I'm taking this into my own hands... - YouTube Dislike Button
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CZcams removed the Dislike counter from beside the thumbs-down button...but there's a way we can bring it back using a Chrome Extension and a little stick-to-itiveness
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 What CZcams did
1:58 What we can do about it
2:40 How well does it work?
4:30 What about new videos?
5:40 How CZcamsrs can help
6:20 Looking at the Numbers
7:40 What about Mobile?
9:15 Am I doing the right thing?
10:50 Why is CZcams doing this?
13:13 outro - Věda a technologie
Dmitrii sent this to me via Discord and asked me to pin it under the video. I asked him to post it himself, but the post immediately disappeared for some reason so here we are :p -LS
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Hey, thanks for an amazing video on my extension!
I wanted to clarify a couple of your concerns.
1. What's in it for me?
First of all - it's extremely cool to make something that over a million people use. It looks very nice on my resume (I've already been contacted by a few of VERY interesting companies). So this alone justifies the efforts that I've put into this extension. A month ago nobody knew about me, and today Linus Tech Tips releases an entire video dedicated to my pet-project. I think it's worth not watching youtube videos for a month.
2. Regarding "sketchy" sponsors - I've googled every one of them, and didn't find anything negative. The VPN that you mentioned exists for 10 years, has over a million Google Play installs and a score of 4.8 - so I thought it's good enough to be a sponsor. If anything negative came to my attention - I would terminate relations immediately.
3. Regarding extension users data.
Every user sees exactly what is being sent to the server, and since this data is anonymised - I do not believe that it's sellable. We do not access CZcams\Google account name or email used with the account. We create a random anonymous ID - and that is the only user identifier that we store.
Cheers!
I'm here as well, but when I comment on top level - I get shadow banned by CZcams.
@@elfanarion why isnt everything open sourced?
CZcams must be anti-vax with long covid. It's lost full functionality and keeps pretending the problem doesn't exist.
@@elfanarion I'll be using your extension on my desktop from now on, thank you for spending your time putting this together, I truly believe it's making a difference.
Didn't adblock start super simple and direct then started selling your data
all youtube had to do was let the creators decide what they wanted to do.
Fun Fact, THEY COULD DO IT, there was an option for them to use it... which showed us this crap was only an excuse
But where's the money in that?
By removing dislikes, they can basically sell snake oil to advertisers.
"Hey advertisers, you might want to place ads on our YT Rewind video.
IT HAS 1M LIKES! (but 10M dislikes)
Pay us to show your ads!"
@@TheSkooterbords that's why in its original form, you can't remove only the dislikes. You have to remove both or keep both.
They probably would’ve only took the surveys from people who always get lot of dislikes and be like “see! See!! Told you!!”
All youtube creators had to do was unionize and force youtube's hand, yet they chose to do nothing and let it happen.
9:20 - The sad thing is CZcams basically created this whole dilemma. And nobody I've heard from so far has agreed with CZcams's decision.
Didn't expect to see so many creators in the comments so suddenly. Glad to see people talking about it.
I'm scared but curious to see what the change means for the near future, but time will tell.
Most likely, we'll have that false positivity create a shallow culture that shushes down mental health among the latest generations of young viewers and makes them think depression doesn't exist and should be shamed to silence etc. (worst case scenario I can imagine). Besides the monetization practices that hurt our collective well being.
All the stockholders
Hi Jeff, nice work with your RPi videos as always!
This is why you shouldn't let one person dominates the right of community, where's the democracy, or yet, people's right then?
I'm saying it's on SW. The one and only.
@@I.chouboy SW?
CZcams removing the dislike was one of the biggest failures in Google's history. It's right up there with trying to make users convert existing account to Google+ and mandatory to view CZcams videos. Definitely supporting this plug-in.
Thank you for citing something truly of the same magnitude. Still amongst one of the stupidest "mistakes" Google's made in its illustrious career of stupid/malicious moves.
it wasn't a mistake, it was so big corporations, hollywood and disney would stop getting embarrassed on the platform...they need to take away people's voices to create the illusion of isolation to keep peddling their propaganda and selling piss poor products...
Yeah, I had to fight hard on that google+ garbage.
God, don't remind me of that hellhole.
One bad thing from each of a few random big corporations:
AirBnB promotes homelessness, buying up low income housing and converting it to high income short stays.
IBM supported Nazi Germany and utilizes anti-consumer AI tools.
Cloudflare recently protected a number of child pornography sites for long enough that the owners got away scot free, though the sites did at long last lose their protection. They then lied about it.
Oracle will never be happy not kicking people's teeth in until it owns every software language in existence.
Google steals intellectual property from others and claims to represent them in order to gain new customers, particularly liking to bully rivals in poor countries.
Big corporations do a lot of really evil stuff. Taking away the dislike button? Lol. It doesn't rank high on the list. Neither does the silly Google+ thing. Corporations are evil...and you whine about random inconveniences. I really hope you don't know all the crazy shit they pull, or your priorities are whack.
RIP CZcamsVanced
Would you look at that, a big youtube channel talking about it would be a BAD thing!
This video is a clear sign of every single people needs to know what they are talking enough to talk about it.
@@Makarov13778 they had 14 million users and its kinda annoying that after 2 years i need to look for a new app ^^'
rip
Linus posted this in a low key attempt to kill it so he doesn't lose ad revenue
The fact that people are going this far to bring back dislikes is just proof of how terrible of an idea removing dislikes is.
Hitler went pretty far too..
imagine if they removed dislikes from comments lmao
@@wadurito Not far enough. Proof is that Susan W’s preceding lineage made it far enough to bring her into existence.
@@latinouncle8752 did youtube have a dislike button counter on comments at any point it its existence? Comments didn't have a dislike counter for so many years now
@@wadurito That was one of the quickest Ad Hitlerums I've seen in a while. Nice logical fallacy you have there.
I have to admit the worst boss i've ever had, is youtube... I join the RIP Channels, with many of my colleagues in the same category...
Wow, top Video has 23.000.000 views and the last one posted about 5.000 … maybe try shorts from your old videos on a new channel?
It aint much but I'll watch a couple vids my guy the algorithm did you dirty.
I looked at your content. To me it just looks like your views are determined on how good your thumbnails are. When you have a really good clickbait thumbnail it looks like you get a lot of views and when your thumbnails look pretty uninteresting it looks like you get a lot lot lot less views. Maybe try hiring someone to make thumbnails that look like your multi million dollar thumbnails look would be my guess in how you could get back into the CZcams game.
Seems to help if you make everything about your channel more annoying, talk faster and make shorter videos...so you're a blur of garish flashing monstrosity~
@@tobiastho9639 won't help in the long run, though, there's a huge problem on youtube, and that's how the algorithm actually crushes good content creators, CZcams does whatever it can to ruin channels that aren't extremely woke, or owned by the extremely rich such as Bill Gates, George Soros, etc. It's not even something they hide.
Right before CZcams implemented this change, I ran into a video on how to build your own hydrogen generator. I'm lucky I saw the dislike counter because I would have definitely blown my entire house up. The guy created a generator that did work but didn't safely implement the gas causing a lot of buildup and eventually it would cause a massive explosion. He was just using a normal gasoline powered generator.
Google's change could straight up kill people, but some people getting "bullied" by disproportionate dislikes are more important, apparently
His video might have blown your house up but your dislikes make him feel bad. Don't you care about his feelings?
this is a great example of why the dislike counter sould be returned
@@4.0.4 i think he cares about his house more than someones feelings
@@shivensharma1277 It was sarcasm
"Reduce dislike attacks..." pretty sure this was just for their CZcams Rewind videos. I used the dislike bar to gauge how accurate or useful a tutorial video was, now I have no metric. It was a ridiculous change that no one asked for.
same here...I often craft or troubleshoot something, and based on like/dislike ratio I instantly knew if the video is gonna be helpful or not. Also learning something new from tutorials etc. Now you have to either try it yourself or scroll down the comments to find out if the video is actually on point, mentionless that a lot of people just delete negative comments.
it was also to hide the dislikes on the white house page
Agreed, I have no idea which tutorial videos are actually useful anymore especially when it comes to areas where I don't know which content creator is reputable in that particular field.
And even worse, how does CZcams discern a "dislike attack" from a genuine, disliked video, as in, organically mass disliked? They can't, and the fact CZcams hasn't shared their "data" from their "study" shows that they probably didn't reach the conclusion they want us to believe.
Also, one of the main tenets of mental health is "you're not alone", and all this change does is make viewers feel alone when they click dislike on a video they disagree with.
It hurts the mental health of viewers.
We want to stop people disliking current news and politics that we promote on the front page - google..
CZcams literally picked the worst possible “solution” to the problem. The dislike counter was one of the most valuable tools for those who watch tutorial content
Exactly , now i have to check coments or worse see the whole video.Its crazy
@@chrisvasiakos7623 and the creator can delete comments they don't like
It seems very unlikely to me that CZcams is completely transparent about their reasoning behind removing the dislike button. If you're thinking "how are they this dumb" or "this is the worst solution ever", it's more likely that they're just lying to you about what the actual problem they're trying to solve is.
I've stopped using YT for tutorials if I'm watching from a phone now that the dislike counter is gone
@@fredrikbystrom7380 totally agree
Google removes the dislike to force you to watch the video whether the video is good or bad.
They don't want you to know the video quality by other's opinion, they just want you to waste your time on CZcams.
This really makes me angry.🤬🤬🤬
this is easily the thing that makes me the most upset about the problem... not knowing from a glance whether or not the video was well received (or at the very least controversial)
Big brain CZcams: We don't support scammers in our platform.
Also on CZcams:
"Get free GTA V on your mobile device."
"Free Roblox cash?"
"Easier way to get a legendary weapon on CSGO"
"How to make easy money by doing nothing"
.....
I find it hard to believe that Google can build cars that drive themselves but can't come up with a solution to filter out organized dislike attacks.
Steam has a filter to hide/show review bombs on their store, its been done before so its sad to see CZcams take the lazy route
they're two entirely different problems a self driving car uses decades worth of inventions towards that specific goal to be achievable and still only barely functions in real life scenarios dont compare the two. But they can use steams method of time stamping likes/dislikes into most recent and overall
They don't give two sh!%$ about organized dislike attacks. They only care about stifling actual disapproval of their main funders and friends i.e. Pfizer the Whitehouse channel etc. In no minute sense do they care about a single content creator. It's all about the Benjamin's to them and control of the narrative.
@@SomeReefer they do care about stopping dislike attacks a little for one reason, because it might cause them to lose money.
@@SomeReefer Google doesn't care if anti-vax nutjobs or pro-Trump wankoids dislike videos but you can continue to pretend they're really mad when you write "let's go brandon" on a Whitehouse video
If you need or want anything from me to help gather more data, let me know! (I know we have a lot of ways of getting in contact). Been a long-time fan, and am happy to help support this initiative by providing my own non-monetary numbers, if they're needed. Thanks for bringing a lot more attention to this problem! I really hope CZcams turns around on this crap at some point.
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Hank
i dont have faith in youtube doing the right thing :/
Did not expect to see you here lol
Pro gamer moment
Over a year later, I'm still pissed about this.
The reason he started the project is for fun. Software engineers frequently write software for FUN! That's it. Once It became popular he probably just figured he might as well continue doing it, especially with the influx of users, donations, and a growing community that supports it.
This for sure! (Source: programmer who does stuff like that!)
Yeah, even Mark Roper with 21 million subs only posts when he wants to, which is not that often. Me, I am just busy. I always have dozens of videos waiting for me to finish them, just piles of raw footage waiting around.
Honestly it kills me because I use CZcams to learn how to work on cars, solve puzzles in games, etc. Not seeing dislike counters means I can be 20 mins in to a car repair video and not have any indication that the guy is an idiot or that it's a waste of my time. BRING BACK THE DISLIKE (he yells in to a never ending abyss of CZcams comments)
I heard the echo!
Honestly, this! To be honest, my somewhat cynical belief is that this is a big reason for the removal. Watch time and time spent on the platform is what drives revenue on CZcams because it directly correlates to the number of and duration of ads shown. Sure, ruining the user experience will drive some users away (permanently lost revenue), but they’ve seen from TikTok that many people are willing to sit through non-validated content.
Yea dislike is really important to identify if the video is useful or not
Like some vid are just ads to sell their own software mostly have higher dislike
And if without dislike…
watch it all and say f at last when u find that is useless :)
Anything lower than 10% likes to views is doubtful, anything higher is usually worth to watch. So far this works for me.
@@audiogek 10% likes to views and higher only really happens with dedicated creators who have a following, or a dedicated niche. Small creators don't get those kinds of numbers unless its a really good video.
My channel primarily focuses on history related content so I went ahead and checked a recent videos like to dislike ratio with the plugin to see the accuracy. In total the video I chose has gotten around 1.8 million views with my analytics showing 705 dislikes. With the plugin it was slightly higher at 772. The video was published a day before the cutoff on the 13th but the vast majority of views would have been after that point.
Checking one of my more recent videos shows a fairly close estimate as well.
Love your tonk Video
Love your vids man
Seems like it would make more sense for the extension to add its own counter next to the YT one that shows the likes/dislikes of its users.
Seems within margin of error and definitely close enough to serve its purpose.
Love your content. Glad to see you here!
Cleary, advertising was the reason that dislikes buttons are gone. This is not QoL change for content creators: this is for corporation's advertising campaigns.
I wouldn't be surprised if CZcams execs getting their feelings hurt from their CZcams Rewind videos getting dislike bombed was the main catalyst behind why they decided to get rid of the dislike button.
We all know the reason CZcams removed the dislike button because their egos got hurt when CZcams rewind was the most disliked video on CZcams.
The most offensive thing about this entire situation is that CZcams has made it very clear that they don't care about what its creators and users think or feel about this change. The people against the removal of the dislike counter is far greater than the ones that were for it and that's extremely concerning for the platform moving forward.
I don't think there is ANYBODY who supports this decision. Never heard a single person or read a single comment that supports this decision
Yeah probably uninstall CZcams tbh and use other services. I see more open content on other services in foreign countries not regulated so hard with better algorithms to show me content I like. Instead of did you see dog smiles at owner 14miion views in one hour. Okay I was searching electrical stators :/
i wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that youtube rewind was consistently breaking records for the largest dislike counts on youtube
The thing is though most of those complaining probably haven't been on the receiving end of mass dislike abuse. As someone who works in web development and has worked on user created content platforms that have had likes and dislikes you do see a point where dislikes reach a critical mass and it basically makes it a call to action for users be it because people think its funny to join in or because that human nature of wanting to be in the in crowd kicks in. As such its not that hard for bad actors to start such an attack with a little bit of co-ordination. And fairly often as you have no actual context for dislikes these can be even more damaging mentally for people, with comments you can at least get an idea as they can explain themselves, is it constructive criticism about the video or is it trolls, you can see and choose to dismiss the idiots and use the constructive ones to improve but a dislike you don't really know what and many people go to the worst case that people just hated it. And even if as some people want to claim that its about the big brands you have to remember there is still an actual person at the other end, often a junior who isn't that well paid but whose job can actually depend on the engagement figures so if they are being bombard by the extremist idiots looking to abuse internet features to push their extreme agendas and stop any discourse around their extreme stance that's a lot of stress on someone who has nothing to do with the reason the abuse is happening.
As users we actually need to stop complaining about the platforms removing features that they originally had with good intentions but were hijacked to be used for bad and instead we need to actually goto war with the petty extremists groups on both far ends because as long as they use features designed for good as weapons to harass people we are just going to see more and more nice features we have been given being removed because if they don't they get criticised for not doing anything to protect users being harassed
@@SimonWakefieldUK Na, I'll take a dislike button. I rarely dislike but when I do its because it's my personal opinion that it can be improved. The dislike was removed because people didn't like videos that are force fed to the masses.
Admittedly I never "suffered" a dislike brigade. But I truly appreciated my audience being able to see the dislike ratio. Was a great way to get feedback .. . . And then comments and feedback on that feedback in comments. Made me know if I was on the right track.
It sounds like having a very positive like-to-dislike ratio is a great way to assure prospective viewers that the video is worth watching. I imagine it helps to build trust, in the same way that a video with a poor ratio helps users to avoid, or encourages users to dig a little deeper to understand the reaction.
almost everybody never suffered a dislike brigade.. only youtube's shitty "rewinds" and garbage like justin bieber / rebecca black suffer those lmao
People can still dislike videos and leave feedback. How does removing the dislike button change anything about the things you described?
@@gg-gn3re and don't forget the largest offender, mainstream narrative.
@@fkdkdkfkrkska48485 you should probably read the many comments that answer your question.
Valve dealt with this issue the right way. Don't hide data, just filter out the stuff you believe to be irrelevant but still keep all data points available for everyone to scrutinize.
That's not a bad idea, dislikes from people that watched at least 50% of the video, for example. Just a random thought.
Tell me more. I usually love Valve for most of the things they do differently than other companies.
@@filleswe91 Steam had a big problem with review bombing (people leaving negative reviews on a game without playing the game because they dislike the developer or publisher) and they implemented a system where you see a visual timeline of positive and negatives reviews (so you can literally see a dislike wave), a score for longtime reviews and recent reviews, the reviewers playtime of the game (so you can see the 0.0 hrs reviews) and an algorithm that limits the review possibility if a very abnormal number of reviews are coming in without any legit reason (like the game release or an update). And while the algorithm for sure isn't perfect, it's a good effort and a fitting compromise for this kind of problem. CZcams could do similar things by for example showing the average watchtime of viewers who liked and disliked (so you can see 10m vs. 2s), showing a visual timeline or showing a warning if the numbers are abnormal for the video (or the creator). And they are fully capable of doing this, there are some clever engineers at CZcams, the whole system is very optimized, they just don't want to do it, but instead giving us bs reasons...
Yeah i kinda like how valve counter works, wecan track spesific moment when highly dislike or like happen (usually when new update happen)
@@Blex_040 Do you not see how overly complex that is for someone who's just on youtube to see a video? It makes sense for a digital game store so people who are interested in purchasing a game have that information, because they're spending their money for it. People don't look for that information on youtube because they don't care and won't bother looking into how legitimate the dislikes in a video are. How do I know this? Because the vast majority of people don't bother looking into information they read on the internet to begin with, they take it at face value.
You forgot to touch on one key point about the dislike counter being removed. The fact that developers can still see their dislikes completed negates CZcams claim that is it for harassment. This is clearly not their intent.
Yes, it is clear they are lying.
Developers can no longer see it. That's what this whole "API Removal" was about. Some developers could apply for an exemption IF they promised NOT to share counts to the average viewer.
@@JoSephGD He meant youtubers instead of developers. Even Linus in this video said he can see the dislikes
You're wrong though. This way the harassment at least doesn't go public. Anyway that's not the reason they removed it. They did it in order to get rid of the evidence how they've been manipulating the numbers removing dislikes etc. for years already. And people caught up with it, so this was their plan B.
IT's 100% for the publicity m8; you get on the plattform looking for something, you get into bad content on a 3/4 ratio as you see 4x the publicity.
PS: I have no doubts 'bout it, I mean...does anyone?
RIP YT v*nced. Anyways I ain't gonna whitelist this channel for ads.
7:41 And now V*nced get a C&D email, and thus will be taken down because you mentioned it here
Thank you very much for ruining my CZcams experience, I guess
It will probably run for a couple of years, then something new will be made
81 likes, proves that everyone came here first
LTT totally knew this would happen if they mentioned it, too. They will financially benefit from fewer people blocking ads and sponsor segments on their videos.
There will always be an alternative
I think it's really because the devs tried profiting off of the app with NFTs
It's actually hilarious how Google used to be generally liked and it feels the moment that stopped happening was when they removed all traces of "Don't be evil" like Saturday morning cartoon villains
that is exactly when it happened, they are evil now.
@@reygar80 They were the same before they just stopped pretending... Mostly...
They had to remove , Don't be evil.
The AI kept returning does not compute.
they are pretty much fully evil now
I think it also happened when they removed the fun google searches.. like elgoog or zerg rush or gravity.
French youtuber (100K+) speaking here. I've been using the plugin for several weeks now and from what I can see the ratios provided by the plugin were consistently accurate with a + -5 percent margin for my videos. Which is pretty awesome! But as said in the video, my case is maybe also a little biased knowing that I spoke about the extension on my channel a week ago ... Very happy that big CZcamsrs like Linus also share this project!
What this software can't do though, is create values for a video that would stand out as being a really good video or a really bad one, according to viewers, and every channel has those. So, I find something that simply uses some kind of average to predict ratings on any video pretty much worthless.
@@johndoh5182 But it can? Watch the segment starting from 6:25 again
same here
@@johndoh5182 you're just wrong. We never use average for entire channel.
I believe using the plugin is anti-semitic unless the developers allow Israêl to access the plugin's complete data and allow them to FULLY MONITOR the users of the plugin, Google (CZcams) does it, the plugin developers needs to do the same!
I am a student . Dislikes used to show me if an instruction video was worthy of watching or not . Specially in some field of pharmacy wrong data or bad instructions are more than the good ones. This has been very hard . Wasteing a lot of time .
Right now youtube feeds me a lot of ads specially non skipable ads and then hides dislike button and i get scam commdnts extensively !! What the h.. are you doing youtube? Get your Sh… together !!
Thank you for ruining vncd
Revanced exists, check it out.
"its to protect small creators!"
small creators: "We never wanted that!"
big companies:
Linus: you're a conspiracy theorist for even hinting at that.
@@TheDisgruntledImperial You do know what a conspiracy theory is right?
Exactly. CZcams literally does nothing for small creators.
@@BasicShapes false. CZcams uses them as stepping stones
@@ungrave5231 Yes, but conspiracy theory has gained a second connotation. Literally speaking, it's a conspiracy theory. But no one says "conspiracy theory" with a straight face. In today's use of the word, it means you're also a crackpot, and not to be taken seriously.
Thank you so much for making this video. We need more CZcamsrs to back this project. Happy to see someone like LTT doing it!
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Oh hey sal
i did expect to see antvenom here but not you guys xD hey
Hewwo :3
i love you sal and ur content pleased to see u back it
09:12 "what's his end game?" To develop an app that he distributes and maintains freely out of the goodness of his own heart, like many open source and freeware devs have been doing now for decades... Not everything has to have an agenda attached to it, and the minute I start allowing Linus to be the person who prompts me into though provoking behavior (vs the dev who is obviously very altruistically motivated) is the day my ability to think critically dies.
I think this is also earning the dev some money so maybe money?
I 'spose he's looking at it through the glasses of a businessman - as he's kinda lived and breathed that for the last 10+ years.
You’ve got to think off it from Linus’ prospective he is in a world where everyone gets something out of what you do there isn’t just doing a colab with someone for fun they want a cut off the money on the video when your that big you know business wise everyone has an angle
Running an extension that is handling millions of videos data isn't a thing you do once a week, the extension will need constant maintenance and bug fixes especially as more and more users will use and find flaws.
It could turn into a full-time job which if so, the developer will need to monetise it in some way.
So there's a video titled "The Dark Side of Open Source" with the simple counterpoint to this: It's just not sustainable if it takes enough effort and the dev can't make a living off it.
When Linus examines everyone's motivations, even the extension creator's, and his own, that's critical thinking.
Aside, there's also a quote from the Joker: "If you're good at something never do it for free."
“We experimented removing the dislike count and did see a reduction”
Bro if you also remove like counts, you’ll see a reduction in likes. If you remove view count, you’ll see a reduction in views. That’s not research, that’s how basic math works.
Here's the problem I have with all of this.
First, as a creator, I can still see the dislike ratio. So it's not done anything to help content creators mental health.
Second, the algo isn't ignoring the dislikes, so if someone comes and dislike bombs you, the damage will still be done.
It's virtue signaling and does nothing to solve the problem they claim it was meant to solve. And I've had dislike bombing affect one of my videos and I still don't support this. I'll be installing the extension for sure, and hopefully Google will find an actually useful way of stopping the practice... but I won't count on it.
The only person it hurts is the viewers themselves. Which are the true money makers for Google. Obviously there's no platform without the creators, but there's also no platform without the viewers as well. And Linus brought it up very briefly, but the DIY space is a huge area where the like/dislike buttons are important. And especially with the nature of how 30 seconds worth of content is getting drawn out into 10+ minutes, I don't have time to be wasting that much time trying to learn something.
This!!! This is exactly why CZcams‘s excuse is BS. The uploader can still see the dislikes they still feel the mental anguish of the dislikes just because the public doesn’t see it doesn’t mean that the creator doesn’t see it. CZcams needs to come up with a real reason. We’re not morons just tell us.
Well they do acknowledge that creators can still see their dislikes. It's jut that the viewer not seeing them gives them less motivation to dislike that video. This comment was way too easy for you to write.
It's done to stop people disliking probaganda. Nothing else. Have you seen the like/dislike ratio from Biden or other government officials or from surtain companies?
You forgot choice D. It obfuscates the public being able to actually see public opinion, which is a problem when you are telling people what to believe
"it's for the creator's mental health"
"The creator is the only one who can see the dislike counter"
Ok Google, do you see the irony here?
and they have still not hidden it as deep they told they would do - you can see ratio still on the "Channel content" page
“It’s okay because they really have to look for it to find it!” Putting the feelings of a content creator over your viewers is the problem. The viewer is the one that can be conned by clickbait videos, disinformation, and scams. Now there is no metric to distinguish a good video from a bad one. Comments can be moderated, dislikes can’t be. That was the one advantage we had over crap videos and it’s gone. If you can’t handle an arbitrary dislike counter then you shouldn’t even be making videos for the public. Stay as a private citizen and get a job that isn’t on the internet. CZcams users need to see dislikes.
the irony is most youtubers also voice their dislikrs to this change of dislikes
Not into this change, but that actually has a reason. People will tend to be mean in the comments if they see the video was disliked many times. Same happen with the top comments. You will tend to think as (one of) the first comments you read. That's why you can buy comments, and it's widely used in news sites. That's part of why google decided to control what you see in the comment sections, instead of being transparent. And it's pretty sh1tt y because at the end of the day they show or hide what they want. It's not the whole picture anymore.
Even if it really was to "protect the creator's mental health", that's not a good idea. If someone is uploading content that is widely disliked, they need to know that. People need to hear when their ideas or content are bad or they'll just keep putting out bad content. The reason we're so screwed up right now is because of people whose ideas have never been subjected to criticism.
"reduce dislike attacks" when the creator could've already choose weather to have likes and dislikes shown or hidden, then they add ads then sell a premium for no ads, what a disgusting sensitive corporate thing to do.
Everyone gets a trophy. I've heard small channels say they want the dislikes back just so they can figure out what worked and what failed from an outside view to make better videos. Really disappointed with CZcams lately.
CZcams has lost their minds. Instead of listening to the community, they just Double down on their mistakes.
It will be fun to watch this unfold. Every time someone is willfully retarded they get hit with a reality check, and it is only a matter of time before CZcamss stupidity reaches critical mass and they get their ass kicked. Hopefully that day is going to be soon.
Them and every other Silicon Valley, mainstream media source and Democrat.
No, they have not. They know exactly what they are doing, protecting large corporations interests that complained about their videos having one aspect that can't be easily manipulated that shows them in a negative light. It has nothing to do with politics or political topics. These are the ultra rich crying about peasants painting them in a negative light.
While I still wouldn't claim it as perfect, I believe Steam's way of handling this kind of situation was far more nuanced and considerate of the larger picture. Instead of taking away _any_ information from the public eye, Valve added _more_ data by providing historical data of their game's recommendation ratios so that you *as the user* can have the tools you need to identify whether or not a game was review bombed (for any reason, good or bad) or simply disliked over time for being mediocre at best. And on top of that, if Valve decides to regress or delete the weight of a review bombing due to a malicious practice, you _get to see that and why they did it._ It's still perhaps not the perfect solution, but I genuinely believe it's a far better one than CZcams's current approach.
It IS the perfect solution, plus, it also tries to feed you 50% reccomended and 50% not reccomended at first even if 90% of them are not reccomended to see the weights on both sides. Nothing gets better than this
The thing is, Google already does remove review bombs on their playstore but couldn't be assed to do it on YT?
@@freevbucks8019 I wouldn't say perfect but a million times better of a solution than this bullcrap
^^^^ THIS! Someone needs to pin this.
Having good nuanced solutions to problems is exception. The #1 rule is "You cannot have fun and nice things".
They already had a way to protect super dislikes... the content creator could disable them. This is for big companies like Disney who put out garbage & get massive dislikes on a product or service or movie trailer.
The first time I saw the dislike ratio gone I immediately went to add this extension and it really feels no different from before. The dislike ratio was a ratio I looked at very often to gauge how authentic videos were, now I have to rely more on comments and if comments are not there, I will more often not watch the video.
"to protect small creators"
A bloody excuse to protect corporations
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THREE IN ONE
L...❤❤❤...
CZcams: THIS IS FINE.
THREE IN ONE
SOMEONE: SAYS ''HECK''.
CZcams: BE GONE
Life's story is a short journey so have fun before sleeping forever
#Чо #эт #делает #на #2 #месте #в #тренде
#однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков .#垃圾.
Megan: ''Hotter''
Hopi: ''Sweeter''
Joonie: ''Cooler''
Yoongi: ''Butter''
Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались.
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter" .
ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
!💖🖤❤️#今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした #今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！ #１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！ #まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした #垃圾 今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,. 💖🖤在整個人類歷史上，強者，富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，氏族，城鎮，城市和鄉村中的弱者，無`'守和貧窮成員。然而，人類的生存意願迫使那sfdsd些被拒絕，被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。. 說到食物，不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。相反，他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。他們學會了清潔，切塊，調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，在食品``
And the White House’s failures.
@@smoketinytom Them as well. I think the initial reason is that news sites are being ratioed after they post fake news. Combined with the lack of comments they are desperate to hide their lies.
Likes and dislikes could be hidden even before.
Small Creators like Netflix, CNN, the White House...
Based on my data from 5 of my most recent videos (i chose 5 because 4 of them were uploaded after the 13th and the other one got most of its views after the 13th), the shown dislike rating at it's most inaccurate was about 20% too low, but for the other ones it generally underestimated between 2 and 10%.
Also as someone who was "attacked" by a disliking brigade back when my channel was really small, I honestly didn't care much because when 20 of your videos suddenly have 3x more dislikes than likes overnight you know that it's just someone messing with you.
Cool
@@dapz its good to hear insight from someone who has been "attacked" on their opinion because youtube says to "think about the victim" but then ignore when they know that the dislikes were artificially created
@@dapz superhuman
Our god watches linus sexual intercourse tips
Now YT V*nced is gone. Thank you Linus, Really thanks.
Thanks for letting me know of this. Lack of dislike button is the worst change ever implemented on any social media to the date.
As a small youtuber and a software developer, I highly appreciate the effort of trying to keep dislikes alive. To join the bandwagon, I decided to try a different approach and created an extension to extract emotions from the comments. So it doesn't need any user permissions besides accessing the youtube page content. And the project is fully open-sourced. Although it is not working for every video, I think it has potential use for technical videos. I am not currently actively developing it, however if someone wants to learn more about it or further improve the project, the details can be found on my channel.
That's interesting, but how would that be any accurate, if at all?
then again the creators can also remove comments.
But the real trolls just remove the negative comments.
You need a metric that the creator of the video has no control over.
Fine, I'll do it myself
''I understood that reference''
Literally all they had to do was give creators the option to disable the dislike counter on videos individually or by default.
The fact they chose to force it on the entire platform despite the massive negative feedback prior to it going live feels much more like they just want to minimize criticism of themselves and their corporate partners.
The engineers at Google are not dumb, and I refuse to believe there were insurmountable technical limitations that would have prevented better solutions.
Just giving individual creators the ability to enable/disable dislikes doesn't solve the whole problem. A lot of the benefit of dislikes is steering viewers away from bad, including malicious, content. If a creator is up to no good, or perhaps is just frustrated that their videos are getting dislikes, they'll simply disable dislikes on their channel. Perhaps the more savvy could come to view hidden dislikes as equivalent to massive dislikes, but it's not going to protect the more vulnerable users.
@@LadyLexyStarwatcher wtf are you talking about?
@@Hamster1022 A comparison of parties who may experience mental anguish when subjected to certain stimuli, and then a personal anecdote. She makes an admissible point.
I will elucidate slightly. Creators are not forced to confront the dislikes number or to face public backlash, whether it be real or perceived; this eliminates a potential source of mental anguish. If the creator wishes to see their dislikes, dislikes are still available for viewing in the analytics screen.
@@NeilHaskins I most often find that those providing consistently harmful content have a loyal following of people who wholeheartedly believe in and agree with their twisted message, which, given the number of people bothering to be logged in, let alone sharing their opinions, tends to largely offset the dislikes of random passersby.
Yeah it's political, not about content creators :/
I don't buy crap that is advertised to me
If i want something i look for it
Things that i have seen advertised to me are usually more expensive than it should be. I get it, that advertising money needs to be made somehow but i don't have money to just throw at everyone
Months after the change and I barely move over the like/dislike buttons. If I even look at it at all
The irony is we can't even downvote the change. Reminds me of the memes where the printer drops paper directly into the shredder, or a "suggestions" box affixed over a trash can.
I searched up a hardware DIY video yesterday and it was just a kid screaming into the camera because they edited the title after uploading. It was the first result that came up and having the counter would've told me to leave immediately
@@alexlam24 Yep. I watched a video about replacing the brake pads on a fiesta mk6 which would have literally lead to my brakes failing, all because I couldn't see it was a completely trash video from the get go.
@@alexlam24 Yeah, I only bother voting down if a video is deceptive, wrong, offensive or in portrait mode (as note I will always vote down ANY portrait mode video, I can get that garbage from other sources if I wanted it).
If I found it boring I just stop it maybe make a negative comment, if needed and move on.
@@toriless respect for downvoting vertical videos. It should be illegal to record video like that lol.
@@fiverZ except if the video is shorts (CZcams's tiktok) or is a portrait game like clash royale. Actually for clash royale players having it have in landscape mode seems way worse.
It’s entirely within Googles power to create a right-in-your-face platform-wide poll and find-out what the vast majority of creators and users alike prefer.
Google just does not care.
If only we had some kind of ratio of how many people liked the choice and disliked the choice. Damn! Someday science will solve this.
naa, its more like, this isnt being done for the reasons given..
i saw this comming when the Brandon admin started getting massively ratioed any time they posted anything... they just used the excuse of protecting small creators, to justify doing the bidding of those in power...who they helped put there...
the wont do a poll like that, because creators would mostly choose to return it, as would users.
outside hard left/right extremists who cant deal with people not agreeing with and supporting them... the majority of people...including a few creators i know personally, want it back...
one of them intentionally makes a video a month thats designed to get ratioed, most of his viewers get the joke and dislike as expected, because, they get the fucking joke... unlike so many of these...mostly leftists, who lack a sense of humor and lack the ability to find intentionally offensive things, funny...
its like that ONE GUY who HATES blazing saddles because its "Soooo racist"...not getting the joke...but finding the whole thing offensive... (best part of that one... my exp its mostly been millennials white ones, who get offended... often as they sit next to black/brown people who are laughing their arses off..
i watched one lose her shit at her black friend, "how can you find this oppressive racist shit funny, are you some kind of undercover trump supporting white supremacist now?" not kidding... the girl looks at her, and just tells her to shut up, the movies funny and makes fun of racism, the whole things a long running piss-take on racism and ignorance... and how even racists can change for the better...
i cannot remember the exact words but..that was as close as i can get at the moment, the black gal had to shut her down 2 more times before she left the room and sulked out on the back porch with her phone till the movie was over... when the other 2 VERY CLEARLY BLACK people asked what her problem was, why she kept freaking out over such a classic funny movie...well she eventually lost her shit and called them a long screed about them being uncle tom white supremacist yada yada yada "trump nazi"... when both of them smiled and...opened their jack... showing trump meme shirts... she lost her damn mind and started throwing presto logs and them screaming rape... the black friend of hers walks out with a co2 fire extinguisher and just sprays her down, tells her to pull head from rectum, and realize, if they like the movie, she needs to stop being offended on their behalf, that the whole point of the movie was a fucking long running pisstake on racism and ignorance... and thats why they loved it... "didnt you notice the main characters black, and, one of the only people whos even got half a functional brain in the whole movie?" when one of them went and got his backpack....dude has a binder with Clevon (sp?) Little, the black sheriff...that little signed for him when he was young and saw him at a convension, not even one he was signing or appearing at, one he went to for fun... the man genuinely was a..well...genuine dude... the binder i later found out was a custom one his sister had made for him, from the blazing saddles image little signed for her brother, she scanned the image at max resolution (she said it took 3 days to fully scan the picture...this was a while back when scanners used scsi or printer ports... but at work they actually printed a binder cover for him with that on the front and one he had from the same con with the dude who was the sheriff in Dukes of Hazzard, he was there to do a little talk and QnA, i did get to meet him once... dude was funny as hell, and stupidly friendly, he loved that show he was on.. 'i was one of the first black actors to get a regular role of authority, and we always had fun making that show' im sure he enjoyed seeing people claim the show was racist because "omg the car has an evil racist flag on it reeeee" ugg...
anyway...this was, im quite sure, done to protect the white house and some of their major media partiners like, disney im sure dont like seeing their woke trailers getting ratioed to hell and back...
i saw a short one they put up that... i wish i had downloaded, because it got ratioed so hard they pulled it... it was a short video about the live action little mermaid they are working on....where ariel is a kinky haired black girl rather then ginger(im ginger...i find it ironic they keep erasing gingers, in favor of POC, when we are a smaller minority then black americans last i checked...but then, disney has always erased gingers when given the chance... lots of images covering examples... )
i bet we could run the world off of the power that could be generated if we harnessed the power from all the creators who are rolling over in their graves at how much things have been wrecked in such a short time... walt disney alone could probably power the us, canada, mexico and china...with power to spare...:P
@@AshenTechDotCom it's all because of the ppl who think their lives revolves around politics 24/7 like what u said, the extreme left and right who love this initiative so that they wont feel offended if their videos get disliked
That would be immediately dislike bombed, like their upcoming youtube rewind would have been, had they not introduced this change now
As a huge Joe Biden fan, I support YT removing the dislike counter.
I don't understand how it's impossible for Google not to detect dislike bombs - they all happen within a relatively short time span and the users barely watch the video. On top of that, they used a link to get to that video, so they didn't click on the thumbnail, data that is definitively recorded to get the clickrate and recommend the video based partly on that.
Only thing that helped me as a kidd to distinguish malicious hacks and users as a kid were the dislike ratio, some videos were up voted by other malcious users, and i still got phishied for my information, however it happened less thanks to the dislike button and it also tells me early on if a video is worth watching when it comes to something educational.
They also said it was removed to lessen the amount of dislikes people would give, but i have disliked more videos since they removed it than i have done in my whole youtube history, and i have been using youtube dating back to before 2008
CZcams is a truly glorious disaster. Watching them destroy their own platform is like a modern Hindenburg.
Is it being destroyed though? Analytics say otherwise. The tiny loud minority of people that bother clicking those buttons mean absolutely nothing to content creators and google alike. Linus is only putting a video about it because it gets him more views. If it didn't he say nothing because it benefits him too.
There are only a handful of companies on the planet with the resources to run a site on the scale of CZcams, and none of the others are any better than Google. Nor are they apparently interested. You can't kill something when there's no alternative.
@@Wylie288 long term destruction has a tendency to look like a short term gains,
A common fallacy known to a bunch of dead companies
CZcams literally forgot they already had a feature for creators to disable their own likes / dislikes lol
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THREE IN ONE
L...❤❤❤...
CZcams: THIS IS FINE.
THREE IN ONE
SOMEONE: SAYS ''HECK''.
CZcams: BE GONE
Life's story is a short journey so have fun before sleeping forever
#Чо #эт #делает #на #2 #месте #в #тренде
#однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков .#垃圾.
Megan: ''Hotter''
Hopi: ''Sweeter''
Joonie: ''Cooler''
Yoongi: ''Butter''
Жизнь, как красивая мелодия, только песни перепутались.
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter" .
ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
!💖🖤❤️#今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした #今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！ #１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！ #まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした #垃圾 今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,. 💖🖤在整個人類歷史上，強者，富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，氏族，城鎮，城市和鄉村中的弱者，無`'守和貧窮成員。然而，人類的生存意願迫使那sfdsd些被拒絕，被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。. 說到食物，不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。相反，他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。他們學會了清潔，切塊，調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，在食品``
@@lunex7857 ok go watch yourself why you watchin this shit?
Congrats you got 2 bots on your comment
For Biden I disabled you from seeing how bad I am
I guess they got drunk thinking about this update
When YT removed the dislike ratio, they also removed the ability to see dates a video was released. It used to be over or underneath the views-number. I am struggling more with that than the lack of a dislike ratio, just because i can rarely know how up to date a video is. I CAN find it out, but as far as i know i¨ll have to go back and look at the thumbnail.
Is there a fix for this?
Now on one of my youtube account there is no progress bar, there is only small white ball when your mouse is directly on white time bar (no red progress bar indicator) so I think that youtube is thinking of removing it too.
I always got excited when my videos started to get large amounts of dislikes. It meant I was getting views from outside the niche fandom circle I'm a part of and that the video was performing well! When people comment things like "why did CZcams suggest this dumb pony video to me" I'd politely reply to those comments to encourage people to feel free to remove me from their watch history and dislike my video to tune their recommendations. Disliking things doesn't have to be an entirely negative thing. I wish CZcams wasn't too incompetent to understand their own platform.
I've been using the extension for some time now and can confirm it looks pretty darn close to my recent videos' actual dislikes. Thanks for speaking out against yet another horribly dumb decision by CZcams. I'm still upset about all the unlisted videos they purged and wish more people talked about that.
Oh, CZcams absolutely know why they're doing this. I think they saw that the amount of dislike had a very strong relation with users' willingness to watch the ads of the video (becuz they would click off right away after glancing at the dislike).
Also it help their coporate friends and themselves not looking as bad in public eyes.
Wow, even the pony watches LTT
Damn even littleshy is here
Such a good comment. My most popular videos used to have the most dislikes back when I did youtube
Shit, am I gonna get served Brony videos now? 😆
(No hate; I have kids and think MLP is better than most kid cartoons)
we need the community to never stop talking about this, people on the internet have goldfish memory for shit companies do, but we can't let this one die down
True. Maybe one day they will bring it back after seeing how it doesn't help small creators or even big companies, thanks to this extension.
I’m still upset about Apple’s removal of the headphone jack. It regularly inconveniences me.
Well people literally went into online mobs back in the day when CZcams forced linked Google+ accounts to YT profiles, remember the massive bob armies for over a year? It didn't do shit because CZcams literally doesn't give a crap about its users. It only gives a crap about whoever gives them the direct money in their pockets, not the actual foundation for the healthy ecosystem of a functional platform made for users and creators.
Not to say we should ignore this issue. I just don't have any hopes, but I will still campagin with everyone else against CZcams's total amateurism and utter ignorance.
@@wowgrab7553 Same. Even as someone who loves (good) wireless headphones, they have indeed died on me over a long day. Apple started this nonsense.
@@wowgrab7553 Realistically, how often are you listening to music while charging your phone that you are "regularly inconvenience[d]"? If it's about the dongle, Apple's headphone dongles are 9$ on Amazon; just leave one on your on-the-go headphones.
I'm genuinely curious why you feel burdened.
I'm really surprised CZcams have stuck with this, how am I supposed to know if that tutorial is a load of crap for example?
the addon only works for a couple of minutes. then it's back to normal (unable to see dislike count). it basically resets everytime i start chrome.
“It’s to protect small creators”
Small creators : “we never wanted that”
What we really wanted was a better algorithm that pushed our content too
Legit. If you don't already have a multi 100k following to boost your initial launch week viewership, then you're very likely to be burried forever because you don't get filtered in by the algorithm. Getting that early attention clearly pushes videos to the top of all trending lists while small channels just have to fight for grubs.
YT: "Congratulations, you are being rescued. PLEASE DO NOT RESIST!"
as much as I hate Shittok. They got that part down pack. They push new creators all the time which helps them get a following instantly. and compared to CZcams trying to get 1000 followers is a hassle but On TikTok you can pull that off in no time.
CZcams is still trying to cater to media companies instead of creators like TikTok has been doing and look where TikTok is at now.
Yes...truee
They actually removed it to protect large channels, specifically those endorsed and/or owned by large corporations.
9:26 I love that little explosion when Linus hit the dinosaur. Thank you to whoever edited that in, it caught my eye and I had to rewind
I dont get when people put in the wrong time stamp 9:25
What a gem, thanks editor
Thats not edited. Linus is just that powerful
I still do not understand why YT didn't just give the creators the choice to turn it on and off.
Ive only had this extension a day or so but already it is not showing the dislikes which i have literally only just noticed. Is anyone else having the same issue?
Never understood why people got so upset with dislikes on their videos... they all count as interaction which helps push the video more 😉
that's because nobody did.
Many small creators don't understand too. This measure protects small oversensitive minority. Many creators big and small see only downsides in this decisions. It hurts more than helps.
The Majestic Sausage has spoken!
Partly because that's a myth tests been floating around. "ANY viewer interaction, whether it's likes OR dislikes, it's good for the channel." This is suuuuch an oversimplification, that it is more false than it is true. People oversimplifying "the aLgOrItHm," is so irritating. So no, dislikes don't positively affect channels, especially in situations where there are a moderate amount of dislikes.
Love your videos Biffa!!
My hot take on CZcams's motivation: if users can't quickly judge a video's quality, they're going to have to spend more time watching videos to ascertain their quality, which potentially means more ad revenue for Google.
Or advertisers were unhappy that their ads are shown before massively disliked videos, creating negative associations.
Or both. Or none.
But it is 100% monetary related change because this is the only metric companies are truly interested in.
LOL but then some people made it so you can. and even a lot of thumbs ups downs stars, or what ever doesn't meen anything.
well certainly after a glance at the like dislike ratio, if it has unusually high dislike ratio youre gonna be interested in why it is so and most likely come to the same conclusion and hit dislike. As it is now you cant even see the dislike, if you dont like the video, press dislike, no one will see that so what is the point. Not pressing like is going to equal a dislike?
I believe the lion-share of the average user's watchtime doesn't consist of people looking for tutorials, but people just clicking on whatever the algorithm suggests them.
If anything, hiding the dislikes should reduce people's watch time, as users eventually get annoyed that they cannot find quality content.
I assume they did it to protect wealthy companies and politicians. It's not the first time they've done shading stuff because some wealthy person paid them to do it.
When it comes to mobile, Dislikes + the Negative comments I have noticed are simply removed from the Google Android Appstore, I only did one review for a malicious app, and it simply got removed, I tried again and it got removed again, and a thirt time each time with less negative stuff in it, but it never was enough, it simply got pulled.
-- Now I know why all apps on the Android Google appstore all have 4+ star ratings, and i simply no longer look at any of the reviews or ratings from an app as they are fake.
-- Thumbs up for this Dislike addon, let's hope the creator of it doesn't get too greedy too soon and we can keep using it.
We deserve to see what people think, we have reviews for a reason!
I don’t complain much, but if it’s a misleading guide or if it’s bad information that I found, I want to know what others believe too!
Go Linus!
CZcams: We are removing dislikes because they de-motivate content creators and stop dislike-bombers.
Also CZcams: **Adds option for content creators to see their dislikes in CZcams Studio**
If they do that invalidates the proposed goal of this, as creators will still feel shat on while it's not shown, focusing thus on protecting what yt calls "quality" content. Like late night shows and movie trailers.
Bullshit... The most disliked videos on CZcams where the videos made by big corporations/mainstream media...
Ex the Ubisoft new brilliant money milking idea with NFTS... Even now they keep pushing it but they can't make it work because everyone can see how massively disliked it is and they are losing money...
Even our ruling politicians can't pretend to be popular or pretend to have popular opinions because we can see the dislikes ratio. Same with the news, they all have disabled comments and dislikes because someone might point out that they are lying..
@@alexc664 actually, anybody remotely "left" in american politics and the likes of LGBT people often get dislike waves too for the same "le mainstroom media" reason you're saying here, let alone often "loony left" of course. So there was a potentisl benefit/reason when somebody like Jim Sterling could transisition and then quickly lose subscribers afterwards.
The problem is it doesn't protect those people still, lewving it to where it seems this is only focused on mainstresm stuff, but I'm trying to depoliticify it to emphasis more on the influence and money of those big media companies and sponsors that YT wants to look at rather than "lying politicians" or "libtards" or whatever.
@@roundduckkira The problem is that this is not a problem, just another way to silence us and control the narative disguised as protecting us from ourselves...
@@roundduckkira wait, wait, wait. What even are you on about? If anyone is making it political it is you. Not that I disagree or agree with either "side", but it is worth pointing out that you are the one who did make it political. Just saying. But hey, you do you, but do yourself a favor. Be honest.
It's horrible, i used to be able to open a video and immediately see if it was of good quality or contained any kind of valid information whatsoever. This is dangerous and it will be easy to spread misinformation, just one of the side effects.
@@4NT1N008 name some, name multiple, and they probably dont outweigh a single reason for the dislike button to stay, like not downloading a virus when looking up a guide
Part of the left’s plan imo. Sorry to politicize but most employees of Google do lean left
@@4NT1N008 No system is perfect. The question is, in general, are like to dislike ratios representative of genuine opinions? If the answer is yes then extreme cases like "dislike attacks" are going to be a consequence that we need to learn to live with. Legislating for extremes doesn't work.
CZcams cant even control spam bots, been rampant since corona started especially, I doubt they even give 2 cents about misinformation and scams. Also as somebody who recently watched a lot of youtube how to's for fixing some laptop problems, I sure would had liked the dislike ^^
Removing the dislike button is wasting my time. For example if I want to watch a tutorial of something, I have to evaluate several videos by watching 25% before I find a good one. Before I could just use the like/dislike ratio. This is something that's *actually* pushing me away to another platform. If I can save time over there, I'm going over there.
Yeah, I had to use the extension because of the constant clickbait titles and thumbnails. The only time I ever hit the dislike button is when CZcams's algorithm starts shoving the same video or content creator that I'm not interested in my thread.
For your concern about giving your youtube analytic data to a third-party, there is a solution that could be created. As a developer, I believe Creating an Open-Source API proxy could be a good idea. An API could;
- Be hosted on premise to avoid data leak
- Give better Grant Option to filter only the most minimal data needed
- Give an edge to community created tools
As I've said elsewhere, YT's decision-making on this probably went a little something like...
Disney: "We're getting destroyed out here and it's hurting our bottom line. Here's a large bag of money if you remove dislikes."
CZcams: "Deal. Give us a week."
Disney: "Here's even more money. Make it tomorrow."
CZcams: "Done."
@@FelixxAlrick LOL yeah!
Games Workshop and Blizzard also had major issues with dislikes because of bad stuff.
Honestly think there was pressure coming from several companies at the same time.
I don't even think there was money involved. I think YT was just scared shitless that corporations would drop ads.
At most maybe an phone conversation about how the platform is hurting the bizz or some shit.
I love how basically the entire CZcams community came together to say "Nah, CZcams is just being stupid."
Yeah and so far CZcams has done a good job completely ignoring the backlash. (sadly...)
Sigh...
Respect to Linus for taking on Google head-on like this. Mad props.
We desperately need a viable alternative to CZcams.
Google have really lost their way these past few years
They went "woke"....but are too big to "go broke"
Maybe try Odysee
They need better management. After Tiktok and Meta BS, I am not hopeful for any new platforms.
"Don't be evil" was their old motto. It feels like the opposite now-a-days.
you people are saying this for like longest time even since google buying youtube but still there is still no platform that beating youtube nor even closing the gap between them
I haven’t got any useful data from videos made after this change, because I haven’t made any, but from what I can see from older videos, mostly music uploads, the extension is slightly underestimating but not drastically.
very likely lack of frequent updates of numbers. as long as it makes it possible to see like 80% dislikes to 20% likes it's all good I think
CZcams should just provide creators the ability to enable show likes and/or show dislikes for each of their videos.
7:40 Wow, now i can see dislike on android after last vanc update :D
thanks for emotionally and mentally taking this into your hands man we really appreaciate you
CZcams could easily have removed the downvote button for channels that themselves opted in for it.
The only issue with that is there are only two reasons to opt in: if your channel is being dislike spammed, or if you are making bad content, and there will be no way to tell the difference between the two, so anyone who opts for it will be automatically distrusted.
An option to hide the like-dislike ratio on one of your CZcams videos has already existed, for *years.*
CZcams just decided to force that upon everyone so that... you wouldn't be able to see who would and wouldn't have a motivation to disable them, I guess.
Can we get a Chrome extension from someone that returns the "Favorites" playlist to the top of the left pop-out list (on desktop) again? Why does CZcams even still allow adding videos to a playlist that is so hard to continually access?
You could write a script that publishes likes & dislikes into the video descriptions. And then make that script opensource, and ask other creators to set it up as well. A bit more work, but YOU are in control of what gets published, and there's no third party that might be peering over our shoulders.
Tom Scott has done a similar thing for one of his videos.
Nothing gets me hard like a complex analysis of data
maybe we should keep dislikes on comments...
Haha me to. 69 TB of like/dislike data is nuts!!
Sus AF
Wanted to like, but I don't want to destroy the beautiful 69 you got going there~
Yeah, Linus' complex analysis of the data of Susan Wikiwiki stating all her woke motivations for all the changes Linus is taking about is still somehow a "conspiracy theory".....
The problem is CZcams trying to be TikTok and Instagram, sites that primarily focus on quick entertainment like videos of cats and people twerking. CZcams is not that, it's an educational platform, an investigation platform, a platform that makes entertainment that lasts beyond a few seconds or minutes with massive production values comparable to TV studios. Getting rid of the dislike button was a colossal mistake when dealing with this sort of content and it has permanently harmed their image. Im just hoping some other platform, preferably more open-source comes along soon to replace youtube.
i think thats too good to be true. there are other platforms already im pretty sure but very few people use them because youtube is too big.
Even CZcams is not super profitable despite being the biggest and probably longest running platform. This only works because they are integrated with Google’s other services and data. The hopes for a new competitor that’s actually successful are slim.
@@justanotherpxrson If the big channels of youtube came together to co-own and launch their own platform with a contractual agreement to invest a portion of sponsorship revenue into running the service they could absolutely start one.
@@KP3droflxp I don't think youtube is profitable at all unless it has changed recently. If I remember correctly it haven't made any profits since Google bought it.
@@mason6300 That's a fair point. It would take a lot of people though
I see a lot of comments saying "All youtube had to do was let individual channels have the option of turning off dislikes." How would that be any different? The scammers know how you use youtube too. They can turn off dislikes and then we would still have most of the same problems we have now.
Their stated reason - Dislike Mobs or whatever - doesn't seem that warranted now that I think of it. If they can detect the dislike-mob they can do what they do with fake PPC clicks: remove them from the accounting as spam clicks. After that, the dislike count would go down again. Odd. They could also limit dislikes to 30 per month and 1 per 24 hour sorta thing.
As a very small content creator, the " To protect small creators" sounds to me like an excuse for the public. If they really care about that, they should put a "Would you like to see the dislike count on your videos" option. Thanks for the video
The thing about making this optional is that by disabling it a creator could be seen as having something to hide. I already think that when a creator disables ratings entirely they are untrustworthy. Disabling dislikes site was an all or nothing affair, I still disagree with youtube for hiding it though.
If they gave a shit about small creators they wouldn't force people to design videos within their awful algorithm, by extension, altering what YOU want to create. Instead you need your thumbnail just right, the length tactically chosen rather than doing what you want. Screaming at people to like comment and subscribe and "smash that bell icon". The list goes on and on and CZcams enforces that shotgun to the head of every creator on the platform, even the oldies. Really takes the YOU out of CZcams. It's just GoogleApprovedTube at this point.
Just wait until you make content that gets copyright claimed. That's a racket in of itself where CZcams takes a nice cut of money out of your profits from perfectly legal, fair use clips and audio.
Comments hurt way more than a random dislike let's me honest. Someone could dislike my video and I wouldn't care but if they left a comment it would hurt way more. So we should just remove comments
It's Google's "think of the children" narrative.
It's just like when Facebook was protecting small developers when they opposed the Apple app store privacy change. These companies are benevolent and protect us! All hail big tech!
didn’t know a dislike could impact the mental well being of a multi billion dollar corporation
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I don't think it has anything to do with corporations. Devin Nash has a really good video on it but TLDR is that corporations don't care about negative press because it ends up being cheap advertising. CZcams did this to feel more inclusive which means you can't be negative to anything or anyone.
It impacts their bottom line with big businesses.
@@LordUdedenkz it doesn't negatively. No company has ever shied away from negative press unless it includes something absolutely immoral.
so why is there a 2% dislike on this video (191K UP vs 4.4K DOWN)
Another funny thing about this dislike situation - I visited CZcams videos and noticed that all their Vida have either disabled, or heavily moderated comments. Quite funny when their own argument is, that users can post their opinion in comments.
It’s simple, its about protecting ad revenue. Imagine an agency being able to restrict large age buys to channels with certain like/dislike ratios…One of the many reasons why we no longer advertise for clients on YT.
This. I dont think most people realize how much power the advertisement industry has over Google. There is a lot of "old money" backing many of the conglomerates running the show on ad revenue.
Bingo. They are making these changes to satisfy their customers. And believe it or not, it's working! Their customers love the removal of the dislike button (because they asked for it)
It's just that content creators and consumers are not the customers, They are the product.
It's just finally catching up with youtube content creators and consumers, You guys kind of did drink the kool-aid, CZcams followed the classic corporate gameplan of launching a service that is initially unprofitable, and steadily become the dominant media streaming platform. And then once you are the dominant platform, with competition not physically able to compete with you, You steadily and methodically start cranking up the monetization and control, and you start fucking printing money.
It was never about sharing, it was never about creativity, it was never about giving everyone a voice. It was always about dominating the market, and then opening the floodgates of money. This may be hard to read for those of you who are like really into youtube itself. But you need to hear this.
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Google has the most valuable demographic captured on CZcams. Advertisers hold almost no power, as if they want any of their ads to reach anyone they're advertising on CZcams.
@@Clockwork0nions maybe you should look up the adpocalypse...
These changes were purely for youtube rewind, because rewind got spam-disliked. Instead of creators, this rewind had a bunch of actors, completely irrelevant dogshit.
I was just thinking about this yesterday, googled if they would bring dislikes back.
It is freakin ridiculous to remove the dislike bar, gives people who are easily swayed reason to believe a piece of harmful content is legit/trustworthy.
9:53 not to mention the fact that some creators turn off comments...
The only times I've ever noticed a massively disliked video was when it was utterly pointless nonsense, clickbait or biased news reports.
never underestimate the motivation of "Screw those guys" and a nerd with time of their hands.
Exactly. Just look at Sony and the history of PS3 hacking to understand this. Sony broke their word (twice) and forced the removal of OtherOS on the PS3. Until that point, none of the jailbreaking/hacker groups had much motivation to work on the PS3 as they already had an official way of running whatever code they wanted on the system. While it wasn't a perfect system (Sony locked away access to the GPU under OtherOS, presumably in fear that people would just port PC games over and lower PS3 game sales) but it was better than nothing. Then they removed it in an "optional" update claiming it was optional and you could keep the feature if you wanted.. and then a mandatory one later. Not even a month after, Geohot had managed to break the PS3 so far open that it never recovered (culminating in groups finding the private signing key because Sony didn't understand what "random number" meant).
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