SpaceX's plan to colonize Mars, explained
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- Elon Musk gave the biggest talk of his life in Guadalajara, Mexico, where he detailed his plans to set up a self-sustaining colony of 1 million people on Mars. He knows the rockets and spaceships he wants to build, but many questions still need to be answered if he wants to pull off such an ambitious feat. The Verge's Loren Grush breaks down some of the challenges with input from Bill Nye (CEO of The Planetary Society) and Will Pomerantz (VP Special Projects, Virgin Galactic).
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"People Who Say It Cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt Those Who Are Doing It."
If its not proven so"*
bait clicker Well said anything is possible
@@masterjay2173 very well said; what's "impossible" today, may be child's play in the future, even if it takes a million years. Today, children light a room with a flick of a switch, not a fire that had to be made from scratch, 45,000 years ago, to light a cave.
If done today why not tomorrow...🎅🎅🎅we're exited on nexr journey...Shalom
The Biosphere projects done a few years ago failed miserably several times. If a self sustaining Biosphere failed on Earth, anything put together on Mars as self sustaining will fail also. This is just a delusional pipedream.
"The ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world are the ones who do" ~ Albert Einstein
"Discretion is the better part of valor." -- think about that quote too in deciding whether Musk is a visionary or a huckster promoting himself.
I think thats from Steve Job
That's job's line. I'll show you the clip of him saying that. He didn't quote anyone then
It’s E=MC2
-Steve Jobs
Had the Soviets gone to the moon first, NASA would have been to Mars decades ago...
RoyaCanadianInfantry SO F****** TRUE!!
@Mike Jones yeap
Correct! It's just human nature.
RoyaCanadianInfantry I’m guessing nasa just wants to play “the slower you go the faster you win”
so in essence, the reason we aren't on mars yet, is because the Nk-33 engines kept exploding
the motive of colonization of Mars is not to just to live there, its to dig out resources and explore other planets from mars as starting point..like reaching out to titan from mars would be easier once there is a colony on mars and we have extracted resources for further space exploration ...and this process will keep repeating ..but earth will always be our home planet
SID Then after that, we go to other solar systems with potential exoplanets we have previously discovered, with TESS or Kepler?
before i even bother watching the video, i just want to say thank you The Verge for asking an actual good question during the Q&A!
THIS!
Ikr
Colonizing Mars is a waste of time. The moon should be industrialized first, even if you had to use robots, then you can build really big.
china has a project to collect the He-3 on the moon
The moon isn't as easy to terraform as mars...
Mars has water, better resources and an actual atmosphere to keep oxygen in. The moon lacks all 3 of those...
If anyone can do it, it's Elon.
yes... he is a true businessman!
a true smart business man
Save us, Elon!
Elon isnt really a businessman, yes he is the CEO of several companies but he is an engineer and visionary firstly.
LOL Elon is the biggest scam artist. He's getting sucker investors to pour billions into this project that will never happen.
How we will get there: SpaceX' work
How we will live there: Nasa's work
Niels Deckmyn Cleaning our air and lands, and in general improving THIS planet, is easier and more cost- effective, that’s why most scientists, including those at NASA, prefer sending probes instead of manned ships to space
MrBlaoblao passion breeds talent and innovation. Thankfully people have the choice to decide where their energy is to be spent and not on a singular issue decided by one individual.
Go to hell with nasa
If we keep on discussing and do nothing, we will never colonize or explore anything, we need people like elon, its dangerous but i am ready to go there, if i am given a chance.
Everyone wants to go but we're not among the ones selected even Congress doesn't approve for everyone because it's not for everyone
Momoiro Umeko! By 2050 over 1 million people are going to live on mars so you should probably prepare and get lucky enough
@@cloroxbleach7377 that's quite optimistic there.... Altho who knows...
@@leaveme3559 i mean we already have done things that sounded inpossible so yeah
@@mrsandman4997 yeah maybe.... But I would be like 50 years old lol
5:21 Who said we had to launch all 26 months? He did say to bring a lot of people, but he never said to bring them all at the same time..
He did actually say that eventually we'd be looking at launching thousands of spacecraft per transit window period, which means when the window is closed you launch ships into Earth orbit and refuel them one at a time, then they'd all burn for Mars once the window opened. That's not going to happen for a while though, Elon said that at first only a few ships would be able to go per launch window, and that it would take decades to ramp up the launch rate and number of ships enough to get thousands of people onto Mars per transit window.
We kind of have to. The launch window for Mars only occurs every 26 months.
The launch windows occurs every 26 month. The actual window is a few weeks. Pretty insane.
I just hope they don't try to solve the energy problem on mars by making a portal to hell in order to harness it's energy.
Yea, we'd be DOOMED. haha
what's a 'portal to hell'?
Maybe a black hole?
I've played Dead Space, if they find an ancient alien relic they'd better leave it the hell alone
in dead space the original marker that the red ones are copies of came with the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs and was recovered from the gulf of mexico
3:15 "There's nothing to drink in Antarctica" - Well most of the world's drinking water is there.
"There's nothing to eat" - Well, it's home to birds, whales, seals, fish and crustaceans.
His trying to say it's hard to survive their but still doesn't change the fact that mars is gonna be hard to colonize. Why can't they wait till terraformation.
I've seem large cities, towns and villages of Tiny people on Mars, Have pics to proove it, What do they eat??? thousands of them...I don't know!!! they are but 1-2 inches tall, very humanoid!! I wonder if food is grown is some of the larger buildings? Underground? Venus grows a very tall like 9 feet tall weed, and it grows everywhere!! is it a food, don't think so, but the people look healthy!!
@@accurategamer7085 they can send 1000 rail guns
Me on Mars texting my friend: What yall doing over there?
My friend on earth: Just breathing this fresh earthly air. You?
Then playing together on a marsian server, revenge!
Elon musk is honestly a genius and a pioneer of our future
One hell of a guy!!! But the sad truth is Elon will probably die with a legacy just like Nikola Tesla, the guy who created the blueprints for an amazing future but someone else 100 years from now will make it a normality and get most the credit.
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No way 1000s of people are moving to Mars in this century, it sounds great and adventurous but soon as people see the videos of how living on Mars really is after that first ship lands, people are going to say "HELL NO, I love my blue sky and my green trees".
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Probably 60-80 out of the 100 will be coming back on that first return ship.
Are you joking? Everyone knows who Elon is thanks to the internet, its impossible for his legacy to die
FaceClef You are clearly lost if you think it's impossible for his legacy to die. Elon as of today has not changed the world enough for the average person to know who he is. He has great ambitions to change the world and human life forever but until he accomplish these goals his legacy is up in the air. It happens to most Geniuses, they do all the work only for some "Major Company" to take all the credit and people forget who started it all (Nikola Tesla).
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But the truth is the majority of people in the world do not know who Elon Musk is, You're thinking like an enthusiast, common people just know the car when they see it on the street. Not the person who created it.
Vertical Toasted and only ignorant people think that things won't get buried in the internet smh. Over a billion websites have been created to date Genius. Please don't try to sound intelligent because you are not as smart as you think.
`musk' is a fraud and you are not brain-dead you are hired by `musk' to plant falsehoods in people's minds
I suggest to make a *self-sustaining* moon base first. Habitable domes, indoor farms, permanent settlement, etc. We develop and polish technologies which can be used on mars. Meanwhile we still try to find signs of life on mars without contamination.
Aakash Kalaria the problem with that is there would be no benefit on building a moon base except for a few minor things, though it's a cool idea
No benefits of a moon base? We could mine for resources, and we could build a launch pad. Launching a spacecraft on Earth is inefficient because of the atmosphere. But on the Moon there is no atmosphere. You do the math.
+Anonymous1A4 exactly what I was saying ! I agree
Devious, you cant generate fuel on the moon and there are no resources for us to obtain there. Launching spacecraft from earth isn't more expensive because of gravity, its because of our atmosphere (air resistance) so mars is still going to be easy to launch from. The lower gravity just means it will put more strain on the human body. Here's the most important reason which alone is a good enough reason not to colonize the moon: It has no water. You wont get a self-sustaining colony if you need to ship water in (which would cost ALLOT). Mars has an incredible amount of ice and it is easy to access. Mars also has resources to produce fuel so it wont be a one way trip. It also, as Elon said, would eventually be somewhere you could refuel from before going even further (to a moon of another planet in the solar system perhaps). The main thing that this video did not mention and that Anonymous1A4 obviously didnt know, is that it isn't a one way trip to mars(there was a good reason for generating fuel from the planet). Ever two years earth and mars get relatively close together at which point rockets will be sent back and forth. The rockets are reusable and they return to earth to be launched again 2 years later. Elon said that if you live on mars and want to return, you can get on the next rocket back to earth.
+Jermaine Jackson When I said gravity I was implying the earths atmosphere. Moon doesn't have a atmosphere, that's why I brought my idea about building a launch pad on the moon, and I've heard there is ice on the north of the moon, need to check on my research, if I'm wrong then my bad. But if there isn't water or resources on the moon, we could mine asteroids for ice and materials. And I've read somewhere that there are materials on the moon for us to use.
It seems like humans will eventually colonize planet after planet and start to evolve into different species over time due to physical isolation. Next thing you know some of our distant descendants will look like Star Trek aliens.
wrong we are biological and cant live off earth
Ostpreussen
That's true, and that's why we have sustainable space suits and etc to help us live outside of earth. Overtime those who live in that isolated population will pass on their genes to one generation, and another, and slowly they'll all have different attributes than us Humans on earth. Evolving doesnt take 25 years. It takes decades and decades. Those going to mars are going to live there for decades. Infact, this is already seen in isolated populations ON EARTH. For example, theres this tribe where they've gained an trait where they can see underwater with a different eyelid or etc.
That tribe sounds so cool I had to Google search for them. This is what I found on the tribe from BBC: "Deep in the island archipelagos on the Andaman Sea, and along the west coast of Thailand live small tribes called the Moken people, also known as sea-nomads. Their children spend much of their day in the sea, diving for food. They are uniquely adapted to this job - because they can see underwater."
Its amazing, what elon is hoping for
It's more likely AI would be the next Human descendant.
If I had the money I'd definitely want to be a pioneer on Mars. I'm sure whatever work I'd find myself doing there would beat the hell out of any regular 9 to 5 on Earth.
Ha! You're a dupe. Work there would be so tedious, repetitious and boring, you'd fry your brain in 2 weeks. I mean, like what is there to do there??
Psych Man maybe, but you would be on MARS. A different planet! I think that would be enough to keep me going.
I would eat Mars Bars.
😀😀
Psych Man sounds like my job and where I currently live. So what's the difference.
Based on followup questions, the crowd was, quite literally, insane.
Not you, Loren.
sparkss4 Loren was pretty much the only one asking smart questions.
Funny or die and that guy from the burning man. where are all this journalist for space magazines or podcasts.
I watched it live and she introduced herself before asking the question, so yea was definitely Loren
+Fr0m4G3 do you have a time stamp of when the question was?
legendp2011 I don't
Musk said a 1000 fully-fulled ships can be parked in orbit awaiting the launch window. Then it's just a matter of getting the people into orbit and transferred to the ships as the launch window approaches. Then they would all launch at the same time. Not quite as bad a launching 1000 ships and getting them fully-fulled during the launch window.
I guess they can use multiple rockets.
My question is, if the rocket got broken, or worst, if the rocket killed one of those 1000 ships, what then?
That's won't happen in our lifetime lol, Maybe 100-200 years from now. Efficiency has to be 99.9999% for people to trust even 100 ships being launch back to back and we are no where near that level.
Lucas Santos I'm more curious about the people already in the space. Come back?
This video is just bad physics.
First of all accelerating to the speed such that the trip taken will be 80 days is not insanely hard. Currently we use a low energy transfer burn that takes 6 months but there are much faster orbital transfers that take more fuel. Yes it is considerably more fuel but these transfers are a completely different kind of orbital maneuver. To give you an idea the typical transfer burn (time engines are activated) to Mars lasts around 20 minutes. To reach an velocity that would make the trip 80 days we would need to burn a little over 2 hours. Yes a big difference. But plausible in the next few decades given the rate at which we are advancing with material science.
Also as the burn is longer the launch window is bigger. Why? The current low energy transfer goes in a large circle where Mars has to be in a certain location for you to intercept Mars's sphere of influence. But with better engines, ones that can make the trip in 80 days you have much more freedom to "aim" the ship. What do I mean by this?
Imagine you fire your engine for half the day. Well then you have escaped the sun's orbit and you heading in a straight line out of the solar system. As you burn less and less that orbit path gets less straight and more curvy. Now note that if we had infinite fuel we could point at any direction and reach that destination by traveling in a straight path without even worrying about a launch window! But we currently don't and we travel to Mars in a spiral and have to predict exactly where Mars will be at the end of our sprial.
In other words, the more circular your path through the solar system is the smaller the launch window while the more direct your path is the larger the launch window. In fact with such a direct path that it takes 80 days to reach the destination the launch window should be anytime Mars is in the same general area of Earth, which is like half of the year.
In other words the people at The Verge have no concept of realistic orbital physics and they need to at least take an introductory college physics course or its high school equivalent if they would like to discuss this kind of stuff with validity.
Your view of technology is so misguided for this type of conversation.. Research a bit on exponential growths technologies , then you will see the eveidence , and have a more educated conversation on the matter instead of throwing 100-200 years...
Is there WiFi
That should be our prime focus
It should be or else I am not signing up.
There's significant time lag between Earth and Mars, real time communication is impossible. A Mars colony would have it's own local wifi provided by new orbiting satellites and a few transmission towers while communication with Earth would be done using large data volume transmissions probably delivered by powerful communications lasers.
For any servers on earth the lag would be enormous, as mars can be 4-20 light minutes away so lag/latency would also be at least 4 - 20 minutes. And that is on a perfect vacuum environment, dust storms are common on mars and after that signal needs to penetrate earth's atmosphere so it's very likely that the connection would be choppy also.
Yes, he did forget to mention all the risks of going to mars, but he is literally the only person willing to, and actually trying to, get to mars. Eventually we are going to have to colonize other planets. If he is the only one willing to take the risks than so be it
So Elon will be on the first ship to Mars? or is it an excuse for him to mine asteroids and murder a million people on mars?
@@voidremoved How would murdering his Martian colonists benefit him in any way? Let's pretend Elon wants Mars for the money (even though everyone agrees it's a money sink) and somehow owns the entire planet (even though you can't own planets). So Elon has a million people on Mars, which in your scenario he now owns. Mars would be one of the most powerful nations in the solar system because of it's easy access to space, low gravity well, and super well educated population (mostly still scientists and engineers from Earth).
In what god damned universe does Elon go mad and murder everyone? Why?
@@polygondwanaland8390 Maybe he doesnt want it for money maybe he just wants it for the cred, to be the king of Mars
When eventually? What are you talking about? The world is not ending tomorrow or any times soon if by eventually you mean in a few hundred to thousands of years ok but what's the rush there. there'll be plenty more smarter than musk in the future to figure that out
Really?? Colonize other planets🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Even this seems more feasible than Trump's plan of building a wall
And much more useful
5:05 she clearly didn't listen fully to what Elon said, He said that yes, he envisions thousands of ships traveling to and from mars, but it could take 40-100 years to accomplish this goal, by which time there would be a decent size colony on mars and possibly not even travel to Mars, but from mars as well.
SpaceX : We will go to mars
Nasa : lt's not possible
SpaceX : No it's necessary
🚀
Why thou?
THIS IS NO TIME FOR CAUTION
@@masonmtb7 come on tars
Come on tars
I'm poor, but I would endorse missions to Mars on Kickstarter!
Honestly, even if the first Mars crew completely disintegrates or suffocates, there will still be people lining up to colonize Mars.
Hell yeah. I'd be in.
I'm in
I think Elon Musk is an alien from Mars, and want to go back to his home planet, and the million people is just his food when he gets there.
XD
Lol
and you're also dumb ;)
Elon is gonna make Mars great again.
I wouldn't be surprised if by tomorrow you'd have thousands CZcams folowers saying that you're right and that Elon is a Reptilion. 😁
5:45 lol sure.... also congrats to bob and Douge for being part of the crew dragon mission 🥳
Ah yes, Douge Hurley
Bill Nye is the best counter expert you could find?? Wow.
1 million people living on mars by 2070? that's insane
Weloc yeah that’s bullshit
Insane today. Perhaps not as insane in 20-30 years.
He's insanely accomplished in this area and has spent years thinking about the Mars project and discussing it with world leading experts, but I guess it's all bullshit because some anonymous dude on youtube (who may or may not live in his mom's basement playing call of duty all day) is saying it's insane.
Hm or maybe that was a positive ”insane”, like ”that's sick, i love it”.
What about the people who end up being born on Mars. I think it's likely that when they hear and discover about the greatness of their home planet Earth they will want to come back. Would be like moving from Antarctica to California.
am i the only one that is too excited about this. idk it feels too bold almost daunting
worst case scenario:
we leave some junk on mars and a few astronauts remain trapped (if methane can't be produced) for a period of time until (hopefully) we'll make a way to get them out of there.
best case scenario:
physicians overcome the greatest physical challenge to take place yet and we get to colonize a planet that shouldn't be colonized.
i don't see how "God" has a part in this, but the idea was that we should at least colonize the moon, something that is across the street from earth, which doesn't have any atmosphere that would interfere with the landing , is made of dust, like mars and wouldn't take months to get any sort of reply back to earth. EDIT: stop upvoting your comments.
@Nimadan No magnetosphere, irradiated with cosmic rays, no water, very low air pressure, extreme temperature shifts, no life, planet wide sand storms moving over 200 kilometers per hour, an easy target for meteorites, what part of this sounds like it should be habitable? The cosmic ray radiation alone means a Martian base needs to be thick metal or under ground.
Iack Data from Mars takes 14 minutes to reach Earth, my friend
@@indridcold8433 What's wrong with living underground? There's towns in Australia that exist mostly underground. Montreal has an entire second city underground. Living underground solves the vast majority of the problems you brought up, and is probably the easiest part of colonizing Mars.
How do you get an estimate from "eventually" and "If done fast enough..."?
he left out the part of how people survive? of course, he said that he was just building the transportation system. why expect him to solve all of the problems with a new endeavor? way to go, sitting back, and wait for someone to do everything for you. there are other smart people out there, and he is counting on that.
most trips to mars take 6 months... really? i guess it's a new system, then, so why would it be the same? doing the math will give a better result than just saying it's not realistic because the current system can't do it.
i guess that's the problem with being a trailblazer, and doing something new. ..
curious though, that she accepts the rocket landing as just another signature move. she probably would have criticized it as being unrealistic a year ago. you would think the verge could find some more educated people with open minds, and some expertise. i guess they are all busy building space hardware.
well said dude.
1: They'll build a self-sustaining colony there, with buried habitats, greenhouses, power plants, etc.
2: The ITS takes 150 days initially, but may go down to 80 days if you go at the same time, and even possibly as little as 30 days. 6-9 months are for a hohmann transfer, which is a low-energy transfer orbit.
When she said, "getting to such a speed will need a lot of energy, and then a lot of energy to brake." she's referring to the maneuver. If you happen to study orbital mechanics, you would know that she has a point. Cutting down the travel time to 80 days to Mars would require you to spend fuel unnecessarily as to reduce the time. The spaceship might just be able to intercept Jupiter with that amount of delta-V used.
That's the whole point of the architecture having massive amount of fuel at the right place. LEO refuel with 3-5 tankers each capable of carrying 300 metric tons of fuel to orbit. Mars surface refuel with ISRU The spaceship have enough delta- V to go to Jupiter.
Obviously we don't know the exact specs of the craft (ISP, etc. ) as the engines haven't been fully developed, and neither has the craft, using the numbers given on Elon's presentation, the transporter has a Delta V of 9611.94 m/s, and using a LEO to Jupiter Flyby Hohmann transfer, getting to Jupiter (and flying by it) is 8.8 km/s at a minimum. But more to the point, Getting the most efficient hohmann transfer to mars takes 1.52 km/s of Delta V, I'm not sure how much extra they'll need to insert into a capture orbit (Unless they're aerobraking?) land, then take off, and get back to Earth, but it seems like they might have some room for a little extra acceleration, but, 80 days sounds a bit much...
Though, I'm a random internet person, so...
There's no way for the technology necessary for colonizing mars to be developed if we don't go there. Pioneers who are willing to risk their lives are necessary, as they've always been. This is the new crossing of the Atlantic. Most people told Magellan and Columbus they were crazy.
Can anyone explain what the launch window that she just said means??? is it kinda certain length of time we can launch a spacecraft to certain planet? So does it vary depending on which planet we go to?
sounds like the making of Doom series
This endeavour has got to be approached with a balance of realism, but also optimism. Colonizing mars is about the greatest challenge anyone can ask for. It sets a clear goal to work forward to. While accepting the risks that come with it. Problems are there to be solved. Failure exists to learn from. Trial and error.
Conquer it, and you'll have given the world a whole new future and a wide range of possibilities. The accomplishment by itself is a gamechanger and sets us on a course of being a spacefaring species. Something most of us probably think about when looking up at the night sky...
It would be tragic if people just give up out of pessimism and cynicism. That's _not_ us.
hey Loren Grush, thanks for asking the only good question at the presentation.
I would love to see an updated response to this, given recent success in reusing rockets and landings.
Can this methane that can be made on mars, be used to power vehicles and machinery on mars also, if so, silos can also be put on mars to store the methane on mars for later multiple use ?
they should make a movie bout it first
Nope, stop watching movies and start creating. We need more scientist and engineers to solve this problem. Let's explore Space for real damnit, and stop creating space operas in Hollywood basements.
Its already made, I think he meant to say that lol :D
+Pedjo09 what is it called?
+touchtapgo movies are a great way of research
the martian :D
Mars gravity is fine for people - there are no problems. That problem is blown WAY out of proportion. Will you lose bone density and muscle mass? Of course you will. Right up until your body is adapted to 33% Earth's gravity. There isn't a problem with having less muscle mass and bone density if the gravity is lower. It only causes issue if you come back to Earth.
The radiation thing is way overblown too - Musk is absolutely right about that.
excersises made mandatory would help things too :)
Apparently both you and Elon do not understand the importance of a liquid molten core in a planet to create a magnetic field to divert ionized particles. Radiation is important, and is deadly to our species.
John Hansknecht yeah I heard about the magnetic field (or lack there of) & how without it radiation is constant & an atmosphere is unable to stay due to solar wind etc...
Yes, and people say "solar wind" as if it is some gentle breeze, but it is a violent stream of charged particles, protons and electrons, that are quite energetic and at super high velocity. When we see the aurora glowing in the sky, it is those particles bending around our magnetic pole. Without our magnetic pole, no life could survive here.
John Hansknecht - Maybe we should manipulate a comet or two to impact Mars First, to add mass and to bring water there. If we learned to do this we would also learn what we need to, to be able to protect the earth from approaching bodies at the earth. Sounds like a job for the Space Force.
Mars? What's wrong with Earth? Earth is our home
it's amazing how they've used reusable parts
For gods sake Mars' gravity is fine! 40% gravity is fun and healthy. Stop worrying about it.
I'd move to Mars with Loren.
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Microfracture vibration beds for countering body mass loss in microgravity
I want to be charge of populating Mars with Loren
Underrated comment she’s an angel.
Space X seem to have made the leap from overly ambitious to outright unrealistic. Ffs they have a shaky record on just sending unmanned craft into low orbit.
Well if we start with the assumption that they won't survive the trip to Mars, then yeah, we're getting closer to reality lol.
The only question is at what point during their journey to Mars will they die, my money is on the launch pad. It'll be the second fueling disaster in 50 years, they already had the first a couple weeks back.
The fueling is done before the crew (or passengers) enter the vehicle. However, they would need one helluva launch escape system for that vehicle.
If one launch was fatal, it could cast doubt on the program going forward.
It's pessimism like these that halts progress. Imagine if Albert Einstein thought like you did, the light bulb would never have been invented. What was it? 1000 failed attempts? People have this view that failure is bad, it isn't.
Michael Rosche
I'm not saying to not try, just set reasonable goals. If things are pushed too far, quality and safety may be compromised. While failure (IMO) is necessary for success, some failures cost lives.
Michael Rosche
Not all ideas are born equally.
Say for example if Elon Musk proposed we start star lifting material straight from the sun so we can do X Y or Z, not even all the enthusiasm in the world will help an ill conceived idea become any more feasible, nor will my calling a bad idea a bad idea impact it.
A couple years ago I was called a contrarian asshole for calling Mars One a scam, this time however I hope I'm wrong about SpaceX (but I'm not going to hold my breath, not by a long shot).
A realist is a pessimist in the eyes of an optimist.
What happened to the ion drive they proposed 10 years ago?
Regarding the launch window. I think it's reasonable to foresee scores of ships taking off within the window.
I'm sick of seeing Bill Nye's ugly mug on video, spouting his non-expertise. People do realize he's just an actor/former mechanical engineer, with an honorary degree in science.
Wait a minute whenever I was a kid he was the man to listen to and watch you know I mean
he is an absolute fraud, like his brother Al Gore....
Yes im glad some people are pointing out this is not a scientist, this is a standup comedian who has never used his bachelors in mechanical engineering in an actual job.
You do realize Elon is no genius scientist either? or rocket scientist? These Elon fanboys are cancer
Don't like Elon much either but at least he doesn't talk like he is the spokesman for all science and that he is the messenger of indisputable facts that that the entire scientific community agree on and that we should talk about JAILTIME for people who disagree with his indisputable facts.
I've been a ardent supporter of manned spaceflight since I was a kid, and would love to see humans expand into space. That said, Musk's dream is not going to take place; nor is NASA going to place humans on Mars either. From a technological standpoint, it's doable, but real-world considerations are going to stop this effort in its tracks. People just aren't taking into account the crises that will be clobbering humanity within the next 15-40 years. Hell, all too many are not even aware of them. They alone are going to prevent public funding of NASA missions to Mars. Musk see these issues (they're the driving force behind his desire to place a colony on Mars). Unfortunately, the technology is cutting edge and the potential for disaster is enormous- far great than the risks incurred in manned missions to the moon- and private industry would be fortunate just to survive even one such disaster. The sober truth is that man will require a succession of minor miracles if we are to make it to the end of the 21st century without destroying our environment either through climate change or a major nuclear exchange.
Finally...I was looking for a video on Mars that talked about microgravity. Thanks! 😊
Just one thing, this mars colonie, would it be somewhat like a SpaceX state (like the east India company or the Hudsonbay Company in history) or would it be like an overseas Terretory of the US or would it be under the controle of the UN?
He compares it to building the Union Pacific Railroad. The main difference being that there's an obvious payoff in being able to move people and resources throughout the Western United States. What does Mars offer?
A base for further exploring of the universe. There are millions of stars and planets that host more material that we could ever have on earth! things like diamonds and so is rare on earth but common in space.
The same resources we have here... and the room to spread out to make use of it with the least amount of difficulty as any other location in the solar system. Oh and no government to oppress you.
Mars can offer us resources, science, explorers and just the unknown. The cost of sending it home is also a lot cheaper than the other way around when the infrastructure first is established.
I think the 2 biggest things Mars has to offer are a greater chance of survival for the human race, and on a more induvidual level, challenge. Not competetive challenge but coöperative challenge to survive and build a self sustaining colony on another planet.
Perhaps the most important reason for us to be a multi-planet species is the preservation of our species. Life on earth can end in many disastrous ways, we need to start taking steps in terraforming mars. We need to ensure the long-term continuation of our species and our earthly evolutionary branch.
We possess thousands of nuclear warheads capable of occasioning an existential catastrophe, and we are at the liberty of a fairly fragile global ecosystem with limited resources. Beyond that, our being confined to this single planet means that a single asteroid collision or some other unforeseen cataclysmic event could wipe out our entire species and potentially all intelligent life on Earth.
We have a serious existential risk. I think those that oppose Musk's view on being a multi-planetary species just don't understand how a sentient species should evolve in our cosmos. Think of that for a moment: Trillions, quadrillions of potential human and post-human beings will never taste this existence unless we ensure the continuation of our evolutionary branch.
Don’t get me wrong: I think it is tremendously important for us to address global poverty, the refugee crisis, human trafficking/slavery, industrial farming, various environmental crises, etc. But those issues won’t matter at all if all intelligent life in the biosphere is obliterated.
On the website you guys said some pretty "silly" things i would like to address:
1. Radiation: Musk just said the truth however the media still concerned about it, i guess people forgot to look at the scientific data about the radiation doses on Mars and during the travel, it is definitely NOT deadly or even too dangerous, there may be uncommon events of problems because of that but there is no point on wanting SpaceX to develop a luxury shield against radation, i mean... are you guys really concerned about the radiation risk compared to the infinitely higher risks of the travel itself?
2. "but killing people either on the way to Mars or once they get there will defeat the entire purpose of creating a colony in the first place. "
Really? I guess everyone knows how rocketry works and that it is just impossible to guarantee safety, there is no point on avoiding going to Mars forever since we will never achieve 100% safety for obvious reasons, we need to test on practice to increase safety, and the first ones WILL take more risks, there is no way around it, if we keep thinking on risks there would be a lot of things that wouldn't even exist today since on beginning someone took these risks, everything we do in life have a risk, i don't like when people keep talking about risks, everyone working on that are creating the most safe architecture possible to ensure the maximum safety, the question is that "maximum safety" on space exploration is much higher than any other area, and that is called "reality".
3. Habitats: Musk said crearly that ultimately it would requires the government and/or other companies and agencies to work together, so there is your answer, some company will develop these, maybe SpaceX will be able to do so alone but that way you would be pushing them too far. About the "survival" part, it doesnt need any habitat at all, though that would kill the colonization part, the spaceship is giant and can have everything needed for survival. If you ask me, isn't Boeing developed pretty interesting space habitats (already successful on orbit) ? That's one option.
4. Microgravity: the trip would take from 80 to 150 days, which is less than the ISS astronauts take, meaning that although it COULD bring problems, is nothing new. and once on Mars there will be gravity to help with that, it's true that we don't know if 0.38g is enough, but it's certainly better than microgravity and people keep forgeting that this issue has no fix, Mars is the only planet that could be properly colonized on the solar system, and that is it's gravity, there's no way around it, doesn't matter what it may cause since there is no other option, you can't change a planet's gravity. Unless you want to saty forever on Earth, just accept these risks.
5. About preventing contamination: there is no much to say here, even if there is not any colonization effort, the rovers can't guarantee 100% cleaness and we still sent them... Mars has a pretty hard atmosphere and climate, it is VERY unlikely any life on Earth could survive there, i don't see the point of "preventing" it since it is not possible at all and we are already taking the risks with the rovers.
6. About the "short" time of the travel he mentioned: people are comparing with the current timeframe of 6-9 months of NASA's missions, yes... but we are talking about a completely new spaceship, much more powerful, so there is no room for that comparison, and it will cut the travel just by 2 times, not that much, it still requires 3 to 5 months, it is not that impressive at all.
7. SpaceX is giving us the TRANSPORT system, we should not expect them to build everything is needed, even if they actually do everything, we should not expect that, we need cooperation with other companies as musk said.
Thank you and sorry, it is just that i am sick of hearing the same thing over and over again on media, things that are not a problem at all and the fear for taking risks even if you know there is the best engineer working together to ensure it is safe. It is quite simple just as Musk said: the first ones must be ready to die, not because they will die, just that they could be aware of how hard and risky it is.
3:17, Well you see if we get a mars colony we can use that as a fueling outpost for further space exploration, making another step much easier.
Why not make a ferry that stays in space and just loops between earth and mars or to the moon? It could be automated to avoid crew radiation exposure. The trick would be the refueling and cargo/people transfers.
that will be on the cards not too far down the track.
In Elon We Trust
If Elon need some people on Mars I'll be available
See yah 2024
I prefer a Mars cycler approach, with multiple O'Neill type colonies at different points in the orbit to and from Mars. That would also provide support for any colonies on or around Mars.
Name of the anchor please?
"You can't breathe everybody, that's serious." Lmao, I love Bill Nye.
I like her. And I want to be adopted by Elon Musk.
Nice that you were there
be a good start I think
How many groups of settlers died during the early colonization of North America?
"We don't do these things because they are easy, we do them because they are hard!"
Bill Nye? The guy has zero credibility.
but this celebrity elon has?
Hey hey hey... take it easy on Bill Nye. He's a science guy you know 😉
@@good_teanice_house6789 he's an engineer
Credibility among aerospace community that needless of your opinion
Yea because he doesn't know a thing
Do part 2
I think there would need to be some sort of compulsory physical exercise program to ensure the inhabitants weren't severely weakened. Maybe work it into the school system that develops there.
Does The Verge have anyone smarter to talk about things?
Shibumi Bill Nye seems to be the smartest lol and i am disappointed
Viet Do Actually I was referring to the Verge chick, not the guest commentator... : )
They should call that trainor from history channel to talk about his thing 😂😅
Explaining highly technical things in a way that non-technical people can understand is a skill, don't confuse it with not being smart.
KiaranScath fools belive this ,sheeps worship it , and idiots pay for it , long live the human race.
Looks like a Doraemon episode come alive
How many days it take to reach on mars
All of these video's have other story's. Someone help me and say why, i dont get it.
i like how they brang bill into it (bill nye the science guy) bill bill bill bill
I get why you're pointing out that Musk didn't tell us how people are actually going to survive there. But I don't think it's particularly fair to say that. Musk and his team is working on how to get to a planet, and other teams should work on setting up an environment on another planet.
We shouldn't expect SpaceX to do everything about the idea of colonizing Mars.
We shouldn't expect Space X to do everything, but the problem is...they put themselves in that position for now. Nobody else thinks colonizing Mars is even possible. A growing number of people don't even think anyone has been to space! However, if Space X opens the door to colonization, I'm sure other companies will join them if they see a profit to be made. I'm also sure Space X will subcontract companies to work problems Space X may not want to work for whatever reason.
its and open market and space X is doing so much progress that I'm getting my hopes up for seeing amazing things before i die.
I would hope spacex can team up with the gateway foundation, might set the time line back a few years, but it would answer some of the questions about long term low gravity and living in confined space with a limited number of people.
I want to explore Uranus!
Elon Musk is my idol we need more people like him :)
Let's be honest, musk is a bit delusional.
But I like his passion
Delusional at first, but his delusions become reality.
Two year update: the madman is actually building the rockets!
totally delusional
@@silverdragon710 see you in another two years lmao
polygondwanaland maybe
How much will be the trip from Earth to Mars? The 1st class please. Lamo
thanks for this video. Greetings from The Netherlands.
I truely believe our future great great grandchildren will be living in Mars. 🧐
Anyone remember Virgin Galactic? That isn't really working out all that well is it?
They're almost done rebuilding the new ship.
You mean building. Difficult to rebuild something that didn't exist before.
So yeah, it is kinda working out.
they are in the business of making fancy video's on youtube, didn't you know that?
Isn't that being built by scaled composites? Or am I thinking of something else?
6:20 Did Elon really put a south park reference in his presentation? i like
We'd be better off with O'Neil type cylinder colonies orbiting mars....but if we are gonna construct such mega structures, do it first in the Earth-Luna Lagrange points.
“We must revive earth before we conquer and colonize Mars
thomas od05 Too many people on this planet to halt the damage , we can slowly slow down the devastation , we could try to fix some of the problems but we also need another focus , make more protected areas , limit pollution , increase re-cycling by 200% , make massive clean up of our oceans above all lower plastic production by 500% , and make our population more sustainable . The whole planet , every government has to get on board with this , we need new focus to get our minds off of the struggle to do all of the above . MARS is a good focus.
Space x and the ideas of Elon Musk and the likes of Yuri Milner are incredibly important to the continued survival of our species. Even though we have many different cultures, nationalities, religions and races that divide, we are, at the end of the day, we are all humans and to some within this community, Terrans living on the planet "Terra" the Latin word for Earth.
Yo Terra is the Portuguese name for Earth as well
After the first stage landing they wont reuse it immediately I'm sure.maybe they keep it for a while and reuse it afterwards.
Give me the sequence and the complete plan that could be assured and verified at least through simulation. Complete requirements to plan to return alternative paths and safer landing etc.
The second best alternative is just a manned mission to Mars without a touchdown except some robots dropoff with a return trip crew. Somewhat like close encounters of the third kind.
@@venkatbabu186 Just do the maths.
The Verge sounds like luddites in this video...
At least. Musk has the drive this lady has given up already
Musk is a pioneer like all the Victorian scientists
Dare to dream
In all fairness to the Antarctica comparison. There was never much intent to really settle the region, however if humans truly wanted/needed to develop the arctic region into something more comfortable then I have no doubt it could be accomplished.
check out VCMD propulsions. we have one.
We're lucky to have a non-fiction Tony Stark. That day isn't far when the earth will have shielding tech to defend asteroids.
Came for the discussion, stayed for the thigh gap 🤤
Bill Nye just said there isn't anything to drink on Antarctica which is completely covered by ice. Perhaps someone should share the recipe for ice with him.
You cant drink the water there smh
@@andrewmcneely9340 maybe they should try boiling it? Bill Nye has gone completely derp. People are going to figure out he's an actor if he isn't careful.
You cant boil salt water even the snow is salt not alot but good amount will dehydrate you even more
@@andrewmcneely9340 The snow falls out of the air after it... Screw it. Go look up 'water cycle' and get back with me.
Why second stage need refueling, shouldn't it already being fueled on earth