+Dereck Dunn Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. I keep trying to take down an SU27 in 1v1 guns combat. I either get creamed or I run out of fuel. I managed to take the tail off one last night, but it barely put a dent in his maneuvering, and I was way beyond bingo on fuel. Ended up ejecting :(
+Dereck Dunn If you own the Mig-21 module I would recommend downloading and reading "Have Doughnut", its an ex-secret document made by the US "Red Eagle" squadron what conserns the Mig-21 capabilities. Here is a link: theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/havedoughnut.pdf
The old days of Microprose flight sims with the encyclopedic manuals.
Před 4 lety+4
@@MongooseTacticool the ole days of any Microprose simulation with a big book. Racing simulations too had that and I learnt a lot of things on setups when I was a kid !
Met Pete once back in the day, early 90's when I was full time over at the Army Guard Aviation just across the runway as a Blackhawk Crewechief. Nice guy. Awesome to see him later as one of the primary subject matter experts on Falcon 4 PC, which came out in 1998 and with mods I still fly to this day at times..Pete made it up to General, not sure what he's up to now. I currently work in F-16 spares acquisition for the DoD, working with F-16 engineers at Hill AFB though I'm still in Richmond Virginia area, not far from Sandston...look Pete up...he's stellar :)
Many don't know this, but that morning Adolf had decided to shave off his mustache. However, later that evening he knew it as a grave mistake and decided to grow his mustache back asap.
This info is timeless, will be applicable as long as air fighters exist. Yeah, I'm getting into DCS, X-Plane 11 and (soon) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. I might delve into Elite Dangerous too but I'm not sure if their game physics will change the rules to fly by.
I know this is serious real world stuff and it sounds a bit silly, but I watched all of it and incorporated this into ingame pvp dogfights. Once you understand the principles and manage to apply them, it actually helps a LOT. I am really grateful that this was made available.
In DCS World forums, they often recommend this exact video to new players. It's 100% accepted that it makes you a better sim player, because the sim is close enough to real life for the same skills and techniques to work there as well.
This guy has done this lecture a couple of times before making this video i can tell :) always impressive to listen to an expert that is highly articulate like this
@@forgery1177 @Steve K I did start taking pilot lessons around this time. Got about 11 hours flight time and ended up stopping. Once VR headsets get a little better I'll probably get back into it
@@0perat0r VR headsets are already amazing (I've flown WWII and cold war fighters IRL) I have a Quest 2 and DCS on not even a 30 series card yet (I'm on a 2080ti) and I can tell you the cockpits are 1:1 spot on, you even have the normal wear and tear spots like the throttles on the F-14 for example. I highly recommend if you can swing it and have a good PC!
Pete engaged a LOT on the internet around the release of Falcon 4. We talked to him several times a week. He read what we wrote on Usenet and corrected us. He participated and that shows he liked the release of Falcon 4 and what it could do for the airforce in terms of recruiting.
I LOVE these videos! I used to watch them when I bought the Falcon 4.0 Gold Edition hehe. Brings back good memories, and since I started getting into combat flight sims again recently, I am so glad I found it. Thanks SO much for sharing, God bless and "keep your six clear"! x)
I remember watching this from the original CD on Falcon 4. The best and most educational lecture I have ever seen for simmers! I can't believe that no one has taken this teaching method for simmers and ran with it. Come on all you RW pilots, make a 2018 version and educate us fish!
This video really shows how there is a lot more to dogfighting than having a plane with a faster turn rate. I finally beat the A6M Zeros in CFS2 using what this video taught me. Good stuff, and I'm just glad I don't have to use it for real!
Bought Falcon 3.0 packaged with mig-29 and FA-18 and Art of the kill back when I was in the military in 1994/95. And have seen the "art of the kill" video many, many times after that. Lost the CD while moving and was very happy when I in the 2000s found it on the internet - a great intro into basic BFM. Would also like to mention "Fighter Combat - Tactics and Maneuvering" by Robert L. Shaw for anyone interested in ACM! :)
a long time ago.... originally it was a Video Addon from the famous Game from Spectrum Holobyte - "Falcon Gold" in the early/mid 90' : -> "Falcon Gold is the complete collection of updated versions of Falcon 3.0, MiG-29, Operation: Fighting Tiger and Art of the Kill dogfighting video." - yes those were still times .. unbelievable that this video did not go under .. cool
Every time the camera pans around to mullet-guy and Roger Murtaugh, I can't help but crack a giggle. It's about as awkward and unexpected as an 80s porno cut-to-the-sweaty-guy close-up 😂😂
I have been reading thousands of manuals about ACM and A-A tactics but this man really teach me some great tips, this is definitely great... you never stop learning.
I love the spirit of this, I am watching this to get tips four our small gang PvP in Eve Online. Slightly different tactics but many of these things apply!
Wow dude kinda envious of you to have a father who flew f-16s. He also pretty much helped to make the arguably best combat flight simulation series to be what it is today.
Hi Vince... I stumble across this video. I worked on it with Pete back in the early 90's, that's me at 38:17 how's Pete doing... what a great sim Falcon 4.0.
Be careful in pursuit at 26:17. Bandit may have duped you into low energy state, especially with reduced power and slow airspeed (left hand backward movement). His energy state is clocking higher speed in the turn, with engines awake and pulling. He can roll out and climb up, over and behind you, while you fumble to spool up the engine and fight against gravity, to raise the nose.
I know this is 2 years old but in my gaming experience, a climb up defensive maneuver used against me always ends in a plane completely filling my gunsight. A chase plane has more potential energy to play with if it's catching up. In the situation posed you are pitting; the acceleration of the leading plane vs the maneuvrability of the chase plane and the potential energy of the chase plane. An F16 has what 1.2 g's of acceleration and more than 9 g's worth of turning? I don't like those odds
Finally after decades I can finally watch this damn thing. I had Falcon 3.0 gold and I could never get this to work on the 486 DX? Maybe, It was top of the 486's and as soon as we got it home my mom notices a few of her coworkers of her very "techie" company she worked for had blown the phone up and filled up the voice mail cassette. DON'T GET THAT DAMN THING! PENTIUM IS HITTING STORES TOMORROW....
Presentation's Intro {3:31} Learning Objectives {4:12} 1) To understand BFM terms and definitions 2) Be able to kill and survive in a 1v1 scenario BFM Terms and Definition: - Types of Geometry {4:50} 1- Positional 1.1- Angle-off {5:18} 1.2- Range {5:41} 1.3- Aspect {6:07} 2- Attack {6:56} 2.1- Lag Persuit {7:17} 2.2- Pure Persuit {7:32} 2.3- Lead Persuit {7:56} Visual Example {8:08} 3- Weapons Envelope
It's Mr. Clint Flinch from the Brady Bunch cartoon. Actually, I did get a lot from the terms and procedures presented here. He didn't seem to mention much regarding BVR and situational awareness. I get the impression that it all boils down to who gets the jump on who first. Who sees who 1st!
Did you ever find it funny 3/9 line, that military guys use a 12 hour clock for position but 24 hour clock for time? LOL I guess "GUY AT YOUR 22 OCLOCK" sounded weird.
Well, unless you're also talking about the vertical plane (high and low) then it wouldn't make much sense to say '22' as that would be the same as 10 on the horizontal plane. But if you're talking about the vertical plane as well, then instead of saying 10 o'clock high or 10 o'clock low you could say 22 for high and 10 for low but what about neither high nor low? Oh, the confusion that would create.
😂 31:00 I used to have a game called F-16 Fighting Falcon on the amiga computer in the early 90's. The cockpit and graphics looked almost exactly like this!
Yeah, i sometimes wonder if there is any sense in using acronyms instead of a simple word, for example RWR (radar warning reciever) could simply be called "passive" ie "i am naked on the passive". Or HSD (horizontal situation display) could simply be called map. You find that pilots make single words out of the acronyms anyway like "rover" for RWR, "flicus" for FLCS etc...
Great video, the guy dead Centre in the middle “hey how long have you flown” me(guy) in the middle, I uh don’t know I was getting a coffee when spectrum holobyte asked me to sit in. Only thing I have ever flown is paper airplane.
+Brian Dang Really :) When you dogfight a lot vertical rolling scissors seem to be rare unless someone starts it. It more nose to tail turns chasing each other and nose to nose turns maybe turning into horizontal scissors is more common I think. Zoom and boom. Angles or energy tactics. I think scissors occur when the enemy does something that you don't catch and you also is low on energy and can't climb out of the way fully like a climbing turn he can not match and then back down on him. It sort of is a failure to end up in a scissor. The simming I done about 10 000 hrs human vs human scissors happen more often in WWII prop sims. One slow down close to stall and try force overshoot the other one does not fall for that so now both are very slow with full flaps .... and a weird slow scissor starts at stall speed cause no one can safely accelerate and climb up and away. In jets when you get nose on you spray and he is severly damaged. But I remember in falcon 4 I done some vertical scissors and I think the AI starts it cause it is a chapter in the manual I think. If you fly human vs human in for example Flanker 2 / DCS sim you have to fly 100% efficient and usually both players work with hi and low yoyos. To regulate speed and turn but refusing to give up energy. The guy with least fuel onboard wins. All I am saying is if you see him pulling some shit then you abort and go where he can not follow. If you get into a scissor then both of you have similar energy level. And doing it vs a Mig29 or SU27 that uses the high alpha capability that they have can be fatal unless they fail to shoot you and loose enrgy and start plumet down. Then you just need to fly around a little till there is enough separation and then go after them down. :) Anyways vertical scissors i don't remember to have done a lot. Also it is hard enough to fight 1 enemy and you did 3. :) That game really made you look good and feel good. :) (( Don't you wonder .... I am in a joking mode ... and happy ))
It started after a head on pass. He nosed up, I nosed up, now we were climbing vertically straight up and when I lift my head to look out, he was parallel with me! I could see the entire jet as if I were right above it when it parks on the ground and look down. So the stupid inexperienced guy just punched the after burner and just zoomed up, meanwhile, as I was working the throt n boards climbing almost side by side with him, I managed to get my nose right behind him and locked his ass up for an Aim 9. Also forgot to mention he waited too late to get out of the climb, he bled all of his energy by the time we got up 13k ft.
This maneuver works against mig 21 well. I don't think it would work as well against the Mig 29 since that plane has better thrust, the turn rate is almost as good or better. It would come down to the pilots skills.
Brian Dang Agree I always climb after merge. I come in with excess speed so , refusing to bleed it off I climb to store it up. Not maybe vertical unless I am coming in at 600 knots or more LOL. Then u need vertical. But a climbing turn will do. But reaching corner speed quickly is important so in worst case pop speed breaks while climbing.
considering all of the energy and effort to keep the opponent in front of the 3 9 line, what reason prevents the invention of missiles that would face and deploy toward 6 o clock? with the advent of guided missiles you might think you could make your opponent just as vulnerable when directly behind you.
The missile would have to expend twice the energy needed to fly backwards. Since it would be going for 300 knots, it now has to use 600 knots to go backwards. On top of that, it would be extremely unstable in terms of aerodynamic
@@defiantheroes6275 That's false. The only thing that matters is relative speed to the target (If you're maintaining distance from a bandit, said speed is zero). The actual issue is possible engine burnout and very high closing rate
Yeah, most current-generation fighters have near 1:1 thrust/weight, so they can take it vertical easily, especially after burning a lot of fuel in aggressive maneuvering.
Was about to leave the video at the end then I saw "And now...a message from thrustmaster" and being a hotas warthog owner I was like just when this damn video couldnt get any better.
Anyone else watching this to work on DCS?
+Dereck Dunn Right there with you, brother, lol. Found this while looking for a good turn rate diagram for the F15C.
yamabushi170 I hear u. All i do in the f-15 is maintain 350 to 450 knots (sweet spot for f-15). Incredibly well rounded aircraft
+Dereck Dunn Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. I keep trying to take down an SU27 in 1v1 guns combat. I either get creamed or I run out of fuel. I managed to take the tail off one last night, but it barely put a dent in his maneuvering, and I was way beyond bingo on fuel. Ended up ejecting :(
+Dereck Dunn yep!
Me.
Lets hope I will not get shot down that often after watching this a few times... :)
+Dereck Dunn If you own the Mig-21 module I would recommend downloading and reading "Have Doughnut", its an ex-secret document made by the US "Red Eagle" squadron what conserns the Mig-21 capabilities. Here is a link: theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/havedoughnut.pdf
This serves to show how game developers at the time actually spent their time and money in delivering a pleasant learning experience for their games.
+participiopassado Yeah, this is clearly a work of real passion. Great to see.
The opposite of nowadays, where they just throw you in and expect you to not drown.
The old days of Microprose flight sims with the encyclopedic manuals.
@@MongooseTacticool the ole days of any Microprose simulation with a big book. Racing simulations too had that and I learnt a lot of things on setups when I was a kid !
Yea now we have this thing called the internet and very competent content creators.
00:26 *Introduction with Col. Phil "Hands" Handley*
03:31 *Lesson 1: Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM) with Pete "Boomer" Bonanni*
04:08 *Desired Learning Objectives (DLO)*
04:08 1. To understand Basic Fighter Maneuvers (BFM) terms and definitions
04:08 2. Be able to kill and survive in a 1 versus 1 scenario
04:56 *Positional Geometry*
05:19 1. Angle-off
05:41 2. Range
06:07 3. Aspect
06:54 *Attack Geometry*
07:17 1. Lag Pursuit
07:32 2. Pure Pursuit
07:57 3. Lead Pursuit
08:09 Attack Pursuit Options
08:44 *Weapons Envelope*
09:10 1. Radar Missiles
09:10 2. Heat Missiles
10:12 3. Gun
11:04 Lesson 1: Review
11:50 📚 *ACM Evolution: The Dawn of Air Combat*
13:07 *Lesson 2: Offensive BFM*
13:16 1. Maintain a 3/9 line advantage
13:57 2. Drive into weapon parameters
14:14 3. If you can't do 1 or 2 then separate
14:22 Fluidity
15:01 Energy Exchange
15:39 *BFM Basics: 1. Observe, 2. Predict, 3. Maneuver, 4. React*
16:25 BFM Problems
17:52 Turns
19:45 Vertical Turns
20:39 Turning Room
21:35 Example: Outside Your Turn Circle
23:10 Example: Inside Your Turn Circle
23:51 Inside Turns
27:38 Lesson 2: Review
28:12 📚 *ACM Evolution: Battle of Britain*
29:33 *Lesson 3: Defensive BFM*
29:49 1. Defeat all missiles and gun shots
30:12 2. Force BRM problems on the bandit
30:22 3. When the bandit BFMs, take away his turning room
30:44 Detecting Bandits
31:57 Easy Bandit
33:15 Difficult Bandit
35:51 Missiles
37:19 Gunshots
39:20 Lesson 3: Review
39:55 📚 *ACM Evolution: Entering the Jet Age*
41:16 *Lesson 4: Head-On BFM*
41:16 1. Attain weapons parameters
41:16 2. Gain 3/9 line advantage
41:16 3. If you can't gain a 3/9 advantage, then separate
44:17 One Circle Fight
44:50 Two Circle Fight
46:34 Vertical Move
47:51 Lesson 4: Review
48:36 📚 *ACM Evolution: F-105 Thunderchief*
50:20 *Questions with 510th Tactical Fighter Wing*
50:30 Question 1
52:33 Question 2
53:43 Question 3
55:17 Conclusion
56:11 📚 *ACM Evolution: The Gulf War*
57:40 Credits
Thank you so much! You’re a legend 👊
You're the best! Thank you so much for doing this!
Met Pete once back in the day, early 90's when I was full time over at the Army Guard Aviation just across the runway as a Blackhawk Crewechief. Nice guy. Awesome to see him later as one of the primary subject matter experts on Falcon 4 PC, which came out in 1998 and with mods I still fly to this day at times..Pete made it up to General, not sure what he's up to now. I currently work in F-16 spares acquisition for the DoD, working with F-16 engineers at Hill AFB though I'm still in Richmond Virginia area, not far from Sandston...look Pete up...he's stellar :)
His steely mustache gives me comfort
A steely mustache didn't save Hitler from Bombs raining down on Berlin
Many don't know this, but that morning Adolf had decided to shave off his mustache. However, later that evening he knew it as a grave mistake and decided to grow his mustache back asap.
lulz
go ahead kiss them they are right below his steel may be you will become Zuberman
Hahahaha his mustache says “Trust me, I’m a nice guy.”
4:26 ''A fighter pilot as one objective: kill the ennemy, destroy the ennemy and survive...'' lol
h31212 - actually, that's true from what I've heard. Put it in civilian jargon, it would be like this: "Kick theirs and protect yours."
Anyone still watching in 2020👌🙋♀️
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...aka: FishBelly (Grim Reapers, some day,.. some day soon... )
Ryan Breaker u seem to care enough to waste ur energy commenting
just started getting into aviation and fighter jets, yes.
Jensen Ex yes
This info is timeless, will be applicable as long as air fighters exist. Yeah, I'm getting into DCS, X-Plane 11 and (soon) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. I might delve into Elite Dangerous too but I'm not sure if their game physics will change the rules to fly by.
I know this is serious real world stuff and it sounds a bit silly, but I watched all of it and incorporated this into ingame pvp dogfights.
Once you understand the principles and manage to apply them, it actually helps a LOT.
I am really grateful that this was made available.
Not silly at all. I just came across this looking to learn BFM for DCS myself. Fantastic info. Cheers🍻
This video is actually just the video manual for a video game. Falcon 3.
In DCS World forums, they often recommend this exact video to new players.
It's 100% accepted that it makes you a better sim player, because the sim is close enough to real life for the same skills and techniques to work there as well.
This guy has done this lecture a couple of times before making this video i can tell :) always impressive to listen to an expert that is highly articulate like this
He was a weapons instructor twice.
Its absolutely imperative to have a solid understanding of BFM, if you don't understand Basic Fighter Mustache your never going to make it.
The only man to block a chuck norris roundhouse
+Marcus Sundbom and live to tell about it
I like how his head sits on top of his body not turning sideways most of the time... reminds me of Terminator 1.
The only man on earth capable of positioning himself inside Norris's turncircle.
This instructor is great, I'm just getting into serious flight combat sims
Now you have to choose: Your Chemistry textbook or the manual to Falcon 4.0?
What are you doing now? It’s been 7 years
Bro how's it going bro
@@forgery1177 @Steve K I did start taking pilot lessons around this time. Got about 11 hours flight time and ended up stopping. Once VR headsets get a little better I'll probably get back into it
@@0perat0r VR headsets are already amazing (I've flown WWII and cold war fighters IRL) I have a Quest 2 and DCS on not even a 30 series card yet (I'm on a 2080ti) and I can tell you the cockpits are 1:1 spot on, you even have the normal wear and tear spots like the throttles on the F-14 for example. I highly recommend if you can swing it and have a good PC!
Pete engaged a LOT on the internet around the release of Falcon 4. We talked to him several times a week. He read what we wrote on Usenet and corrected us. He participated and that shows he liked the release of Falcon 4 and what it could do for the airforce in terms of recruiting.
This video helped me splash a couple flankers without dying in BMS
Pete "Boomer" Bonani looks like he could knock down a Fulcrum just by fixing it with a gimlet stare and cocking an eyebrow at it.
6:07 - that moment the fighter ace in peak physical condition locks eyes with the fat gamer dude getting ready to rush home and play falcon 3
They gave a bunch of video game dorks flight suits LMFAO
I have this on VCR tape along with the book. He made me dangerous to the enemy and not to myself anymore
Yup, I bought the box set and I was super pumped for it
All I hear is "I HAVE A MUSTACHE"
This is the original video. 1995 and STILL valid! This video gave me such a head start! I was untouchable in Falcon3, Falcon4, EF2000, etc., etc.
Gotta love that trimmed stache!
I guess that comes with flying jets... gotta have it fit in the oxygen mask :)
Pete Bonnani, the man behind Falcon 4.0. Epic sim!
Falcon 3.0 actually, initially!
I LOVE these videos! I used to watch them when I bought the Falcon 4.0 Gold Edition hehe. Brings back good memories, and since I started getting into combat flight sims again recently, I am so glad I found it. Thanks SO much for sharing, God bless and "keep your six clear"! x)
That's an intense 1987 mustache.
Great tutorial video, off to DCS world now
I remember watching this from the original CD on Falcon 4. The best and most educational lecture I have ever seen for simmers! I can't believe that no one has taken this teaching method for simmers and ran with it. Come on all you RW pilots, make a 2018 version and educate us fish!
Falcon 3!
"when your cockpit suddenly fills up with hair and teeth and eyeballs, and not in the correct order"
Epic Moustache !! no wonder hes an F-16 ACE. he has the protection of moustache amulet
Dog fight sounds glamours. But now is all about BVR.
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This video really shows how there is a lot more to dogfighting than having a plane with a faster turn rate. I finally beat the A6M Zeros in CFS2 using what this video taught me. Good stuff, and I'm just glad I don't have to use it for real!
While my copy of Falcon 3.0 is long gone, the Art of the Kill book which accompanied this video still sits safely on my shelf.
Bought Falcon 3.0 packaged with mig-29 and FA-18 and Art of the kill back when I was in the military in 1994/95. And have seen the "art of the kill" video many, many times after that. Lost the CD while moving and was very happy when I in the 2000s found it on the internet - a great intro into basic BFM. Would also like to mention "Fighter Combat - Tactics and Maneuvering" by Robert L. Shaw for anyone interested in ACM! :)
a long time ago.... originally it was a Video Addon from the famous Game from Spectrum Holobyte - "Falcon Gold" in the early/mid 90' :
-> "Falcon Gold is the complete collection of updated versions of Falcon 3.0, MiG-29, Operation: Fighting Tiger and Art of the Kill dogfighting video." - yes those were still times .. unbelievable that this video did not go under .. cool
Every time the camera pans around to mullet-guy and Roger Murtaugh, I can't help but crack a giggle. It's about as awkward and unexpected as an 80s porno cut-to-the-sweaty-guy close-up 😂😂
I have been reading thousands of manuals about ACM and A-A tactics but this man really teach me some great tips, this is definitely great... you never stop learning.
Came for the War Thunder tips, stayed for the 'stache.
+D Enhanced mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
USTACHE
man this brings back memories ,.. it's been many years since i saw this video last .
Thanks for posting it
are there any more videos from this "course"? That guy is an awesome speaker!
I love the spirit of this, I am watching this to get tips four our small gang PvP in Eve Online. Slightly different tactics but many of these things apply!
Screw you pirates!!!
Holy Shit, that's my dad.
Wow dude kinda envious of you to have a father who flew f-16s.
He also pretty much helped to make the arguably best combat flight simulation series to be what it is today.
your dad's hot
Hi Vince... I stumble across this video. I worked on it with Pete back in the early 90's, that's me at 38:17 how's Pete doing... what a great sim Falcon 4.0.
Heya Bruce!
Your dad is awesome...also, I think his moustache ALONE could've been a Mig killing ace...just sayin!
Star Fox Command already taught me this.
"Col. Phil Handley, MiG Killer, Vietnam" that's a pretty cool title to carry.
American pilots always sport the best mustaches.
I love the 8 bit 1980's MIDI music... LOL.. reminds me of a Commodore 64 game... :)
***** We used to do a lot of things with just 8 bits in the late 70's. Of course, program code was a lot less sloppy and bloated back then.
***** They weren't just played on the computer. We did have midi keyboards and instruments you know.
This guy IS the eighties.
you know the falcon series is good when it has a video dedicated to it
Be careful in pursuit at 26:17. Bandit may have duped you into low energy state, especially with reduced power and slow airspeed (left hand backward movement). His energy state is clocking higher speed in the turn, with engines awake and pulling. He can roll out and climb up, over and behind you, while you fumble to spool up the engine and fight against gravity, to raise the nose.
I know this is 2 years old but in my gaming experience, a climb up defensive maneuver used against me always ends in a plane completely filling my gunsight. A chase plane has more potential energy to play with if it's catching up. In the situation posed you are pitting; the acceleration of the leading plane vs the maneuvrability of the chase plane and the potential energy of the chase plane. An F16 has what 1.2 g's of acceleration and more than 9 g's worth of turning? I don't like those odds
Got to have the conditioned manly chest hair poking out of the suit to really sell the 80's Top gun look...haha
Wow. Only took me 24 years to get around to watching this.
This is an extremely well produced training video!
Watching this before Star Wars: Squadrons comes out
19:20 simply to remind me where I've stopped
I Really Like This Video of Air Combat 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
The mustache man, is good as a teacher. This was cool to see, even thou to Me, nothing much new. Thank You.
Wtf do all USAF pilots between 1999-2004 have mustaches like Goose
It was in style :D
Some are watching for DCS and others are watching for Falcon BMS. The exact game they are using to demonstrate the maneuvers.
if it wasn't your playlist i wouldn't be there, thanks pal.
from a fellow bms player
@@joaogabriel4643 Yes this video is gold for real life and simmers.
3rd world countries still wish they had training this good.
Of course, this is now *way* more useful thanks to the marvellous combination of Falcon 4.0 + BMS 4.34 ...
Falcon 3.0 was a great game.
...and the guy in back says, "Do some of that pilot-shit and get us outta here!"...
I'm watching this daily and I'm still getting my ass kicked lol
Biggest thing to take away from this, if you wanna be a pilot, grow dat STACHE!
43:03 anyone else see the two hive mind dudes?
This video is amazing, I’ve learnt so much
Came to learn for vtol vr... staying for that sweet stache....
Finally after decades I can finally watch this damn thing. I had Falcon 3.0 gold and I could never get this to work on the 486 DX? Maybe, It was top of the 486's and as soon as we got it home my mom notices a few of her coworkers of her very "techie" company she worked for had blown the phone up and filled up the voice mail cassette. DON'T GET THAT DAMN THING! PENTIUM IS HITTING STORES TOMORROW....
Oh, I still remember being hit over the head with the ~500 page manual of Falcon 4.0. Damn that thing was heavy...
Still have mine.
Presentation's Intro {3:31}
Learning Objectives {4:12}
1) To understand BFM terms and definitions
2) Be able to kill and survive in a 1v1 scenario
BFM Terms and Definition:
- Types of Geometry {4:50}
1- Positional
1.1- Angle-off {5:18}
1.2- Range {5:41}
1.3- Aspect {6:07}
2- Attack {6:56}
2.1- Lag Persuit {7:17}
2.2- Pure Persuit {7:32}
2.3- Lead Persuit {7:56}
Visual Example {8:08}
3- Weapons Envelope
It's Mr. Clint Flinch from the Brady Bunch cartoon. Actually, I did get a lot from the terms and procedures presented here. He didn't seem to mention much regarding BVR and situational awareness. I get the impression that it all boils down to who gets the jump on who first. Who sees who 1st!
This whole thing is hilarious XD. That intro was time period appropriate indeed.
Great Vid! Reminds me of the good old days playing Falcon 4.0. Thanks for sharing
There is no way the bearded mullet guy and the dude next to him have ever gotten near a fighter.
Art of the Kill 101 : Get a mustache
Enable Subtitles, and at 3:33 find out the real name of the pilot
“The missile has to go faster to catch him”
No, the missile has to go further.
50 superbucks to anyone that can name the watch he is wearing
Nice show, good to get the basics right!
Oh my god I actually thought this was going to be a tim and eric sketch thinking the instructor was Will Forte.
Me too omg!! Really disappointing haha
Did you ever find it funny 3/9 line, that military guys use a 12 hour clock for position but 24 hour clock for time? LOL I guess "GUY AT YOUR 22 OCLOCK" sounded weird.
Well, unless you're also talking about the vertical plane (high and low) then it wouldn't make much sense to say '22' as that would be the same as 10 on the horizontal plane.
But if you're talking about the vertical plane as well, then instead of saying 10 o'clock high or 10 o'clock low you could say 22 for high and 10 for low but what about neither high nor low? Oh, the confusion that would create.
A clockface doesn't exceed 12... It would be as unnecessary as saying "fly bearing 450" instead of 090.
Thought I was about to BSOD or retire my GPU at 5:05, scared the crap outta me
Thanks to Razörfist for sending me to this
When did razorfist suggest this?
@@eriktruchinskas3747 it was during a livestream, cant remember it now, but he was talking to some friends about a corny, top-gun 80s pilot video
My Dad is second to the Right. OG flight sim Pilot
😂 31:00 I used to have a game called F-16 Fighting Falcon on the amiga computer in the early 90's. The cockpit and graphics looked almost exactly like this!
I didn't know Trevor was a fighter pilot...
needs 1 v 5 manuevering techniques for warthunder arcade lol
Easy solution stop playing arcade
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DLO? I swear sometimes I feel like the airforce likes to mock us with their useless acronyms haha.
it's not just the chair force lol...
Yeah, i sometimes wonder if there is any sense in using acronyms instead of a simple word, for example RWR (radar warning reciever) could simply be called "passive" ie "i am naked on the passive". Or HSD (horizontal situation display) could simply be called map. You find that pilots make single words out of the acronyms anyway like "rover" for RWR, "flicus" for FLCS etc...
Very informational for my occasional computer dog fights!
Whose the one F-16 student with the mullet and beard?? Now that's a coors light Air Force!
Dang. I remember watching this video as a kid when my dad bought Falcon 3.0 lol
This is pure gold. Anyone know any more videos like these? Maybe for more advanced techniques?
Metal Jesus anyone?
A video made, when men where men, jet fighting was jet fighting, and 'staches where 'staches...
Great video, the guy dead Centre in the middle “hey how long have you flown” me(guy) in the middle, I uh don’t know I was getting a coffee when spectrum holobyte asked me to sit in. Only thing I have ever flown is paper airplane.
This vid helped me so much in Falcon 2.0. Downed 2 Mig 29s w guns, and 1 mig 21 with an Aim 9 while in a vertical rolling scissor.
+Brian Dang Really :)
When you dogfight a lot vertical rolling scissors seem to be rare unless someone starts it.
It more nose to tail turns chasing each other and nose to nose turns maybe turning into horizontal scissors is more common I think. Zoom and boom. Angles or energy tactics. I think scissors occur when the enemy does something that you don't catch and you also is low on energy and can't climb out of the way fully like a climbing turn he can not match and then back down on him. It sort of is a failure to end up in a scissor. The simming I done about 10 000 hrs human vs human scissors happen more often in WWII prop sims. One slow down close to stall and try force overshoot the other one does not fall for that so now both are very slow with full flaps .... and a weird slow scissor starts at stall speed cause no one can safely accelerate and climb up and away.
In jets when you get nose on you spray and he is severly damaged.
But I remember in falcon 4 I done some vertical scissors and I think the AI starts it cause it is a chapter in the manual I think. If you fly human vs human in for example Flanker 2 / DCS sim you have to fly 100% efficient and usually both players work with hi and low yoyos. To regulate speed and turn but refusing to give up energy. The guy with least fuel onboard wins.
All I am saying is if you see him pulling some shit then you abort and go where he can not follow. If you get into a scissor then both of you have similar energy level. And doing it vs a Mig29 or SU27 that uses the high alpha capability that they have can be fatal unless they fail to shoot you and loose enrgy and start plumet down. Then you just need to fly around a little till there is enough separation and then go after them down. :)
Anyways vertical scissors i don't remember to have done a lot. Also it is hard enough to fight 1 enemy and you did 3. :) That game really made you look good and feel good. :) (( Don't you wonder .... I am in a joking mode ... and happy ))
It started after a head on pass. He nosed up, I nosed up, now we were climbing vertically straight up and when I lift my head to look out, he was parallel with me! I could see the entire jet as if I were right above it when it parks on the ground and look down. So the stupid inexperienced guy just punched the after burner and just zoomed up, meanwhile, as I was working the throt n boards climbing almost side by side with him, I managed to get my nose right behind him and locked his ass up for an Aim 9. Also forgot to mention he waited too late to get out of the climb, he bled all of his energy by the time we got up 13k ft.
This maneuver works against mig 21 well. I don't think it would work as well against the Mig 29 since that plane has better thrust, the turn rate is almost as good or better. It would come down to the pilots skills.
Brian Dang Agree I always climb after merge. I come in with excess speed so , refusing to bleed it off I climb to store it up. Not maybe vertical unless I am coming in at 600 knots or more LOL. Then u need vertical. But a climbing turn will do.
But reaching corner speed quickly is important so in worst case pop speed breaks while climbing.
considering all of the energy and effort to keep the opponent in front of the 3 9 line, what reason prevents the invention of missiles that would face and deploy toward 6 o clock? with the advent of guided missiles you might think you could make your opponent just as vulnerable when directly behind you.
The missile would have to expend twice the energy needed to fly backwards. Since it would be going for 300 knots, it now has to use 600 knots to go backwards. On top of that, it would be extremely unstable in terms of aerodynamic
@@defiantheroes6275 That's false. The only thing that matters is relative speed to the target (If you're maintaining distance from a bandit, said speed is zero). The actual issue is possible engine burnout and very high closing rate
@@vaclavjebavy5118 Nice, thanks for the catch.
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antidote for a turn when ur in a lag pursuit is to go veritcal and come down on him
Yeah, most current-generation fighters have near 1:1 thrust/weight, so they can take it vertical easily, especially after burning a lot of fuel in aggressive maneuvering.
25:36 combat instructors world over.. 🙏
Was about to leave the video at the end then I saw "And now...a message from thrustmaster" and being a hotas warthog owner I was like just when this damn video couldnt get any better.
DCS need to organise something like this and stream it.