Gangs in the UK aren't stabbing each other with Victorinox's, they're using kitchen knives and the new line of knifeless models are not being made to combat 'rampant' crime in the UK, Victorinox did not say that in the slightest. 😂 It's in fact to appeal to a wider fan base as most Brits don't carry knives in general. Also, you were nearly right about UK knife law. You can carry a knife without good reason as long as it's under 3 inches and doesn't lock. AND you can carry a locking knife or a fixed blade if you have good reason (work etc).
I appreciate the clarification. But I also do you think this is an answer to some of the issues. However, you’re correct most of the stabbings/salts are happening with large kitchen, knives and machetes.
dude it doesn't matter what they are using, the simple fact that all other countries around have softer knife laws and lower knife crime numbers. clearly they WANT us killing each other.
@@MrMyhalych You need to provide a reason for a Knife which is outside of the every day carry limits. This is not ridiculous if you realised a) that there was serious large scale gang violence in the 1950s with very dangerous weapons and serious and even lethal injuries. The participants always argued that they were carrying e.g.; commando knives, bayonets, bowie knives and other implements for self defence. The then new laws took away that legal argument. Sadly, the kids who are hurting and killing one another with kitchen knives are using "self defence" as their reason for carrying a knife, but that only encourages other kids to do the same, in order to "defend" themselves against the first kid. I grew up when knife law was more relaxed, boy scouts carried relatively large fixed blade sheath knives whilst in uniform, for example, but there was little knife crime because people did not carry knives and did not fear others carrying them. Of course, people carried pocket knives but saw them as tools and also obeyed the existing laws. b) prior to the 1950s, while the open carry of swords or knives had gone out of fashion, for over 100 years, there were few restrictions on bladed articles. The author G.K. Chesterton carried a swordstick, for example. Firearms, esp. hand guns, were somewhat more controlled, esp. after World War I and again after World War 2. One reason for these restrictions is due to the increased availability of both pistols and knives as souvenirs - I have a few Kukri that probably arrived in the UK after the two wars. Apart from criminal use, firearm deaths are almost unheard of among the civilian population, esp. since the almost complete ban on handguns after two very serious mass shooting incidents - one involving a school. On the other hand, you can have almost any item with you if you have a reasonable excuse. A chef can carry his working knives to work without a problem and a workman can carry his tools, whether an axe or hammer or chisels or knives, provided that they are secured and not accessible during transit. This is so that someone can't grab a tool from you while you are walking past. However, you can only use the knife for its intended purpose and in the appropriate place of work. A relative uses a very large knife to cut roofing materials and that is quite OK while on the roof or on site. It would not be OK to "forget" to remove it and walk into the nearest bar or cafe with it on his hip. You do not need to provide a reason for carrying a knife that meets the requirements: 3 inches or less and non-locking. While there are some circumstances where the police might wish you not to carry such a knife, e.g.; going into a place where violence is likely, they do not really have a lawful reason to deprive you of it and you do not need a reason to carry it. Saying that it is for "self defence" is an automatic admission that you intend to use against an attacker - which makes it an "offensive" weapon. Only a purely passive object, like a kevlar vest would count as a defensive item, since most defensive weapons are actually designed for counter offence against the attacker. As a disabled person, I would find a one-handed opening and locking knife easier and safer to use. Unfortunately, unlike some US states, we do not have knife laws specifically concerning the user. Nevertheless, I think that the laws are generally sensible, since weapons are restricted and we do not live in fear of them. The argument that there should be no restriction because criminals don't obey the law only means that there would be no restrictions on the criminals and they would face no punishment merely for possession. As it is, getting caught carrying a non-permitted item carries severe punishment and for banned items, it is even worse. By the way, the law concerning what can be carried only applies on the public highway and in public places. You can carry larger knives and locking knives or any tools, etc. on private land - as long as the owner has no objection. The only restriction is on illegal items, that is things which are banned and cannot be bought or sold in the UK. Also, it is worth remembering that a number of states in the USA have some sort of restriction on types or sizes of knives. Texas does not permit Bowie Knives, despite the Alamo.
@@charleshayes2528 So many words to justify the discriminatory law 🙂 All your arguments do not take into account one thing: the criminal is because the criminal is that he purposefully violates the law. If he needs a weapon, he will have it despite the prohibitions. And it will not use Leatherman or Victorinox 110/130 series. I can understand the ban on knives and frames of metal detectors at mass events: concerts, etc., but why should I explain to a random policeman on the street the presence of folding pliers in my pocket? It is he who should explain to me a good reason for the personal search. Or soldier Victorinox: should I explain to the policeman that it is more convenient for them to cut bread than with a 7.5cm toothpick? I'm paraphrasing my take: it's not the law that's ridiculous, its frames are ridiculous .
I have been looking for a EDC for a while whiteout a knife. I live in Norway so it is illegal to carry a knife in public places. That goes for all blade lengths. So i am very pleased to hear this news from Victorinox :)
A 91mm Victorinox without a locking blade is legal to carry in the United Kingdom. I believe the knives launched by Victorinox without a knife blade were an attempt to allow passengers to board a plane with them on their person or carry-on luggage. However, if that really was their intent they failed miserably because airport security will not let them board a flight with those multitools anyway (at least in the USA). They still contain prohibited items, such as a pair of scissors. MIND YOU that in CANADA you can carry a knife blade up to 6 cm on board a flight, so your Spartan, Climber and the like are allowed onboard a plane in CANADA (except if the plane is bound for the USA).
Global response, more than just US or UK. As others point out the medium sized, non locking sak is legal to carry in the UK, without good reason. Knife law is changing in the UK but they are currently focusing on bigger knives, machetes etc.
Not to defend anti-knife stance in any shape or form, but there have been stabbings with saks, just few years ago some 16yo stabbed a grown man to death, from my understanding a single stabb, i could not believe my eyes when i saw the picture of the victorinox fisherman on the news, also I've seen a swiss champ sticking out from a mans chest you probably can find a picture of that still in google images.... People are bizarre using a sak for violence is absurd..
@@umbertomasoero367 sure, like i said i don't support the anti-knife stance in any shape or form, just wanted to say it has happened... hammers and screwdrivers outnumber sak kills probably by 100k/1
Bladeless victorinox will be a total gamechanger, and in a good way! If we need a blade, we can always carry an additional single blade that is easily left behind. I would definately also EDC larger tools. Atm i restrict to anything with less than 3 inch blade, living in the UK.
@@jonniez62 It was, they still moaned and said if could be used as a weapon or even dismantle parts of the plane. It was less than 3 inches long. He ended up binning it as it was less hassle trying to explain/ fight with them. Edit: it was actually on with a set of keys just to show how small it was.
Wow Mark you have a really great point! I am so in love with all the old Wenger tools for this or that task. I don't have any, but I'm always fascinated to hear about them. I have a dream of a "seamstress" knife for sewing, although in this case without the knife. I'm not to sure about the bike tool because that market has several options which are very well- received, IMO. I'd love to see a gardening tool with a weed/root digger.
I own one Victorinox knife. A Super Tinker. Although it is a multi tool, I have to admit the tool I use the most (by far) is the knife blade. Without a blade, I think it would just end up in a drawer. I've always considered my state's knife laws unnecessarily restrictive, but after reading the European commenters here, I'm feeling fortunate that they're not more so. Generally any blade under 3" is allowed. Even autos. The only blades that are completely banned are the butterfly balisong type. I got stopped a while back, and the officer asked me if there were any weapons in the vehicle. I told him I was carrying a folding knife. He asked me to slowly pull it out of my pocket, which I did. The Civivi knife had a blade that was clearly longer than 3", so I was worried about losing the knife, at the very least. The cop looked it over and said "nice knife", and proceeded to show me his service knife......which was also technically illegal. We talked about our knife collections for 10 minutes....before he handed me the knife and a speeding ticket back to me. I'm a disabled 60 year old. Yes, I collect knives, but I don't come across as a threat to anyone, and I think the officer saw that.
I kind of like the option. I carry a ‘Jetsetter” now on my key ring during the week because I can’t take a knife in to where I work. I hate not having a knife on me, but the other tools are ridiculously handy.
I absolutely agree. Sometimes it is company policy not to have any blades on you. But having some kind of tool, handy would be definitely useful. And I think this is really where they’re going to excel in creating some amazing products.
Good to see Victorinox doing something new. I've been looking for a multitool without a knife for a while now for those times when carrying a knife isn't an option, but would still be nice to have some tools on hand. The only one that I actually liked and bought was the Jetsetter and it is a great tool, but limited by it's size. Look forward to seeing what they come up with. Thanks for sharing the news.
Oh yes oh yes oh yes! Want! For bikers, I would think a tiny rachet or screwdriver would be useful. Maybe the return of the cyber tool? Personally I'd love to see them have a model with a replaceable craft blade. That would honestly cover 99% of all sharp-edge uses for the typical city dweller, not run a foul of even the tightest knife laws, and if you end up at a building with a zero tolerance policy you just chuck the blade and get a new one later. There are so many good designs one could build around that concept... (Many other companies already have.)
The SAK jet setter carries no blade . It has done for a long time . Also if they make models with no blade , but still carry scissors , the jobsworths at the airport will say ....No knife , but 2 blades on the scissors . In the bin .
I'm pretty psyched about it, to be honest! I've taken to carrying a traditional slipjoint and would love to have SAK-tools in addition without the blade redundancy.
@Semitotal, surely if you carried an original SAK you could have the slipjoint knife and the SAK-tools all in one and have less to carry over all. Maybe you could then carry something else that the SAK doesn't have.
Honestly? If they replaced the knife blade in a climber or a similar model with just a rectangular hunk of metal with 90 degree corners, I'd take that. It'd be an awesome scraper/pry tool/huge flathead/ferro rod striker
I want a one handed opening 3” blade Victorinox. Swiza made ones are hard to get. Is there any other options in that size? The Boker tech tools would be amazing as they are a modern styled tools as well. But they only do two handed openings.
People in the FB Sak groups are either laughing to angry at them for this for some stupid reason. I'm personally on board 100%. My reasoning is that most of us(in the states atleast) carry a dedicated folder anyway and let's be honest, victorinox's steel isn't that good in the edge retention department anyway and I'd rather have more tools at my disposal. I've owned 14+ leathermans over the years and since I'm not a belt pouch guy anymore, they get kinda weighty, especially since my edc flashlight is almost 7 ounces, my gun is 2.5 lb loaded, my primary folder has some heft. I just don't use pliers enough to justify 8-12 ounces from a leatherman. I'd rather have my folder plus a bladeless SAK that'll come in half of a leathermans weight. I thought about my perfect blade less model and I would take a Cybertool 34 and replace the blades with a file, cross cut on one side and diamond on the other so I can file my nails if needed. I'd replace the can opener with the new package opener tool they came out with recently on the 91mm companion knives. Last I'd replace the hook with the scraper. I barely leave my house most days let alone ever go on planes so the awl can stay. You'd have a file, small pair of pliers, the wonderful scissors, the driver with bit exchanger and the package opener. That would be the perfect companion SAK for my folder imo. I'm all for this
@sunshinecoolwater9528 Yes, but if you tell a UK cop that you can do that or that you are carrying your SAK for that purpose, it becomes a weapon and is liable for confiscation, if not worse. Of course, almost anything can be used as a weapon, but should not be carried specifically for that purpose, under UK law. It is a tool first and foremost and always. Of course, if you just happen to grab it while under attack and feeling frightened, that might be different.
Sounds cool , i can't wait to see what they put out . My wife is currently in Scotland on a short trip and was told when she asked about Saks that they're illegal there . Not so if you wish to carry a dirk under your kilt, as far as I can make it out.
@LDspocketknives. I don't know current knife law in Scotland, but you are probably thinking of the Sgian Dubh, the small "black knife" usually carried in the stocking! In the past, they were "hidden knives", sometimes carried in the armpit, on the strap of the Sporran and semi-hidden by the pleats and so on, but not, as far as I know "under your kilt". If you look up a true Scottish dirk, you are talking about a blade 10 to 14 inches long with a full sized handle. Not something you would wish or be allowed to carry "under your kilt". Indeed, Scottish attire is popular for weddings and many outfitters provide fake blades to tuck into the stocking. Some Scottish soldiers on parade in full dress uniform used to wear both the Sgian Dubh and the full-sized Dirk. Some Victorian versions are incredibly ornate and also have a small knife and fork attached. They seem to have had a symbolic value somewhat similar to the ornate Kothimora Kukri worn by senior Gurkhas or given as gifts. Many of the Dirks I have seen did not have sharp edges, whereas genuine Kothimora had very functional blades.
@@LDspocketknives. You are welcome. It is nice to have a polite interchange for a change, if you know what I mean? Some people on this page are getting heated over their misunderstanding of UK law and they don't live here. I am old enough to know better, but still think sensible commenting should be possible. I have a godson who enjoyed a book on all the things you can do with a stick, which we bought him and I think he might like some of the more fun aspects of camping and such. A Victorinox without a blade would probably make a good gift for him and wouldn't worry his parents in the way that a sharp knife might. I don't know if you are aware of Felix Immler and his youtube channel? He works with Victorinox knives, carving and making bushcraft items, including a water-driven rotisserie for cooking a chicken, using only materials found in the woods. His vids are full of hacks and tricks and tips for how you can use a SAK's tools. It would be good to show my godson some of those things, like using the hook to tighten your laces or to carry your shopping. By the way, this link should help settle the debate about SAKs in Scotland. Look under point 4 on this page: basc.org.uk/firearms/knives/scottish-knife-law/#:~:text=The%20Criminal%20Law%20(Consolidation)%20(Scotland)%20Act%201995%20also,or%20part%20of%20national%20costume. Basically, the law is identical to UK law as it applies to pocket knives. Blade 3 inches or less and folding. Unlike the law in the rest of the UK, this document does not explictly mention that the knife must also be non-locking, so that the knife is a "folder" at any time in its usage. However, I would not want to take a chance based on a missing word. Since certain fixed blade knives are allowed for religious reasons and for national dress, they may have a different attitude to locking blades. Perhaps the person who spoke to your wife misunderstood the law or didn't really know about SAKs or even only knew about the larger SAKs that do have locking mechanisms and one-hand opening. (Another no-no, unfortunately. I know it is intended to prevent quick deploy of folders in a fight, but as a disabled person there are situations where a one-handed opening knife would be much easier and much safer for me than two-handed. Apparently, some US states that normally forbid switchblades (UK "flick knife") permit them to disabled, for example amputees who don't have two hands. UK law isn't that nuanced. I hope your wife is enjoying her visit to Scotland. It is a lovely place, with wonderful people and very varied landscape and some excellent liquid refreshment.
I just watched it and, honestly, I still don't have an opinion about it. Indeed, it could be a strategy to avoid losing the market where there are restrictions in relation to blades, but wouldn't that mischaracterize the premise of SAK? After all, would a SAK without the "knife" cease to be a SAK? On the other hand, I see the addition of tools for increasingly specific tasks as very positive. The ideal, perhaps, would be to implement such tools in the current line of SAK products and launch an exclusive line without the blades (a Swiss Army Tools -SAT 🤪)...
I personally only wish that they do not release any limited edition models just because. If they are going to be releasing Limited additions just to fit different markets, that’s just not gonna be good for me. Muito prazer. My wife is from Brazil. Where are you from? What city.
@@markcoffman494 In fact. My country is wonderful when it comes to natural beauty. João Pessoa is the capital of the state of Paraíba, 2,194 km away from my city. When you return to Brazil, I invite you to discover the beauty of the mountains and waterfalls in my state. I guarantee it will be an indescribable experience.
In my opinion, they need to provide a model with the most common tool set used. The tool set most likely required is scissors, flat screw driver/wire stripper, Phillips screw driver, tweezers ,pen , tooth pick, eye glass screw driver, pin, saw blade and file.
@donaldcarr8766 Great idea. I have a Gerber Dime which adds a couple of tools that my SAK doesn't have, but it duplicates both the blade - which is smaller than the SAK small knife - and the scissors - they are junk and nowhere near as good as Victorinox. I would be happy to lose both of those tools for a better file and perhaps a metal saw. Yes, I can get all of that on a Victorinox SAK, along with all the tools that are on my Victorinox Huntsman, plus pliers, etc. but the number of layers makes those bigger 33 tool SAKs very unwieldy. I got the Gerber because the Huntsman doesn't have pliers, but to be fair, the Gerber Dime small file/screwdriver worked perfectly on a Philips type crosshead screw today, despite only having a flat blade tip. It was just wide enough to not tear up the middle of the screwhead whilst being narrow enough to fit easily. It would be great if fully personalised/customised SAKs were more easily and cheaply available. I am not criticising Victorinox. The time and effort of producing a customised one-off for every customer that wanted one would mean costs would have to be huge. I am just unable to spend that much. However, while I can see a lot of advantages to bladeless models, I do use my knife relatively often. I haven't yet found a use for the smaller blade, but I don't whittle or do fiddly cutting work. I probably use the scissors equally and have found that the saw makes a great scraper for my ferro rod, but I have to have a knife. Since the UK law, quite rightly, isn't going to let me carry my Kukri as an edc knife come axe, I will stick to my current SAK.
I'm fortunate enough to live and work where I can carry pretty much anything I want. But I know there's alot of people who can't carry blades where they work (hospitals, offices, etc), and I think it's cool that Victorinox is coming out with models that are more compatible for those situations. Cheers, buddy!
They already make a few bladeless knives, The Jet-Setter and nail clipper come to mind. Anti-gun laws worked so well in the UK that now they have to ban pocket knives. What's next? Baseball bats and forks?
It’s definitely going to be interesting to see what they come up with. As for criminals. They will always find a way to take advantage of the week her.
@@markcoffman494 Yeah exactly, ban one thing they'll find something else. Definitely exciting, kind of forcing them to innovate more... the same tired old blades on every single knife are getting boring. A mechanic type of tool would be amazing to have. A mini Victorinox ratchet or something along with the cyber-tool driver and some Allen keys along that line, definitely something I'd keep in the glove-box at all times.
Yep , hammers , baseball bats , forks . You’ll have to eat puréed meals because knives and forks will be illegal . Hell , Cain killed Abel with a rock . What’s next . My yard is illegal as can be . 😆😂😂😆😆😂 It’s a Clownshow … 🤡🤡🤡
Pretty much yeah a non locking folder under three inches is perfectly legal and most of the time you don’t need a reason but if you go to a problematic area such as London ect they can be strict as hell I have heard about certain areas being no knife zones due to crime but carrying knives in cities is definitely not liked I grew up in the countryside and with the jobs I’ve done a knife is a very normal thing it’s basically boils down to don’t be a knob and using common sense if you think you should not have ur knife on u lol ur probs right 😂 But I can see a liking for this idea without the blade be handy thing for people who don’t like carrying a blade on them I’d probably carry one in cities or keep it at my desk The uks laws aren’t actually that bad 😂 people just seem to cry about it needing a reason for a lock is a bit daft but i don’t really see many problems from it i do wish I could carry a small fixed blade everywhere but oh well
I am so very excited about all of this. I ride my bicycle sometimes 20 miles away and I have had issues. A Victorinox with bike tools is amazing. The Leatherman Knifeless Rebar is something I use the most, since I can bring it to stores, without any doubt I will be caught with it and have knife regulation issues. I have seen people get arrested for simply someone seeing it or it falling out of they're pocket. This made an awesome start to my day, thank you. 😀
Brace yourselves! The end is nigh! It's the pocket knife apocalypse! How dare a company remove the blade from a pocket knife and still expect us to call it a pocket knife. And can you believe a tool for cyclists thinks it's worthy of the pocket knife title? But seriously folks: let's all take a deep breath and not turn a pocket knife into a pocket melodrama. The drama on social media can be more entertaining than a sitcom sometimes. Let's just remember, it's just a tool, folks. Buy a knife and carry on with a smile!😂😂
UK here. I think you misinterpreted the laws here. According to Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 you do NOT need valid reason to carry a folding pocket knife, provided that the blade is under 3in/7.62cm and that it does not lock. For all other knives you do need valid reason. Examples are given on the government website including taking a larger or fixed bladed knife to an exhibition, wearing it as part of your religion (Sikhs can carry a Kirpan) or national costume (Scotsman in full traditional dress including kilt, can carry a Sgian Dubh) but also on your way to or going about your work. For example a chef taking his knives to work, which I used to do. We just use common sense and put those knives in a roll inside our bag. Other countries in Europe actually have stricter knife laws i.e. you're not even allowed a Victorinox Classic in public, e.g. Ireland. However this is a good idea as some of us in the UK have legal folders such as the Spyderco Urban, Manly Wasp, Bokerplus Tech Tool 1, and hundreds more. We like these but we also like the toolset on our SAKs. As in the USA some do actually carry both but it's a nice idea to have a bladeless option to pair up. Also these are good for situations where you are not permitted to carry any knife e.g. airports.
Nothing new and a lot of scandal for nothing. It will be only one model or a single line of multitool without cutting blade. Victorinox already did it with the Jetsetter model and with the Nail Clip 582. Other brands have also done it, for example, the Dime Travel model from Gerber.
Why keep going along with it? Why not fight the laws that do nothing? Next you won’t be able to have A screwdriver, a ruler, and so on. They just keep taking and taking.
@kylethedalek. It isn't publicised, but various people have fought against various aspects of the law. For example, the ban on Samurai Swords actually banned "curved" blunt training swords whilst leaving razor sharp straight knock-offs unscathed. While the Martial Arts community did not get the government to admit that the ban was stupid, they did get some restrictions softened. So Martial Artists can own items based on being "licenced" members of a Martial Arts Club. Traditional and Traditionally made Swords fall outside the ban completely - but Chinese hand-made swords are quite cheap and could put sharp replica swords into the hands of the wealthier thugs and idiots. However, the recent events in London, including the death of a 14 year old at the hands of an adult wielding what looked like a "Samurai" sword mean that everything could change. The police probably don't think about or know about the difference between a modern replica, even if sharp, and a genuine antique, so the real thing could be banned, even for Martial Arts. Strictly, the problem is about policing. The guy had this in his van. It wasn't sitting in a collection at home when he went nuts. So, he was already breaking the law without a specific ban on Samurai Swords. But no one caught him taking it to his van or taking it from his van and this is despite London (and the UK) having some of the world's highest numbers of street cameras. No disrespect to the police. But if there were a system of checks in place as used to apply to gun and shotgun ownership, then perhaps, this man would not have been able to purchase such a sword.
@@charleshayes2528 None of the Gun laws in the U.K. changed the gun crime rate, or mas shooting rate… There was very few before and still very few after. There was a shooting not long ago, the system failed. There is has been multiple shootings with illegal guns this year. There has been multiple grenade attacks. Plus all the ones you don’t hear about or get reported. Disarming the masses does nothing, the bad guys don’t care about the laws so it make easier victims when there is people who can’t fight back. You should need to get a check for anything, the majority never do wrong. If everyone had one would you want to mis user yours? And your doing is going to cause more bans and restrictions as your bending the knee. If the current nanny state laws don’t work why would adding more do it? Which would punish the majority who won’t miss use them. The cops have also admitted they can’t stop all crime or respond in time… So they couldn’t get sued. It’s time to go back and allow people to defend themselves. You know the victims there and then could actually stop a crime, not someone in a uniform 5 mins away. The FBI have said the majority of self defence incidents with weapons is nothing more than the brandishing of the tool. (It was way over 90% of the cases.) Even if the bad guy or guy were armed or not, they don’t want to get into a battle unless it’s gang related, even then most of those killings are drive by’s.
A victorinox with a good tool set minus the blades would be a commercial success regarding air travel requirements.
Scissors ? Good luck with that .
Gangs in the UK aren't stabbing each other with Victorinox's, they're using kitchen knives and the new line of knifeless models are not being made to combat 'rampant' crime in the UK, Victorinox did not say that in the slightest. 😂 It's in fact to appeal to a wider fan base as most Brits don't carry knives in general.
Also, you were nearly right about UK knife law. You can carry a knife without good reason as long as it's under 3 inches and doesn't lock.
AND you can carry a locking knife or a fixed blade if you have good reason (work etc).
I appreciate the clarification. But I also do you think this is an answer to some of the issues. However, you’re correct most of the stabbings/salts are happening with large kitchen, knives and machetes.
dude it doesn't matter what they are using, the simple fact that all other countries around have softer
knife laws and lower knife crime numbers.
clearly they WANT us killing each other.
Lol. Land of freedom and democracy - you need to tell cop a REASON for carry a knife. 🤣🤣🤣
Shit, it’s ridiculous
@@MrMyhalych You need to provide a reason for a Knife which is outside of the every day carry limits. This is not ridiculous if you realised a) that there was serious large scale gang violence in the 1950s with very dangerous weapons and serious and even lethal injuries. The participants always argued that they were carrying e.g.; commando knives, bayonets, bowie knives and other implements for self defence. The then new laws took away that legal argument. Sadly, the kids who are hurting and killing one another with kitchen knives are using "self defence" as their reason for carrying a knife, but that only encourages other kids to do the same, in order to "defend" themselves against the first kid. I grew up when knife law was more relaxed, boy scouts carried relatively large fixed blade sheath knives whilst in uniform, for example, but there was little knife crime because people did not carry knives and did not fear others carrying them. Of course, people carried pocket knives but saw them as tools and also obeyed the existing laws.
b) prior to the 1950s, while the open carry of swords or knives had gone out of fashion, for over 100 years, there were few restrictions on bladed articles. The author G.K. Chesterton carried a swordstick, for example. Firearms, esp. hand guns, were somewhat more controlled, esp. after World War I and again after World War 2. One reason for these restrictions is due to the increased availability of both pistols and knives as souvenirs - I have a few Kukri that probably arrived in the UK after the two wars.
Apart from criminal use, firearm deaths are almost unheard of among the civilian population, esp. since the almost complete ban on handguns after two very serious mass shooting incidents - one involving a school.
On the other hand, you can have almost any item with you if you have a reasonable excuse. A chef can carry his working knives to work without a problem and a workman can carry his tools, whether an axe or hammer or chisels or knives, provided that they are secured and not accessible during transit. This is so that someone can't grab a tool from you while you are walking past. However, you can only use the knife for its intended purpose and in the appropriate place of work. A relative uses a very large knife to cut roofing materials and that is quite OK while on the roof or on site. It would not be OK to "forget" to remove it and walk into the nearest bar or cafe with it on his hip.
You do not need to provide a reason for carrying a knife that meets the requirements: 3 inches or less and non-locking. While there are some circumstances where the police might wish you not to carry such a knife, e.g.; going into a place where violence is likely, they do not really have a lawful reason to deprive you of it and you do not need a reason to carry it. Saying that it is for "self defence" is an automatic admission that you intend to use against an attacker - which makes it an "offensive" weapon. Only a purely passive object, like a kevlar vest would count as a defensive item, since most defensive weapons are actually designed for counter offence against the attacker.
As a disabled person, I would find a one-handed opening and locking knife easier and safer to use. Unfortunately, unlike some US states, we do not have knife laws specifically concerning the user. Nevertheless, I think that the laws are generally sensible, since weapons are restricted and we do not live in fear of them. The argument that there should be no restriction because criminals don't obey the law only means that there would be no restrictions on the criminals and they would face no punishment merely for possession. As it is, getting caught carrying a non-permitted item carries severe punishment and for banned items, it is even worse. By the way, the law concerning what can be carried only applies on the public highway and in public places. You can carry larger knives and locking knives or any tools, etc. on private land - as long as the owner has no objection. The only restriction is on illegal items, that is things which are banned and cannot be bought or sold in the UK.
Also, it is worth remembering that a number of states in the USA have some sort of restriction on types or sizes of knives. Texas does not permit Bowie Knives, despite the Alamo.
@@charleshayes2528 So many words to justify the discriminatory law 🙂
All your arguments do not take into account one thing: the criminal is because the criminal is that he purposefully violates the law. If he needs a weapon, he will have it despite the prohibitions.
And it will not use Leatherman or Victorinox 110/130 series. I can understand the ban on knives and frames of metal detectors at mass events: concerts, etc., but why should I explain to a random policeman on the street the presence of folding pliers in my pocket? It is he who should explain to me a good reason for the personal search.
Or soldier Victorinox: should I explain to the policeman that it is more convenient for them to cut bread than with a 7.5cm toothpick? I'm paraphrasing my take: it's not the law that's ridiculous, its frames are ridiculous .
I have been looking for a EDC for a while whiteout a knife. I live in Norway so it is illegal to carry a knife in public places. That goes for all blade lengths.
So i am very pleased to hear this news from Victorinox :)
A 91mm Victorinox without a locking blade is legal to carry in the United Kingdom. I believe the knives launched by Victorinox without a knife blade were an attempt to allow passengers to board a plane with them on their person or carry-on luggage. However, if that really was their intent they failed miserably because airport security will not let them board a flight with those multitools anyway (at least in the USA). They still contain prohibited items, such as a pair of scissors. MIND YOU that in CANADA you can carry a knife blade up to 6 cm on board a flight, so your Spartan, Climber and the like are allowed onboard a plane in CANADA (except if the plane is bound for the USA).
If that were their intent they would've come up with this right after 9/11. They just see knife carry regulations getting stricter in a lot of places.
Global response, more than just US or UK. As others point out the medium sized, non locking sak is legal to carry in the UK, without good reason. Knife law is changing in the UK but they are currently focusing on bigger knives, machetes etc.
And all these laws are doing nothing for anyone.
@@kylethedalek Those laws do nothing to reduce crime but they make the victims and thier sympathisers feel safer. 👍
@@gregsmith7821 Exactly!
Was going to add that at the bottom, “feel good laws” that’s all they are.
I hope they make a TSA friendly version. It would be nice to be able to travel with some decent tools without having it confiscated. Thanks Mark!
A Swiss Army Knife without the Knife .
Imagine that …
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My guess is that there hasn't been a single knife aggression in human history perpetrated with a swiss army knife but hey, whatever....
Not to defend anti-knife stance in any shape or form, but there have been stabbings with saks, just few years ago some 16yo stabbed a grown man to death, from my understanding a single stabb, i could not believe my eyes when i saw the picture of the victorinox fisherman on the news, also I've seen a swiss champ sticking out from a mans chest you probably can find a picture of that still in google images....
People are bizarre using a sak for violence is absurd..
That's possible for sure...common tho...I guess waaaay more people get killed with a screwdriver any given year@@Oozy9Millimeetah
@@umbertomasoero367 sure, like i said i don't support the anti-knife stance in any shape or form, just wanted to say it has happened... hammers and screwdrivers outnumber sak kills probably by 100k/1
Bladeless victorinox will be a total gamechanger, and in a good way! If we need a blade, we can always carry an additional single blade that is easily left behind. I would definately also EDC larger tools. Atm i restrict to anything with less than 3 inch blade, living in the UK.
A TSA friendly SAK, I'm in
You won’t get on with it.
I know a guy who didn’t get on with a pocket wrench…
@kylethedalek if it's tsa complaint, I will. I've flown with Leatherman PST and gerber knifeless MP600.
@@jonniez62 It was, they still moaned and said if could be used as a weapon or even dismantle parts of the plane.
It was less than 3 inches long.
He ended up binning it as it was less hassle trying to explain/ fight with them.
Edit: it was actually on with a set of keys just to show how small it was.
@kylethedalek I have flown with them and TSA didn't say a thing after looking at them.
Wow Mark you have a really great point! I am so in love with all the old Wenger tools for this or that task. I don't have any, but I'm always fascinated to hear about them. I have a dream of a "seamstress" knife for sewing, although in this case without the knife. I'm not to sure about the bike tool because that market has several options which are very well- received, IMO. I'd love to see a gardening tool with a weed/root digger.
Hey Victorinox: BRING BACK WENGER!!!!
I own one Victorinox knife. A Super Tinker. Although it is a multi tool, I have to admit the tool I use the most (by far) is the knife blade. Without a blade, I think it would just end up in a drawer.
I've always considered my state's knife laws unnecessarily restrictive, but after reading the European commenters here, I'm feeling fortunate that they're not more so.
Generally any blade under 3" is allowed. Even autos. The only blades that are completely banned are the butterfly balisong type.
I got stopped a while back, and the officer asked me if there were any weapons in the vehicle. I told him I was carrying a folding knife. He asked me to slowly pull it out of my pocket, which I did. The Civivi knife had a blade that was clearly longer than 3", so I was worried about losing the knife, at the very least.
The cop looked it over and said "nice knife", and proceeded to show me his service knife......which was also technically illegal. We talked about our knife collections for 10 minutes....before he handed me the knife and a speeding ticket back to me.
I'm a disabled 60 year old. Yes, I collect knives, but I don't come across as a threat to anyone, and I think the officer saw that.
Sounds like a very interesting idea. Have a wonderful day today
I think more companies should make knifeless tools. I almost always carry a dedicated knife along with a sak so the blades rarely get used.
Good stuff, Mark.
Thanks
I kind of like the option. I carry a ‘Jetsetter” now on my key ring during the week because I can’t take a knife in to where I work. I hate not having a knife on me, but the other tools are ridiculously handy.
I absolutely agree. Sometimes it is company policy not to have any blades on you. But having some kind of tool, handy would be definitely useful. And I think this is really where they’re going to excel in creating some amazing products.
absolutely cant wait to get my hands on a bladeless victorinox, the blade is literally my least used tool haha
Good to see Victorinox doing something new. I've been looking for a multitool without a knife for a while now for those times when carrying a knife isn't an option, but would still be nice to have some tools on hand. The only one that I actually liked and bought was the Jetsetter and it is a great tool, but limited by it's size. Look forward to seeing what they come up with. Thanks for sharing the news.
Oh yes oh yes oh yes! Want!
For bikers, I would think a tiny rachet or screwdriver would be useful. Maybe the return of the cyber tool?
Personally I'd love to see them have a model with a replaceable craft blade. That would honestly cover 99% of all sharp-edge uses for the typical city dweller, not run a foul of even the tightest knife laws, and if you end up at a building with a zero tolerance policy you just chuck the blade and get a new one later. There are so many good designs one could build around that concept... (Many other companies already have.)
The SAK jet setter carries no blade . It has done for a long time . Also if they make models with no blade , but still carry scissors , the jobsworths at the airport will say ....No knife , but 2 blades on the scissors . In the bin .
I'm pretty psyched about it, to be honest! I've taken to carrying a traditional slipjoint and would love to have SAK-tools in addition without the blade redundancy.
@Semitotal, surely if you carried an original SAK you could have the slipjoint knife and the SAK-tools all in one and have less to carry over all. Maybe you could then carry something else that the SAK doesn't have.
Honestly? If they replaced the knife blade in a climber or a similar model with just a rectangular hunk of metal with 90 degree corners, I'd take that. It'd be an awesome scraper/pry tool/huge flathead/ferro rod striker
I want a one handed opening 3” blade Victorinox.
Swiza made ones are hard to get.
Is there any other options in that size?
The Boker tech tools would be amazing as they are a modern styled tools as well.
But they only do two handed openings.
People in the FB Sak groups are either laughing to angry at them for this for some stupid reason. I'm personally on board 100%. My reasoning is that most of us(in the states atleast) carry a dedicated folder anyway and let's be honest, victorinox's steel isn't that good in the edge retention department anyway and I'd rather have more tools at my disposal. I've owned 14+ leathermans over the years and since I'm not a belt pouch guy anymore, they get kinda weighty, especially since my edc flashlight is almost 7 ounces, my gun is 2.5 lb loaded, my primary folder has some heft. I just don't use pliers enough to justify 8-12 ounces from a leatherman. I'd rather have my folder plus a bladeless SAK that'll come in half of a leathermans weight.
I thought about my perfect blade less model and I would take a Cybertool 34 and replace the blades with a file, cross cut on one side and diamond on the other so I can file my nails if needed. I'd replace the can opener with the new package opener tool they came out with recently on the 91mm companion knives. Last I'd replace the hook with the scraper. I barely leave my house most days let alone ever go on planes so the awl can stay. You'd have a file, small pair of pliers, the wonderful scissors, the driver with bit exchanger and the package opener. That would be the perfect companion SAK for my folder imo. I'm all for this
The reamer, corkscrew and Phillips screwdriver, can always be utilized as a self-defense tool in a pinch.
You never wanna use a non locking tool for self defense
@sunshinecoolwater9528
Yes, but if you tell a UK cop that you can do that or that you are carrying your SAK for that purpose, it becomes a weapon and is liable for confiscation, if not worse. Of course, almost anything can be used as a weapon, but should not be carried specifically for that purpose, under UK law. It is a tool first and foremost and always. Of course, if you just happen to grab it while under attack and feeling frightened, that might be different.
For people who can and already carry a knife you can just have the tool set without the extra blade. I’d buy one.
Sounds cool , i can't wait to see what they put out . My wife is currently in Scotland on a short trip and was told when she asked about Saks that they're illegal there . Not so if you wish to carry a dirk under your kilt, as far as I can make it out.
91mm models are UK legal.
@DhavalMomaya that's what I thought unless Scotland has some local laws .I'm not sure
@LDspocketknives. I don't know current knife law in Scotland, but you are probably thinking of the Sgian Dubh, the small "black knife" usually carried in the stocking! In the past, they were "hidden knives", sometimes carried in the armpit, on the strap of the Sporran and semi-hidden by the pleats and so on, but not, as far as I know "under your kilt".
If you look up a true Scottish dirk, you are talking about a blade 10 to 14 inches long with a full sized handle. Not something you would wish or be allowed to carry "under your kilt". Indeed, Scottish attire is popular for weddings and many outfitters provide fake blades to tuck into the stocking. Some Scottish soldiers on parade in full dress uniform used to wear both the Sgian Dubh and the full-sized Dirk. Some Victorian versions are incredibly ornate and also have a small knife and fork attached. They seem to have had a symbolic value somewhat similar to the ornate Kothimora Kukri worn by senior Gurkhas or given as gifts. Many of the Dirks I have seen did not have sharp edges, whereas genuine Kothimora had very functional blades.
@charleshayes2528 thank you for that information , it's a great help
@@LDspocketknives. You are welcome. It is nice to have a polite interchange for a change, if you know what I mean? Some people on this page are getting heated over their misunderstanding of UK law and they don't live here. I am old enough to know better, but still think sensible commenting should be possible. I have a godson who enjoyed a book on all the things you can do with a stick, which we bought him and I think he might like some of the more fun aspects of camping and such. A Victorinox without a blade would probably make a good gift for him and wouldn't worry his parents in the way that a sharp knife might. I don't know if you are aware of Felix Immler and his youtube channel? He works with Victorinox knives, carving and making bushcraft items, including a water-driven rotisserie for cooking a chicken, using only materials found in the woods. His vids are full of hacks and tricks and tips for how you can use a SAK's tools. It would be good to show my godson some of those things, like using the hook to tighten your laces or to carry your shopping.
By the way, this link should help settle the debate about SAKs in Scotland.
Look under point 4 on this page:
basc.org.uk/firearms/knives/scottish-knife-law/#:~:text=The%20Criminal%20Law%20(Consolidation)%20(Scotland)%20Act%201995%20also,or%20part%20of%20national%20costume.
Basically, the law is identical to UK law as it applies to pocket knives. Blade 3 inches or less and folding. Unlike the law in the rest of the UK, this document does not explictly mention that the knife must also be non-locking, so that the knife is a "folder" at any time in its usage. However, I would not want to take a chance based on a missing word. Since certain fixed blade knives are allowed for religious reasons and for national dress, they may have a different attitude to locking blades.
Perhaps the person who spoke to your wife misunderstood the law or didn't really know about SAKs or even only knew about the larger SAKs that do have locking mechanisms and one-hand opening. (Another no-no, unfortunately. I know it is intended to prevent quick deploy of folders in a fight, but as a disabled person there are situations where a one-handed opening knife would be much easier and much safer for me than two-handed. Apparently, some US states that normally forbid switchblades (UK "flick knife") permit them to disabled, for example amputees who don't have two hands. UK law isn't that nuanced. I hope your wife is enjoying her visit to Scotland. It is a lovely place, with wonderful people and very varied landscape and some excellent liquid refreshment.
We will see what they come up with
a bladeless SAK would be perfect as a companion to like a Leatherman Skeletool. Like imagine, a 3-layer with scissors, file, and saw.
Jetsetter is an example
You don't need a cause for the knives described, but you do require a reason for other knives, i.e.,fixed blades, locking knives, and larger blades.
I just watched it and, honestly, I still don't have an opinion about it.
Indeed, it could be a strategy to avoid losing the market where there are restrictions in relation to blades, but wouldn't that mischaracterize the premise of SAK? After all, would a SAK without the "knife" cease to be a SAK?
On the other hand, I see the addition of tools for increasingly specific tasks as very positive. The ideal, perhaps, would be to implement such tools in the current line of SAK products and launch an exclusive line without the blades (a Swiss Army Tools -SAT 🤪)...
I personally only wish that they do not release any limited edition models just because. If they are going to be releasing Limited additions just to fit different markets, that’s just not gonna be good for me. Muito prazer. My wife is from Brazil. Where are you from? What city.
@@markcoffman494 exactly. I agree. I'm from Belo Horizonte city, Minas Gerais State.😉
@@augustobh1 João Pessoa, is where my wife is from. I’ve been to Brazil only ones. Beautiful country.
@@markcoffman494 In fact. My country is wonderful when it comes to natural beauty. João Pessoa is the capital of the state of Paraíba, 2,194 km away from my city. When you return to Brazil, I invite you to discover the beauty of the mountains and waterfalls in my state. I guarantee it will be an indescribable experience.
I will buy one for the office.
In my opinion, they need to provide a model with the most common tool set used. The tool set most likely required is scissors, flat screw driver/wire stripper, Phillips screw driver, tweezers ,pen , tooth pick, eye glass screw driver, pin, saw blade and file.
@donaldcarr8766 Great idea.
I have a Gerber Dime which adds a couple of tools that my SAK doesn't have, but it duplicates both the blade - which is smaller than the SAK small knife - and the scissors - they are junk and nowhere near as good as Victorinox. I would be happy to lose both of those tools for a better file and perhaps a metal saw. Yes, I can get all of that on a Victorinox SAK, along with all the tools that are on my Victorinox Huntsman, plus pliers, etc. but the number of layers makes those bigger 33 tool SAKs very unwieldy. I got the Gerber because the Huntsman doesn't have pliers, but to be fair, the Gerber Dime small file/screwdriver worked perfectly on a Philips type crosshead screw today, despite only having a flat blade tip. It was just wide enough to not tear up the middle of the screwhead whilst being narrow enough to fit easily.
It would be great if fully personalised/customised SAKs were more easily and cheaply available. I am not criticising Victorinox. The time and effort of producing a customised one-off for every customer that wanted one would mean costs would have to be huge. I am just unable to spend that much.
However, while I can see a lot of advantages to bladeless models, I do use my knife relatively often. I haven't yet found a use for the smaller blade, but I don't whittle or do fiddly cutting work. I probably use the scissors equally and have found that the saw makes a great scraper for my ferro rod, but I have to have a knife. Since the UK law, quite rightly, isn't going to let me carry my Kukri as an edc knife come axe, I will stick to my current SAK.
I'm fortunate enough to live and work where I can carry pretty much anything I want. But I know there's alot of people who can't carry blades where they work (hospitals, offices, etc), and I think it's cool that Victorinox is coming out with models that are more compatible for those situations. Cheers, buddy!
They already make a few bladeless knives, The Jet-Setter and nail clipper come to mind.
Anti-gun laws worked so well in the UK that now they have to ban pocket knives. What's next?
Baseball bats and forks?
It’s definitely going to be interesting to see what they come up with. As for criminals. They will always find a way to take advantage of the week her.
@@markcoffman494
Yeah exactly, ban one thing they'll find something else.
Definitely exciting, kind of forcing them to innovate more... the same tired old blades on every single knife are getting boring.
A mechanic type of tool would be amazing to have. A mini Victorinox ratchet or something along with the cyber-tool driver and some Allen keys along that line, definitely something I'd keep in the glove-box at all times.
Yep , hammers , baseball bats , forks . You’ll have to eat puréed meals because knives and forks will be illegal .
Hell , Cain killed Abel with a rock . What’s next . My yard is illegal as can be .
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It’s a Clownshow … 🤡🤡🤡
Some folks do more damage with words written in paper.
Pretty much yeah a non locking folder under three inches is perfectly legal and most of the time you don’t need a reason but if you go to a problematic area such as London ect they can be strict as hell I have heard about certain areas being no knife zones due to crime but carrying knives in cities is definitely not liked I grew up in the countryside and with the jobs I’ve done a knife is a very normal thing it’s basically boils down to don’t be a knob and using common sense if you think you should not have ur knife on u lol ur probs right 😂
But I can see a liking for this idea without the blade be handy thing for people who don’t like carrying a blade on them I’d probably carry one in cities or keep it at my desk
The uks laws aren’t actually that bad 😂 people just seem to cry about it needing a reason for a lock is a bit daft but i don’t really see many problems from it i do wish I could carry a small fixed blade everywhere but oh well
I am so very excited about all of this. I ride my bicycle sometimes 20 miles away and I have had issues. A Victorinox with bike tools is amazing. The Leatherman Knifeless Rebar is something I use the most, since I can bring it to stores, without any doubt I will be caught with it and have knife regulation issues. I have seen people get arrested for simply someone seeing it or it falling out of they're pocket. This made an awesome start to my day, thank you. 😀
Rip victorinox.
You dont need a reason to carry a SAK in the uk see sec 139 criminal justice act 1988
Change the name to French Army Knife
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Brace yourselves! The end is nigh! It's the pocket knife apocalypse! How dare a company remove the blade from a pocket knife and still expect us to call it a pocket knife. And can you believe a tool for cyclists thinks it's worthy of the pocket knife title?
But seriously folks: let's all take a deep breath and not turn a pocket knife into a pocket melodrama. The drama on social media can be more entertaining than a sitcom sometimes. Let's just remember, it's just a tool, folks. Buy a knife and carry on with a smile!😂😂
Stop calling this one a knife. Can't have a knife without a blade.
What do you call a knife without a blade? Need a new name...
UK here. I think you misinterpreted the laws here. According to Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 you do NOT need valid reason to carry a folding pocket knife, provided that the blade is under 3in/7.62cm and that it does not lock. For all other knives you do need valid reason. Examples are given on the government website including taking a larger or fixed bladed knife to an exhibition, wearing it as part of your religion (Sikhs can carry a Kirpan) or national costume (Scotsman in full traditional dress including kilt, can carry a Sgian Dubh) but also on your way to or going about your work. For example a chef taking his knives to work, which I used to do. We just use common sense and put those knives in a roll inside our bag.
Other countries in Europe actually have stricter knife laws i.e. you're not even allowed a Victorinox Classic in public, e.g. Ireland.
However this is a good idea as some of us in the UK have legal folders such as the Spyderco Urban, Manly Wasp, Bokerplus Tech Tool 1, and hundreds more. We like these but we also like the toolset on our SAKs. As in the USA some do actually carry both but it's a nice idea to have a bladeless option to pair up. Also these are good for situations where you are not permitted to carry any knife e.g. airports.
Nothing new and a lot of scandal for nothing. It will be only one model or a single line of multitool without cutting blade. Victorinox already did it with the Jetsetter model and with the Nail Clip 582. Other brands have also done it, for example, the Dime Travel model from Gerber.
Why keep going along with it?
Why not fight the laws that do nothing?
Next you won’t be able to have A screwdriver, a ruler, and so on.
They just keep taking and taking.
@kylethedalek. It isn't publicised, but various people have fought against various aspects of the law. For example, the ban on Samurai Swords actually banned "curved" blunt training swords whilst leaving razor sharp straight knock-offs unscathed. While the Martial Arts community did not get the government to admit that the ban was stupid, they did get some restrictions softened. So Martial Artists can own items based on being "licenced" members of a Martial Arts Club. Traditional and Traditionally made Swords fall outside the ban completely - but Chinese hand-made swords are quite cheap and could put sharp replica swords into the hands of the wealthier thugs and idiots. However, the recent events in London, including the death of a 14 year old at the hands of an adult wielding what looked like a "Samurai" sword mean that everything could change. The police probably don't think about or know about the difference between a modern replica, even if sharp, and a genuine antique, so the real thing could be banned, even for Martial Arts. Strictly, the problem is about policing. The guy had this in his van. It wasn't sitting in a collection at home when he went nuts. So, he was already breaking the law without a specific ban on Samurai Swords. But no one caught him taking it to his van or taking it from his van and this is despite London (and the UK) having some of the world's highest numbers of street cameras. No disrespect to the police. But if there were a system of checks in place as used to apply to gun and shotgun ownership, then perhaps, this man would not have been able to purchase such a sword.
@@charleshayes2528 None of the Gun laws in the U.K. changed the gun crime rate, or mas shooting rate…
There was very few before and still very few after.
There was a shooting not long ago, the system failed.
There is has been multiple shootings with illegal guns this year.
There has been multiple grenade attacks.
Plus all the ones you don’t hear about or get reported.
Disarming the masses does nothing, the bad guys don’t care about the laws so it make easier victims when there is people who can’t fight back.
You should need to get a check for anything, the majority never do wrong.
If everyone had one would you want to mis user yours?
And your doing is going to cause more bans and restrictions as your bending the knee.
If the current nanny state laws don’t work why would adding more do it?
Which would punish the majority who won’t miss use them.
The cops have also admitted they can’t stop all crime or respond in time…
So they couldn’t get sued.
It’s time to go back and allow people to defend themselves.
You know the victims there and then could actually stop a crime, not someone in a uniform 5 mins away.
The FBI have said the majority of self defence incidents with weapons is nothing more than the brandishing of the tool.
(It was way over 90% of the cases.)
Even if the bad guy or guy were armed or not, they don’t want to get into a battle unless it’s gang related, even then most of those killings are drive by’s.
Gosh the snowflakes strikes again