Does Mariah Carey Have Voice Damage?
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Her biggest enemy is herself
People always compare her to her20s self
I wish her inner peace
Aretha was the same.
That is so true. She is compared with her younger years, so it probably makes her push too hard or in the wrong way to get that old sound. I feel like you just hit the nail on the head.
She is not 20 but she can adapt to her voice now. She is doing It very Well
Right! I was just gonna day it’s ashame that every time she has an off performance, her voices cracks or she doesn’t sound how she did 20 years ago because criticize the hell out of her and make ignorant comments.
She is always compared only to herself because her prime is unmatched. She set the bar sooo high. Her voice is fragile but she can still give us amazing performances.
“Any time someone gets on stage it deserves respect” what a beautiful sentiment I wish more people saw it that way instead of tearing people to shreds after a “bad” performance
(When most of the time the people who say those bad things could never get up on stage themselves)
Preach!!
Mariah’s voice started to decline in her mid-twenties due to singing on a tired voice repeatedly.
Her mid to upper range affected by nodules.
That was now a long time ago, she has sounded like this for decades, so the damage is permanent.
My guess why she hasn’t gotten surgery to remove the nodules is it could also remove her trademark whistle tone... which is still intact. Who could blame her?
Her 1st 3 albums are some of the most brilliant vocals ever recorded.
Just incredible.
Mariah will always be a superstar icon, but that flawless, smooth, voice left the building many years ago.
preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeachhhhhh!!!
It’s true I honestly feel for her it just sounds really unhealthy and I’ve had troubles like that before and it’s a scary feeling.
@@r0land014 As a full-time professional singer for 20 years, singing Whitney, Celine, Mariah on the original key every night....
Just make sure it doesn't hurt when you sing. The power should never come from your throat, but your abdomen, always. :)
Mariah discussed having vocal nodules as early as her debut. Her voice is unique in that she found a way to use her nodules as a hinge around which she can close the bottom part of her vocal cords to achieve the whistle notes she's famous for. They are simultaneously the reason why her speaking voice is so low and raspy and why she has the ability to reach notes well into the 2nd octave. She has a performance of Emotions on Top of the Pops where she is avoiding nearly every single upper and middle belt but hitting whistle notes with relative ease. That was in 1991. The nodules affect her belting and head voice the most, so I'm not surprised that I haven't heard her belt in the 5th octave with stability and vibrato since around 2008. And, nowadays, her connected head voice is practically nonexistent.
I think at some point Mariah began to realize that her nodules were making her voice more difficult to use, so she began to force out the notes rather than relax because relaxation often led to cracking and destabilizing. This change in technique is probably most noticeable between 1996 and 1997. Since then she's been using a lot more glottal tension to sustain these notes instead of focusing on relaxing and smoothing out her voice.
She refuses to get surgery on her nodules because she's afraid she'll lose either her lower or whistle range or even end up like Julie Andrews with no voice at all. And there is absolutely no way she could find the time to rest her voice in a sufficient manner to relieve her nodules, at least to the point of achieving a voice reminiscent of 2003. As much as I love her music, I just wish she'd take a hiatus, rest her voice entirely, and drastically change her style of living to accommodate her nodules. That's just me, though.
Your right 🤗💛
I was just going to mention this. Your absolutely right. She's always had nodes, early in her career she had the whistle tone and she was singing some of the hardest songs. All this singing with nodes is perfect recipe for vocal damage. She still and icon in my book.
100% agree.
EXACTLY well ALMOST lol- what I was gonna say! True old school Mariah fans!
if she's had nodes for this long the only way to get rid of them at all is surgery, which is indeed risking losing her voice entirely.
So refreshing to see ACTUAL vocal coaches critiquing singers' performances
Right they actually give constructive criticism, instead of just saying "ouu that sounded bad"
For "real vocal coaches" their analysis is quite shallow and research very lacking. It's clear that they know very little about Mariah's career and how her voice has evolved.
@@WarperBlade I completely disagree. I believe they dove into every possible depth in this performance. The thing that you were saying that they know little about MC's stuff is not something to expect from a vocal coach but to a fan of her
@@WarperBlade yes!
@@WarperBlade They gave a lot of depth and insight from little previous knowledge and this one performance. Their job was to analyze her voice here, not analyze her vocal evolution. Only really devoted fans/lambs would note her vocal evolution to such a detailed degree, like you or I.
Nodules and lack of confidence took some of her best.
Jiro Alvin Alcorano having nodules is is the reason she can whistle tho.
She's one of the most successful recording stars, why does she have a problem with confidence?
Jo Ja Yes nodules is/are her way to whistle and it is also the cause of her vocal deterioration. In fact it is the vocal deterioration itself. Kindly read what nodules is/are.
adelgado75 isn't it obvious that she lacks confidence in the past decade? Media effectively dumped her whenever she is screwing up in national television but never realised how great she is when she is at rest and great vocal condition in her tours.
@@adelgado75 She is exceptionally insecure. If you go and watch her acceptance speech right after this performance, you may get a bit of an insight.
"Not that I'm telling any of you to do this, but just try go scream at the top of your lungs for 5 minutes and then try to sing." -- that image really helped me understand her situation. That's why I love your analyses so much.
Haha, yeah. Sam's great, mmhm.
I screamed for 1 minute once, i was hoarse and felt something i my throath for 2 months, i don't want to imagine what 5 minutes of it would cause
That was pretty obvious.. u can hear the straining
@@brenttmiller93 How to miss the point 101
For a split second I thought they were sitting next to each other and I was like “holy shit either Sam is tiny or this guy is massive”
The aloe vera pasted between them did the trick 🤣
Theyre not sitting together?????
😂😂this comment though..🤣💀
Lmaooo
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i see disecting, no jugement and a lot of caring and empathy.. i LOVE your work.
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Luis Vila there’s a sense of sadness in them that she can’t do what she’s trying so hard to do, like she used to. It makes me sad. You’re right, they’re caring and not judgmental.
Well they did judge her, but not harshly.
They suggested she was lazy, what are you talking about?
@@bazingacurta2567exactly the best part is they don’t have half the talent she does lol
Mariah herself didn't like it either.
Truth lol
No she didn't like it.
She didn't like it cause she knows that she could do better.
@Iris E czcams.com/video/YurtuPB1k_w/video.html
She didn't like it cause she's a perfectionist, her condition restrains her voice and is inconsistent sometimes especially when she's nervous. Also, she has stated she's had confindence issues since she was little.
She's one of the most successful women in music yet one of the most insecure and that lack of confidence is apparent when she's infront of a crowd like this
She needs to hire Sam and his friend for a year and problem solved
@@MrLuis85698 There's more going on behind the scenes, bi polar disorder, rumoured alcoholism etc
If that's LaTrice, I am here for it.
Shes had nearly a decade of folka slamming the FUCK out of her. Of COURSE shes nervous.
I love her.
She doesnt have to do this for us.
And she certainly doesnt deserve this.
@@MrLuis85698 i dont think rhese dudes really know a damn thing. They certainly aint at all on her level.
I enjoyed this-not bashing her but explaining. ♥️
Sam is totally awesome with that. :)
This was bashing lol
Lucas Entertainment It really wasn’t he stated facts.
Kevin look at other recent performances of hers.
Borderline over-explaining
I wanted to cry watching this video. I can see that she struggles with being inside her own thoughts. She tries to match her old sound and you can hear her struggle to do that. It saddens me that people expect her to sing the same 30 years later and she has that same expectation for herself. She still has the potential to fix the technique, but she won't have the same style and that's okay.
It sounds like vocal nodules. As a speech pathologist, I’ve been noticing it for years.
Yes she has always had them
She does have nodules, she said in an interview years ago, she said that is how she learned to whistle and expand her lower range when she got tbem as a child and never removed them.
They are obviously getting worse. She can barely hold a long note. Instead of singing aaaaahhhhh, she is singing ah ah ah ah.
Benjamin Chen you mean vocal breaks? She can’t sustain a note?
@@MariahCareyVevo1 I think she knows her nodule issues and breaks. That's why she is purposefully breaking down the long notes. For example, the end of Vision of Love.
Post-performance interview she said she hated it. So, your observations are really valid I think. She does not sound as bad in her tours because she’s more confortable with her audience. Definitely, she has suffered serious self doubt recently after the disastrous new year’s eve performance. Also, she just started getting help again for her bipolar II disorder. Medications could be a factor as well, as some psych meds can have drying effect on the vocal cords. Further, she just got out of a very destructive management. Her previous manager probably allowed her to slack in keeping up with her voice as well as being exposed to alcohol and other probable suspect substances. With her new management, she’s slowly getting back in shape. You should go back and listen to her performances in recent years and you will hear a gradual decline in her voice.
You are SO right about any meds - not just psych meds. Estrogen and thyroid meds, allergy med (which most singers usually stay away from b/c they tend to be drying), but psychiatric meds have the potential to completely change the voice and the thickness of the folds etc. I had to stop singing completely after psych meds b/c I simply couldn't relearn my repertoire while a fight went on between my muscle memory and trying to learn a whole new technique to compensate my "new" voice that came with psych meds. Needless to say, depression doesn't help any of that.
This comment was really insightful, both in general and for people (like me) who are casual fans but don't know about her management issues etc. Thanks for this!
As a singer, her performance was very hard to watch because I just felt for her. Her voice is inconsistent here and she can't trust it... Which makes her insecure, which makes it more inconsistent. And honestly it just breaks my heart for her because it would be devastating to me if I couldn't do the one thing I love to do more than anything else and that brings me so much joy. I do agree and think she needs to put in more work so that her singing becomes second nature again, so she can be better confident, so that her voice is in better shape and so that when she is feeling nerves or insecurity, her voice is still there for her and doesn't let her down. And above all, get those nodes fixed if that is an issue.
Agree with most of your comment, but fixing her nodules would be really invasive at this point. She's had them since she was lil and has sang 30 years professionally with them. I don't think it would be a good idea to remove them now.
Giuliana CR Your comment was a week ago lol but %1000 agreed. She’s had them for far too long (for valid reasoning). I think the best bet is just rest/hydration/few shows and more comfortable environments. These award shows must definitely be super anxiety inducing especially this past BBA where the comparison is her voice from 25+ yrs ago! She’s far more happier on tour & Vegas (which has yielded great/relaxed recent performances) in the last couple yrs!
As a singer have u achieved her succees have you stood in the top for 30 years have u released 15 albums
I don’t think she’ll ever be able to use it properly again due to too much damage. The high notes are the result of damage from nodules and she’s used that since her debut. I love Mariah and think she’s a wonderful producer and songwriter. That is her bread and butter. But that voice hasn’t been properly cared for. Many famous singers haven’t done that though. Too much work and busy schedules on the road. No one could keep up with that lifestyle unless you’re very disciplined and get a lot of rest.
I hope someone from Mariah's camp sees this video and gets in touch with one of y'all to help her.
Gina B's Studio She could just call her mum.
@@memoirsofanimperfectbaritone Omg so true her mom
This was honestly one of the best vocal examinations I’ve seen they’re so honest and genuine in examining Mariah’s latest performance it’s so perfect and spot on. They never read or saw any details about her conditions and mindset but just by listening to the vocals they explored and explained in perfect depth everything it was like telepathy reading your mail just from listening to the vocals and seeing positions and postures. You guys are amazing please continue to be truthful and genuine we need that. Also please do more Mariah with her caution tour which is really recent, we need help here.
She was so nervous. She's even shaking during the speech. At the backstage the fans said "u did amazing" and she responded it "I hated it". She said to the interviewer "I hope u go to my concert to see more relaxe performance". Well btw I think this whole performance was live, and the corsette tho zzz she's lack of confident. Does her vocal damaged? FOR SURE, imagine singing Mariah's songs for over the decades -_-
The problem is her songs just HARD. And she's trying to hit all of those notes as she used to
Dicky Martin proving that she is a legend!
@@pepperdayjackpac4521! She sounds good to me.
@@Xdianaandini people expect her to hit those same notes and it's sad. People literally bully her..
Guys, If Adele can rest like 4 years.... Why Mariah can't? It's just not fair for anybody.
I think she has compromised getting her vocal damage/issues fixed or helped in an effort to retain her whistle register. And that’s a sad sad thing. I’d rather hear Mariah sing clearly, healthily and happily than hear her whistle.
I've personally never been a fan of whistle tones. They're impressive, don't get me wrong, I know they take a massive amount of vocal skill to pull off. They just irritate me.
Exactly just seems a bad practice to keep a small range of notes as the focus at the expense of the rest of your range.
Agreed. She could have moved away from her 90s and early 2000s sound and actually had overall good vocals
this!!!!! I’ve been saying this for years!! She should’ve LEFT HER WHISTLE REGISTER ALONE!!! It has completely damaged her voice
The thing is whistles are her signature note, it's hard for her to compromise it
Oh this is so sad to hear. She needs complete vocal rest. I remember Céline Dion having to do it at the peak of her career but she’s still in fine voice now, so obviously it’s worth it. I really feel for Mariah, she’s a legend but she really needs a break & to rebuild her voice from scratch.
As a fan I do wish she rest😭😭
Yeah, she's never been good at taking breaks. She's such an intense workaholic and for the first decade of her career really didn't take care of herself at all (ate poorly, slept only a few hours per night or not at all, and likely didn't rest her voice adequately). I think she's taken much better care of herself since then, but it sounds like she needs to do more when it comes to vocal rest and training.
@Nikki mariah on the other hand have nodules which worsens as time goes by
@@humanormachine2936 true she only have 15 hours of rest for a whole week😭plus ...ion even know it's so sad to see her go through this I hope she'll be okay tho😭
COVID came to the rescue
I think you guys make a really good point in terms of her having maybe reprioritised as her fame increased and not having the drive a younger artist might have to spend a lot of time working with their instrument. Also, I think there's definitely something to the issue of whether she's really come to terms with the changes in her voice as she's aged and had issues with nodules etc. Can you imagine what it must be like to have had THAT voice and then find that it's no longer what it once was?
She even hated her performance :(
Whitney went through the same thing. It's probably devastating and increases her stage anxiety.
I'm thinking she's gone through some pretty horrible stuff in her private life recently and that can't have helped.
My god she pushed SO HARD for the first 20 years of her career, yes I wish she tried harder and maybe she will, hopefully, but everyone should just leave her tf alone.
That must be really sad for mariah. Imagine you trying to sing your songs and you just can't do them anymore like you used to. Even I is so dissapointed now because i can't no longer sustain that long f5 of Celine Dion's "All by Myself" which I effortlessly does 10years ago. How much more for someone like mariah. It's just really really sad.
she is always so nervous during these kinds of performances, i think that takes a toll on her confidence which affects her voice (and she does still deal with her nodules so far as us fans know)
Agree. Its to bad I am a long time Mariah fan! She gets nervous because she gets ripped to shreds
Almost 30 years of career and you say "she is always so nervous"? Her voice is damaged, Mariah fans should stop excusing her for every mistake just because of her past or legacy.
@@ricardoortiz3174 Exactly. This is the truth. Sorry fans, I'm one too, but I'd never excuse her truth because I find all of this sad. No excuses, her voice is damaged, this is not anxiety/nervousness. I mean she could be both before a performance, but the bottom line is, her voice IS damaged.
Ricardo Ortiz no matter how long you career may be, when you are dragged to hell and receive tons and tons of backlash by the public who call you all kinds of horrible names and discredit your work because you have 2 bad performances, you’re gonna lose confidence afterwards. Sorry but that’s the case for mariah. She has lost a HUGE amount of confidence and she’s talked about it PLENTY of times. Yes, her voice is damaged, everyone knows that, but when she is relaxed aka during her tours, she sounds 20 times better than this. I know because I saw her live a month aho
@@ricardoortiz3174 You are so correct. Everyone says she's nervous. But if you know you can slay it, why be nervous singing live?
It must be difficult to sing with a corset tightening your diaphragm.
Sasha Kadyrova yes that tooo!!! She needs to feel comfy Bc that thing looks very tight
the whole metal community does this without ANY problem whatsoever. check out Sharon den Adel from within temptation for example
@@TeylaDex
The issue is that they use ornament corset. Not to look thinner.
@@stopsashaok bullshit. those are properly laced corsets. you know, steel bones corsets, not those latex thinning thingies
@@TeylaDex Mariah has issues with body weight in the last few years and it's hard for her to sing in corsets because she isn't used to that
It’s not a bad performance but it’s not good either. Still a great singer considering the vocal damage.
As a huge Mariah fan, I know that her voice is damaged and is not going to sound like what it is in the past. But luckily for us, Mariah continues to make music for us and I will forever be grateful for that. She is probably nervous because the media is quick to criticize her for a bad performance and she tends to get paranoid. She also mentioned before her acceptance speech that she was nervous
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I totally agree with u...i mean shes singing in front of thousands of people!! And has done so for 30 years...not many artist can have this rep!
She was super nervous in this performance.
Icyruios I actually wish she would stop making music. I think she’s so scared of letting people down or not living up to her own expectations she’s hurting herself. I wish she’d stop and take care of herself.
She loves making music also. I just wish she won't overdo and have proper and adequate rest.
I love how you’re both are stopping and critiquing the video and then when you press play again both just grooving and bobbing to the songs. It’s great
shinigami45 you read the title stop being slow
Such a fair and kind analysis of her voice. Very professional! As a lamb i don't feel offended by ur diagnosis of Mariah lol 😊 hopefully she gets a great coach and starts to sing more confidently again!
Mariah:
Can do whistle until C#7 with her nodules
Me:
Without nodules and can't even do High belt😂
😂 I know.
Same! 😂😂😂
A high belt is harder than whistle notes '-'
The C#7 was actually pre-recorded (all the other whistles were live)
Plus she has a F7 in her latest album (2018)
@Xcuze Only Mariah's whistles sounds pleasant and its fascinating how she can do it.
Can you guys do a vocal Analysis of her voice from when she debuted and through out her career and now
That'll be amazing!! Please make a video like this Sam!
Bryden Niedermann yes!!!
Great idea! This would be an awesome video!!
I'll watch that!
This one sam! Please
Wow great green screening Sam! You should win an Oscar for best editing or something
Amber I agree! 😊
for real! top notch stuff!
If Marc's lighting was a little lighter, I wouldn't have even noticed haha
I was thinking why does he loom weird? Then I realized he was on a green screen
I was so confused 😂 like why was he looking straight ahead instead of the teacher😂
I totally believe her voice is damaged. I know every single song by her by heart and I know her voice. I love her and always will.🥰 I'll buy her music until the end. Love you til the end of time 😊🤗
She has had a damgex voice since she was a child just got worse cause of promotion, touring, her catalogue and drinking.
omg I love you for loving MC 🥰
@@alucardmorningstar2296 I told my boss if anything happens to her, I will not be at work the next day. 🤩
It’s not damaged as such it’s mostly her nodules preventing her
Yes me too...i know every song from the very first...vision of love...i was also 19 as Mariah was 20 when she started out. She will be 50 and has sang for halfa century....not too shabby...she isa loving legend
How long did it take you guys to realize that Marc's head isn't twice the size of Sam's, that they are in fact in different locations?
😂
Immediately. Lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Too long... Lol
😂 I struggled for like first half of the video then realised
Oh I love Mariah and that crack hurt my heart! As a semi-professional singer I can hear her struggle. I have heard her do those songs live with a much cleaner sound.
Yes. She was just very nervous. In an interview she was even very confused as to why people in the Awards show expect much from her. She doesnt really think of herself as that BIG
art us yeah, she’s super nervous as she doesn’t think she is that goood. But I’d say she pretends to the people around her that she’s fine and doesn’t learn how to fix it
@@bobturner2312 She knows how to fix it. All of her 2018 and 2019 Caution tour performances are good. She was just very nervous and tense here. All the lambs were very excited to see her perform because she's been sounding so great live on her new tour, i think Mariah was excited too. She ended up being disappointed in herself after this performance and even said she hated it.
She's 49 and her voice is a bit damage because she overworked. And she has vocal nodules. Whitney did the same thing bend with drugs.
Watch her critically acclaimed tour in Asia last year she did great. Caution Tour too that currently rolling she still got it.
I was 2-3 minutes in before I realized this was a green screen overlay, well done
Deflated Hypnotist waitttt? They’re not in the same room?
Mariposa different lighting situations.
I was trying to figure out what was going on with this video. Thank you. Makes so much sense.
Lol at the beginning, you can clearly see that Marc's arm is cut off 😄
I mean, I knew right away. I'm also on a laptop, so waving cursor around, I can see a little video clip being played beforehand. But it did take me 10 seconds to really see XD
Does this physically hurt as much as it sounds like it does?
Lea as someone who had nodules, YES. It hurt to breathe, it hurt to sing, it hurt to be awake.
I don’t know how she’s done it. I guess after so many years, the pain feels normal.
Lea yes vocal nodules does hurt most of the time and how do I know? Well, I have nodules myself!
When Mariah first came out she was unstoppable. Even if you didn't like her music, you couldn't dispute her talent. Her Butterfly CD is my personal favorite and has some of the most heartfelt emotional songs that you could literally *FEEL* not just hear. Listening to her was like therapy. Her skills were ridiculous and a complete "experience" to hear. ❤️❤️
There’s fan footage of her saying she hated her performance 😢. Also she’s literally in the midst of a tour, she sings beautifully night after night, here she sounds terrified and strained to the gawds. 😔
About her whistles. Mariah says when she was very young she would wake up in the mornings not being able to talk(nodules?) but she figured out that she could squeak talk (whistles register?) And that’s how she figured out she could make her voice go that high and started incorporating into her singing.
Please analyze her voice when she was younger, like 1990-1998. I’d like to hear from professionals the transition of vocal quality between the musicbox and the daydream eras and then between daydream to butterfly eras
lolrachie1 there was definitely damage between Daydream and Butterfly. Butterfly was obviously recorded during Tokyo Day Dream era. Because of how close Butterfly studio sound is compared to Tokyo dome live performances. Listen to I Don’t Wanna Cry at Tokyo Dome and you can hear similarities to “Outside” (Butterfly) and similar ease of belts and technique she was using.
My only guess is she was stressed and might haven been drinking and shouting a lot at her ex husband tommy around the end of 1996.
Her performance of Hero on Oprah really shocked me in 1997.
It sounded nothing like Daydream era...
@@jphuwae4505 She started making butterfly in early 1997, and Daydream era was already finished in that time
Lucas Bany ok if that is true, it’s a little strange that Butterfly Studio sounds a lot like Daydream vocals, but her live version of the songs sounds raspier and deeper when she performed them in 1997.
@@jphuwae4505 Maybe it's the effect of her nodules, that is why her voice is inconsistent
She sounds like this constantly... on tour or not. Especially for a legend like Mariah
*To be honest:* We also have to keep in mind that she's been singing around her vocal nodules for over 4 decades with nearly 3 of those decades being full of unbelievably difficult songs and she's still singing around them here, however they've gotten worse over time that it's harder to sing around them like she used to (plus age). Also, it's obvious that she's incredibly nervous because of all the ridicule she's received in recent years. Plus the level of "snatchation" of her waist is probably restricting her breathing. I agree with the point you guys made about *Mariah* not putting in as much effort in continuing to train her voice.
Indeed👏👏👏
snatchation lol
Corseting wont change her vocal techniques. It will just make you change your ability of power and sustainability.
People believe a lot of 100 year old myths about them.
@@raprilc2 Sustaining notes has to do with breath control so my point still stands 😊
GarageStudio technique is the reason she's having problems. She's beating up her vocal cords. This why she has the nodules. Corsetry actually makes sustaining notes easier. Like I said...there is a lot of myths about corsets.
"She's out of balance with force and flow." truer words were never spoken.
“Oh this is definitely live...” 👀👀
Hahaha!
I loved this, you guys had such a balanced approach with empathy and criticism.
I agree, they speak like the professionals they are
A fact: her voice has wicked over time.
Another fact: she is tied to hers amazingly difficult songs from her golden age.
Another fact: nodles and oversing in a almost 30 years.
And Mariah still is there singing and giving the best to perform.
It’s a almost 50 years-old-women, DAMMM SHE IS A LEGEND 👸
Fábio Engroff yeah I agreed, it’s seems so unbelievable hard to be singing the songs she nailed so easy when she was on top.
I just don’t think there’s any necessity that getting a bit older should mean a destroyed voice, when it could just just as easily mean increased mastery.
I agree she somewhat set herself up for....disappointment in her later years. She has had nods since... Well, the get. Maybe she didn't think she'd have a 30 year career, but at some point in the 90s she's gotta realize she's never gonna be a "nobody". Take care of your voice.
I totally agree. I wish she'd take care of her voice and herself. And from reading some of the comments people think you are ripping her apart and you're not. It comes from a place of concern.
She has bipolar. You can't fix it, just manage.
Trylica they didn’t mean in her mental health, they meant her vocal health. Her bipolar is very relevant to her overall health, but her technique vocally has been damaging for years, and she needs to take care of her voice, she’s 50 years old, her voice is in such a different place than it was in the 90’s, and she needs to try to find what’s best for it now. I’m sure her disorder is a contributing factor, but having a mental illness doesn’t mean you’re incapable of doing things for your betterment, it means you have to work a little harder to do so.
Mariah had nodules since her childhood. It wasn’t because of her technique, but singing so much aggravated it for sure.
Bad nerves, criticism & nodules are def factors. Watch her Vegas performances 🔥
@@nh2201 yea lick his ass moron
💯 and I think that corset she is wearing too. 💜💜💜
P N hello again hater
"P e N is" loves to come onto Mariah videos on youtube and spew his bullshit.
Finally someone with study and knowledge, and not just a fan among comments. Thank you for this video.
JC-ADAMS I agree. This is so thorough and really informative. Hope she sees this.
@bambino pequeño Jesus Christ dude. Is she your mama or something bc you're riding hard in these comments.
She needs to hire them both 24/7 be humble and willing to accept criticism
I think they're both mean spirited homosexuals and that's why you connect with their statements.
@bambino pequeño butthurt!!! sorry booo, but she really need it and you too bitch
"She truly has some of the best songs" Yass we love a lowkey stan!
Marc has the most kind and warm presence! he speaks so concisely and respectfully, what a wonderful guest on your channel Sam. hope to see more of him :)
A very long reaction video but very good analysis though
Well she struggles a lot with performance anxiety especially after her New Years performance so like she is by no means comfortable up on that stage. I know she has suffered from nodules unfortunately. These types of performances are not easy for her and I hope that people can understand and see that, but also see that she is not as young as she used to be. Her voice is going to change with age and not everyone is the same. One singer might sound the same as they did when they were 20, some might sound better, and some may get worse it is what happens to the human body as we age.
Her performance anxiety began way before NY performance. She started getting anxious, irritable and rambling since Idol 2013 era
And this is exactly what they are saying in this video. She's making exhausting and damaging technical errors because she's constantly trying to force her current voice to match her past voice. Their advice to her is to break the loop, accept the change, and use her technique properly to ease up and produce a cleaner performance with her current voice as it is, and stop struggling with herself.
@@christianbarnay2499Yes but she doesn't always sound like this, this is a public performance, she sounds so different when it's just her and her fans in an arena. She is not comfortable doing these kinds of performances, she's nervous, and anxious.
She's been diagnosed as Bi-polar, She isn't taking care of herself. Vocally or mentally. A voice lasts as long as you take care of it.
Christian Barnay Very true, but as we all know Mariah is quite stubborn. She will never listen to any advice cos she knows more about everything musically. I guess she will keep fxcking up her voice to relive her glory days which I hope doesnt get more damaged in the future. Maybe one day, she will find the strength to accept what she’s vocally capable of.
Her voice is very rare, not a lot of people born with great vocal range will have nodules in the exact right spot to make her able to sing this way.
Our queen was so so nervous :( She also does have vocal nodules and she just got done with the US leg of her caution world tour. Thanks for the analysis!
I really liked this review you both provided of her performance. As a true fan of Mariah, I am saddened by the current quality of her voice. But your review was extremely informative and helped me better understand what is going on with her voice. I also appreciate how encouraging and positive you were regardless of her vocal cracks and flat notes. As a singer myself, we can be our own harshest critic and I really hope Mariah can find a vocal coach that will motivate her to improve her technique and build up her confidence so that she can deliver better live performances. I know the 80-90's Mariah is gone, but I would rather have a mature sounding 21st century Mariah than her trying to recreate a sound that is not possible with the voice she has now.
1. MC came out in 1990. 2. So, then what did you think of "Portrait", then?
Shes only been singing since 1990.
Teria Walters yes loved this vid too!! As a non professional musician but fan I wanted to know what was wrong bc I still find her perfect.... you guys are very professional with the explained details
@@Neen71 Only? Girl if you're very demanding in the business, even with extreme vocal care it would take a toll. Most especially if we consider the fact that she's had them nodules since she was little. Did you even watch the video or just came here and started commenting and replying to ppl? lol
"I don't know her!" @ 27:40. Sam doesn't realize he just quoted a famous Mariah line! Love it!
Oh...he knew what he was doing. A bit of fan service for those in the know, delivered with the appropiate lowkey shade. Mariah would be proud.
you guys have have to react to her vocals on her recent tour !! she was nervous here so her fullest potential wasn't reached !
Having had nodules, I feel for her. I got really sick and was singing a lot. 4 months of no talking , lots of rest, and water managed to heal them without surgery. Luckily I caught them early and was able to heal them. I wouldn't wish them on anyone. I definitely take care of my vocal chords now.
When the doctor said "When you're on stage, you deserve respect" SHE DIDN'T HAVE IT FOR 4 YEARS BEFORE 2019 :( Her confidence is gone :(
EXACTLY!!!
She said it herself in an interview that she wants fans to see a more relaxed performance she had just got off tour and her kids birthday party from the previous day if you listen to her perform these songs from like last year at the iheart musice festival or on her tour you wouldn't be disappointed i promise you
I think if she gets herself a good vocal coach she could probably restore a lot of her voice. I was watching a video where Whitney’s vocal coach(Gary Catona) said Whitney could have gotten 85% of her voice back if she stopped smoking. When he first met her in 2005 she had no voice completely gone and only had 1 audible note to her voice. But as he worked with her he got her voice back close to the Just Whitney era(2003) It’s sad some of greatest singers don’t take care of there voices. Aretha is another example who didn’t take care of her voice. Although it did get better in the 90’s then what it did in the 80’s!
Whitney could have gotten 85% of her voice back? Now that truly is a fantasy. What a shame, that girl really had it all. Stunningly tragic.
Porcelain1 it’s actually not a fantasy at all. Anything is possible. She had no voice in 2005 at all. It was a miracle that he was able to restore half of her voice. If you are a Whitney fan and seen her on bet 2005 her voice was extremely hoarse. If you listen to her song family first in 2006 you would see that her voice did come back a lot. It was closer to the My love is your love era. All she had to do was quit smoking. Then in 2010 she relapsed causing her voice more damage.
@@whitneyfan9019 Her last album was what emphysema sounds like. Permanent damage. Shame all the way around.
Porcelain1 that’s your opinion. Her last album sounded no different from her 2003 album. Permanent damage is NOT being able to sing at all. Only thing I do agree with you on is the damage she did to her voice.
@@whitneyfan9019 I just listened to a snippet of the 2003 album than a snippet of the last album she recorded. Her whole tone is noticeably lower and much more smoky. Also, the finesse of going from one note to another is slower.
This was an excellent, detailed video surrounding Mariah. Honest analysis, nothing going oh it's just a bad day (well perhaps) but there's more to it. Whenever I hear her, I wonder what's going on with her voice. She has such a great range, and Mariah in her prime was something to behold, yet over time I can't imagine it would ALWAYS be sustainable..... many of her performances I have heard over the years have been underwhelming, but that's not to say she isn't good. So many things go into each performance and everyone has good and or bad days. Definitely energy level is low here, but still killing those whistles. :)
Given her wealth of vocal control, I would be interested how you anazlyze someone like Celine, who has also had to adjust her vocals over time. Is she doing her voice justice in your eyes? Certain notes seem less attainable, but again with time passing it's expected. Plus ALL the shows these two do must be killer!
They are the epitome of divas, and rightfully so....well earned titles!
Love the vids :)
She’s been dragged by the media countless times she’s lost confidence and she’s been having nodules since even before she started in 1990. She was born with them and threw out the years they had been deteriorating but she’s still got it. She’s also in her Caution World Tour (2019) plus she still is gonna have another tour/shows this Christmas Season in her All I Want For Christmas Is You Tour and and is returning back in February (2020) to her Residency in Vegas the Butterfly Returns. So she’s got hella of performances and if you could imagine the SETLISTS *faints*
Ppl don't think about that when it comes to her voice that is so sad Mariah still got it and we can see it by her first the butterfly returns residency all she needs is rest for her voice and we can remember at the 2014 christmas tour she dident talk or do anything with her voice for like a Month and when she sang its like daydreamRiah came out of her so rest is the key for her voice
xo Rock so true she needs time to rest more, sleep more, and I wished she wouldn’t drink as much because that can also deteriorate her voice more.
@@emanuelmorales3472 that's true
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LMAO!She was BORN with nodules...are you actually being serious when you wrote that? Babies are not born with the nodules Mariah is clearly suffering from. Throughout the years the nodules have been deteriorating? Nodules are not like acne...they don't clear up and come back at will. They need to be removed surgically. Did you even LISTEN to their critique? Especially the doctor's..they both laid on the line exactly what appears to be her problem. But you're a LAMB..so much like Cleopatra...Queen of DE-NIAL!
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Mariah is usually her own worst critic, she is known to be a perfectionist, she looks annoyed at her own voice.. But even when her voice is not at the top of her game she still better then most popstars. But as a fan, it is scary because she was known for. Sounding better live than on recording, I just hope she gets to sing for many years to come.
I saw her in concert in Vegas about a year and a half ago. She had some issues at the beginning not sounding as polished and kind of played it safe initially. After half way through, she found her stride and hit her whistle register. Most amazing concert and so many memories of singing her songs growing up. Love your concern for her and her voice.
Thank you for this honest and technical analysis. I enjoyed it. 😊
I'm supposed to be studying but here I am. God dammit
hh hh....please do not use such words ..this is NOT an appropriate reply to this video and never should be said...
hh hh these vids shall help you pass 😭🤣
If you’re studying voice, you’re on the right vocal track get it?! 🤷♀️🤗
It me
Crystal Driscoll bitch shut up
obviously i love how positive sam is. but what i also love is how positive the comments on his videos are as well! he's creating a really nice nook of youtubedom, i think that's so cool.
When I had a pseudo cyst, I was able to whistle tone & sing very low, but unable to sing very well in my normal register. I honestly believe that she has always had some form of nodes that have enabled her to sing so high, however, as the nodes have hardened with age, her normal register is struggling a lot more. Her voice sounds extremely like mine before I had surgery & voice therapy.
The fatigue and hoarseness I hear in her singing hurts my heart. If I were in her shoes, probably would have left the stage afterward and cried endlessly.
It's so sad how insecure she seems to be. Being able to relate to that myself, my heart really goes out to her.
You guys are so honest, yet also encouraging. You don't just tear her down. You sympathize. That's important--crucial in music to lift one another up, not be intimidating and arrogant, which is, sadly, what I've experienced. I wish more musicians were as kind as the two of you.
She is older and has nodules and just came off a 24 City tour weeks prior
She has nodules. You can hear in the rasp of her voice
Galaxy Universe sometimes rasp is due to vocal scarring from overuse too. Thats when the outside of the folds aren’t as soft and don’t connect as much.
@@FXMSPreview Yeah true but those are the factors that have vocal nodules.
She need to stop drinking all that
champagne darling! Lol😁
@@galaxyuniverse5769 They acknowledged her nodules in this video.
Sunshine idk why y’all think Mariah is some alcoholic. She isn’t and you’d have no proof of her being one. A singer can enjoy a glass of wine one in awhile and it won’t affect their voice at all lmao. She’s got nodules. She ALWAYS has. I don’t get why there’s a question. She’s had them since her debut and she’s never gotten them removed, she herself has confirmed this.
I feel sad for her:( But at least she doesn’t give up, so for that I have much respect.
I'd LOVE to hear your analysis on Amy Winehouse from her early jazz days to her more hiphop soul era.
I’m so happy you brought up that this has nothing to do with her musicianship! You both hit the nail on the head that it is most likely vocal fatigue and/or damage that she can work through and come back from it 👍🏻👏
Nobody ever gives her credit when she has these performances right after a tour. Tours really wear down your voice and she probably just needs a little break as well. But congratulations Mariah for pulling through and doing it live. I enjoyed your performance!
right! they only make videos about her bad performances. it pisses me off.
Such a great analysis! Honestly I think a lot of it was related to stage fright too, she started having trouble with that unfortunately. Also maybe the tight corsets she uses make it difficult for her to breathe properly?
Honestly I'm not a Mariah fan, but I really do hope she gets better, because she clearly is very very talented!
Do you have a video on the adverse effects of drinking, smoking & the most damaging voice practices AND the importance of hydration? Thanks!
Also lack of sleep and mental health issues 🙏🏼
I think another detail that wasn't mentioned here is that she is vacuum sealed into a corset during this performance. So, not only is her voice not in the best condition in general, she's literally struggling to breathe at all. What do you think, Sam? I'm not educated like you, and would love to get training from you, so to hear what you think about how breathing affects things on top of any damage would really be interesting to hear.
Celine Dion has custom made dresses for singing in a good shape
Go watch her Caution world tour she sounds alot better. She was just nervious here.
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Galaxy Universe exactly
She is super nervous here
sorry but she is not amateur to be nervous on a performance. She is nervous because she knows she can't sing the way she used to, and it's been like that for many years now.
@@vanessaruiz4705 stfu you clearly hating the woman so you can go now.
@@vanessaruiz4705 She lost confidence because of the people like you who are salty just because shes better than you.
Thank you for this amazing analysis!! You're both so pro!
Thanks for doing this review with respect
Don’t forget she just got off Caution tour. She drinks a lot too. She is getting older. There are so many factors here. Her nodules that she has confirmed she had.
It seems like she a) doesn't take care of her instrument like she should, and b) might not care all that much about keeping it pristine.
@@frostedsilver Shes been doing this for 30 years imagine doing the same thing trying to keep your voice always in check by having a vocal routine... It would definitely get tiring trying to have the same routine over and over for 30 years...
Lets have wines with our idol
*has
@@zalenahquaddy4354 As they pointed out, she would actually have had to change up her routine over the years, as her voice aged. Also, as someone who trained as a singer for many, many years, keeping my voice healthy and in practice wasn't something I ever found a chore. If she's in pain, or tired of singing, she has the freedom to stop whenever she wants, but it's clear she loves performing. I think she'd have a lot more confidence if she worked on some of these issues. She'd be able to trust her voice a lot more, for one.
I saw her in February of this year and she sounded pretty great. Her voice was pretty strong and she was hitting her notes decently. (But full disclaimer: there were 2 or 3 instances of lip-syncing but the majority of the performance wasn’t). But this BBMA performance you could tell she was nervous and possibly choking a little due to that. And you guys make a great point that she might not prioritize her voice that high nowadays. Her kids come first as she’s said in previous interviews (Still I’m proud of her! I love her so much!)
(Also Sam please consider doing a Best of Mariah Carey vocals compilations like you did with Beyoncé and Lady Gaga!)
The sustained hero belt was lipped.
@@uchihaitachi5905 nope it wasnt didnt sound like it or why else would taylor(front row) react like that?????
@@russyraiwalui5851 That sustained belt in Hero has been lipsynched 90% of the time for at least 6 years. It sounds exactly the same EVERY time - even the frequency of the vibrato. It's not crtiticism, just observation. To the average listener/fan (Taylor Swift) it is convincing enough to sound live, especially as the run leading up to it where she sings: 'in time you'll find' is normally live. Try listening to her Hero performances in Ceasars, the sustained note is exactly the same every time.
@@uchihaitachi5905 if she could belt the climax in wbt why not hero in this performance? Just an observation...
@@russyraiwalui5851 I don't think its a question of her not being able to hit the note - she can - its well within her current belting range. I thinks its a case of her not having the vocal power or resonance to deliver it how she used to. That being said I think even with her current voice she could still do it justice, she's just a perfectionist so probably won't. Just because you can hit a note doesn't necessarily mean it sounds good. Theres so many performances with her later voice where she sings the note fully live (1999 - 2012).
I feel like I dont even know what signing is when i hear you 2 talk lol
Thank you for making these videos! This is super interesting interesting, as are all of your videos! I hear what you're saying about her phonation - we talked about healthy vs unhealthy phonations and sounds in my vocal pedagogy class last year and it's really informative to hear examples. When you point it out, it's almost like a pedagogy refresher. For example, I definitely heard her pressing quite a bit, but any time she goes out of mode I into mode II, it's clear and agile, which makes me think she doesn't currently have nodes or at least only has the beginnings of nodes rather than full-on permanent damage.
I think she does have damage but it can get better if she gets rest and some voice therapy.
She was very nervous during this performance. You should watch her recent performances during the Caution tour where she's more relaxed and sounded amazing!!
@@nh2201 exactly and the fact that mariah did it live
@@nh2201 not true at all, all of the songs have live parts to it, and only SOME lines of the climaxes are lipped
@@nh2201 have u been to the show? i don't think so.... she sings many songs 100% live like A No No, Vision of Love, Hero, You Don't Know What To Do, Emotions etc. and when she does lip, she only lips a note or a phrase of a song.
@@nh2201 the delusion omg
She has nodules since little, just want to point that. I would love if she could practice regularly with a vocal coach. Sam, would you coach her?
My two favorite CZcams voice teachers! Arguably the two most skilled and knowledgeable voice teachers on CZcams. Love them both. I always learn something new from both. Fangirling!
Hi guys! just loved the love and honesty you both put into this reaction to her performance. It showed you are both fans also, as most of us here are. Love also that we can say when something is not all that good without people reacting and attacking back. Hope Mariah can get the help she needs so we can have her around for many many years more. Thanks again for a great vid.
I love watching these videos Sam Johnson, the collaborations between two professionals. I feel like I'm in a masterclass. I know some of your audience complains about all the talking but they should F* off and watch the video content by itself before watching your commentary videos. Your videos are so useful and engaging. Keep it up maaaaaan
Thank you Sam for being very objective and fair with your reaction and analysis. :)
Man you guys are so informative! This is awesome!!
I appreciate this video and the respect you gave. I was wondering about her myself since her newer music is much less dynamic in terms of vocal pitch, tone and sound. She will always be one of the greatest, and I hope she doesn't forget that!
I feel like he should watch a performance from Mariah from the caution tour (2019) she sounds so much better during concert
Yes definitely or the my all performance of late 2018
Gaby S Yes! But honestly he can pick any concert performance from 2018 and 2019 and she will sound better than she does here
Me too
I LOVE that you're so generous and not a basher or unkind in the way you give honest analysis. It definitely makes me as a singer want to work with you. And as someone who shares that outlook that "getting up onstage deserves respect" and that voices require constant care and practice, I truly appreciate how devasted you and Marc seem at the decline of Mariah's voice and how empathetic you are at her struggle. That's genuine, and makes me feel like you truly care about her and her voice and vocal health.
I have question about her well known use of corsets. wouldn't they make things that much ore difficult. She sounds like she's really struggling with her breath in this performance. I mean I had a two-hour gig at a posh place the other night and had to wear a pretty fancy dress, and thought hey, I'll wear some spanx cause it makes the silhouette look nice. I kid you not, in the break I had to strip those things off. They weren't even crazy tight but they felt quite constricting and I couldn't lift and expand my ribcage or engage my core the way I'm accustomed and it just made me work that much harder, even with good technique. I wasn't hoarse and didn't really suffer any ill effects but it was truly exhausting to sing wearing that control garment. And Mariah wears really tight corsets!
I believe her only problem is self confidence...Mariah Carey is a very gifted soul but she focuses too much on her looks...She should get rid of the corset and work,work,work.She needs to breath.
Because folks ripped her for being fat.
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I think sheeeee is soo sexy but needed to take that corset off
She seemed uncomfortable which made me uncomfortable watching.
I’m a massive Mariah fan but there’s a combination of things what have led to the somewhat decline of her voice over the years. Smoking, excessive drinking, not warming up, not taking enough time out after demanding concerts to rest/heal her voice, over-singing, & finally age. She can still sing but It’s like with any Instruments there’s going to wear & tear over the years.
She doesn’t smoke and drinking only affects the voice when you drink a lot. She likes partying and having a glass of champagne yes, but i don’t think she drinks to the point where it would damage her voice tbh
She only smoked a few times when she was a teenager, but it affected her voice so she never did it again
Gaby S she actually excessively drank for years. Her brother, sister, and several people that have worked with her have said that she drinks a lot.
Or just the fact that naturally woman’s voices change after the age of 30 ish - 40 which is why most classically trained female singers retire so young.... oh and “””Nodules”” over-singing? smoking? I don’t see that for Mariah, and ( occasionally drinking now effects the voice? ) nope I don’t see that either literally, age, nodules, and nerves that’s all I see is the problem
Tribal Deity you don’t see it- because you’re choosing not to. This is the combined effects of years of exhaustion, over-touring, improper or no warm ups, alcohol consumption. Her breath control is almost gone. Her agility is drastically reduced. She has had a drinking problem in her past. Her own brother said it was excessive- as well as people who have worked with her.
She looks unenergized because she is always nervous in these performances and she knows how significant her change of vocals are. She is scared that people will be like “oh no she doesnt sound like daydreamriah now she’s ugly she lost her voice”. Like stop hatin people, she is off her prime and is still singing
@Leo, Only the worst people would say that someone is "ugly" they don't count and should be ignored. If Mariah already knows that her voice has changed then her songs should be rearranged to fit what she's working with now. I wouldn't "blame" her for that. I think she's be more comfortable then worrying about how she can't sing like she used to. Not many people when they age sound the same, she's human.
Hatin?? They're telling her to go see a doctor! They probably care more about her than you do.
Sur-Gee-O Read my comment again, then comprehend. You’re welcome.
@@surgeeo1406 well she regularly goes to voice doctors, but they are not miracle workers. She still tours too much, the damage keeps getting worse with age and is probably too afraid to risk removing them finally. Stop pretending like she's lazy or clueless, maybe this is the best she can do.
@@ocandro How about... retiring, getting treatment, then returning after how long it'll take? Nothing she can do, how clueless are you?
I loved this can you do more of these in depths w Marc?
21:08 goes to Ireland for a show days later and slays everybody’s existence and did random extra whistles hit high notes effortlessly!!!! ❤️❤️❤️