I’m only a minute in and man I gotta hand it to you. Your voice is so clear, well spoken and no annoying music playing during your explanation. I quit watching certain videos because I can’t hear them or they wander around and make it so irritating. Good job my friend, so far so good.
When my Surround System was a 5.1 I had dual-baffle surrounds and loved them. When I upgraded to a 7.2.4 system the surrounds aimed the sound in directions I didn't care for. I swapped them out for mono-poles and noticed a major improvement! My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the back wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
I recently switched from bipole to monopole for my surround rears. I'm a bit sorry I did. Yes, for precise localization, the monopole is better. However, I find that localized sounds are much less common than music or ambient effects. So, yes, for the rare localized sound, the monopole is better. But, for the more common atmospheric sound, the bipole was better (IMHO).
Weird thing about surrounds is they work so well that sometimes I think someone is in my house before I realize the sound is coming from my surrounds. Lol
In my 7.2.4 Home Cinema I prefer traditional surround speakers for Atmos movies and surround games to be able to precisely localize the sounds. I don't get the idea of diffusing the sound on modern Atmos soundtracks. Anyway, it's a pleasure to watch your videos, your voice always makes them very relaxing 🙂
Great video. I also have dipole sides in one of my rooms, for the exact reason you mentioned- close proximity of seating to the rear wall. Also, i found bipole to be a very interesting effect for movies where the sound effect is intended to not be localized. Like for example, in Batman begins, there are two scenes that blew me away with bipoles. (1) When Bruce 1st explores the batcave with Alfred, the echo of his speech in the cave is accentuated and very realistic with bipole speakers. (2) When Bruce first takes the black flower at Ras al gul's training and he fights Ras, Ras' voice echoes around the room, making it very hard to tell where his voice comes from, while Bruce tries to find Ras. Very cool effect.
I had Monoprice onwall (direct fire) as my side surround and with about 3ft to either left or side seats it was too much...switched to dipole (Monitor Audio Silver FX) and it is much much better
I just purchased the RP-502S Gen IIs for SBL & SBR. They rock. Love the fact sound is thrown everywhere. I love my current R51m as SR & SL but will be replacing those wit 2 more RP 502's Gen II. Love your channel
I’m not sure if you mentioned it or not, but the Arendal’s can be run in either monopole mode or triaxial mode. Just have to remove the jumper and plug into the lower binding posts and that will disable the side drivers.
Not going to lie, when I first seen your video I had a little confusion on which speaker to put as my surrounds but after watching today’s video I am going to install my Polk audio FXia4 for my rear surrounds.
When ProLogic was out - the 2 back speakers carried the same sound. Dolby advised sound engineers to put indistinct sounds (wind, rain, traffic) to the rear channel and Dipole speakers were popular. When 5.1 came out - things changed. Now sound engineers could send full-range sound to 1 rear speaker. Now Dolby advised direct radiators for the rears so sounds could swirl. Dipole speakers became obsolete when this happened but Dolby just quietly changed their recommendation for rear speakers. Dipoles have no reason to exist in modern home theaters.
Your subscriber from Kenya (🇰🇪), East Africa. Thanks for the explainer, your presentations are always on point, keep it up! I have a 65" Sony Tv - X80L (2023 Model). I am to upgrade to a 9.2/4 channel receiver (looking at Sony STR-AZ3000ES or Denon XR-3800H or Integra DRX-5.4). What is your recommendation on the 5.1.2 speakers configuration for a living room of mixed usage = 11ft x 11ft with an 8.5/9ft ceiling height? Currently I am in a rented apartment and also building a house with the same living room measurements, with an open plan kitchen - US of A plans)! SPEAKER SERIES? 1 Klipsch RP II Centre Channel speaker? 2 Klipsch RP II Towers/FL standing OR Book shelves? (though my preference is the towers/standing, but with small prints, for the aesthetic) 2 Klipsch RP II - Bipole for side or rear surrounds? 2 Klipsch RP II Doly Atmos SA? 1 Subwoofer of Klipsch RP 10" vs 12" OR SVS 10" vs 12" (ported or enclosed) TIA
Hi Kenya! 🇰🇪 I'm so excited for you getting your new setup!!! 😁😁 If you like the Klipsch I would go for them or the JBL HDI line I reviewed them a while back and enjoyed their sound (reviewed here czcams.com/video/CTxnB19CrtA/video.html). 1. I would definitely get a matching set so they will tonally match. I haven't heard the RP series but a lot of people like them. 2. If you are limited in space the bookshelves speaker will be fine. They don't have as much bass as the towers but that will be taken care of by the subwoofers. 3. For the side and rear surrounds I'd go for bookshelf speakers but if you really want Bipoles then put them in the rear. 4. The SAs will work for Atmos, are you planning to attach them to the ceiling? That would be the best experience instead of relying on audio bouncing off. 5. I'd go for two SVS subs versus 1 big, it will yield better bass experience for each seat. I talked about that here: czcams.com/video/cznMbMaj5hU/video.html Hopefully this helps!
I use the Wharfedale DFS Bipole surrounds as the Rear Surrounds L/R, placed a little high on the rear wall in a 7.1 setup and they're amazing, for movies and also for music, especially live/ambient recordings and even watching sports!
Hey, I am also looking to go with this as my sofa is against the back wall and Wharfdale WH-DFS on rear wall in line with front LR is what I am looking for as surrounds in my 5.1 with Q Acoustics 3030i and 3090ci front stage. What are your front speakers?
i orriginally bought SVS Ultra Surround speakers thought they were sold in pairs for $929.00 aparently not ;; very expensive speakers out of my price range so i just purchased Klipsch RP-500SA II 5" + Klipsch RP502SB II Dual hope they work out good job ! thanks
You would probably loose at least some if not all of the directionality of music. So its going to sound different then what you’ve grown accustomed to.
The elephant in the room here is surely that in an Amos/ object based sound system, Dolby-on their website recommends direct firing loud speakers, and presumably the film/movie sound track will have been engineered to be delivered by that type of speaker. I have a thx select Jamo D500 system, which indeed does have indirect side speakers, well i would have if my Onkyo thx receiver had not died due to issues with the soldering of one of the chips inside, but i digress. (Yes, I'm an old coot) :) As for the side speakers possibly sounding "too loud" there are adjustments in the settings to turn the volume down, presumably the auto calibration has miss-judged its closeness to the seating position, and dialled in the sound to loud a volume for that particular speaker. I'm going out on a limb and going to say that you are well aware of the above, but in the interest of brevity left out the information to keep the presentation under 10min. :) Great channel, wish you much success with it.
Thanks! Yes, I mentioned the Dolby recommendations in the other video here: czcams.com/video/2ZRHz_LuXTs/video.html. I agree it could be the system is calibrated incorrectly and therefore the surround is too loud. But remember most calibrations focus on the main listening position, so the surround speaker volume could be perfect for the MLP and a little loud for the person sitting nearest the speaker.
Bipolar/dipole speakers enhanced the ambience but it was harder to localize effects so for Atmos movies with heavy effects I prefer monopoles. But if a movie has chosen to use ambient sound a lot, surrounds win. So what we all should do is spend tons of money and have both a pair monopoles and a pair of bipole/dipole! 😂😂 Just kidding. In my theater I prefer monopoles.
Hey are you using one of those TV stands thats lets you sit the TV on top shelf and still adjust the TV up and down? If so which one are you using? I would love to get my center channel on the higher shelf of my entertainment center just like yours is setup without wall mounting my TV and your setup looks kind of like what Im wanting.
Hi There, I would need your help to set up my Onkyo TX NR 6100 brand new l got it as a gift 4 years ago and never got to use it. Still in the box. I would need your help to set it up with my Bose Acoustimass 3 Series IV Speakers that have both the input that comes from the amp and the output that goes to the cube speakers at the back of the sub. I have two sets of the Bose Acoustimass 3 Series IV Speakers and would like to use the front and rear speaker output of the TX NR 6100 like an integrated amp for playing music as well as watching my cinema. Thank you for your help.
I don’t know your budget but I suggest the KD-51M because it is front ported so you can probably mount them directly to the wall it wouldn’t affect performance. I haven’t try them personally but that is what I suspect.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist most likely I'm going to stick to regular 5.1 and not add atmos , you'd still recommend the 600 ms for rears? The 502s seem better as side surrounds?
@neo4102 Both will work but if you want better directional effects even if you don’t have height speakers installed the bookshelf speakers are a better choice.
Maybe???? I haven't tried it, though. The main reason against it maybe the cabinet design itself may not be conducive to great bass performance but that is just my speculation. If you plan to do this obviously make sure you know how to cap off the wiring, speakers have insulation inside. So if the wiring isn't properly terminated there could be a fire risk. Just be careful.
Hmm, from what I've read, "The Italian Job" is a pretty mediocre release (but a really good movie) from a video and audio standpoint. Maybe not the best disc for testing...?
I’m only a minute in and man I gotta hand it to you. Your voice is so clear, well spoken and no annoying music playing during your explanation. I quit watching certain videos because I can’t hear them or they wander around and make it so irritating. Good job my friend, so far so good.
Thank you 🙏🏾
To be fair I used to play music while talking about a product but I realized how much people dislike it I stopped. 😁
When my Surround System was a 5.1 I had dual-baffle surrounds and loved them. When I upgraded to a 7.2.4 system the surrounds aimed the sound in directions I didn't care for. I swapped them out for mono-poles and noticed a major improvement! My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the back wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
I recently switched from bipole to monopole for my surround rears. I'm a bit sorry I did. Yes, for precise localization, the monopole is better. However, I find that localized sounds are much less common than music or ambient effects. So, yes, for the rare localized sound, the monopole is better. But, for the more common atmospheric sound, the bipole was better (IMHO).
Thats a great point. I also have that experience in some cases.
Weird thing about surrounds is they work so well that sometimes I think someone is in my house before I realize the sound is coming from my surrounds. Lol
😂😂 that does happen!
In my 7.2.4 Home Cinema I prefer traditional surround speakers for Atmos movies and surround games to be able to precisely localize the sounds. I don't get the idea of diffusing the sound on modern Atmos soundtracks. Anyway, it's a pleasure to watch your videos, your voice always makes them very relaxing 🙂
😄😄 thanks
My dream speakers awesome ❤❤
Great video. I also have dipole sides in one of my rooms, for the exact reason you mentioned- close proximity of seating to the rear wall.
Also, i found bipole to be a very interesting effect for movies where the sound effect is intended to not be localized. Like for example, in Batman begins, there are two scenes that blew me away with bipoles. (1) When Bruce 1st explores the batcave with Alfred, the echo of his speech in the cave is accentuated and very realistic with bipole speakers. (2) When Bruce first takes the black flower at Ras al gul's training and he fights Ras, Ras' voice echoes around the room, making it very hard to tell where his voice comes from, while Bruce tries to find Ras. Very cool effect.
I didn’t try that movie, thanks for sharing!
I had Monoprice onwall (direct fire) as my side surround and with about 3ft to either left or side seats it was too much...switched to dipole (Monitor Audio Silver FX) and it is much much better
Thanks for sharing!
Very Informative !
Thanks
I just purchased the RP-502S Gen IIs for SBL & SBR. They rock. Love the fact sound is thrown everywhere. I love my current R51m as SR & SL but will be replacing those wit 2 more RP 502's Gen II. Love your channel
Great to hear you like them! 😁😁
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist I ended up timbre matching. I now have 6 RP-600M II's & RP-504C gen II for center for my 7.2.4. It sounds better
Awesome! Thanks for the update. 😁
@@o.c.g.m9426 should of went all 5 1/4 instead of 6 series that’s what I did 100 percent timbre match
@danemoreno88 downgrading my system from 9.2.6 to 7.1.6
I’m not sure if you mentioned it or not, but the Arendal’s can be run in either monopole mode or triaxial mode. Just have to remove the jumper and plug into the lower binding posts and that will disable the side drivers.
You’re correct on both fronts! 1. If you remove the jumper, it will be monopole. 😀 2. I don’t think I mentioned that! 😏😁😁
I like the content! Great videos as usual bro. Thanks!
Thanks for watching 😁
Totally agree. I use the klipsch THX 8000l S for my sides and rears.
Thanks 🙏🏾
Not going to lie, when I first seen your video I had a little confusion on which speaker to put as my surrounds but after watching today’s video I am going to install my Polk audio FXia4 for my rear surrounds.
I’m glad I was able to help. 😁
When ProLogic was out - the 2 back speakers carried the same sound. Dolby advised sound engineers to put indistinct sounds (wind, rain, traffic) to the rear channel and Dipole speakers were popular. When 5.1 came out - things changed. Now sound engineers could send full-range sound to 1 rear speaker. Now Dolby advised direct radiators for the rears so sounds could swirl. Dipole speakers became obsolete when this happened but Dolby just quietly changed their recommendation for rear speakers. Dipoles have no reason to exist in modern home theaters.
love your content and your persona!
Thank you!!!😁🙏🏾
Super video
Thanks
Your subscriber from Kenya (🇰🇪), East Africa.
Thanks for the explainer, your presentations are always on point, keep it up!
I have a 65" Sony Tv - X80L (2023 Model).
I am to upgrade to a 9.2/4 channel receiver (looking at Sony STR-AZ3000ES or Denon XR-3800H or Integra DRX-5.4).
What is your recommendation on the 5.1.2 speakers configuration for a living room of mixed usage = 11ft x 11ft with an 8.5/9ft ceiling height?
Currently I am in a rented apartment and also building a house with the same living room measurements, with an open plan kitchen - US of A plans)!
SPEAKER SERIES?
1 Klipsch RP II Centre Channel speaker?
2 Klipsch RP II Towers/FL standing OR Book shelves? (though my preference is the towers/standing, but with small prints, for the aesthetic)
2 Klipsch RP II - Bipole for side or rear surrounds?
2 Klipsch RP II Doly Atmos SA?
1 Subwoofer of Klipsch RP 10" vs 12" OR SVS 10" vs 12" (ported or enclosed)
TIA
Hi Kenya! 🇰🇪 I'm so excited for you getting your new setup!!! 😁😁 If you like the Klipsch I would go for them or the JBL HDI line I reviewed them a while back and enjoyed their sound (reviewed here czcams.com/video/CTxnB19CrtA/video.html).
1. I would definitely get a matching set so they will tonally match. I haven't heard the RP series but a lot of people like them.
2. If you are limited in space the bookshelves speaker will be fine. They don't have as much bass as the towers but that will be taken care of by the subwoofers.
3. For the side and rear surrounds I'd go for bookshelf speakers but if you really want Bipoles then put them in the rear.
4. The SAs will work for Atmos, are you planning to attach them to the ceiling? That would be the best experience instead of relying on audio bouncing off.
5. I'd go for two SVS subs versus 1 big, it will yield better bass experience for each seat. I talked about that here: czcams.com/video/cznMbMaj5hU/video.html
Hopefully this helps!
Dolby actually recommends against using dipole/bipole speakers in Atmos setups.
Yep, I mentioned that here: czcams.com/video/2ZRHz_LuXTs/video.html
I think dolby mentioned about dipole and not about bipole.
I use the Wharfedale DFS Bipole surrounds as the Rear Surrounds L/R, placed a little high on the rear wall in a 7.1 setup and they're amazing, for movies and also for music, especially live/ambient recordings and even watching sports!
Nice!!!
Hey, I am also looking to go with this as my sofa is against the back wall and Wharfdale WH-DFS on rear wall in line with front LR is what I am looking for as surrounds in my 5.1 with Q Acoustics 3030i and 3090ci front stage.
What are your front speakers?
i orriginally bought SVS Ultra Surround speakers thought they were sold in pairs for $929.00 aparently not ;; very expensive speakers out of my price range so i just purchased Klipsch RP-500SA II 5" + Klipsch RP502SB II Dual hope they work out good job ! thanks
Yea svs is too expensive that’s why I went back to klipsch had the ultra towers and center now I have rp gen 2 series 5 speakers
SVS has a sale for a limited time. As of today We’d. Jan. 7 2024 SVS surround speakers are $399.00 each. But when they are gone, they are gone.
Great video. How do you think 4 of the 502s would do in a garage? Paired with a subwoofer. Music main objective.
You would probably loose at least some if not all of the directionality of music. So its going to sound different then what you’ve grown accustomed to.
The elephant in the room here is surely that in an Amos/ object based sound system, Dolby-on their website recommends direct firing loud speakers, and presumably the film/movie sound track will have been engineered to be delivered by that type of speaker.
I have a thx select Jamo D500 system, which indeed does have indirect side speakers, well i would have if my Onkyo thx receiver had not died due to issues with the soldering of one of the chips inside, but i digress. (Yes, I'm an old coot) :)
As for the side speakers possibly sounding "too loud" there are adjustments in the settings to turn the volume down, presumably the auto calibration has miss-judged its closeness to the seating position, and dialled in the sound to loud a volume for that particular speaker.
I'm going out on a limb and going to say that you are well aware of the above, but in the interest of brevity left out the information to keep the presentation under 10min. :)
Great channel, wish you much success with it.
Thanks! Yes, I mentioned the Dolby recommendations in the other video here: czcams.com/video/2ZRHz_LuXTs/video.html. I agree it could be the system is calibrated incorrectly and therefore the surround is too loud. But remember most calibrations focus on the main listening position, so the surround speaker volume could be perfect for the MLP and a little loud for the person sitting nearest the speaker.
Did you find that using the bipole/dipole speakers as surrounds negatively impacted your Atmos experience vs. using monopoles?
Bipolar/dipole speakers enhanced the ambience but it was harder to localize effects so for Atmos movies with heavy effects I prefer monopoles. But if a movie has chosen to use ambient sound a lot, surrounds win. So what we all should do is spend tons of money and have both a pair monopoles and a pair of bipole/dipole! 😂😂 Just kidding. In my theater I prefer monopoles.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Thanks for the insight! How far are your side surrounds from your seating?
About 45” from the head.
Hey are you using one of those TV stands thats lets you sit the TV on top shelf and still adjust the TV up and down? If so which one are you using? I would love to get my center channel on the higher shelf of my entertainment center just like yours is setup without wall mounting my TV and your setup looks kind of like what Im wanting.
For my home cinema 7*5 two row which is better klipsch 500sa ii or 502s ii ?
I prefer monopoles specifically because I want to localize the effects in movies.
👍🏾
Hi There,
I would need your help to set up my Onkyo TX NR 6100 brand new l got it as a gift 4 years ago and never got to use it. Still in the box.
I would need your help to set it up with my Bose Acoustimass 3 Series IV Speakers that have both the input that comes from the amp and the output that goes to the cube speakers at the back of the sub.
I have two sets of the Bose Acoustimass 3 Series IV Speakers and would like to use the front and rear speaker output of the TX NR 6100 like an integrated amp for playing music as well as watching my cinema.
Thank you for your help.
What is the minimum distance for a direct radiating speaker like the RP-400m when used as a surround?
18 inches or so. But obviously father is better.
Hi I am currently building my movie Theater and wanted to ask what Klipsch speaker should I use for my back wall surround.
I don’t know your budget but I suggest the KD-51M because it is front ported so you can probably mount them directly to the wall it wouldn’t affect performance. I haven’t try them personally but that is what I suspect.
Thank you for the response
Dont know If I should get the wharfedale evo 4.1s or the evo surrounds
Both? 😁😁😁
in a 5.1 with rear surrounds placed 8-10 ft away would you recommend the 502s for rear surrounds or 600ms?
600m for a really good atmos experience. 😁
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist most likely I'm going to stick to regular 5.1 and not add atmos , you'd still recommend the 600 ms for rears? The 502s seem better as side surrounds?
@neo4102 Both will work but if you want better directional effects even if you don’t have height speakers installed the bookshelf speakers are a better choice.
Those 1723s are beauties.
😁
Please describe I don’t understand that
could you open the bipole and unhook one of the sides to make an angled monopole speaker? or is there reasons to not do this
Maybe???? I haven't tried it, though. The main reason against it maybe the cabinet design itself may not be conducive to great bass performance but that is just my speculation. If you plan to do this obviously make sure you know how to cap off the wiring, speakers have insulation inside. So if the wiring isn't properly terminated there could be a fire risk. Just be careful.
Hmm, from what I've read, "The Italian Job" is a pretty mediocre release (but a really good movie) from a video and audio standpoint. Maybe not the best disc for testing...?
I mentioned this movie more as a point of reference than specifically how great the audio quality is.
There is someone that looks like you has a channel,he will never own a klipsch because they have a sealing whatever that means
Interesting, not sure who that is.