How the Magic fell from the Shaq-Penny '90s powerhouse to the NBA's basement

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  • čas přidán 23. 09. 2022
  • The Orlando Magic were one of the luckiest expansion franchises ever. Consecutive lottery wins handed them Shaquille O'Neal and Penny Hardaway, which allowed them to go from nothing to the NBA Finals in just 6 years. The Magic looked like the team of the future .... but they weren't. Losing Shaq played a huge part in that, but so did major injuries, a few bad moves, and some very good moves that backfired because of bad luck.
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  • @RealTomahawk7
    @RealTomahawk7 Před rokem +2103

    It's amazing how a franchise can not only lose 1 franchise center that led them to the Finals, but end up losing 2 franchise centers that led them to the Finals in the span of 20 years

    • @nathanritscherle6667
      @nathanritscherle6667 Před rokem +257

      To the same team

    • @magnumcornetto
      @magnumcornetto Před rokem +125

      @@nathanritscherle6667 Well, by the time Howard joined the Lakers (2012) he was damaged goods. He relied entirely on his athleticism, and after the back injury he was never the same. Had he stayed with the Magic, Orlando would've had a lesser version of Howard, on a max contract, at a time where the league was transitioning into making traditional centers obsolete. Being a Magic fan has been garbage all these years, but having Howard would've made very little difference.

    • @tenzinalexander
      @tenzinalexander Před rokem +44

      Magic fan here. Hope we don't lose Paola 7 years later.

    • @maplebear6527
      @maplebear6527 Před rokem +7

      @@tenzinalexander Banchero is the real deal but it's Detroits time!

    • @fuhgettaboudit
      @fuhgettaboudit Před rokem +45

      @@maplebear6527 Detroit's time to do what?

  • @tau_628
    @tau_628 Před rokem +1393

    First franchise with two collapse videos. Well done Magic!

    • @Kyle-il9ye
      @Kyle-il9ye Před rokem +46

      Bro right?! 😂😂😂

    • @hiimed1441
      @hiimed1441 Před rokem +121

      See y’all in 20 years for the 3rd collapse video !!

    • @BrandanTheBroker
      @BrandanTheBroker Před rokem +43

      All they now need is a Beef History between Shaq and Penny, they'll have 3 of those videos involving Shaq, Van Gundy, and Howard. Beef History on Van Gundy and Howard would make it 4.

    • @-billy6947
      @-billy6947 Před rokem +27

      Don't be shock if Banchero goes to the Lakers and win a championship

    • @ChiefBlue4298
      @ChiefBlue4298 Před rokem

      @@-billy6947 not the Lakers, more like the Celtics

  • @shoops1177
    @shoops1177 Před rokem +550

    The fact that this Collapse ends with a man... who *begins another Collapse* REALLY says something about Orlando, doesn't it 😭

    • @Janon743
      @Janon743 Před rokem +17

      Dwight himself wasn’t the total cause but yeah it’s funny it’s leading into another collapse lol

    • @daveintheAM
      @daveintheAM Před rokem +3

      @@Janon743 yeah hes more of, like, waving the flag of a decline to begin

  • @Carteruss
    @Carteruss Před rokem +1080

    Penny’s injuries are the biggest “what if” of the late 90s

    • @kevinzhu6417
      @kevinzhu6417 Před rokem +88

      I often think about what the league would have looked like if Penny was healthy and could maintain his level of play, I do the same for the TMac Yao rockets, Brandon Roy, etc. Damn shame they never got a fair shake from life

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned Před rokem +94

      Grant Hill on line one

    • @BrianFarstvedt
      @BrianFarstvedt Před rokem +13

      Ross Perot??

    • @Braylon1997
      @Braylon1997 Před rokem +12

      @@kevinzhu6417 add Greg oden to that list

    • @eeeee4686
      @eeeee4686 Před rokem +4

      @@kevinzhu6417 tmac would still be getting owned by his daddy deron williams

  • @AlexJMerry
    @AlexJMerry Před rokem +784

    Thank you employees and owners of secret base. Just one man here but these videos are some of the reason I wake up in the morning. Got me through it all and I’m still here. So thank you

    • @Dj_jakemo
      @Dj_jakemo Před rokem +41

      Secret base is the reason u get up in the morning, u need a hobby

    • @russallen9342
      @russallen9342 Před rokem +147

      @@Dj_jakemo way to kick a man while he’s down

    • @letitialemon
      @letitialemon Před rokem +70

      @@Dj_jakemo ratio

    • @Vasemmalta
      @Vasemmalta Před rokem +1

      Agreed!

    • @Vasemmalta
      @Vasemmalta Před rokem

      @@Dj_jakemo Go to hell.

  • @GIGAFAT3
    @GIGAFAT3 Před rokem +514

    Man Shaq leading his expansion team to a .500 record is nuts, not enough people talk about that, how great he was in Orlando. I know the 3 peat finals series were all time but this guy hit the ground running

    • @GIBBO4182
      @GIBBO4182 Před rokem +12

      Didn’t KAJ win it all with the Bucks?

    • @Janon743
      @Janon743 Před rokem +29

      @@GIBBO4182 that’s why KAJ is top 5 ever, but it’s still impressive what rookie Shaq did

    • @GIBBO4182
      @GIBBO4182 Před rokem +16

      @@Janon743 he’s the most under appreciated player in the GOAT conversation! High school and college records are unbelievable, 5/6 rings (not sure) and all those points!

    • @brianbadonde9251
      @brianbadonde9251 Před rokem +29

      @@GIBBO4182 6 rings, 6 MVPs, 15 time all NBA and 11 time all defense

    • @GIBBO4182
      @GIBBO4182 Před rokem +3

      @@brianbadonde9251 well…DAMN!

  • @acnicodemus4734
    @acnicodemus4734 Před rokem +122

    Also, it's wild that Orlando and Miami never met in the playoffs numerous times.
    Only once (1997)

    • @ogloc420
      @ogloc420 Před rokem +20

      I mean, both of them have only been good at the same time like for 3 years in the 90s, and 4 years in the 2000s-2010s

    • @MazeDaGr8
      @MazeDaGr8 Před rokem +25

      The Battle of Florida was just never meant to be

    • @hajime2k
      @hajime2k Před rokem +2

      Clippers and Lakers have never met.

    • @fiesta061000
      @fiesta061000 Před rokem +3

      very competitive series..It went to 5 games..It was best of 5 in the 1st Rd back then⁉📘🔥🏟💺🏀

    • @pomerlain8924
      @pomerlain8924 Před rokem +1

      @@fiesta061000 Penny single-handedly forced that series to 5-games, after it was looking to be a laugher after Miami went up 2-0.

  • @MarcoPolo21k
    @MarcoPolo21k Před rokem +4

    Nick Anderson's 4 missed free throws changed the momentum of the game

  • @PEExpert
    @PEExpert Před rokem +366

    Never forget those 4 missed Nick Anderson free throws. If the Magic win that game, the series becomes infinitely more competitive, and I’d favor the Shaq-Penny youth tandem down the stretch to win it all.
    It’s amazing how NBA history rides on small moments like this.

    • @manzac112
      @manzac112 Před rokem +31

      I don't think so. Once the Rockets got past Phoenix, I don't think anyone was going to stop Houston from repeating.

    • @accountant3847
      @accountant3847 Před rokem +13

      Magic was clearly a stronger team than rockets... unfortunately for them, it's hakeem...and the rockets role players also showed up big times

    • @melvynsngltn27
      @melvynsngltn27 Před rokem +15

      @@manzac112 your missing the point Orlando had game 1 won. Up by 3. They may have still lost but four missed foul shots with your team up by 3 was just a melt down

    • @manzac112
      @manzac112 Před rokem +22

      @@melvynsngltn27 Even if the Rockets had lost Game 1, we're talking about a Houston team that was very resilient and they would have still found a way to win four out of the next five games.

    • @powerbad696
      @powerbad696 Před rokem +4

      Yeah,and Shaq was PISSED at Anderson,not for missing the free-throws,but,laughing after missing the free-throws.Anderson CHOKED,big time.

  • @liltiger3
    @liltiger3 Před rokem +115

    Losing Shaq has to be one of the biggest fumbles in NBA history.

    • @chillvibed
      @chillvibed Před rokem +8

      For real.
      Doesn't get talked about enough.

    • @MentLeee
      @MentLeee Před rokem +16

      Especially when the owner was a billionaire.

    • @romant142
      @romant142 Před rokem

      @@MentLeee yeah so dumb

    • @Ccciuzz
      @Ccciuzz Před rokem +9

      Man, I got mad when my Hawks traded away Huerter to avoid like 10 millions in luxury tax, I can't imagine letting Young Shaq walk.

    • @pomerlain8924
      @pomerlain8924 Před rokem +7

      Yep, the Magic flubbed that one bad. How the hell do you lowball arguably the most physically dominant center at that time?

  • @HipsterShiningArmor
    @HipsterShiningArmor Před rokem +122

    I think the 1979 Sonics would make a great episode for this series. They were the final champion before the era of Magic and Bird began, so you could explore how they attempted to keep up with the radically altered NBA landscape of the early 80s. On top of that there’s also the Gus Williams holdout and the incredibly stupid Dennis Johnson trade.

    • @acnicodemus4734
      @acnicodemus4734 Před rokem

      To be fair, Johnson was becoming a headache back then

    • @azuredusk991
      @azuredusk991 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Try the 96 sonics collapse to 2008 when they moved to okc

  • @blackwokenotliberalwoke3061

    The Shaq and Penny Era in Orlando produced the following results:
    93-94 (swept 0-3 in 1st rd by Pacers)
    94-95 (swept 0-4 in the NBA Finals by Rockets)
    95-96 (swept 0-4 ECF by the Bulls)
    With that being said, this episode has the possibility to be a classic!

    • @powerbad696
      @powerbad696 Před rokem +19

      Yeah,that ECF sweep but tha Bulls was surprising for me,thought Orlando would win at LEAST one game !!! LOL.Before the injuries Penny was Kobe,it took Kobe 2 yrs to Blossum,Penny came in the nba destroying people.

    • @prlysis
      @prlysis Před rokem +35

      @@powerbad696 Crazy stat: in the regular season, Orlando was 12-0 against Houston from 1995-2001. Their only losses to them during that stretch was in the '95 Finals.

    • @powerbad696
      @powerbad696 Před rokem +10

      @@prlysis WOW.Good info/stats,didn't know this.

    • @20marvelman
      @20marvelman Před rokem +6

      @@powerbad696 penny was not Kobe lmao

    • @alecsanderhamilton9224
      @alecsanderhamilton9224 Před rokem +4

      @@powerbad696 Kobe was also 18. Penny went to Memphis for College. Kobe played college basketball for the Lakers. Big difference. People even SHAQ forget to mention Kobe was 18 and not Kemp or LeBron James big. He was more like Kevin Garnett and needed body development. Kevin took 1 season to really develop that but he was 19 as a rookie. Kobe was truly 18 and a guard. He needed two years and by 99 he was near Penny good except he played more off ball 🏀 and was with SHAQ in his true prime. Kobe had less responsibility in 99 with SHAQ than Penny had in 94 and 95 with SHAQ. By 2000 and 2001 it's hard to argue that Penny was better than Kobe by that time. Kobe in 2000 and 2001 is Penny in 94 95 and 96. By 97 Penny hit a wall 🧱 and his assists took a hit with his fg% immediately without SHAQ in 97. Kobe by 2002 was averaging near the same points as SHAQ. Penny never got that close to 28 ppg.

  • @jeffcherubin9073
    @jeffcherubin9073 Před rokem +22

    9:53: The fact that there was video footage of Scott's rant to those campers and Scott probably thought to himself years later, "Thank god social media wasn't a thing back then," If that happened in today's time, boy oh boy.
    Nevertheless, another great video from you guys

  • @GreenBayPayton
    @GreenBayPayton Před rokem +33

    I love how this blends perfectly with the collapse episode on the Dwight Howard Magic team

    • @jonjonzz42
      @jonjonzz42 Před rokem +9

      Absolutely watch this one then the Dwight one. One-stop Magic history... As a magic fan i hope we can turn it around

  • @Based_Proletariat
    @Based_Proletariat Před rokem +35

    I remember in 2000 hearing about the Magic talking to Tim Duncan
    and playing NBA Live 2000 and putting Duncan, Hill and McGrady all on the Magic and playing the game to see how it would look to have all three on the team....such a what if, if Duncan decided to sign with the Magic along with T-Mac and G-Hill,
    I think they could have finally won a NBA championship.

    • @JWex-jy7sk
      @JWex-jy7sk Před rokem +7

      And if Grant Hill could’ve stayed healthy too!
      The entire Magic era in this collapse was filled with a boatload of “What if’s?”
      What if Penny stayed healthy?
      What if Hill stayed healthy?
      What if they allowed Duncan to have family on team flights?
      What if they never traded Ben Wallace to get Hill?
      What if they never traded Mike Miller for Drew Gooden?
      What if they took Stoudamire in the 2002 draft instead of trading the pick?
      And of course…a lot of “What if’s?” in that 2001 draft
      John Gabriel, tremendous job he did constructing a competitive 1999-00 team.
      But this man was just terrible at drafting during his time there

    • @jerseygetsherwetter345
      @jerseygetsherwetter345 Před rokem +4

      duncan hill mcgrady is crazy

    • @jonathanwashington9199
      @jonathanwashington9199 Před 4 měsíci

      @@JWex-jy7sk Grant Hill Was Looking To Add An Three Point Shot To His Impressive Arsenal Of Moves Imagine Grant Hill With A Three Point Shot Buckets!

  • @MelloMood1
    @MelloMood1 Před rokem +63

    ........as a Orlando Magic fan for years, this video was Heartbreaking to watch. 😪💔

  • @charlesliston9267
    @charlesliston9267 Před rokem +18

    The 4 missed free throws by Nick in Game 1 of the 95 NBA Finals wasn't his only miscue. On the following play, he didn't take the delay of game during the out of bounds. This led to Kenny Smith getting a better look at a 3-pt shot, which he buried sending the game into OT. In the closing moments, he was unable to keep Drexler from going right, which was Drexler's dominant-hand. The drive to the basket by Drexler prompted Shaq to come over with help defense. This left Olajuwon alone under the basket for a game winning tip-in and a 120-118 Rockets victory.

  • @bandjolyn
    @bandjolyn Před rokem +6

    Omg $55 mil over 4 years? That's so ridiculously low. No wonder Shaq left lol.

  • @goodsoop420
    @goodsoop420 Před rokem +24

    Those 90s Magic jerseys are the most 90s jerseys to ever 90s

  • @thenumberquelve158
    @thenumberquelve158 Před rokem +30

    Doc Rivers taking that no-name squad to 41-41 is insane.
    For him to do that so early in his NBA coaching career is the icing on the cake. I never would have imagined a COACH could carry a team that much.
    (Bonus factoid: Since 2007-08, Doc Rivers has coached three teams and has missed the playoffs ONE time.)

    • @SeanGrady90
      @SeanGrady90 Před rokem +7

      Bo Outlaw on that 41-41 2000 team led the league in DBPM and finished 20th in the league in VORP. Defensive stats can be noisy and weird, but the guy was an all-defense level guy for sure; shame he never got any accolades.

    • @CrazyxEnigma
      @CrazyxEnigma Před rokem

      Still didn't deserve COTY over Phil Jackson in my book, especially since they missed the playoffs. How much the media's dislike of Jackson spurred them to to vote for Doc we'll never know but I believe is a big reason why he won it.

    • @jacobwilliams1223
      @jacobwilliams1223 Před rokem +1

      @@CrazyxEnigma I mean, just to compare, Phil Jackson had a prime Shaq, a rising Kobe and a cast of star-quality role players. Rivers had...basically nobody. I don't think bias is the reason Rivers was seen as the more impressive coach in that season.

    • @melvynsngltn27
      @melvynsngltn27 Před rokem

      @@jacobwilliams1223 star quality role players where?

    • @jacobwilliams1223
      @jacobwilliams1223 Před rokem +1

      @@melvynsngltn27 Guys like Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Robert Horry added some quality depth to the lakers and acted as star compliments to Kobe and Shaq.
      Heck that team also had Glen Rice as a star third option behind the dynamic duo. Point is Phil's roster was stacked to all hell and back.

  • @DJReyzor357
    @DJReyzor357 Před rokem +8

    The Lil' Penny's Nike commercials were legendary in the 1990's, famously voiced by Chris Rock. The 1995/1996 Chicago Bulls led by "His Airness" Michael Jordan demolished what any chance the Orlando Magic had of being lengthy contenders in the Eastern Conference.

  • @drew8703
    @drew8703 Před rokem +85

    That Dennis Scott incident was something I never forgot, it was so out there. I remember it being an actual mental breakdown and the Orlando management expressing genuine concern for D3's mental well-being. I never heard this was incorrect and D3 took some time to get better.

    • @joshlewis575
      @joshlewis575 Před rokem +10

      Rich young and in Florida, I'm sure the booger sugar had a little to do with that.

    • @drew8703
      @drew8703 Před rokem +5

      @@joshlewis575 This video didnt show the Expedition he backed up and opened with huge speakers bumpin the beats he rapped to -- I wonder if it was freestyle or he had written down some of it beforehand.
      Honestly, though, I felt bad for the kids . They had such confused looks on their faces after probably being really excited to see D3 at the camp. Who knows though, they could have been persuaded and enlisted to help D3 get paid.
      D3 is a good dude and I am always glad to see him on NBA TV. I pick up his skybox rookie card every time I come across one.

    • @OhNo_4mor4freaknbiden
      @OhNo_4mor4freaknbiden Před rokem +2

      @@joshlewis575 when he's over there telling little 6-year-olds " don't call me 3D anymore" then you know he had snot dust

    • @jonathanwashington9199
      @jonathanwashington9199 Před rokem

      Michael Jordan Apparently Had Anger Issues After The 1990 Eastern Conference Finals Elimination He Used That As Fuel To Exact His Revenge In 1991

    • @hisuianzoroark5726
      @hisuianzoroark5726 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@jonathanwashington9199Same with the Bulls' Playoff loss to the Magic in 1995 and Jordan getting revenge the following season.

  • @coruscant100
    @coruscant100 Před rokem +23

    Damn, the Magic must be really bad when they get not one, but TWO Collapse videos.
    I'm still hoping the next Collapse video is about how the Redskins fell from grace because of Dan Snyder's incompetence. The guy is basically the James Dolan of the NFL.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion Před rokem +4

      Truly. All DMV residents hate that man.

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa Před rokem +1

      But hey, the culture is "damn fine"
      Trust me, we in Cincinnati are grateful he replaced Mike Brown as most hated NFL OWNER

  • @JayBeingNatural
    @JayBeingNatural Před rokem +68

    It's always a good day for me when Seth talks about 90s NBA. 🙂

  • @matthewforbes2969
    @matthewforbes2969 Před rokem +28

    Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of Lord Stanley for 28 years
    Untitled: Marcel Dionne
    Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
    Untitled: Ted Williams
    Untitled: Paul kariya
    Rewinder: game 7 of the 1994 Stanley cup finals
    Collapse: how the Anaheim ducks went from champions to annual chokers
    Untitled: Don Nelson as a coach
    Beef history: Mike ditka vs buddy ryan
    Beef history: New York giants vs Philadelphia eagles
    Untitled: pavel Bure
    Rewinder: Kirby puckett’s walk off in the World Series
    Collapse: how the New York islanders went from legendary dynasty, to the league’s basement
    Collapse: how the Washington redskins died at the hands of Dan Snyder
    Untitled: Bruce Matthews
    Collapse: how the Buffalo bills failure to win one of 4 straight Super Bowls led to 2 decades of failure
    Collapse: how Pittsburgh Steelers steel curtain was melted down into spare parts

    • @ahogg5960
      @ahogg5960 Před rokem +1

      The Untitled episode of Ted Williams would start the same way the Barry Bonds one did. Ted could have batted 1.000 his whole career and never won a game, let alone a World Series if the pitching sucks and the rest of the bats are cold.
      Untitled episodes about baseballers don't really work because baseball puts a hard ceiling on individual achievements

    • @musyarofah1
      @musyarofah1 Před rokem

      Collapse: how Liverpool FC went from 80's dynasty to 3 decades of league drought
      Collapse: how Manchester United fell from Ferguson's dynasty to mediocrity
      Untitled: Steven Gerrard and Premier League
      Untitled: Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Champions League
      Rewind: "corner taken quickly,..."
      Prism: Jose Mourinho's coaching career

    • @mae2759
      @mae2759 Před rokem

      Steelers never really "collapsed" though. They were always pretty competitive.

  • @lastsinnersa8002
    @lastsinnersa8002 Před rokem +24

    This team was so damn exciting and they got the draft right with Shaq and Penny. But Game 1 against Houston, it felt like the end started right there and Penny's injuries triggered an avalanche from melted snow created by Shaq being low-balled in free agency.

    • @belethon
      @belethon Před rokem +7

      Not only that both shaq and 3d will readily admit they came into the series with the wrong attitude partying all night before game one while rockets were resting up and watching game tapes. They lost that series on experience that's why vets matter on a team as well as playoff experience theu could have won thay series. Also if you're curious the place I got them admitting having the wrong attitude was on an episode of open court.

    • @powerbad696
      @powerbad696 Před rokem +1

      Yeah,Shaq took that-PERSONALLY.Which he should have,being a franchise player.

  • @SuperHero3
    @SuperHero3 Před rokem +37

    That Game 1 of the 95 Finals has to be the greatest Game 1 of any sport in a seven game series. I was just a kid but I still remember watching Nick Anderson with those missed free throws, I thought he was going to cry. I felt so sorry for him.

    • @df4480
      @df4480 Před rokem +1

      I also was a kid in Houston praying for him to missed those shots. Then Clyde drive through the lane and misses and Hakeem puts it back in. Then Kenny with the 3 ball...The Rockets were the first team to use the 3 point line as a weapon. Anyway one of the most iconic game in the Finals.

  • @Ninja0492
    @Ninja0492 Před rokem +6

    The Fallen Franchise of the Orlando Magic....
    2 Eastern Conference Titles - 1995 to 2009
    Became the NBA's forgotten squad -
    Endless Rebuilding - No chance of an NBA Championship but this team deserves at least one title - Unbelievably Sad & Heartbreaking.

  • @oN3xShOtxkilL
    @oN3xShOtxkilL Před rokem +10

    This Magic Moment is in my top 5 of the 30 for 30’s

  • @a2k.prod.
    @a2k.prod. Před rokem +7

    If only The Front office gave Shaq that contract, What if Nick Anderson makes those free throws, what if Penny never got injured. Penny is My favorite Point guard of all time sad to see how short lived these Magic teams were

  • @FrankW1029
    @FrankW1029 Před rokem +8

    and then Phoenix Suns extended Penny & GHill's career. two of my favorite players that was the biggest "what if" in my book.

    • @vittiriowashington5211
      @vittiriowashington5211 Před rokem +3

      Call me crazy, but I really feel like, had they stayed healthy, they would've altered the trajectory of the Bulls/MJ success.

  • @taylordunekacke5784
    @taylordunekacke5784 Před rokem +5

    The Bulls with Jordan lost in 1995 to the Magic but no one wants to talk about it or give the Magic any credit for the win whatsoever.

    • @vittiriowashington5211
      @vittiriowashington5211 Před rokem +1

      Facts, Penny average 25 pts, 4 rebounds, and 3 assist, being guarded by Pippe.n, MJ, and Kukoc.

  • @ok-eu5nq
    @ok-eu5nq Před rokem +16

    this was my childhood, the story of a Magic fan growing up in the 90s. man I was so excited when we got grant hill. it was super disappointing to watch the injury thing happen again like it did to Penny

  • @nathanbeardsley5936
    @nathanbeardsley5936 Před rokem +6

    do a collapse on the 2016 Atlanta falcons and the San Antonio spurs

  • @zach7825
    @zach7825 Před rokem +8

    how bad does your franchise have to be to have TWO separate collapse videos 😭😭😭

    • @zach7825
      @zach7825 Před rokem +1

      also: might need a penny prism after this 👀👀👀

  • @charliemirus4124
    @charliemirus4124 Před rokem +17

    Beautifully done. Wish small markets could keep their cores together more than they can in any sport.

  • @manzac112
    @manzac112 Před rokem +8

    If you want to do an interesting collapses and I'm from Houston, the 2019 Houston Texans and 2018 Houston Rockets would be great choice. I would also like and dread the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks collapse, because I am a fan of that team and they won the World Series when I was born.

  • @brycetheoddball
    @brycetheoddball Před rokem +61

    I have been asking for this specific collapse since y’all introduced the series concept, I love you guys’ content.

  • @manzac112
    @manzac112 Před rokem +5

    And speaking of Tim Duncan and the Spurs, I think it's about time to do a Collapse episode on the 2013-14 Spurs.

  • @user-jw5qj8kv2y
    @user-jw5qj8kv2y Před rokem +19

    1990s Magic was a fun team!
    The duo of Shaq and Penny was a very strong and cool duo.
    Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson and Dennis Scott were great players.

    • @powerbad696
      @powerbad696 Před rokem +1

      And don't forget Horace Grant.He played very well for Orlando.

    • @abesalgado2083
      @abesalgado2083 Před rokem +2

      And don’t forget Dennis Scott

  • @Doknot-tb9ey
    @Doknot-tb9ey Před rokem +17

    Its sad what happened to the Magic after Shaq left and to the franchise as a whole. Would love to see a collapse video of the 1996 Sonics and the 2008 Celtics.

    • @jamesbartee6184
      @jamesbartee6184 Před 2 měsíci

      I believe Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner might bring the Magic back into the playoffs

    • @Doknot-tb9ey
      @Doknot-tb9ey Před 2 měsíci

      @@jamesbartee6184 I think so.

  • @carsonyoung9965
    @carsonyoung9965 Před rokem +18

    Penny's injury and downfall broke my heart. Loved watching him as a kid

    • @MarloSoBalJr
      @MarloSoBalJr Před rokem +2

      The Hardaway brothers in general. Magic and Heat had some seriously good squads throughout the 90s

  • @MrTUBEular10
    @MrTUBEular10 Před rokem +8

    Having a front seat to the dynasty of Da Bulls, and then a front seat to the Magic from 97 to the present, this was a hell of a lot of nostalgia. Excellent as always.

  • @mikewerner1304
    @mikewerner1304 Před rokem +15

    Absolutely loved that Shaq/Penny squad. So glad they are on 2k.
    Great video as always

  • @wanderlustwarrior
    @wanderlustwarrior Před rokem +15

    There are now multiple Magic collapses and multiple Magic need histories. Please make a playlist for each team like this! You might also want to include times a team is on the wrong end of a Rewinder.

  • @vincentrecto8794
    @vincentrecto8794 Před rokem +18

    Great vid. Also I believe it's finally appropriate to create Rewinders about the NBA Bubble. Moments like Luka's game winner vs the Clippers, Jimmy Butler's finals performance and many more.

  • @serroche
    @serroche Před rokem +15

    Thanks Seth and Secret Base team for another masterpiece

  • @sh00ner
    @sh00ner Před rokem +5

    Still blows my mind the Magic fumbled Tim Duncan because of Doc not letting wives on the team plane. Who knows if Hill stays healthy in that timeline, but a prime Duncan and T-Mac combo would've been incredible.

  • @IamJamesWade
    @IamJamesWade Před rokem +12

    Secret Base… Collapse is by far the BEST docu-series on EARTH. And you all did my favorite team of all time, the Shaq and Penny Magic and you EXCEEDED expectations! Great job!

  • @RobGilmore69
    @RobGilmore69 Před rokem +4

    I can't say that I remember anything from the mid-90's Magic, but I do remember how much fun it was to watch that 2009 team, and I remember there being a crazy atmosphere in their home arena during that playoff run. It's a shame they haven't been able to maintain success, because those fans DO show up in large quantities when the team is good.

  • @schnarfschnarf5886
    @schnarfschnarf5886 Před rokem +2

    That was a fun time in the NBA.. I remember all these players

  • @billybaugus1249
    @billybaugus1249 Před rokem +3

    I was a hardcore Charlotte Hornets fan but that Magic team i loved. Really because of Penny more then anything. What a shame he got injured.

  • @EliT347
    @EliT347 Před rokem +6

    YES, this series is back! Pretty gnarly for a franchise with two Finals appearances to have two Collapse videos after those championship runs.

    • @vittiriowashington5211
      @vittiriowashington5211 Před rokem

      also to have to have 2 overall number 1 pics at the center position, very very coincidental.

    • @shamsielshahar120
      @shamsielshahar120 Před rokem

      Also in the 2010s, they got Vucevic in the trade. Not as talented as those two before him but it seems the Magic's rebuild is centered around centers. (Lol no pun)

  • @stevensuarez4843
    @stevensuarez4843 Před rokem +4

    This deserves a part 2.

  • @steventaylor7953
    @steventaylor7953 Před rokem +2

    We need a 08 celtics vid, I think it would be an interesting watch.
    The ray decision and how the team reacted, how the celtics also tried to trade him.
    Also the trade with the nets in the end.
    I think it could be good!

  • @henning14
    @henning14 Před rokem +7

    That Magic-Finals teams with Shaq and Penny turned me into a 🏀fan and in holidays I spent nights in front of the TV at my grandparents in Europe.

    • @darrengordon-hill
      @darrengordon-hill Před rokem +1

      91 NBA Finals while on holiday in Barbados in 1992.
      I'm English.
      Merry Christmas

  • @CounterCultureCantCount
    @CounterCultureCantCount Před rokem +4

    I always thought that the Magic had the all-time worst medical staff in the NBA. The amount of players who got injured while plating for them is mind-blowing (Penny, Shaq, Seikaly, Hill, McGrady). On the other hand, the Phoenix Suns always managed to extend players' careers with top-notch physicians.

  • @goleafsgo332000
    @goleafsgo332000 Před rokem +5

    Collapse is one of the best series you guys have. I hope you have more of theses videos coming soon.

  • @abdouibrahimdaher3894
    @abdouibrahimdaher3894 Před rokem +2

    Doc rivers fumbling the signing of Duncan in 2000 to form a big 3 with TMac and Grant hill, is one of the biggest ifs in that franchise.

  • @WarioSaysSo
    @WarioSaysSo Před rokem +4

    The "What if" Orlando Magic dynasty that never happend is one of the most interesting theories in NBA history IMO.
    The Magic could have made that happend and it was not at all to far off the mark. BUT as we all know already the loss of Shaquille O'neal, injuries to Penny Hardaway and Anderson's dropp and more just shot the franchise in the foot(s). The Magic was SO CLOSE to take over the crown after the Chicago Bulls dynasty had ended due to aging, but if a team can't hold up togheter, stay focus & dedicated like MJ's Bulls did in the late 80's to develop and evolve, then you regardless of potential tallent will never reach that top.
    The Magic really looked like the next Bulls dynasty for a couple of years. IMO, if I could have decided in any way, I would have traded the Lakers dynasty for a Magic dynasty!

  • @marcjohn9404
    @marcjohn9404 Před rokem +8

    Sports teams didn't know about how to treat injuries back then. Basically, their logic was to try to get guys to fight through potentially serious injuries, and the Magic did this with Hardaway. Not only that, but being stupid enough not to go all in with Shaq, sealed their fate.

  • @jguinto101
    @jguinto101 Před rokem +17

    Thank you for this, die hard Magic fan. Hoping for them to win chip before the Clippers.

  • @joesakic91
    @joesakic91 Před rokem +1

    The Orlando Magic in the Shaq, Penny, and Brian Hill era between 1994 and 1996 saw them gave up when they had a heartbreaking moment that led them being eliminated from the playoffs in a sweep.

  • @The80damo2
    @The80damo2 Před rokem +7

    Love this video! Would love to collapse videos on the 90s Sixers, post big three Celtics, Cavs post 85 Chicago Bears, post Walsh/Seifert 49ers, post Elway Broncos to name a few but LOVED this Episode, Fellas!

  • @AirRusher1992
    @AirRusher1992 Před rokem +5

    Well this one covers the 1990s Orlando Magic of Shaq and Penny with the other Collapse video about the Magic centered around Dwight Howard. This Magic could've been the future of the league until Shaq left and Penny's career got cutshort by injuries but they were still a great but also one of the biggest what-ifs in NBA history.

  • @tomohanley923
    @tomohanley923 Před rokem +3

    Dam this is just sad. The magic of the 90s and early 2000s gotta be the most interesting “what ifs” ever. If Shaq never left, if Penny was healthy, if Duncan ended up in Orlando, if Grant Hill was healthy. Great video

  • @geravalle1111
    @geravalle1111 Před rokem +1

    Seth has to narrate every secret base video. Others dont have the charisma like he does

  • @kyledamron
    @kyledamron Před rokem +1

    The Shaq and Penny duo was so great. It sucks Penny got injured

  • @paulyiustravelogue
    @paulyiustravelogue Před rokem +5

    This episode was especially close to me. I was a youngster just started watching the NBA when the started to get good with Shaq. I lived through each and every step of that collapse that you mentioned.

  • @buckn5
    @buckn5 Před rokem +9

    I have missed this series, thank you for bringing it back.

  • @imarriedabrkfsttaco3737
    @imarriedabrkfsttaco3737 Před rokem +1

    The Magic had next to no chance of picking #1 in '93 after getting Shaq in '92. They got Michigan PF, Chris Webber with the #1 pick,then traded him to Golden State minutes later and got Penny Hardaway. Made it to the playoffs for the first time,got swept out by Indiana in the first round. Made it to the NBA Finals the next season,got swept out by Houston!

  • @JoshManDade
    @JoshManDade Před rokem +2

    The 30 for 30 for this story AND the Grantland Oral History are both really good at covering this story. Nice to see Secret Base cover it, too. Tragic story.

  • @joshhale7004
    @joshhale7004 Před rokem +5

    excellent video. I loved those mid 90s magic teams. peak Penny was so fun.

  • @mckdogdrums3543
    @mckdogdrums3543 Před rokem +7

    I never realised how many great players were at Orlando. I forgot Hill was there or a young Ben Wallace. Such talent walked in and out!
    I really feel for T Mac though. I feel like he was at his best in the league with Kobe for a few years and was doing most of it. Shame Hill was out.

  • @jphuture
    @jphuture Před rokem +1

    During the 99 lockout season they were the 1 seed in the Eastern conference until a long break in the weird schedule threw off their rhythm in the final stretch going into the playoffs hence the 1st round loss to the sixers

  • @Nerdznewznow
    @Nerdznewznow Před rokem +2

    God damn why does channel always go for my throat? The shoe throw from the gators, “the catch” with the cubs, and don’t forget their video about the Dwight Howard Magic

  • @bangaamen501
    @bangaamen501 Před rokem +5

    Damn secret place y'all really Savage I just realized and I probably should have realized it because I've been a resident in Orlando for almost a decade, but you guys have two episodes dedicated on the Orlando magic collapsing alone. As lucky as the franchise can be it's also one of the most unlucky. History definitely repeated itself

  • @DynastyIcon
    @DynastyIcon Před rokem +12

    Secret Base.. GOATS 💯 LEGENDS 💯 ICONS 💯 those are the words I can think of to accurately describe how dope you guys are for putting out content like this.. much appreciated 🙏🏾

  • @trashpanda314
    @trashpanda314 Před rokem +1

    Shawn Kemp looked absolutely miserable in that pic of him holding up the Magic jersey! 😂😂☠️

  • @BlackSaiyan24
    @BlackSaiyan24 Před rokem +2

    As a Magic fan, this stung. The fact that we could have easily had a starting lineup that featured Ben Wallace, Duncan, Hill and McGrady keeps me up at night. We would have been in the finals for 7 years straight

  • @July-yk3un
    @July-yk3un Před rokem +3

    I had the ultimate quintessential collapse

  • @chicityvetIckes079
    @chicityvetIckes079 Před rokem +4

    My favorite version of Shaq a big that was quick and definitely made an impact immediately

  • @tgproductions97
    @tgproductions97 Před rokem +2

    The return of Collapse! I missed it so much I actually found a channel who basically ripped off your format 😂 fun to see some other stories be told but obviously their videos don’t hold a candle to the OG

  • @MrKneri22
    @MrKneri22 Před rokem +3

    This was my favorite team growing up. Shaq left. Jordan retired. I was pissed at basketball

  • @Jones_of_Ark
    @Jones_of_Ark Před rokem +6

    I'd love to see a video on the collapse of the Harden lead Rockets, since they were seen as a team that can beat the Warriors but never could.

  • @keebo_
    @keebo_ Před rokem +5

    I always know that on the weekends I get to watch the best sports channel tell great stories masterfully, absolutely phenomenal, have u guys ever thought of doing one on the 90s maple leafs? Back to back game 7 conference finals with some absolute legends on their teams, including the carry fisher incident? Hell of a story

  • @charlesdunn442
    @charlesdunn442 Před rokem +2

    Low balling prime Shaq when he’s set to become a free agent is one of the dumbest moves in history.

  • @Juandirection1
    @Juandirection1 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Man so crazy that horry is seen like that from other fan bases. I’m a laker fan so I’ve never seen him in anything but a positive light. I will never forget watching that shot at the buzzard.

  • @ampep7
    @ampep7 Před rokem +5

    As a bulls fan they were exciting to watch its sad had all this happened I always wanted the magic to succeed but the 30 for 30 series shows slot and if penny never got hurt and nick Anderson made the free throws who knows

  • @Porthos240
    @Porthos240 Před rokem +3

    My interest in the NBA really took off in the 93-94 season, with Penny and Webber rookie cards being sought out commodities. So I'm biased. But still, this is one of the most interesting stories of "so close" and "what if" after all these years.
    As much as I adore Hakeem as my all time fav 5/C, I would've loved seeing him win just one, and this team take one. I think that could've given this young team the confidence, structure and momentum and further vetern pieces wanting a ring, to seriously have threatened and taken at least one of MJ's later 3 trophies.
    Oh well, at least we got gotto enjoy Kobe(RIP)/Shaq time.

  • @brandonenoch1402
    @brandonenoch1402 Před rokem +1

    This is my favorite channel for sports related content hands down. Thank you so much for this video. Tmac is my favorite player ever so watching him suffer so many losses those years despite playing like the best player in the world at that time. Great video

  • @Riddickbowler
    @Riddickbowler Před rokem +1

    We need more of these. Make one on the Harden-Capela-D'Antoni Houston Rockets or, if things were to become genuinely interesting, a Collapse on the downfall of the San Antonio Spurs or even the Seattle SuperSonics.

  • @jerzeygeneral87
    @jerzeygeneral87 Před rokem +4

    What a good point about needing luck! This team made me fall in love with basketball even more than those Bulls teams! Great job on this video and everything else you all do 🏀

  • @phatshotsgaming7578
    @phatshotsgaming7578 Před rokem +4

    I’m a simple man I see a collapse video and I click right away

  • @DS_IndustrieZ
    @DS_IndustrieZ Před 10 měsíci +1

    Penny's moved off court surpasses anything he could of accomplished in the NBA. He gave back to the community, his documentary is epic. Took his highschool to championships and became a college bball coach. His best friend since childhood was the previous coach but fell I'll to terminal cancer his dying words were take the boys to the championship. And penny fulfilled the prophecy.

  • @konnorrockkonnoisseur4970

    I was born '99 and raised in Orlando. While Tim Tebow was my hero in football, Dwight Howard was mine in basketball. In his prime, he was electric. When he left for the Lakers, the team that beat us in the only Finals I ever got to see the Magic play in, I felt betrayed. Then over the years I had to watch him go from team to team a shell of his former self. I used to say "good riddance", but later on I just felt pity, because I remember the good times more than the bad afterwards. tbh, I wish he pulls a KG and comes home for one last season.

  • @slayerde440
    @slayerde440 Před rokem +5

    Growing up a Magic fan was rough... I was 8 when Shaq left, I cried. Swore off basketball for a few years.

  • @AVSCOUNTRY2024
    @AVSCOUNTRY2024 Před rokem +3

    Just tells you just how fast a team can asscent to the top and just as fast fall back to reality. I know this as an Avs fan, I never excepted my childhood team to bring the Stanley cup home. In 2016-17 we hit rock bottom and somehow got the 4th pick but took a once in a generation defenseman Cale Makar

    • @DestinyZX1
      @DestinyZX1 Před rokem

      And then the Avs won the cup in 2022.

    • @AVSCOUNTRY2024
      @AVSCOUNTRY2024 Před rokem

      @@DestinyZX1 I was getting to that part 😂. It feels like a fantasy world. I watched my team lose so much and to finally win it all felt like a dream come true. It’s just one of those moments as a sports fan. Your happy and crying tears of joy

  • @ezhanhanafi8092
    @ezhanhanafi8092 Před rokem +2

    Thank you Secret Base.. really enjoyed this one ⭐️

  • @ron.mexico.
    @ron.mexico. Před rokem +2

    Love this. Done exceptionally well! Great job.