The Twisted Metal PC Ports Are A NIGHTMARE
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- So recently I decided to take the plunge into making virtual PC'S because emulating Windows is pretty much the only way to make certain games work as a lot of '90s Windows games are as compatible with modern systems as I am with attractive single women. So emulation is the way to go. And on that note, part of my reason for setting these emulators up was because I recently heard about something that intrigued the hell out of me. Specifically the PC port of both Twisted Metal One and twisted metal two. That's right, you probably didn't know this, but these two games do in fact have PC ports. And seeing as I've never actually seen anybody cover these ports, that question mark hanging over these games intrigued me. I wanted to see first hand what they were like, what the pros were, what the cons were, and see if they were the superior port. I wanted to see what these games were like at theoretically peak potential for when they came out. So let's check them out.
- Hry
Alright ladies and gentlemen. This was the last of three videos made to pad my nest while I was on vacation. I'm out until Tuesday, so be good while I'm gone.
there is a TM2 Extra .. that is pretty hard . So i think this port is based on that PS1 Twisted Metal 2 Extra .
nice job with the 100k
Cant promise that until I see a series of games on your channel. You know which one I'm talking about.
If the controls were better on KB/M use software like JoyToKey or DS4Windows to use your controller as a KB/M emulator.
Twisted Metal 1and2 need to be remade in a modern look so we can get the features Ps1 could not offer
PC ports designed by Calypso himself
“Your wish is for Twisted Metal to be more accessible? Your wish has been granted!”
@@scentlessapprentice04
Oh that's so on point with the guy!
"Say hello to poor optimization and game crashes"
@@ChaseMC215better than being stuck in space or falling to your death thinking you can fly.
I honestly won't be surprised if that's what they were going to, "Let's make a PC port of TM, but with a twist, you know? Like something Calypso would do"
@@ChaseMC215So like the spiritual successor to Calypso going bankrupt less than a year after they formed thanks to SpongeBob The Curse of the Flying Dutchman has a freezing bug on PS2 that was very severe? The GC version never had that issue.
The resolution changing on different screens is just an old PC gaming thing due to performance issues, and no it's not an issue or even noticeable most of the time on original hardware since old games like this expect to be played on an analog crt display. That will take whatever signal you give it and just run it in full screen.
Also, a lot of your issues you had playing the games would likely have been solved by installing the games on your modern PC with DGVoodoo2 wrapper instead of using a virtual machine. That thing is ACTUAL magic.
Even playstation 1 games do this trick (they usually switch between 240p and 480i)
@@Dxceor2486 yep! You are absolutely correct. That being said, it is way more pronounced and common on older PC games.
it is not magic, it just translate the API calls of old DX versions to DX11, the reason 99% of old games don't work on newer windows is because Microsoft just disabled all versions of DX older than 9, I don't know why they did that (probably for security reasons) otherwise win10/11 would run any game made for windows just like the older versions.
Windows is surprisingly compatible with old stuff as long as the support for it is not intentionally disabled.
Also google "OTVDM" it is another compatibility layer that allows those old installers to work on newer windows, so you can actually run the installers which are 16/32 bit executables and not allowed to run normally on 64-bit versions of windows.
He was using a full emulator, but yeah ultimately the problem is with a digital display.
Yeah I was about to say. Playing older games on a virtual machine is probably the worst way to play them. Nearly all of his issues would be fixed if he just ran it natively.
Congrats on the 100k subs Mr. Bacon!!! :)
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Hey Larry how's it going? I miss your videos.
@@jacksonteller3973 come to think of it: I think it HAS been a little while since I’ve seen him!
You are by far the one man that the Twisted Metal needs the most. The series almost lack any sort of documentation or preservation, which is very shocking. Ports comparison, posters, concept art, preservation etc.. all of that is very little and when there is it's old from like 16 years ago and in low quality. This series, while not underrated, is very underappreciated. It needs more stuff like this. Twisted Metal is the Godfather of Playstation franchises and Sweet Tooth is Sony's first mainstream mascot, before Crash, Spyro, Ratchet, Kratos, Nathan Drake and Joel. It deserves more love and respect
also hes the most popular guy covering twisted metal
But polygon head stood above them all!
@@joolsstoo3085 We're talking about games. Polygon man was only in PS1 ads as far I know
Sony doesn't even own Crash and Spyro, they just got a timed exclusivity for the franchises just like they did for almost every third-party franchise which is why the PS1 stomped at NES levels despite the Saturn having comparable hardware (no major screwups on the level of the N64 using cartridges instead of optical discs), it was the same tactic Nintendo used to have the NES stomp out SEGA's previous Master System all those years ago (as opposed to the other tactic of blatant monopolistic practices that only worked in the USA). Crash was a de facto mascot for the PS1 in particular instead of PlayStation as a whole in the same way Cloud Strife was, and for the same reasons.
The fact that you left the initial intended flagship mascots for PS1 and PS2, Robbit and Jak, tells you how forgettable they ended up being even though Jak and Daxter also deserve more respect from Sony, but Robbit? Nobody even knew he existed! It was Sweet Tooth's smiling flaming face that graced all the magazines of the day such as Fingerhut that weren't gaming magazines, but shopping magazines used to actually promote and sell the brand and product to the general audience to whom PlayStation was new, they just remembered Nintendo and SEGA at that point. Sweet Tooth and even Calypso were more important than pretty much any mascot that Sony actually owned, as opposed to the mercenaries they hired to pilot the PS1 to victory, they were the ones standing shoulder to shoulder with Crash, Spyro, Cloud, the lot of them! And while Ratchet and Kratos eventually took over the PS2 and beyond, Twisted Metal: Black is still one of the world-conquering PS2's most vividly-remembered and talked-about experiences. 🤡 🔥
@@jaccblacc8424 No, we're talking about mascots. But if you really HAVE to make that distinction, he was in a sony first party game too. It just took a while.
Stuff like this why I tend to avoid PC ports of 1990s / early 2000s games. Even Destruction Derby 1 and 2 are botched on PC as well.
Windows 98 games are special.. Though a lot of them work on XP machines and XP runs natively on hardware up to 2012, so you could run this without problems on a core2duos running XP, which is fantastic for LAN parties.
Luckily Flatout works near flawlessly.
both DD games run fine on DOS, the windows version you need SVEGA 2.0 for it to work
Twisted Metal 2 on PC is very playable these days because its a popular game. I didn't even know there was a pc port of 1
Give it a couple more years and we'll see both get released on GOG
I've only ever played TM2 on PC
Watch these two ports become available for purchase on GOG not long after this video's upload date.
People have been suggesting this for ages now on the site. always thought they were wanting a port; didn’t know they already had some.
Imagine that happening. If the original Resident Evil games were released on GOG, why not Twisted Metal? Granted it might have something to do with Sony and PlayStation, they're probably gonna screw the releases up with a mandatory PSN account requirement
@@ChaseMC215 GOG is DRM free and those PC versions are very old so PSN integration would be impossible.
@@shadicpro21 Thankfully. Otherwise we would deal with a 2nd helldivers situation
I was hoping you'd talk about these! I had no idea the original TMs had PC ports until maybe a year ago. Got excited for some old school emulation, then I did a bit of research on them. Disappointment, lol.
Honestly an old school emulator like bleem might give you better results.
@@acactusnamedjosh708 I'm over it at this point. PS1 emulators are pretty close to perfect these days so if I ever get the itch for classic TM, I just reach for Duckstation.
I'm surprised those games were never ported to GOG.
The classic PS1 Resident Evil games just recently got released on the platform, now I'm wondering if the same will happen to Twisted Metal?
bro GOG is a storefront, not a system.
@@Blink_____ That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think they necessarily need to go to GOG as you'd more than likely then have to buy them. Whereas most games on myabdonedware are free.
@@GalactusTheDestroyer The entire point of GOG (at least last I knew) was that they tweaked the games to work well with modern systems so all you have to do is install and play. I don't mind throwing a few bucks to a dev team if they're putting in that work. Otherwise you're left to fumble around with settings like TBP did in this video, lol.
you trying to put the team through hell to get it to run on modern PCs without fan mods?
The resolution keeps changing because it's designed to be played on a CRT and a CRT will run any old crazy resolution you throw at it and stretch it out to fill the screen. As for the reinstalling thing it's a little late but most emulators will let you take a snapshot and you could just have taken a snapshot of the entire emulator right before you start at the game and after you did your settings then just run from the snapshot
Hey man congrats on 100k, I was here the day you started posting twisted metal content, keep it up bro
I appreciate you going through the process of getting this game to work for this video, good upload !
I had no idea that there were PC ports for these.
Congratz on 100k!
Congrats on the 100K subscribers. Well deserved. Keep the hits comin’.
Congrats on the subs, man!
Been watching your videos ever since I found your Twisted Metal Series sometime ago.
Keep up the good work!
Its about time you've gotten 100,000 subs, keep up the good work TBP.
For what it's worth, I had the PC version of Twisted Metal 1 back when it was new and the double-input thing happened to me even on real hardware using a real gamepad. I didn't have a Sidewinder, but some knockoff as well as a joystick. Both gave double inputs in the menus and twitchy controls in the game. Like you, I just used the keyboard instead. I don't remember ever seeing the game in a store, but I got it out of a catalog that was available from a local computer store. I had to send in a money order and they sent the game. I didn't get a box or anything, it was just a jewel case with a disc and a manual.
Good on ya for hittin' that 100k subs and to many more, also I love your voice(not to sound weird)
Have you tried running it in modern windows with DGvoodoo2 to wrap glide to DirectX 11? You can run old games like that with higher bit depth framebuffers than they original supported and with texture filtering and higher resolutions than the game natively supports.
Well done on 100k!
The PC port of Twisted Metal 2 literally made my childhood, everyone I knew had it when they were young or at the very least know about the game and yes I was playing it using the keyboard.
As for some missing details it's because the worked on a slightly older build of the game to make the port, not sure why though.
Apparently the PC port of Twisted Metal 1 was released in Japan only and didn't sell much, that why it's a very obscure port with little to no information on it.
The fan made ports on My Abandonware works perfectly on Windows 7 and I recommend it for everyone who wants to give it a try.
there's a ready to play version of TM2 for pc out there, even the multilayer works if you set it up!
D pad was probably being emulated as a joystick so when you press it goes full left but takes a couple frames to return to zero when you release
Just five hours later and you're already up to 101k.
Iz nice.
Omedetou for 100k Bacon Sama
I did not know they even made PC ports of Twisted Metal, I can see why I haven't heard of it
I used Software tools to catch controller controls and turn them into keyboard input for other games. Maybe you can look for something like that.
Congrats Bacon, been a long time coming.
I knew of the one PC port (never got to play it), didn't know the first game was also ported. I'm pretty sure that both could be run on Windows 10 and 11 without a VM because of the 16-bit support systems in place, but I might be wrong, and even if correct there may be some weirdness associated with them.
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As far as the resolution changes, that's nothing new, but they were supposed to stretch to fullscreen as best as possible.
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You ran TM 1 on a Windows 95 VM, then a Windows 98 VM. I would of used DOSBOX (a lot of games back then actually ran via MS DOS).
The arbitrary details being left out probably have to do with transparency! Transparency is still deceptively difficult to program in 3D, and that would have been especially true on early Windows PC's. So the devs probably just opted to omit those items entirely rather than try to program a transparent shader that works well for fully modeled objects just for a couple of items.
Kind of makes for a slightly worse experience, but it's understandable.
Yep, transparency and lighting were something that PS1 was ahead of PCs of the time.
@@touppivery interesting
Have a idea about the double inputs. If you play through steam and use a controller program like DS4, the steam input and DS4 input overlap causing double input.
I remember finding this channel when you had like 1200 subscribers. Congrats bud
Congrats On 100k Subscribers!
Congrats on acquiring 10,000 subs, Tactical Bacon! You should really consider reviewing the Activision X-Men games after your vacation, as Deadpool vs Wolverine is coming out later this month!
I remember that issue with controllers on Windows 98. I cannot remember the cause or the fix; but I think it was something really simple and silly. It has been over 15 years since I setup a Sidewinder on W98.
A lot of games were not very good at switching from the native desktop resolution to the game resolution, try setting the resolution of your desktop to the default game resolution. I remember having to do that for a number of games, especially earlier titles.
7:20 oh that's a feature of old PC gaming you can scale the screen size by using the + and - keys on the keyboard
Glad to be part of the first 100k!
I still have a few sidewinder controllers around for games like this. Even a brand new sidewinder strategic commander NIB lol
I would say, once you have Twisted Metal setup the way you want it, right click the settings file (there must be one) and change the permissions to "read only". That might stop the issue you are seeing.
Congratulations on the 100k 🎉
Im glad to be the 100000th subscriber. You were sitting at 999 and I was like >:)
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Voodoo graphics oh good gravy I wasn't ready for that blast from the past.
P.s. grats buddy you've earned it
Can you not press + and - to scale up the screen size? I remember being able to do that on some older games.
I had a pc port of TM2 from the "twilight" cd series (which was just a cd full of cracked games that circulated in those days) and I never had issues with the game. Was one of my favourites for a good while, too.
"Only released in America". I'm mostly certain there was a release here in Brazil in those "PC games magazines" back in the day. Maybe just a couple years after the official release if I remember correctly. Either that or It was an extremely well made pirated edition. I bought it from a big grocery store chain so I don't think it was an illegal source. I also remember what a pain it was to install correctly even when I was using a fairly powerful TNT2 gpu. (NV5 If im not mistaken)
Anyway, I really miss this genre of games.
I was unaware of these ports. I knew about Final Fantasy 7's pc port, not only because they put it on steam (though they patched out the original midi crunchy soundfont in favor of the ps1's superior soundtrack), but also because I've seen the pc port irl at a friend's house.
Well this is me that has something like that happen stupidly often but I seem to have double inputs when im running STEAM on top of something else that does have native controller support like games running on the XBOX windows app. STeam basically runs its own drivers aside from the ones on xbox causing all inputs to register double. as you basically fooling the machine into thinking you have 2 controllers plugged in when you only have the one but each dfriver register inputs separately if that is the case and you were running steam closing it this may be a fix, if not you may want to make sure that either the windows virtual machine and the current windows dont have the controller enabled at the same time. Hope this helps.
New video let's GOOOOOO
I remember hearing the PC version of 2 was built on an older version of the PS1 port, which is why the maps are missing details. But I'm unsure if that's true or not.
the resolution issue seems like an issue with PCemu hard to tell without authentic hardware to test on because I played the pc port back in the day and never had the resolution errors try another virtualization program like VMware or virtual box
I think most of the issues listed in the first part are just emulation woes caused by the dire situation pc emulators are in at the moment. There's not really a *good* pc emulator for the windows 9x era imo
What about the painting in the Paris level In TM 2? Is there a different code behind it?
Three PC focused videos in a row?
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Congrats on 100k and great video!
How much would it cost me for you to do a tierlist of all the Twisted Metal vehicles in the series
Why did you try windows emulation and not wine on linux?
20 + years and i cant beat the game without using cheat codes lol
There is a community patch for the first games but I would suggest "Windows XP" compatibility setting for easier setup
Congrat on the 100k
Beacon Man 🙏🙏
That's how I feel about PC gaming in general-i'll take the inferior console versions that I know will run straight out of the gate over the version with higher resolution and frame-rate that might potentially give me trouble.
Regarding the differences between the TM2 PS and PC port; I think I read somewhere the PC port is actually based on an early beta build of the game? It's not that stuff was removed from the PC port, it's just that it's not complete lol
oh hey i literally subbed yesterday
I never had much games on PC back when I was young. But I own a couple games, including point & click games, Shivers and Lighthouse. And a Hotwheels racing game. This would've been neat to try it out back then. But by then, I'd just get a copy for the both or emulate them.
1:48 I don't know if I disagree with "getting the inferior experiences generally"--during the PS1 era, PC and console capabilities were still quite different to the extent that games were usually designed around one or the other and rarely was it easy to port, so whether PC or console was superior really depended on the game.
By the way there is a patch that makes both games work on windows 11
I can try it on my windows xp pentium 3 machine and see if it's your emulator or actually the hardware
You really need to revisit both the TMs on PC but next time using the Magipack Repack, that has enhancement and compatibility with Patches and DgVoodo2 already set up to run on Modern PCs on Widescreen and with no hassle
Zero fucks were given making these ports.
joy2key for controller.
changing the .exe to administrator launch in properties and MIGHT save your settings.
as far as the resolution changing, that was something the playstation did also in some games and it looks like twisted metal on pc is assuming your using a multi-resolution crt monitor which have a shiiiiiit-ton of res options usually.
Remember playing TM2 on my Pentium mmx 166mhz. Good times, i miss them. With my S3 Trio i was pretty limited in terms of what to play without 3d acceleration. Still miss these times, game had soul in them
86box apparently replaced pcem, not sure if this is a choice to keep using pcem. I just thought I would let you know. I greatly enjoyed this video by the way
Wooo, waytago dude!
Where are you getting your trainers from if there's a coinflip that they'll be a virus? The only reason they may seem so is due to how they alter code, antivirus programs mistake it for malware or a trojan.
I had the same issue back in the day on twisted metal 1 . That grey void was a thing on real hardware . I was running a p3 800mhz 512mb ram with a rage 128 card windows 98se . I don't know much more as I got the game from kazza or bearshare , just figured the issue was because it was something on a p2p network
Uh oh, am I about to hear midi Rob Zombie? Oh, it's just 1 and 2. Welp.
We played TM2 on a LAN Party in the late 90s, early 2000s. Thst was pretty cool because we did know the game from the PlayStation already, but now we could play with more players at the same time.
congrats on the 100k Subs dude and sweet video to celebrate it on
If there is one thing that the PC ports have over the console ports, it is the modding community.
To get a controller running use joy2key and just map keyboard keys to your controller
Thank you for your service good Sir.
I don't know if we got TM2 on PC right away in '97 in Germany but i bought mine in 2001 i think. Back then we had a thing called "Pyramid" in a lot of stores. It was a pyramid of cheap games for 5-10 Euros a piece. But we definitely got Twisted Metal 2 on PC at some point.
Congrats on 100k bro!! Been here since about 16k and I love the videos.
definitely the best way to play these is on a ps1 emulator called duckstation, and attaching a retroachievements account to it so you can have achievements pop up like the xbox 360. it just works, you can use any controller (i'm using an xbone controller) and the achievements breathe new life into an old game with new challenges and encouraging new ways to tackle stuff and look at differently. it's all free too. and RA supports many emulators, like ps2, nintendo 64, gameboy, etc. pretty soon they'll have support for the gamecube on the dolphin emulator too! :D
The only PC port of TM I played was the fan made release of TM2. The control mapping I've used is:
Movement: W, A, S, D or arrow keys
Turbo: F
Drift/Brake: Right Shift or S/down arrow
Machine guns: space
Currently active weapon: RCtrl
Switch between weapons: Q (previous weapon), E (next weapon)
While graphically it was not as good as PS1 version, the gameplay was a lot of fun with this mapping. Once I've got used to the controls, the game got easier the more I played this game.
The differences between the ports, besides the level designs and graphics, are: shield lasts longer in PC port, Twister's special kinda sucks in PC port, there's a button input that was supposed to buff only Grasshopper but works on every single character (besides Grasshopper I've personally used that input only on Sweet Tooth, 'cause he even sucks in PC port) and to unlock Sweet Tooth and Minion you have to type "GLORIOUSBIGBOY" and "GLORIOUSICECREAM" on character select screen. The rest is pretty much similar. I prsonally recommend this game with my mapping if you're a PC game like myself.
Other differences are less slippery handling, being able to perform combo attacks without delay (dropping 4 mines on the same spot before the first is even activated) though unintentional combo attacks can happen often, Ricochets dealing double damage, and being able to instantly choose a weapon with 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, and 8 keys.
it's insane how artificial the Moscow the skybox looks in high resolution compared to playing on a PS1 hooked up to a 24" CRT
Well deserved on 100 k bro 💪🏼🙏🏼👏🏼
Oh boy, I had no idea these were a thing. I have VMs for a ton of different Windows. I think it's time to game.
i use to play twisted metal on the playststion. but i never knew that there was a pc port
I wanted to like the PC version of twisted metal 2 because it has network multiplayer but it was such a pain to get running properly, let alone playing online or LAN
I love TM2 and JetMoto PC ports personally for my old XP machines. LAN play without split screen is the cats ass. Need the IPX patch but works quite well. The level codes work in multiplayer too; dasbak to enable cheats, TMBurbs for enormous cyberbia and TMRooftops for the terrible rooftop level. TMSwamp for the jet moto level I think...
I'm dying at the Calypso Scat Man
Congratulations for 100k subscribers Tactical Bacon Productions! You've made some really great content over the years :)
3:54 dude what is that resolution
I was curious about trying out the games after seeing your vids. Good to know I should emulate
Congrats on 100k subs, Tabby P.
tm1 and tm2 on the ps5 are incredible. i recommend those. fairly easy to platinum as well.
Along with Twisted Metal 2, there was a port of Jet Moto for PC.
AY YA DID IT 100K WOOOOO
Now if only Vigilante 8 got native PC ports
I'm reminded of a moment from Funhaus's Demo Disk show. One demo they booted up had a disclaimer that basically said, "This game may just not work for you." That is the epitome of PC gaming.
A PC version of the game was also developed and used to showcase the Windows 95-compatible Nvidia NV1 graphics accelerator chip at the Windows hardware Engineering conference in 1996 according to Wikipedia article howevere there was only the Japanese Windows version of Twisted metal.
There was never a north American copy of Twisted metal on pc.
very few games only about 8 used the NV1 and it was a costly part there was some cheaper alternatives.
so it explains why there is nothing online about twisted metal 1 pc copy
while Twisted metal 2 only had NA PC port however it was released nearly a year later after the Playstation version
Not all pc games went to all markets back then some were very limited and many games around the time were still dos versions of game or on floppy disk not all were cd based.