Down-Country Vs Trail Full Suspension Mountain Bikes | What’s The Difference & What’s Right For You?

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  • Mountain biking loves a label (and doesn't, in equal measure) but with the emergence of the longer, slacker and more capable cross country bikes that aren't as burly as their trail bike brethren, the time is right to explore the topic - and its various labels. In this video, Henry and Neil explain what a 'Down Country' bike is exactly, and how it differs from a trail bike (and, of course, a pure cross country bike), and what bike they think is best for them.
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  • @gmbn
    @gmbn  Před 4 lety +22

    What do you think about the emergence of the 'Down Country' bike? What sort of bike is right for you? Let us know 👇

    • @pabloismybigdad2638
      @pabloismybigdad2638 Před 4 lety +3

      Global Mountain Bike Network seems like a new model of a short travel trail bike to me, not much difference

    • @lcc8394
      @lcc8394 Před 4 lety +1

      i own www.evanscycles.com/cannondale-habit-5-2018-mountain-bike-EV308165 it's 2 years old and sold pretty much as a down country bike, i've fitted a dropper, carbon bars/ stem, front mudguard and it's a down coutry beast.... great for a pre work single track shred and can still rip on the trails at the weekend

    • @Awesomo12000
      @Awesomo12000 Před 4 lety +5

      Had to look and make sure it wasn't April fools day, you guys are a few days early.

    • @richardsteele-gray7473
      @richardsteele-gray7473 Před 4 lety +4

      It's right for me, got the new trek top fuel. Trail bike to heavy and xc not fun enough on the downs. My obsession now is making the bike even lighter.

    • @stevenjansen5283
      @stevenjansen5283 Před 3 lety +5

      Been riding a downcountry since 2015, just beefed an XC up to 120 mm travel and some other tweaks. Been lmao since, the bloody thing does all...

  • @user-tg6tf4ny2o
    @user-tg6tf4ny2o Před 4 lety +323

    The next mtb genre's:
    Downtrail
    Downallmountain
    Upenduro
    Updownhill

    • @McLambo
      @McLambo Před 4 lety +41

      Updownhill... Lmao!

    • @etooamill9528
      @etooamill9528 Před 4 lety +13

      @@McLambo Is when you go up hill with the help of gravity

    • @illuforce
      @illuforce Před 4 lety +17

      Up enduro sounds kind of cool where its enduro but all time sections are uphill.

    • @dillandouglas7176
      @dillandouglas7176 Před 4 lety

      Андрей Иванович no

    • @venz5179
      @venz5179 Před 4 lety +3

      i would add "reversed freeride"

  • @Monkey_slapping_keys
    @Monkey_slapping_keys Před 4 lety +183

    So it's a trail bike with....... A trail bike.

  • @screew708
    @screew708 Před 4 lety +58

    I feel like now that enduro bikes have become almost as capable as downhill bikes with up to 180mm of travel, trail bikes have become the enduro bikes of yesterday with 140-160mm of travel. So now those 120-130mm travel trail bikes from 2-3 years ago have basically just been improved and renamed to "down country" bikes.

  • @MrScrofulous
    @MrScrofulous Před 4 lety +26

    That forest is stunning !!

  • @scubaeb
    @scubaeb Před 3 lety +11

    This is so fun to watch. I started with mtb in the 90's to stay fit for Moto. I am old! We had so little to choose from. The bike I kept the longest was a Specialized Chumpjumper circa 2003. That bike got multiple forks, shocks, brakes, and suspensions linkages. We made everything ourselves trying to build Enduro bikes before there were Enduro bikes. Fast forward to old status. Sold the Demo9 (no, not Demo8), the hardtail and broke the Stump Jumper and I find the 2014 Trance SX. It was best of everything. Almost. New brakes, wheels, fork, shock, 1x12,......... Now it does it all, for this beaten body. Three bikes in one and it climbs with 160mm! I love the bike. Then I get my wife the Trek EX8 XT. Wow! What a bike in stock form.
    Point is, embrace all these labels. Embrace the tech. You guys now have so many options that are so much better than anything we could ever dream of. The industry is so fun right now. You can buy so much off the shelf. Don't hate new. Try it. Bomb it. Climb it all. You lucky bastards!

  • @TooMuchBike
    @TooMuchBike Před 4 lety +52

    "Down Country" Okay y'all just making stuff up now....
    j/k but really, the MTB industry creates labels for niche biking for one reason only: sales. You have a dedicated enduro bike, a dedicated trail bike, well of course you need a Down Country bike!!!

    • @garytomas1757
      @garytomas1757 Před 3 lety

      It didn't need a new name. Lots of people set up their XC bikes like this depending on where you're riding. It's not a new thing.

    • @Paulklampeeps
      @Paulklampeeps Před 3 lety

      Most xc racers are using downcountry tho. I think they still should call in an xc bike

  • @brettgoodwin6052
    @brettgoodwin6052 Před 4 lety +49

    After years as a roadie, just bought a cube hardtail C62 reaction and loving the mtb world, friendly people, know idea what catagory my bike is or care, just enjoying it 😍 had all this niche bike nonsense in the roadie world

    • @williamgalloway4798
      @williamgalloway4798 Před 4 lety +1

      Nice bike mate. That's a trail hardtail and a good choice. My good friend has the Cube Reaction Pro TM and loves it. That's a very capable bike, there's not much it couldn't do.

    • @Basement_CNC
      @Basement_CNC Před 4 lety +5

      @@williamgalloway4798 No it's a xcRace hardtale the reaction tm is the trail hardtale

    • @mtblover
      @mtblover Před 4 lety +2

      Stunning bike. Pity that Cube does not get more exposure. They have amazing bikes.

  • @anthonykelly6619
    @anthonykelly6619 Před 4 lety +40

    Its a great idea but I ended up with a pure xc bike that I will stick a dropper on. I was actually eyeing up the orbea oiz TR The problem is I think 90% of riders are actually overbiked and dont even realise how capable xc bikes are now, have you seen recent elite level XCO tracks? Over then the twitchy head angle I find most of the geo and travel on an XC bike pretty damn capable.

  • @DanRoddy
    @DanRoddy Před 4 lety +86

    "Ohhh, for crissake, Neil, you're going to give me a migraine."
    Henry delivers the best line on GMBN in years.

  • @Pienimusta
    @Pienimusta Před 4 lety +116

    Especially when compared to something not so aggressive trail bike like Neuron, with 130mm suspension, can't really see a difference.
    Just new marketing gimmick?

    • @ronaldtartaglia4459
      @ronaldtartaglia4459 Před 4 lety +3

      Yes it is my friend....lol yes it is.

    • @casualgamervids
      @casualgamervids Před 4 lety +3

      Exactly, my Whyte hardtail is 120mm travel. The model has been going a few years and i would consider it a trail bike from the geometry. Its hardly a new idea but I guess they have to try make new categories look like they are being innovative.

    • @screew708
      @screew708 Před 4 lety +12

      It's just that trail bikes have been pushed into enduro territory so they need a fresh name for those shorter travel trail bikes.

    • @smokedsalmon3907
      @smokedsalmon3907 Před 4 lety +11

      Seriously, cross country is 100mm or below with different geometry. Once you go to 120mm with a bit more progressive style, it's a trail bike. And probably up until about 140mm when you start getting into the light Enduro/aggressive trail. Down country is just part of the lower travel spectrum of trail bikes and is unnecessary.

    • @rolux4853
      @rolux4853 Před 3 lety

      Smoked Salmon I don’t think the bikes are unnecessary, in fact they are great for me, since I want a really poppy and playful trailbike, which can jump every little root and stone!
      But what’s really unnecessary is a new term for it.
      It’s a traditional trail bike and nothing else.
      The „modern“ trail bikes just got more and more suspension travel and became enduro bikes.

  • @robin1987100
    @robin1987100 Před 4 lety +71

    the difference is one has a silly name?

    • @rupedog
      @rupedog Před 4 lety +12

      Which one, Neil or Henry?😋😂

  • @area4race
    @area4race Před 4 lety +22

    You need a GravelBike and an EnduroBike. You get the Range from Street to Bikepark covering also fireroad, light trail, day trips, enduro stages.
    The 120/130mm class was always there, slightly above xc, nothing new.

    • @joanetmontserrat702
      @joanetmontserrat702 Před 4 lety

      area4race The problem is you cannot race nothing serious with these two bikes.

    • @MrTheSkiper
      @MrTheSkiper Před 4 lety +1

      I agree, best combo if you want cover everything. If you want to be top in one category then you need more specific bike.

  • @AntiProPHO
    @AntiProPHO Před 4 lety +37

    So my trusty 2016 Trek Fuel EX8 that I've fitted with a wider bar, shorter stem, bigger rotors and a 1x is now a hip down country bike :)) ok then.

    • @nc_mtbmedic1399
      @nc_mtbmedic1399 Před 4 lety

      Nope a trail bike...my superfly with 100mm front travel and 2.4 new xr3 tires is a down country.. my fuel ex8 is still a trail bike...

  • @timmyboy525
    @timmyboy525 Před 4 lety +6

    Amazing cinematography here guys feels super slick and professional...Those straight down drone shots where so nice!

  • @RawburtPurez
    @RawburtPurez Před 4 lety +2

    I just want to say THANK YOU for choosing an Orbea for this video. There are not many videos on it and I'm glad YOU GUYS actually posted one!

  • @nerdexproject
    @nerdexproject Před 4 lety +4

    Interesting topics wonderfully presented and stunningly edited!
    This is GMBN! ❤

  • @melwalshmtb9121
    @melwalshmtb9121 Před 4 lety +34

    Honestly, I think if you want one bike to do it all I think personally you should consider a trail bike around 140mm to 150mm. I have a 2019 Specialized Stumpjumper Evo Comp 29er and it has a 140mm frame with a 150mm fork and it is really good for everything, especially on the downhills. It's super slack (63.5°,which is the same as the new Demo 29 and 64°in the trail mode which I prefer as the bb is quite low in the slack position, even though 64° is still very slack), 29x2.6inch tyres paired with 4 pot, 200mm Sram Code R's. So it's safe to say I love trail bikes

    • @cspr1329
      @cspr1329 Před 4 lety +9

      I totally agree with you! I got an Orbea Occam 2020 with a 140mm shock and 150mm fork. You really can ride everything with it. 50km days or a long day in the bike park is not a problem for it.

    • @PxulSR
      @PxulSR Před 4 lety +5

      @@cspr1329 I also buy the occam (H20) with the fox 36 float factory (150mm)

    • @PatrickCavanaugh0420
      @PatrickCavanaugh0420 Před 4 lety +3

      Absolutely loving my trail bike, 150mm of travel front and rear. 4 pot 200mm in the front with 180mm 2 pot in the back and a sram nx eagle drivetrain. 2.6" tires with a 65° head angle so still somewhat slack. I'd really like to change the front fork out for a 160-170mm of travel somewhere down the line. So for me the trail bike fit right there as the do it all bike.

    • @cspr1329
      @cspr1329 Před 4 lety +1

      @@PxulSR did the same and upgraded to the dpx2 as well. And last week I also bought the xt m8120 brakes at my local bike shop to complete the bike^^

    • @Slow.Smooth
      @Slow.Smooth Před 4 lety

      I agree. Just built up a Single pivot steel full sus with 150 in front 140 on the frame. 63 degree HTA 77 degree seat tube angle, along with 29x2.5 DHF (front and rear) Feels like a DH bike as soon as you start coming down. This is my first bike after riding a Steel 27.5+ hardtail and I Love it. Feels perfect to be honest!

  • @themeatpopsicle
    @themeatpopsicle Před 4 lety +15

    Instead of a versus, I think it should be emphasized that with the right tools and some mechanical knowledge you can set up a lot of modern bikes to skew whatever flavor you want on the day.

  • @the_spanner_ch7mp
    @the_spanner_ch7mp Před 4 lety

    Great video, great scenery, great bikes, great riders.
    Nice one Neil, Henry and GMBN 👍👊🤘

  • @Vanowm
    @Vanowm Před 4 lety +10

    So my take from the video is: there is absolutely no difference between the two and comes down to personal preferences. Basically it's a marketing gimmick.

  • @jakdbgaming6640
    @jakdbgaming6640 Před 4 lety

    Nice videos guys! You guys have helped me with tips and tricks and just great content. Keep it up 👍

  • @paulmulryne8405
    @paulmulryne8405 Před 4 lety +11

    So now I’ve got XC hardtails - fully rigid, front suspension, full suspension, a ‘hooligan’ hardtail, a fs trail bike, enduro bike and a downhill bike... and now a downcountry bike... hold on there’s some large men knocking on my door. They don’t look happy.

    • @mrdrifty6580
      @mrdrifty6580 Před 4 lety +2

      You're forgetting about ebike that will have all kinds of categories

    • @davidharbour4547
      @davidharbour4547 Před 4 lety +3

      Still need a hard nose/soft tail and a gravel bike. Oh and don't forget to have an adventure bike too, oh and get a trials bike while you're at it 😂

    • @kastmodder
      @kastmodder Před 4 lety +2

      Don't forget the marathon bikes and long travel hardtail, and 99 other varieties

    • @eddevincentis2218
      @eddevincentis2218 Před 4 lety +1

      Is there a single speed version yet?

    • @polishguywithhardtospellna8227
      @polishguywithhardtospellna8227 Před 4 lety +1

      You missed quite a few....hundred categories there

  • @aitaissamehdi8628
    @aitaissamehdi8628 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the video.
    Great explanation between these 2 different bikes.
    And I would say only comfort makes difference , so it’s good to pick the right geometry which fit your ridding style.

  • @CL-dh2mf
    @CL-dh2mf Před 4 lety

    Henry and Neil!😀👍So entertaining and it doesnt feel 2 much like a sponsored video - really good job! For now I'm sticking with my Hardcore Hardtail = Whyte 905. Greetings from Germany to the UK! ✌

  • @zunasawada617
    @zunasawada617 Před 4 lety

    Woah it's my first time seeing Henry riding clipless pedals. Keep shredding guys! Love the vid!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Před 4 lety

      He's a talented lad is our Henry 😉

  • @hananas2
    @hananas2 Před 4 lety +1

    My bike is somewhere between XXXC and trail, it's 120R/140F travel, 2-pot 180mm brakes (at the moment), a 1x11 and 26" XC tyres and a 60mm stem and 740mm bars.
    It makes a lotta stuff really enjoyable

  • @johndixon9551
    @johndixon9551 Před 4 lety

    Went back and forth between a Canyon Neuron and Trek Fuel EX 8 but ended up with a Canyon Spectral. Love the extra travel and the playfulness of the 27.5. Great all around bike!

  • @flyingnorseman
    @flyingnorseman Před 4 lety +1

    I have a gen 3 Santa Cruz tallboy 29er. In the winter I use Spank Oozy 350 wheels, 2.5 DHR/DHF tires and a 130MM pike fork. In the summer I use Race face Next SL wheels, Maxxis Ardent race/Forecaster tires and 120MM Fox SC fork. Heavy and strong set up for messy winter training. Light and nimble for summer 6 hour racing. Its like having 2 different bikes.

  • @th_js
    @th_js Před 4 lety

    Great video Neil and Henry 👌🏻

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Před 4 lety

      Cheers Tomi 👍

  • @sebastien1966
    @sebastien1966 Před 4 lety +3

    Love your vids this is cool

  • @bartomiejdobrowolski6953

    Epic shots, good music, great bikes! Got neuron and lov this bike!! Its a trail bike with some XC dna. I can use it in marathons and all day trips. I don't care about category, down country etc. I just love to ride!

  • @adamski1182
    @adamski1182 Před 4 lety +1

    Anyone looking for the song played just after the racing/migraine comment, it's incorrectly listed in the comments. Track is: Issue AB - '8 Hours'

  • @deanmalaluan2623
    @deanmalaluan2623 Před 3 lety

    hope to see Henry on the channel's latest videos.

  • @Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_
    @Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ Před 4 lety +6

    What are these halfway bikes? You are supposed to go up the hill on your xc bike, switch to your dh bike and ride down.

  • @retroonhisbikes
    @retroonhisbikes Před 4 lety +51

    When your finished with the orbea I can give you 6 toilet rolls for it

    • @Peanutdenver
      @Peanutdenver Před 4 lety +1

      Hold up...you could get a 2020 Pivot Switchblade with Fox Live Valve for 6 rolls of TP and have enough left over for a clean 2018 911 Carrera S.

  • @allenrafaeldalanon275
    @allenrafaeldalanon275 Před 4 lety +1

    I like how I'm still watching GMBN though I don't have any bikes lol

  • @zizzinpuss
    @zizzinpuss Před 4 lety

    My 2014 Rocky Mountain Thunderbolt has 120mm travel front and rear. I can't believe it's taken six years for downcountry to finally catch on

  • @rupedog
    @rupedog Před 4 lety +1

    It's like putting a bike rack on an Aston Martin, hey Neil!

  • @bazzamtb4805
    @bazzamtb4805 Před 4 lety +1

    I’ve got the new Santa Cruz Tallboy, irrelevant what you call it, it is just a fun bike on the down trails and efficient uphill. Swapped 160mm travel in my old bike for 120 rear/130mm upfront and not yet missed the extra travel.

  • @asylumDAYS
    @asylumDAYS Před 3 lety

    Nice vidéo i never knew about down country bike 😊

  • @letour32rr
    @letour32rr Před 4 lety +6

    My 2018 Specialized Camber is essentially a “Down County” bike. 120mm travel, 75 degree Seat Tube, 68.5 Headtube angle. They stopped making it and for my preference the Stumpy ST is too slack up front. The Camber was essentially replaced by the Epic Evo (120/100) which after demoing rides circles around my Camber both up and down. I don’t hit jumps or go to downhill parks, but I also like a bit more upright geometry. I like the idea of a light, agile XC bike with just a touch less aggressive geometry.

    • @0GekkeGerrit0
      @0GekkeGerrit0 Před 4 lety

      I've got the 2016 model. I did upgrade the stock Revelation to a Pike and purchased beefier wheels. Great allround bike!

    • @MikeDrake_
      @MikeDrake_ Před 4 lety

      I’ve also got a 2018 27.5 camber and put a fox factory 34 150mm up front, and a set of maxxis dhf/dhr. Made a substantial difference on the down and still climbs great.

  • @tedhollander2066
    @tedhollander2066 Před 4 lety +1

    I ride my modified 2015 SWorks Epic a lot more than my new Devinci trail bike out in Park City. It gives up speed on the rougher downhills but is so much faster going up and accelerates much better on the rolling stuff. Running a Stepcast 120mm fork and an offset shock bushing, 730 mm bar and 70mm stem and a Thomson dropper.

  • @Cycling-Addiction
    @Cycling-Addiction Před 4 lety +1

    The bike I have ordered..and the bike I have ended up purchasing after months of waiting, the Oiz TR! Love it. Please tell us which one is faster!! Just take some times in nearby trail (up&down) with the same rider😃

  • @juluisreyes9094
    @juluisreyes9094 Před 2 lety

    Nice one guys..i prefer my Sta.Cruz Tallboy geometry..the short travel fork is just enough for me for small jumps and drops..and i can use my bike on roads with enough pedalling efficiency also..

  • @jozephsky
    @jozephsky Před 4 lety

    Brilliant feature this. I went for a Stumpjumper 29 rather than the Enduro because the Stumpjumper is actually a better choice if you want to be able to rip BPW reds with your mates on Patrols and DH rigs but you also want long days riding the more challenging all day rides of Shropshire and Mid Wales. I used to have 5 bikes. Now I just have the 150/140mm 29er and a Checkpoint SL5 gravel rig. I love them both, can keep up with most people and don’t need anything else! Let’s face it, at 3-5k a pop who can afford multiple bikes these days and why bother when a we’ll chosen Trail or ‘Downcountry’ bike will probably make you happier anyway! The only mods on the Stumpjumper are some Hunt Trailwide wheels for XC days, Maxxis Shorty F & Minnion DHF R on the Rovals for BPW days, and the MRP Ramp Control on the Fox 34s. It’s an awesome setup. Just need a Cane Creek DB Air now......

  • @dewindoethdwl2798
    @dewindoethdwl2798 Před 4 lety

    Here's a challenge in these lockdown times: What would you suggest to keep MTB / trials fit & hold the stoke if we can't get out in the street? Imagine you've got a typical backyard or garden, say 7m x 7m and no more than three pallets and a ten foot scaffold board. Your allowed some nails & 25m of rope. Also some bits and bobs found in a house, like some chalk, paper cups etc. Curious challenge in tough times??

  • @NilabhUmredkar
    @NilabhUmredkar Před 4 lety

    Great topic actually. I am planning for a Giant Trance 3 29er 2020 model. Where do you think this bike fits?

  • @3.2.1.0
    @3.2.1.0 Před 4 lety +1

    It's a shame the Giant Anthem SX series ended, but the bike was aimed at people that want to go fast and be a little more capable downhill.
    My 2016 model is still rocking, fast uphill and very capable down fast technical rock gardens. Love it!

  • @singyuenlau423
    @singyuenlau423 Před 4 lety +1

    I got turned on the mountain biking from your videos! With how beautiful the places you guys get to explore in such a unique way and how could I not mention how infectious (in the best way) Mr Blake Samson’s personality is.
    Only when I bought myself a nice-ish trail bike recently did I follow a colleague to a local single track and damn was it tough! I hope I’d have the opportunity to build my mtb skills enough and go on a great mtb adventure one day! Cheers!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Před 4 lety +1

      Cheers for following Sing! Keep it up 🤘

    • @singyuenlau423
      @singyuenlau423 Před 4 lety

      Keep safe and stay well! 💪🏼

  • @BMH1965
    @BMH1965 Před 2 lety +1

    I've just bought a used 26" XC and put a dropper and slightly wider bars on it and converted it from a 2x10 (40-29Tx11-36) to a 1x10 (36Tx11-42). As a returning rider (I rode XC some 40 years back), I did not want to spend crazy money on something that looked and operated like a space ship - and costs the same as a space ship! I paid £1000 for a Giant Anthem X with XTR equipment and DT Swiss 240 Hubs.

  • @netbookings
    @netbookings Před 4 lety

    I have a 2089 Norco Revolver (100mm) much like the Orbea and a 2017 Norco Sight (130mm) 29ers. I used to ride the Sight all the time (more forgiving) , but now ride the Revolver most of the time, now that I am used to it. Can't really lose with either style.

  • @mtblover
    @mtblover Před 4 lety +1

    The single and only pity about the Canyon is the limited space in the triangle. If the top tube was just slightly higher at the seat tube one would be able to fit 2 bottles in there which would make it the supreme all day bike. Now one has to wear a back pack/ Camelback.

  • @henrylaird9028
    @henrylaird9028 Před 4 lety +4

    Probably be the only people out at Rowberrow/mendips around this time

    • @rupedog
      @rupedog Před 4 lety

      Thought it looked like rowberrow

    • @rupedog
      @rupedog Před 4 lety

      It was no doubt filmed a few wks back

  • @kitayvelik
    @kitayvelik Před 4 lety

    gray(or silver) canyon ,the best colo, i loved

  • @tntrailrider7379
    @tntrailrider7379 Před 3 lety +1

    They can call it whatever they want.. I like the specs.

  • @johncarrington8612
    @johncarrington8612 Před 4 lety +4

    I figured this out a few years ago. I have a spec. I changed from a 2x to a 1 x 10 11-36 out back, 32t up front. It has 120 ml of suspension front and back. I put a couple of volume spacers in the fork to help with bigger hits but with that set-up I can climb well and do the downs fast. You have to be fit to do it though.

  • @ronaldtartaglia4459
    @ronaldtartaglia4459 Před 4 lety +61

    I am actually embarrassed at the industry, trying So hard to make last years stuff irrelevant, just to sell more stuff.... embarrassing
    Still love the videos though.

    • @TheCockyPerry
      @TheCockyPerry Před 4 lety +7

      This is why i am still riding this bike...
      www.giant-bicycles.com/au/anthem-x-advanced-2012 and I love it...!!!
      I want to buy a dropper seat post and get rid of the remote lock out since it doesn't really work...

    • @DudeGameOver
      @DudeGameOver Před 4 lety

      True but to be fair new bikes are getting cheaper.

    • @brauljo
      @brauljo Před 4 lety +2

      It's called capitalism

    • @brauljo
      @brauljo Před 4 lety

      @@TheCockyPerry Ew a 2x?

    • @pheeranatheron7817
      @pheeranatheron7817 Před 4 lety

      Braŭljo I

  • @robertritchie2860
    @robertritchie2860 Před 4 lety

    I've got my BMC Speedfox 01 and I think it seems to tick all of the above boxes... 😊

  • @murilomiranda8009
    @murilomiranda8009 Před 4 lety

    Scott used to have a bike like this, the Spark, without the WC sulfix. Not sure if still available.
    For the more aggressive XC bike, what size of tires were you running?

  • @AliasHSW
    @AliasHSW Před 2 lety

    Sounds awesome: Safari 911 + roof bike rack!

  • @Tc-hb8vp
    @Tc-hb8vp Před 3 lety

    I still like a trail bike but I'm a hardtail fan at heart

  • @MrTheSkiper
    @MrTheSkiper Před 4 lety +1

    Neil how would you compere Orbe OIZ TR vs Canyon Lux?

  • @D4WeeMaN
    @D4WeeMaN Před 4 lety +3

    "Hey! What type of bike do you have?"
    "One that I like. And feels comfortable. And can afford"

  • @ReZ_Trombone
    @ReZ_Trombone Před 4 lety +1

    Should have talked more about geometry and how it plays a bigger role in a bike's capabilities than suspension numbers.

  • @eloscilatore
    @eloscilatore Před 4 lety

    I switched my canyon lux for inflite, but despite the fact, that it is super capable CX bike, I miss the technical trails and really considering switching it for this oiz m20 TR

  • @benlukkie
    @benlukkie Před 4 lety

    Same thing imho, you have to be pretty pro to even feel the difference. All changes are in the aftermarket range.

  • @pedroburrito8038
    @pedroburrito8038 Před 2 lety

    I recently purchased a new bike after 17 years on a 26" XC bike and debated if I was going to get a pure XC 29" bike or go with something a little bit more fun. After seeing so many riders on the trails being overbike and struggling on the climb I didn't want to make the same mistake and went for the trail bike, a SC Tallboy V4 with 130/120 front and rear travel and still climb like a pure XC bike but with the slacker geometry and longer travel. To me the climb is not punishing with this bike and its worth the reward of a fun downhill with the longer travel. Of course it's really the type of trail you frequently ride that should dictate your type of bike, I know I found mine and I love the new ride.

  • @guillempenacchiotorres8835

    Love it!!

  • @mrvwbug4423
    @mrvwbug4423 Před 4 lety

    Trail bike itself is a broad category. It ranges from short travel bikes like the Neuron to bikes like the Trek Remedy and Canyon Spectral which are just about 27.5 enduro sleds, just with a bit more nimble geometry. My own trail bike (Giant Trance) is approaching enduro levels of travel at 140/150, but with more nimble geometry and still climbs very well.

  • @Djangoat68
    @Djangoat68 Před 4 lety +1

    Anyone know where this was filmed? Very nice spot

  • @cornishcactus
    @cornishcactus Před 4 lety

    Probably get a bigger difference swapping my T130 from it's Minons to something more xc.
    Put mountain king 2.4 front and back on last weekend as I had them and we're not doing any interesting riding in the UK now.
    Much quicker on the flat not so grippy on loose rock but was great on the dry trails through the woods.
    What was Henry running? looked like forecaster front and rear but much tighter spacing on the back?

  • @Mrunknown13.6
    @Mrunknown13.6 Před 4 lety +7

    I think that you just can't say that the bike is a Down country because of its travel. The real differenc are in the Geometry and design

  • @speedforcesimracer1712

    nice DC bike cool video stay well guys

  • @vtecmossy
    @vtecmossy Před 4 lety

    On one codein 27.5 160 front /150 rear, 203mm/180mm rotors is it a beefed up trail bike or an enduro 🤔?

  • @bigbo1764
    @bigbo1764 Před 3 lety +1

    I’ve always considered 120-130 a trail bike, and 140-150 a long travel trail bike or a “all mountain”, with anything more being enduro, super enduro, or DH.

  • @steveoutdoors471
    @steveoutdoors471 Před 4 lety

    It's an interesting move from the manufacturers. Me as a rider wants a bike that does XC well and a bike that does trail well. I could see a world where the creating a bike that does both well a typical consumer could end up only purchasing one vs. two.

  • @garygilbert1127
    @garygilbert1127 Před 4 lety

    Giant done an Anthem a few years ago, the xs but could easily be wrong, think it had 140mm travel, light as a feather, super efficient, fast and poppy, I almost bought one but couldn't get the model I wanted in my size, in hindsight I'm glad I didn't.

  • @VonSC2
    @VonSC2 Před 3 lety

    Orbea make some beautiful bikes. I have 2020 Occam M10 and love it.

  • @paulandrews7573
    @paulandrews7573 Před 3 lety +1

    You kept talking about how lightweight downcountry bikes are, but you never mentioned the weight of the two bikes...

  • @johnesteban9752
    @johnesteban9752 Před 4 lety

    Kindly do a review about the cannondale habit 2020 model. Thank

  • @nc_mtbmedic1399
    @nc_mtbmedic1399 Před 4 lety

    I upgraded my trek superfly ai elite to a down country...lol...works great, is comfortable..has a 1x11 drive train

  • @magmajh7611
    @magmajh7611 Před 4 lety

    I wish I had a bike like those

  • @callumyoung7785
    @callumyoung7785 Před 4 lety +5

    Where is this it looks sick!

    • @mattcooch6912
      @mattcooch6912 Před 4 lety +2

      Callum Young Somerset, Mendip hills and Cheddar Gorge 👌🏼

    • @majoromg449
      @majoromg449 Před 4 lety

      @@mattcooch6912 thanks

    • @tabsmtb6301
      @tabsmtb6301 Před 4 lety

      Yes, this is quite near Cheddar but it’s actually at Rowberrow Warren/Trails

  • @benjamind165
    @benjamind165 Před 4 lety +1

    As someone who can only afford to have one bike, it’s a enduro bike, since I’ll never be racing I’d rather have the feeling of thinking my bike is perfect for going down hill, even though a trail bike would be more than sufficient for the riding I do

  • @kieranrae
    @kieranrae Před 4 lety +1

    from this, all i'm thinking is that in the range of what's termed 'Trail bikes' (120mm - 150mm travel), this 'Down Country' category is just the lighter end of the 'Trail bikes' range. so it's not new or different, it's just been given its own name, for, marketing reasons...

  • @philippethevoz7542
    @philippethevoz7542 Před 4 lety

    I have a SCOTT Spark 960, with 120mm back and front, dropper post, 1;12 cassette, Aloi frame, 29 inch wheels, would you consider this as a trail bike or an xc bike?

  • @vomErsten
    @vomErsten Před 4 lety +1

    XC bikes are often still hard tails and the smallest current full-sus is the Trek Supercaliber at 60 mm of rear-wheel travel, I think.
    That said, FULL ENDURO BROOOOOO!

  • @TimToesWalters
    @TimToesWalters Před 4 lety

    How do these categories line up with the astm standard for usage? Doddy?

  • @almerseveriusson9779
    @almerseveriusson9779 Před rokem

    As a tall lightweight rider i love the downcountry segment. Most trailbikes are like heavy enduros for me.

  • @vonpupees
    @vonpupees Před 4 lety

    have the woods been fully felled yet? last time i went there was a nightmare

  • @markashton3918
    @markashton3918 Před 3 lety

    Is it possible to add more rear travel to a bike without modifying the frame? Probably a stupid comment but I thought shock lengths related to travel so a 120mm shock would be physically longer than a 100mm -therefore not be something that can be swapped/changed.

  • @nathanielvogler7335
    @nathanielvogler7335 Před 4 lety

    Now, get ready for Cross Hill!

  • @bodieterrill
    @bodieterrill Před 4 lety +1

    how to knack knack vid please!!!

  • @MaxMustermannnnnn
    @MaxMustermannnnnn Před 4 lety +1

    So my Fuel EX is now a downcountry bike?

  • @imagemotion9384
    @imagemotion9384 Před 4 lety

    would the canyon spectral be to far off from this comparison ?what do you guys think ?

  • @fohman2796
    @fohman2796 Před 4 lety

    Orbea is basically a Norco fluid fs but with 10mm less on the fork

  • @lukefarrell117
    @lukefarrell117 Před 4 lety +2

    I was literally on the fence between these exact 2 bikes (I got the canyon tho)

  • @leeteemtb9587
    @leeteemtb9587 Před 4 lety

    DOWN COUNTRY!!! The bike industries gone nuts. Reinventing the wheel yet again. Plus what the hell is Henry wearing his dance shoes to the trails...... cha cha cha.
    My personal preference is my hard tail 29er with dropper post, longish travel forks (130mm), wide bars and slack geometry. My kinda heaven

  • @ali_240gl
    @ali_240gl Před 4 lety

    Got to love mendip magic :D