The fact that you can assign artificial tuning to each string is a great feature, as you can implement whatever odd tuning you like (e.g. Fripp’s New Standard Tuning) without restringing to custom gauges or wrecking your axe’s setup.
Awesome I think I am seriously thinking about getting one. My main purposes are to use it for recording into midi through Reaper to have all the easy editing possibilities etc. Also like you said the ability to send the music and tab to band members is practical too.
Regarding notation: For tracking the chords as they you should use the "multi-channel guitar" option in 32:49 as it then assigns each string to a different channel which should result into the right frets. Can you try that and give feedback if it makes tracking better?
Well well this looks familiar. It didn't take long before the whole thing was taken apart and parts were being re-modified. :D There are two kinds of people. Others will read the manual and come to the realization that it doesn't fit and contact the retailer. Then there's the ones who just do and make it work.
Thanks for honest review. This sort of thing makes my nuts blow up so I'm glad you got there first. I think I'll stick with midi guitar 2 for now. Cheers
Thanks man! I've been looking around for about 45 minutes trying to ascertain what's the difference is between the Triple Play and Triple Play Connect, other than $150 and a wire. Fishman sure as fuck doesn't want to tell me, nor do Sweetwater or the other usual suspects. So I've subscribed to your channel, given this video a big thumbs UP and thrown the rest of 'em the middle finger. Cheers!
At Fishman we have recently revised things so that Connect and Wireless are essentially interchangeable expect for the wireless features and different number of controls and buttons. Either one can be used with the Mac/Windows software, or the Connect iPad app. Previously we charged you $20 to unlock the iPad app for wireless users, but now that option is free. Previously we did not supply the Mac/Win software to Connect customers, but now it is included, even if you purchased in the past.
I have a strat, I had to glue the pickup on because the holder made the pickup hit the strings. I raised the strings and they were to high! It is a great system though.
Fantastic in depth review. Do you know what the main differences are between the cheaper connect unit and the more expensive one. I don't have an ipad so I couldn't use the app for the connect version
They are essentially identical except for the wireless vs wired, and a few extra buttons on the wireless version. Both wired and wireless work with the same software.
We have recently changed this, so now you have access to the Mac/Win software. Log into your account on the Fishman website and you will see it there available for download.
I love about this review is it exposes the other side of the glossy sales pitch demos that would have you think everything is roses from start to finish in real time. I don't need products that involve lots of swearing to get it to work and some of the comments reinforce that. I found myself irritated just watching your irritation trying to get it together. I could see myself wrestling with that. No thanks. I'll check out a few other midi guitar items and see if they fair any better. Thanks for the review!
I was watching you tutorial video..... Because I hace a problem... With one of the mic in the hexaphonic pick up.... The second string ..(second mic) not working.... Like before.... I dont know what s the reason? Tharebis Any configation? Or could be Any cut wire.... ?
I think the problem with the notation is you were running on one midi channel. I think you can configure a hardware patch to have one midi channel per string and then the notation software can tab correctly.
How do you deal with ghost notes. I got it to work but the midi is coming up with a bit of ghost notes. Any tips to minimize this. I can clean it up in the midi but prefer not to. Thanks for a great video
I enjoyed your video. The TP software you are using appears to be the original Triple Play for wireless version so I can see how you didn't have any instruments on your install; and that particular software does require a code to operate so I'm surprised it worked at all. : ) I have had the original Triple Play wireless version since around 2014. it worked great until I did a factory update and has been screwed up ever since. Lots of tail chasing instrument software updates and authorization codes. I also just recently (Jan '21) installed the Triple Play Connect software for the iPad which I hoped would be a fix for me. The Triple Play wireless setup does work with the new Connect software but of TP Connect software looks very entry level, has limited plug in's and I yet to see where or if you can save presets or set lists. That being said I am not midi savvy so still muddling along.
Hey great review thanks. Saw your other video about not getting all that other software if you use it with the PC, but are there sounds that come with it at all? For example that piano vst did you have that before you got the Connect?
I think I will get one if it doesn't fit I might either try to saw it down to size like you did-:) or just return it, or get another guitar with enough room for the midi pickup. I measured and it might be a bit tight.
Thank you for this video. Can you tell me whether I can use the TriplePlay Wireless MIDI also with iPhone (not iPad)? I'd expect it to run with any Bluetooth MIDI compatible device, so it should work with iPhone too, right?
It does not use Bluetooth. It uses a proprietary wireless protocol with a small dedicated receiver dongle, which has a USB A connector, so for iPhone you would need an adaptor, USB A to Apple Lightning. Although some third-party adaptors work, your best bet is to use an Apple Lightning to USB camera adapter ($30), or an Apple Lightning to USB3 camera adapter ($40) which allows charging of the phone during use. If your phone doesn't have a headphone jack, then you might connect a USB hub to the Lightning adaptor, then connect the TriplePlay to the hub along with some sort of audio interface or similar solution. The Fishman Connect app only works on iPad, but you can use the TriplePlay controller with the iPhone with any iOS synth. Hope this helps!
Hello fellow lefty! Is there a benefit to buying the TriplePlay Wireless Guitar Controller over this less expensive wired model? Is it simply a "sexier" more expensive wireless version of the same unit for double the price?
Hello, my brother. I am a left-handed Guitarist too and I ordered a Fishman wireless midi pickup. Should I customize for left-hand too or in Wirless model there is a software settings for left handed guitarists?
Ah no not yet! Had that thing for a while now! It's a heavily modified Revelation Bass VI I converted into a baritone. TBH I need to put a new nut on and set it up right but I should do a video on it. It brings some serious DOOM.
Great vid mate I’m buying a connect to run Logic Pro x. I’ve seen it can be done but there’s no info about a Mac interface only the iPad app Any help would be much appreciated
In the Mac/Windows TriplePlay app, for sounds that are "Mono Mode" i.e. separate MIDI channel per-string, and using synths that support combis/multis, the answer is yes, because you can edit the sounds in the combis/multis to adjust the tuning however you would like. In the iPad app, no. But in any case you can re-tune your guitar, (if you have "Monitor Hand Position" set to On, also tell the app how you have it tuned,) and it will follow. You can bend each string independently.
Hey bro ,the reason the plugin doesn't work in Cubase [and why it says 'Looking for Receiver' ] is because that software is actually for the TriplePlay Wireless pick up. I guess you figured that out already.
I think you commented on my update already! But yeah it DOES work as a VSTi, it's just it uses 2 discrete MIDI devices - Cubase automatically adds 'em, so it by default disables the VST app as it won't work if something else is using it. Thankfully it only needs one of those 2 MIDI inputs (the second one), so if you set your DAW to use MIDI device 1 for direct-to-DAW MIDI input, you can simultaneously use MIDI Device 2 for the Triple Play plugin. You can have multiple instances too, but you have to tell whatever instance you're using to take control. Like you said none of the factory sounds are available outside the iOS app, but that doesn't matter if you got a big bunch of VST instruments instead.
Now the Mac and Windows software is included with both TriplePlay wireless and TriplePlay Connect. Note that the bundled plugins have been stripped down. Also, the Connect iPad app is now available free for both wireless and Connect customers, although wireless customers must select the free (!) in-app purchase to permanently unlock it.
Nice vid bro-:) I think I'll have to get one. I mostly want to use it for the purpose of having the easy editing possibilities that midi can give you. For example if I record something and somebody asks me to change the key,basically transpose the song I can do it without recording the whole fucking song again. My workflow: I record myself playing metal/rock guitar and then I try to play bass and program drums. So as long as I can get a good rock/metal sound and edit the midi notes I am in. All the crazy sounds are just extra for me to wank with-:) Thanks for any feedback.
Technically, it transposed correctly. You played a G power chord. It made a G chord. I'd like to see an update. Like, after you've played with it for a while. I bet you can make some awesome music with it. When you turned that synth vst on, I decided that I HAVE to buy one.
I really need to know, how well does this thing track for drop tuned guitars? specifically baritone range tuned guitars in AEADF#B? have you tried dropping your tuning down a bit and did it handle that well? hard to find answers on this. Thanks!
I tried this out on a Jazzmaster Baritone 30” scale in Bass VI tuning. It wouldn’t register the bottom two strings (Low E and Low A) at all. I’m not sure if this is because of the low register, the thick string gauge, or both. So if I had to guess based on my own experience, your low A wouldn’t track at all; while the other 5 strings might be track fine.
One solution if you only need the synth output is to simply transpose the MIDI output one octave down and play your synth parts an octave up on the guitar. Wouldn't work for blended guitar and MIDI though. For recording I'd just use a regular guitar but live if you're jumping between synth and regular guitar it'd work on the baritone, just play the synth bits higher up!
@@sonicwingnut the tracking on the baritone I had was very dodgy, even playing higher on the fretboard didn’t help. There was no way I’d be comfortable playing live with all the tracking errors it made. For live purposes, I ended up putting the fishman triple play on a Line 6 Variax. It’s the best solution for this exact use case right now. The triple play works flawlessly on the Variax because the physical tuning is in standard, with 10 gauge strings, and a 24.75 in scale length- though you can manipulate tunings that the guitar outputs through the Variax controls. I’ve tried the Drop pedal and it just couldn’t perform like I needed it to. This solution will do until some mad genius comes up with something for this niche market
@@sonicwingnut Good thinking! Also, I could also see if I can get it to cover the higher strings as I play baritone 7s, as in, place to it cover the 1~6th strings and have no hexaphonic pickup under the lowest string. wonder how well that'd work. Also yeah, I'd be using it for live for sure!
@@SynthStreak I was going to use it bass synth parts live for our songs so we didn't have to run backing tracks, so they would have been significantly slower than the heavy guitar bits. we play more of a modern metalcore sound with alot of heavy synth stuff going on so the synths are way slower then guitars. never got it though because we're in drop A and this unit can't do that according to fishman.
Hi, I watched the video with great interest. I bought a fishman triple connect and I can't load software. I have a tablet that has windows 10. I asked 100,000 people and no one can help me. Can you help me pls? Thanks
34:00 So essentially it is useless for writing notation. That should probably be at the start of this video. This is the only review I've seen which makes this specific point using demonstration. What good is is a midi pickup if it isn't going to send proper score notation into notation software.. useless.
I just set mine up today. I feel your pain watching this. The tracking sucks. I had a Roland gr-33 back in the day that was better than this pos. The software does suck. When I ran a VST scan it found everything but the instrument VSTs. Wtf? Very irritating 😠 Thank for the review of this pos. I guess we’re going to have to wait another 20 years for any kind of reasonable tracking. To be honest it’s probably easier to learn to play the keyboard then deal with this crap.
The sounds are insane, thanks for doing a complete review of this pick up 😄
Many thanks for the detailed explanation and accurate filming! Greetz from a fellow lefty
The fact that you can assign artificial tuning to each string is a great feature, as you can implement whatever odd tuning you like (e.g. Fripp’s New Standard Tuning) without restringing to custom gauges or wrecking your axe’s setup.
By far the best review of this unit. Thanks a bunch!!
Awesome I think I am seriously thinking about getting one. My main purposes are to use it for recording into midi through Reaper to have all the easy editing possibilities etc. Also like you said the ability to send the music and tab to band members is practical too.
You handsome bastard.....good to have you back. Interesting video and sarcastic humour.......quality
Thank you for an honest review. Looks like im just gonna have to buy the JAMSTIK when they start shipping. great vid!
When you found the one shim that was the exact height I related to that moment so much haha. Stuff like that happens to me ALL the time hahaha
Your channel reminds me how glad I am to be right handed.
Yeah it's a struggle that's for sure! Some rightys do that mod too though cos it gets the wires and crap out of the way.
Tackles alot of issues. Great job bro! Thanks :)
Regarding notation: For tracking the chords as they you should use the "multi-channel guitar" option in 32:49 as it then assigns each string to a different channel which should result into the right frets. Can you try that and give feedback if it makes tracking better?
Well well this looks familiar.
It didn't take long before the whole thing was taken apart and parts were being re-modified. :D
There are two kinds of people.
Others will read the manual and come to the realization that it doesn't fit and contact the retailer.
Then there's the ones who just do and make it work.
Thanks for honest review. This sort of thing makes my nuts blow up so I'm glad you got there first. I think I'll stick with midi guitar 2 for now. Cheers
Thanks man! I've been looking around for about 45 minutes trying to ascertain what's the difference is between the Triple Play and Triple Play Connect, other than $150 and a wire. Fishman sure as fuck doesn't want to tell me, nor do Sweetwater or the other usual suspects. So I've subscribed to your channel, given this video a big thumbs UP and thrown the rest of 'em the middle finger. Cheers!
At Fishman we have recently revised things so that Connect and Wireless are essentially interchangeable expect for the wireless features and different number of controls and buttons. Either one can be used with the Mac/Windows software, or the Connect iPad app. Previously we charged you $20 to unlock the iPad app for wireless users, but now that option is free. Previously we did not supply the Mac/Win software to Connect customers, but now it is included, even if you purchased in the past.
Just got this thing and yes lots a swearing involved in figuring out the software downloads. Cool video!
"I got green neon ones"....fucking genius!!!
I have a strat, I had to glue the pickup on because the holder made the pickup hit the strings. I raised the strings and they were to high! It is a great system though.
Fantastic in depth review. Do you know what the main differences are between the cheaper connect unit and the more expensive one. I don't have an ipad so I couldn't use the app for the connect version
They are essentially identical except for the wireless vs wired, and a few extra buttons on the wireless version. Both wired and wireless work with the same software.
The Triple Play Connect only has iOS software for iPad...I found that out the hard way,I only have a Windows system.
Great video by the way!
We have recently changed this, so now you have access to the Mac/Win software. Log into your account on the Fishman website and you will see it there available for download.
I love about this review is it exposes the other side of the glossy sales pitch demos that would have you think everything is roses from start to finish in real time. I don't need products that involve lots of swearing to get it to work and some of the comments reinforce that. I found myself irritated just watching your irritation trying to get it together. I could see myself wrestling with that. No thanks. I'll check out a few other midi guitar items and see if they fair any better. Thanks for the review!
I was watching you tutorial video..... Because I hace a problem... With one of the mic in the hexaphonic pick up.... The second string ..(second mic) not working.... Like before.... I dont know what s the reason? Tharebis Any configation? Or could be Any cut wire.... ?
I think the problem with the notation is you were running on one midi channel. I think you can configure a hardware patch to have one midi channel per string and then the notation software can tab correctly.
How do you deal with ghost notes. I got it to work but the midi is coming up with a bit of ghost notes. Any tips to minimize this. I can clean it up in the midi but prefer not to. Thanks for a great video
Try turning on "Monitor Hand Position" in the Connect iPad app Settings; this setting is stored in the controller.
I enjoyed your video. The TP software you are using appears to be the original Triple Play for wireless version so I can see how you didn't have any instruments on your install; and that particular software does require a code to operate so I'm surprised it worked at all. : ) I have had the original Triple Play wireless version since around 2014. it worked great until I did a factory update and has been screwed up ever since. Lots of tail chasing instrument software updates and authorization codes. I also just recently (Jan '21) installed the Triple Play Connect software for the iPad which I hoped would be a fix for me. The Triple Play wireless setup does work with the new Connect software but of TP Connect software looks very entry level, has limited plug in's and I yet to see where or if you can save presets or set lists. That being said I am not midi savvy so still muddling along.
Hey great review thanks. Saw your other video about not getting all that other software if you use it with the PC, but are there sounds that come with it at all? For example that piano vst did you have that before you got the Connect?
I think I will get one if it doesn't fit I might either try to saw it down to size like you did-:) or just return it, or get another guitar with enough room for the midi pickup. I measured and it might be a bit tight.
Thank you for this video. Can you tell me whether I can use the TriplePlay Wireless MIDI also with iPhone (not iPad)? I'd expect it to run with any Bluetooth MIDI compatible device, so it should work with iPhone too, right?
It does not use Bluetooth. It uses a proprietary wireless protocol with a small dedicated receiver dongle, which has a USB A connector, so for iPhone you would need an adaptor, USB A to Apple Lightning. Although some third-party adaptors work, your best bet is to use an Apple Lightning to USB camera adapter ($30), or an Apple Lightning to USB3 camera adapter ($40) which allows charging of the phone during use. If your phone doesn't have a headphone jack, then you might connect a USB hub to the Lightning adaptor, then connect the TriplePlay to the hub along with some sort of audio interface or similar solution. The Fishman Connect app only works on iPad, but you can use the TriplePlay controller with the iPhone with any iOS synth. Hope this helps!
@@mrjteele Thanks a lot, John!
can only the fishmen program be used? Or another VST?
Hello fellow lefty!
Is there a benefit to buying the TriplePlay Wireless Guitar Controller over this less expensive wired model?
Is it simply a "sexier" more expensive wireless version of the same unit for double the price?
They are nearly identical except for the wireless feature, and the additional controls on the wireless version.
"If you disliked it, I guess you can dislike it....." :'D the best of British that is! Nice use of the segmented timeline thingy'm'bob.
Hello, my brother. I am a left-handed Guitarist too and I ordered a Fishman wireless midi pickup. Should I customize for left-hand too or in Wirless model there is a software settings for left handed guitarists?
I m an electronic engineer too .
There is no software setting for left handed guitarists, so you can rewire the pickup as shown in this video, or flip the pickup 180 degrees.
Brilliant.
This thing is totally doing my head in to get working. No patches available now.
Has anyone measured the usb power requirements of the fishman connect? How many milliAmpers?
Hey man, have you done a video on that jazzmaster? looks electric man
Ah no not yet! Had that thing for a while now! It's a heavily modified Revelation Bass VI I converted into a baritone. TBH I need to put a new nut on and set it up right but I should do a video on it. It brings some serious DOOM.
Cool clever stuff Keep em coming,,..
Great vid mate
I’m buying a connect to run Logic Pro x. I’ve seen it can be done but there’s no info about a Mac interface only the iPad app
Any help would be much appreciated
It will work.
can you change tuning inside of the Fishman app? Like individually manipulate pitch of each string?
In the Mac/Windows TriplePlay app, for sounds that are "Mono Mode" i.e. separate MIDI channel per-string, and using synths that support combis/multis, the answer is yes, because you can edit the sounds in the combis/multis to adjust the tuning however you would like. In the iPad app, no. But in any case you can re-tune your guitar, (if you have "Monitor Hand Position" set to On, also tell the app how you have it tuned,) and it will follow. You can bend each string independently.
Hey bro ,the reason the plugin doesn't work in Cubase [and why it says 'Looking for Receiver' ] is because that software
is actually for the TriplePlay Wireless pick up. I guess you figured that out already.
I think you commented on my update already! But yeah it DOES work as a VSTi, it's just it uses 2 discrete MIDI devices - Cubase automatically adds 'em, so it by default disables the VST app as it won't work if something else is using it. Thankfully it only needs one of those 2 MIDI inputs (the second one), so if you set your DAW to use MIDI device 1 for direct-to-DAW MIDI input, you can simultaneously use MIDI Device 2 for the Triple Play plugin. You can have multiple instances too, but you have to tell whatever instance you're using to take control.
Like you said none of the factory sounds are available outside the iOS app, but that doesn't matter if you got a big bunch of VST instruments instead.
They said that the software was improved on the 1.5 version. Did you download it? It might solve all the problems you are having
Cool video!
Is the update about the software not being included still true? The website makes it look like the software is included even for the wired version
Now the Mac and Windows software is included with both TriplePlay wireless and TriplePlay Connect. Note that the bundled plugins have been stripped down. Also, the Connect iPad app is now available free for both wireless and Connect customers, although wireless customers must select the free (!) in-app purchase to permanently unlock it.
@@mrjteele thanks.
Im 2:33 into your review and i already know this is the review for me and then you pull out the schecter
Nice vid bro-:) I think I'll have to get one. I mostly want to use it for the purpose of having the easy editing possibilities that midi can give you. For example if I record something and somebody asks me to change the key,basically transpose the song I can do it without recording the whole fucking song again. My workflow: I record myself playing metal/rock guitar and then I try to play bass and program drums. So as long as I can get a good rock/metal sound and edit the midi notes I am in. All the crazy sounds are just extra for me to wank with-:) Thanks for any feedback.
Technically, it transposed correctly. You played a G power chord. It made a G chord. I'd like to see an update. Like, after you've played with it for a while. I bet you can make some awesome music with it. When you turned that synth vst on, I decided that I HAVE to buy one.
Vs Roland gr33-55?
I really need to know, how well does this thing track for drop tuned guitars? specifically baritone range tuned guitars in AEADF#B? have you tried dropping your tuning down a bit and did it handle that well? hard to find answers on this. Thanks!
I tried this out on a Jazzmaster Baritone 30” scale in Bass VI tuning. It wouldn’t register the bottom two strings (Low E and Low A) at all. I’m not sure if this is because of the low register, the thick string gauge, or both.
So if I had to guess based on my own experience, your low A wouldn’t track at all; while the other 5 strings might be track fine.
One solution if you only need the synth output is to simply transpose the MIDI output one octave down and play your synth parts an octave up on the guitar. Wouldn't work for blended guitar and MIDI though. For recording I'd just use a regular guitar but live if you're jumping between synth and regular guitar it'd work on the baritone, just play the synth bits higher up!
@@sonicwingnut the tracking on the baritone I had was very dodgy, even playing higher on the fretboard didn’t help. There was no way I’d be comfortable playing live with all the tracking errors it made.
For live purposes, I ended up putting the fishman triple play on a Line 6 Variax. It’s the best solution for this exact use case right now. The triple play works flawlessly on the Variax because the physical tuning is in standard, with 10 gauge strings, and a 24.75 in scale length- though you can manipulate tunings that the guitar outputs through the Variax controls.
I’ve tried the Drop pedal and it just couldn’t perform like I needed it to. This solution will do until some mad genius comes up with something for this niche market
@@sonicwingnut Good thinking! Also, I could also see if I can get it to cover the higher strings as I play baritone 7s, as in, place to it cover the 1~6th strings and have no hexaphonic pickup under the lowest string. wonder how well that'd work. Also yeah, I'd be using it for live for sure!
@@SynthStreak I was going to use it bass synth parts live for our songs so we didn't have to run backing tracks, so they would have been significantly slower than the heavy guitar bits. we play more of a modern metalcore sound with alot of heavy synth stuff going on so the synths are way slower then guitars. never got it though because we're in drop A and this unit can't do that according to fishman.
Can someone do guitar strumming in midi files to use in styles that i create in cubase? Thanks
too bad you forgot the part about how you show everyone how to initially establish a connection....thanks alot
Hi, I watched the video with great interest. I bought a fishman triple connect and I can't load software. I have a tablet that has windows 10. I asked 100,000 people and no one can help me. Can you help me pls? Thanks
Contact Fishman support. If your tablet runs Windows 10 it should in theory be able to support the TriplePlay software.
34:00 So essentially it is useless for writing notation. That should probably be at the start of this video. This is the only review I've seen which makes this specific point using demonstration. What good is is a midi pickup if it isn't going to send proper score notation into notation software.. useless.
So funny!
this is sweeettt
A bit of Holst's Mars at 21:40!
Ha it came out that way but actually I think I was playing a bit of Am I Evil by Diamond Head/Metallica!
Behemoth shirt mentioned who tf is god and why is he a dog
hello youtube..
me: im not youtube....
Folks get the Roland GR55 be done
I just set mine up today. I feel your pain watching this. The tracking sucks. I had a Roland gr-33 back in the day that was better than this pos. The software does suck. When I ran a VST scan it found everything but the instrument VSTs. Wtf? Very irritating 😠
Thank for the review of this pos. I guess we’re going to have to wait another 20 years for any kind of reasonable tracking.
To be honest it’s probably easier to learn to play the keyboard then deal with this crap.
Did u install the unit correctly and measured the distance the strings and the pickup