That’s a beautiful frame! Can’t wait to follow the build. I don’t ride off-road much anymore but I have been thinking about building up a Swiss Cross to go along with my Road Logic and my Carbon Breakaway. All great bikes! And happy to hear your gal is doing better. ❤
Love my outback in sunset fade. The straight steerer is phenomenal in its suppleness. One of the best riding bikes I've had. Sold my trek checkpoint 😊 Waiting for my road logic disc to be built. Looking forward to that too. Hard to get the rim brake version in Australia Keep the great content flowing
Hey George, like I mentioned earlier, Tom Richie has always designed and built beautiful frames & components. You presentation is right on ! You hit all the important points of the frame/fork construction, rim/tire combination as well as the included hardware.... Looking forward to your build-up of this very cool, steel frame .... Keep it simple !
Beautiful Frame! I just bought a new steel frame bike for road/gravel use. I was happy to hear you mentioned about the rear derailleur hanger, I bought a spare one for my bike. I had the option of internal or external cable routing. I went internal so it wouldn't get in the way of my bags. Now after watching this, I wish I hadn't.
Such a classy frame, color, and build. Agree with metal frames off tarmac for durability. External under downtube routing excellent for tarmac for less fuss, not the best with off CX/gravel/mtb bikes due gunk build up zone on the cables. Old CX canti/v-brake race frame as the routing on top of the top tube. Ride the dirt bike when the weather turns bad or rougher roads on tarmac. Then keep the road bike clean for most of the days. One reason I go with CX/gravel bikes for that reason for general use. Thoes mega long dirt rides sounds like fun. Tough call looking over the ritchey 50th ani. frame due to a limited run which makes it a special frame from a well known quality frame maker to get another which is more common with less quality.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad just picked up a CAAD 2014 to build 🤩 would you recommend the HED Jet black wheels ? Any recommendations on a nice 100mm stem and 38mm handlebar ? Thinking maybe Zipp or Deda
Just a heads up, I litterally just dropped my 50th anniversary Outback off at RideWrap in Whistler so they can 3D scan and make a tailored wrap kit that will cover 95% of the frame. If this is Medium, then there will be a kit available for you shortly
I see your Road Logic and your Outback and I raise you one Swiss Cross 😊 I need to profile the Swiss Cross. Thank you for watching please consider subscribing
I'm excited for you and excited to see your build on the frame. I've been eyeing that Ritchey Outback since it came out and once they dropped the anniversary edition, I was wow'd by the paint job! I will pull the trigger this wee! On another note, I've worked in the bike industry for 15+ years and want to tell you I agree with you, I now want a steel frame bike. Carbon bikes are great but sometimes it just seems like it "the industry" is designed to SELL you a newer version of something thatis perfectly made. After 15+ years i;ve come to the conclusion, there's nothing like a well designed steel frame.
It always comes back around doesn’t it? Once people are done chasing the latest and greatest they will realize they always had it… It was their steel bike!
Hey George Beautiful colors on the new Bike. I just finished a custom build from a boutique company called twin six. They build a twin six rando titanium bike. Zipp ergo handle bars and zipp stem both aluminum. Zipp aluminum seat post with a wtb saddle. Wheels are HED emporia wrapped in vittoria 35mm tires. SRAM rival two bi etap electric groupset. All cables are ran externally. Round tube frame like the ritchey
Hello Salvador! Sounds like a sweet build. I never got a chance to thank you for your super thank you. thank you for supporting the channel. It was an extremely busy time when Jess got hit by a truck and I was in the hospital with her.
I haven't ridden the Outback, I just built a Ritchey Swiss Cross disc and I can confirm the secret sauce is finger licking good, it's incredibly comfortable with carbon rims with 700x38c Panaracer SK. So good to be back on steel. The build was so easy with external cables and I can't even notice them when I'm riding. Total build weight for 1x was 9.44kg riding weight and you can't feel the weight at all, it's a blast to ride and I've been PR so many dirt segments and even a road KOM segment.
Agree with everything you said about the Outback! My recommendation based on my Outback Breakaway: 140 mm Hope rotors, Klampers, Zeta GX 650b with 2.1 tires. I am 195 lbs and did the Alto de letras carrying 10 lbs, NO issues with 140 mm brakes! Best Bike in my collection!
I have a 2015 QR Disc Swiss Cross. It's a great bike. Regarding included components with framesets. I recent bought a Trek Domane RSL frameset and thought it was weird that it didn't include a compression/expander plug or headset top cap. It also didn't come with steerer spacers for the optional integrated cable routing stem, though it did come with the headset cover... It did not come with the proprietary seatpost, but presumably that's because there are two setback options and two length options to choose from.
I like the fact you mentioned riding offroad you prefer steel funny because I just watched a video today for the new ENVE gravel bike the MOG. It's a carbon bike obviously being an ENVE product, but still made in China. You should watch that video presentation if you want a good laugh because that guy talking at the presentation had to be top of the class in collage when it came to BS. I couldn't resist and had to troll the video. But I am with you because I learned my lesson from my mountainbike days when I bought a Scott Spark carbon and just a couple of months of using it I fell and the chainstay hit up against a rock and cracked the chainstay. It was so easily broken I couldn't believe it. I would never buy a carbon bike for offroad use. I like your new bike. Interested in that wrap you mentioned.
That is such a cool frame colour wow :) I have a sunset fade Outback. You may want to think about swapping out the stock compression plug that comes with the Frameset:
Sweet color - perhaps just a splash of bright red somewhere to set it off. Love how they thought of everything to make it last and keep it simple, like you don't even need to spray the inside of the frame. Great support - just email and someone knowledgeable writes back. Just got a brand new 1" Ritchey fork and WCS headset to update a late 90s Lemond 853 to threadless. They still make them - so someone in the know understands what that's all about. I've broken 2 11s Ultegra chains in the past year. The sideplate just pulled off the pin both times climbing a steep. The chains were mid-life but not worn. It makes me think 11s is where durability issues start going convex. I have 1X11s on a MTB and have never been happy with it - sounds like hell. Going back to 9/10 and 3X if needing range. 2X the durability for 1/2 the price - or something like that.
That’s interesting what you mentioned about your 11 speed chains. I do a lot of steep climbing here. We have a lot of 15 to 20% grade and then some in this area and I’ve never had a chain fail on me. If you follow me on Strava you’ll see I do, lots of rides with 50-60 miles with 10,000 ft all on stupid steep hills.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad As these parts keep getting narrower, something has to give eventually. So far, I've had 2 chain fails and at least one cog fail (bent teeth on missed shift under load) - all on 11s. I think I'm roughly half your mileage, elevation and time per year. IDK if it makes a difference but I'm 40-60 rpm a lot on the steeps (high chain tension) and still on lube (will try wax when supply runs out). PS - idea for your Outback - dropper post!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yeah sure. they're getting lighter and cheaper. i've only used on mtb but will try soon on a road frame. descending stuff aside, i've found it helps a lot to be lower than normal road position when climbing steep and loose stuff. modulation is key for underbiking.
@@rodjonsson813 hmm that’s interesting about you wanting to be lower while climbing steep stuff. I don’t know that I would want to shorten my leg travel on a steep grade. I slide forward up to the nose of the saddle to keep the front wheel on the ground but other than that I wouldn’t think a dropper post would help as it’s limiting leg extension in your pedal stroke
Can’t wait to see this built up. It’s between this and a Gunnar hyper x or Fairlight secan. All use good steel and are tig welded but man that ritchey limited sure is nice!
I have a 2x gravel bike. I use it for both road riding. I’ve seen some gravel bikes with full suspension and I am shaking my head because it’s a xc mtb with dropped down handlebar. I think Niner makes them. I’d love to get the Ritchey logic one of these days. It’s like having a classic car with modern tech components.
@@mattgermon2945 not yet I’m focused on riding road for the summer. I am training for Paris Brest Paris - PBP 750 miles unsupported with 90 hour time limit - August 20-24
Love Ritchey have the road logic disc only xl frame available in europe bought it in Girona for a great price. bought the niner steel insted Ritchey outback quacemole [green) its a one by 2by not available due covid last year will switch to 2 by in future. no elecrics just kabels'
I bought a Marin Nicasio since weight doesn't really matter, and it came with headset and bottom bracket, and had 73.5 seat tube, 102 wheel base. Frame is made in Indonesia. Not a climber, but very very mechanic friendly frame.. Same headtube shape as the Ritchey.
Nice! Marin makes good stuff. That’s interesting it came with a bottom bracket because how would they know what Crankset you were going use. Is it a threaded Bb 68mm ? Is it steel?
Very nice looing frame! Gonna be fun to watch the build. Any idea on wheelset? Was wondering if you were going to go with carbon wheels, stem and bars w/ carbon sestpost to try and offset sone of the frame weight. Or maybe it doesn’t really matter in a gravel bike.
I have a set a HED disc wheels. I’m probably going to put a road group on it. I have a bunch of carbon stuff laying around that I will probably use. I’m not trying to save weight on it. It’s irrelevant on a gravel and especially a steel gravel bike.
Just got mine (and didn’t even realize how lucky.. 650 units?!)! Agree with all your points. I knew and admired Ritchey from growing up in the 90s on MTBs, but never really got the whole “not all progress is progress” ethos. So many years later I absolutely get it. A Swiss Cross Disc I built in 2017 forever changed the way I view what I need from a bike, and this beautiful blue Outback is just checking the last remaining boxes. Happy riding!
I've got a steel Ritchey tubed Scott Pro Racing mtb frame from the 90s with fillet brazed seat cluster weighs nearly 3lbs so it is really light. I made it into a monstercross gravel bike, 1x10, Microshift barend shifter, carbon fork and it is amazing on or offroad so comfortable too.
I don't get the 1x thing either, if the bike is a hardtail. I am running Ultegra RX clutch RD with 52-34 front and 11-40XT (Shimano Specs 34T, but clears 40T in real world) cassette on my gravel bike with no issues, that gets me up all the technical climbs I need while retaining good top speed on road. The clutch is nice so that when you suddenly stop pedaling, you don't get a chain jerk due to angular momentum of the big cassette.
I know you said you don't like 1x and I agree but what is your opinion of the Classified gear hub? It's a smaller cassette so I wouldn't think it would feel so hokey. It is really expensive for the common consumer but some brands are adopting it.
I have all the stuff to build it now and I’m really excited to get it on the road/dirt. But I’m wondering if I should get some other stuff to build it with
Excellent and informative video! What size is your frame and how tall are you? I've had my eye on the Outback for a few years, but the sizing seems quirky. Going by my Road Logic sizing (53 cm), it seems like I'd fall between small and medium. Any thoughts on what size a 5'8" person should consider? Thanks!
DISCLAIMER: This is not a bike size recommendation. This is just my fitting data. I ride a 55cm Road Logic. I’m 5’9” with a long inseam and a short torso. My saddle height with the crank arm down along the seat tube axis is 95 cm. My bars are all the way down with no spacers under the stem. I ride a 120mm flat stem. It’s been my experience over 20 years of bike fitting that most people ride bikes that are too small for them. They ride stems that are far too short as well. Then the suck at descending or have compromised bike handling. I will ride a Large Outback. The reach is almost identical to my Road Logic Stack and reach Ritchey Road Logic 568 and 395 Ritchey Outback 587 and 390 My Bianchi XR4 541 and 390 Tell me what is quirky about the geometry? I’m not sure I understand.
That's an awesome bike! love the Half Moon Bay paint scheme, it matches the cloudy grayish sky and blue ocean...one of my favorite spots! George, maybe you know the bike, it's a Ritchey Ti front triangle/carbon seat stays road bike, would you happen to know what that model is? I've only seen one ever on the road, very similar in look and geometry to my Serotta
Funny you should ask about that bike. I saw one on eBay in my size titanium breakaway beautiful bike problem was it had shitty components on it. I didn’t want to pay a full bike price when I was going strip every thing off and throw it away
Not yet! The main goal this year is preparing for Paris Brest Paris PBP. - 1200 km 750 mile unsupported race. The race is coming up August 20-24, 2023 I’m a true roadie who does little to no dirt. I was doing gravel racing 15 plus years ago before it was cool. I world hit the notifications bell so you know when I’ve posted a video that I built it up. Thanks for watching!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks so much for the reply. Good luck with your big adventure coming up, looking forward to seeing you post about that. If the Outback doesn’t end up seeing much dirt I reckon it would make a superb road tourer. All the best to you!
Great looking frame George..should be an excellent bike to ride. Did you know about the Colombian brand SCARAB ? Steel bike roads, but mainly gravel ones
I hope you dig it George. I also own a Swiss Cross Canti (and previously owned the road logic). The 2020 outback is unique compared to those - I have it set up with 650b Shimano GRX which works beautifully. I would encourage you to try hydro brakes on it (and test 650b - it’s great fun). My wife isn’t much of a cyclist but her preferred bicycle out of my stable is the Outback due to it’s stability.
Hello Brandon! I have a set of new 700 HED wheels that are plug and play but I’ve been seriously thinking of trying a 650b wheel size for the fun factor!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Nice! Is it me or do HED wheels have a great balance of stiffness and compliance? I have a set of 700c HED Ardennes on my outback V1 that I love. I have the Shimano GRX 650B wheels that seem like pretty decent value - the thing I notice about 650B is oversteer with supple tires if you run the pressure low (running the Ultradynamico Cava).
@@brandonsouba for my weight and usage the HED Ardennes offer the appropriate stiffness and yet all day comfort. I got Spinergy across the street from me and they keep bugging me to buy something for the shop. Who knows I may get a 650b set from them. But I’d prefer HED or Ritchey wheels. The GX have a DT Swiss ratchet system, ease of maintenance and no tool hub removal which is cool for packing and traveling.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Had the same problem on a surly cross check so I changed to Vbrakes but ended up selling later. I’ve read somewhere that if the cable stop is located on the fork itself it should negate the cable pull and flex of the fork as if it was located on the head tube.
Everything you touched from steel to disc to one by is all agreed upon from were am sitting. Gravel demands comfort, and what better way than the best metal on earth. Steel. I can’t find any info on that special parts these model comes with? I recently seen one talk about it at Sea Otter but didn’t catch the brand name? I want to get My hands on those parts,,crank and cable hydro brake setup. I’m also building up a steel steed, has semi internal cable housing and newer head tube it’s under 2Kgs which is surprisingly good. Just need to find a decent carbon fork as the steel one is complex with 15 thru axle And ugly adapter brace welded on. Otherwise made by a master frame builder with insane workmanship, dare I say even better than your frame! 😜
Not yet! I have PBP coming up August 20th. Everything has been about that and only that as well as running my business. I’m also not a gravel guy so there isn’t any rush to get it done. Eventually …
Awesome video, cannot agree more, I owned the previous green color one, loved it in every way but climbing, the rear end its so long for it, but in flatter surfaces and downhill it's an awesome machine, I ended up changing it to a Swiss Cross. I also got a Logic and a MTB Ultra, love them all, that secret sauce it's kind of addictive, Cheers from Barcelona/Spain.
I never heard back from Bianchi and then I never heard from you until today. It was also during the holidays. I’m extremely busy Sean. Help me help you! There appears to have been a big shuffle at Bianchi. My rep has always sucked. It has always taken an enormous amount of effort to contact him and get ETA’s from him. Now let’s move forward are you complaining to complain or are you still interested in a Bianchi XR4?
I found your email from 18:46 pm on December 31 - New Year’s Eve “Hi, Just following up on a comment on your youtube. I was looking for an XR4 rim brake (direct mount) Ideally in the full celeste with the black headtube and fork accent as per the old Jumbo colorway. Size 55, 56, 57 or 59 would be fine and additionally I was hoping you could quote me for that and a celeste fork for XR4 direct mount in full celeste, no black. Thanks!” Honestly when I read your email I didn’t think it was a serious inquiry. I get whacky emails all the time and this was no exception. How could someone want a bike in any size? But I did pass it along to Bianchi anyway. So which size do you really want please?
@@seanreilly6618 Hello I finally heard back from Bianchi. They said they offer a fork in the grey fade and the Celeste (Bike Exchange) color way. I asked him for stock check so now I have to wait for them to get back to me.... again!
That’s a beautiful frame! Can’t wait to follow the build. I don’t ride off-road much anymore but I have been thinking about building up a Swiss Cross to go along with my Road Logic and my Carbon Breakaway. All great bikes! And happy to hear your gal is doing better. ❤
11/8 headset Yes, External routing Yes, Fantastic seat lug, Beautiful paint job. Looks Really Good.
Right on!
Really looking forward to your build video. Love my Ritchey!
Thanks for watching
Beautiful bike. I've wanted a Ritchey for awhile now...
And one day you will!
Love my outback in sunset fade. The straight steerer is phenomenal in its suppleness. One of the best riding bikes I've had. Sold my trek checkpoint 😊
Waiting for my road logic disc to be built. Looking forward to that too. Hard to get the rim brake version in Australia
Keep the great content flowing
Good luck with your Logic!!
Hey George, like I mentioned earlier, Tom Richie has always designed and built beautiful frames & components.
You presentation is right on ! You hit all the important points of the frame/fork construction, rim/tire combination as well as the included hardware....
Looking forward to your build-up of this very cool, steel frame .... Keep it simple !
Thank You for your feedback Tim!
Beautiful Frame! I just bought a new steel frame bike for road/gravel use. I was happy to hear you mentioned about the rear derailleur hanger, I bought a spare one for my bike. I had the option of internal or external cable routing. I went internal so it wouldn't get in the way of my bags. Now after watching this, I wish I hadn't.
Such a classy frame, color, and build. Agree with metal frames off tarmac for durability. External under downtube routing excellent for tarmac for less fuss, not the best with off CX/gravel/mtb bikes due gunk build up zone on the cables. Old CX canti/v-brake race frame as the routing on top of the top tube. Ride the dirt bike when the weather turns bad or rougher roads on tarmac. Then keep the road bike clean for most of the days. One reason I go with CX/gravel bikes for that reason for general use. Thoes mega long dirt rides sounds like fun. Tough call looking over the ritchey 50th ani. frame due to a limited run which makes it a special frame from a well known quality frame maker to get another which is more common with less quality.
Wow beautiful George be great to see your build vid of this frame 👍👍🤩🏅🚴❤️🔥
Thank You Pete!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad just picked up a CAAD 2014 to build 🤩 would you recommend the HED Jet black wheels ? Any recommendations on a nice 100mm stem and 38mm handlebar ? Thinking maybe Zipp or Deda
Just a heads up, I litterally just dropped my 50th anniversary Outback off at RideWrap in Whistler so they can 3D scan and make a tailored wrap kit that will cover 95% of the frame. If this is Medium, then there will be a kit available for you shortly
Love my Ritchey! Have an older Road Logic I will be riding all next week on vacation.
Enjoy your vacay!
I have a Logic that is 1X and disc. We don't see eye to eye on a few things but I always like to hear some retro-grouch wisdom! Love your channel.
Thank You kyqx!
Great episode. I have an Outback in Guac Y Crema . 1 x. I love the bike so much. This current color is excellent. I can't wait to see the build.
Nice! Congrats on your Ritchey! Thanks for watching
Thanks for sharing. Frame looks great and look forward to seeing it build up! Being able to put 650's on adds to the versatility.
Yes sir! It will be the first bike I’ve ridden with 650b wheels
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Sweet!
beautiful. I totally agree with your approach and views.
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Total Ritchey fan! I have both the outback and the road logic.
I see your Road Logic and your Outback and I raise you one Swiss Cross 😊 I need to profile the Swiss Cross.
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Yes, I've never understood what sets the Swiss Cross apart from other bikes. Would be interesting to see...
Beautiful frame. N+1 still holds true. Ride on
I know! I just can’t help myself! 😂
I'm excited for you and excited to see your build on the frame. I've been eyeing that Ritchey Outback since it came out and once they dropped the anniversary edition, I was wow'd by the paint job! I will pull the trigger this wee! On another note, I've worked in the bike industry for 15+ years and want to tell you I agree with you, I now want a steel frame bike. Carbon bikes are great but sometimes it just seems like it "the industry" is designed to SELL you a newer version of something thatis perfectly made. After 15+ years i;ve come to the conclusion, there's nothing like a well designed steel frame.
It always comes back around doesn’t it? Once people are done chasing the latest and greatest they will realize they always had it… It was their steel bike!
Hey George
Beautiful colors on the new Bike. I just finished a custom build from a boutique company called twin six. They build a twin six rando titanium bike. Zipp ergo handle bars and zipp stem both aluminum. Zipp aluminum seat post with a wtb saddle. Wheels are HED emporia wrapped in vittoria 35mm tires. SRAM rival two bi etap electric groupset. All cables are ran externally. Round tube frame like the ritchey
Hello Salvador! Sounds like a sweet build. I never got a chance to thank you for your super thank you. thank you for supporting the channel. It was an extremely busy time when Jess got hit by a truck and I was in the hospital with her.
I haven't ridden the Outback, I just built a Ritchey Swiss Cross disc and I can confirm the secret sauce is finger licking good, it's incredibly comfortable with carbon rims with 700x38c Panaracer SK. So good to be back on steel. The build was so easy with external cables and I can't even notice them when I'm riding. Total build weight for 1x was 9.44kg riding weight and you can't feel the weight at all, it's a blast to ride and I've been PR so many dirt segments and even a road KOM segment.
Awesome Warren!! Congrats on your Swiss Cross!!
That’s a real beauty! I was lucky enough to snag one of the 50th anniversary Road Logics. I owe you some pics George. Such a sweet bike!
Send them and I’ll post them to the channel!
Congrats on the 50th Road Logic!
Agree with everything you said about the Outback! My recommendation based on my Outback Breakaway: 140 mm Hope rotors, Klampers, Zeta GX 650b with 2.1 tires. I am 195 lbs and did the Alto de letras carrying 10 lbs, NO issues with 140 mm brakes! Best Bike in my collection!
I can’t wait to build it!! Alto!!
I have a 2015 QR Disc Swiss Cross. It's a great bike.
Regarding included components with framesets. I recent bought a Trek Domane RSL frameset and thought it was weird that it didn't include a compression/expander plug or headset top cap. It also didn't come with steerer spacers for the optional integrated cable routing stem, though it did come with the headset cover... It did not come with the proprietary seatpost, but presumably that's because there are two setback options and two length options to choose from.
I like the fact you mentioned riding offroad you prefer steel funny because I just watched a video today for the new ENVE gravel bike the MOG. It's a carbon bike obviously being an ENVE product, but still made in China. You should watch that video presentation if you want a good laugh because that guy talking at the presentation had to be top of the class in collage when it came to BS. I couldn't resist and had to troll the video. But I am with you because I learned my lesson from my mountainbike days when I bought a Scott Spark carbon and just a couple of months of using it I fell and the chainstay hit up against a rock and cracked the chainstay. It was so easily broken I couldn't believe it. I would never buy a carbon bike for offroad use. I like your new bike. Interested in that wrap you mentioned.
Carbon for MTB can be costly mistake. And people think nothing of riding carbon wheels on their MTB! I’ll look for that wrap tomorrow.
That is such a cool frame colour wow :) I have a sunset fade Outback. You may want to think about swapping out the stock compression plug that comes with the Frameset:
School me! What’s up?
Sweet color - perhaps just a splash of bright red somewhere to set it off. Love how they thought of everything to make it last and keep it simple, like you don't even need to spray the inside of the frame. Great support - just email and someone knowledgeable writes back. Just got a brand new 1" Ritchey fork and WCS headset to update a late 90s Lemond 853 to threadless. They still make them - so someone in the know understands what that's all about. I've broken 2 11s Ultegra chains in the past year. The sideplate just pulled off the pin both times climbing a steep. The chains were mid-life but not worn. It makes me think 11s is where durability issues start going convex. I have 1X11s on a MTB and have never been happy with it - sounds like hell. Going back to 9/10 and 3X if needing range. 2X the durability for 1/2 the price - or something like that.
That’s interesting what you mentioned about your 11 speed chains. I do a lot of steep climbing here. We have a lot of 15 to 20% grade and then some in this area and I’ve never had a chain fail on me. If you follow me on Strava you’ll see I do, lots of rides with 50-60 miles with 10,000 ft all on stupid steep hills.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad As these parts keep getting narrower, something has to give eventually. So far, I've had 2 chain fails and at least one cog fail (bent teeth on missed shift under load) - all on 11s. I think I'm roughly half your mileage, elevation and time per year. IDK if it makes a difference but I'm 40-60 rpm a lot on the steeps (high chain tension) and still on lube (will try wax when supply runs out). PS - idea for your Outback - dropper post!
@@rodjonsson813 dropper post eh? lol
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yeah sure. they're getting lighter and cheaper. i've only used on mtb but will try soon on a road frame. descending stuff aside, i've found it helps a lot to be lower than normal road position when climbing steep and loose stuff. modulation is key for underbiking.
@@rodjonsson813 hmm that’s interesting about you wanting to be lower while climbing steep stuff. I don’t know that I would want to shorten my leg travel on a steep grade. I slide forward up to the nose of the saddle to keep the front wheel on the ground but other than that I wouldn’t think a dropper post would help as it’s limiting leg extension in your pedal stroke
Can’t wait to see this built up. It’s between this and a Gunnar hyper x or Fairlight secan. All use good steel and are tig welded but man that ritchey limited sure is nice!
Hello Ian! I don’t know much about Gunnar frames. But I think Fairlight makes a good frame. For me there was only one choice -- the Ritchey!
I have a 2x gravel bike. I use it for both road riding. I’ve seen some gravel bikes with full suspension and I am shaking my head because it’s a xc mtb with dropped down handlebar. I think Niner makes them. I’d love to get the Ritchey logic one of these days. It’s like having a classic car with modern tech components.
Great vid thanks man
Did you ever build it up and ride it?
@@mattgermon2945 not yet I’m focused on riding road for the summer. I am training for Paris Brest Paris - PBP 750 miles unsupported with 90 hour time limit - August 20-24
Love Ritchey have the road logic disc only xl frame available in europe bought it in Girona for a great price.
bought the niner steel insted Ritchey outback quacemole [green) its a one by 2by not available due covid last year will
switch to 2 by in future. no elecrics just kabels'
COVID lockdown screwed up so many things! What did you like about the Niner?
I bought a Marin Nicasio since weight doesn't really matter, and it came with headset and bottom bracket, and had 73.5 seat tube, 102 wheel base. Frame is made in Indonesia. Not a climber, but very very mechanic friendly frame.. Same headtube shape as the Ritchey.
Nice! Marin makes good stuff. That’s interesting it came with a bottom bracket because how would they know what Crankset you were going use. Is it a threaded Bb 68mm ? Is it steel?
Very nice looing frame! Gonna be fun to watch the build. Any idea on wheelset?
Was wondering if you were going to go with carbon wheels, stem and bars w/ carbon sestpost to try and offset sone of the frame weight. Or maybe it doesn’t really matter in a gravel bike.
I have a set a HED disc wheels. I’m probably going to put a road group on it. I have a bunch of carbon stuff laying around that I will probably use. I’m not trying to save weight on it. It’s irrelevant on a gravel and especially a steel gravel bike.
I totally agree about the steel ride quality of Ritchey tubing
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Just got mine (and didn’t even realize how lucky.. 650 units?!)!
Agree with all your points. I knew and admired Ritchey from growing up in the 90s on MTBs, but never really got the whole “not all progress is progress” ethos. So many years later I absolutely get it. A Swiss Cross Disc I built in 2017 forever changed the way I view what I need from a bike, and this beautiful blue Outback is just checking the last remaining boxes. Happy riding!
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad done, and thank you!
@@paulclark3216 Thank You Paul I appreciate your subscription
I've got a steel Ritchey tubed Scott Pro Racing mtb frame from the 90s with fillet brazed seat cluster weighs nearly 3lbs so it is really light. I made it into a monstercross gravel bike, 1x10, Microshift barend shifter, carbon fork and it is amazing on or offroad so comfortable too.
I would love to see pics! You can send them to my Instagram and I can post them on the channel
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I sent a picture of the bike on your Instagram. Man I love the frame
@@anthonyharris483 cool I’ll check it!
@@anthonyharris483 hmm I don’t see the pic of your bike on my IG “revcycling”
I just bought the Road Logic Special Edition yesterday hardly ridden. Less than 100 miles. Planning the build as I await its shipment
Congrats on a fantastic and versatile frame! Send me pictures to my Instagram account and I will post it on IG and/or CZcams.
I don't get the 1x thing either, if the bike is a hardtail. I am running Ultegra RX clutch RD with 52-34 front and 11-40XT (Shimano Specs 34T, but clears 40T in real world) cassette on my gravel bike with no issues, that gets me up all the technical climbs I need while retaining good top speed on road. The clutch is nice so that when you suddenly stop pedaling, you don't get a chain jerk due to angular momentum of the big cassette.
I have a GRX rear derailleur I could use on this build. I have XT Cassette as well I can’t remember the range. Hmm…
I know you said you don't like 1x and I agree but what is your opinion of the Classified gear hub? It's a smaller cassette so I wouldn't think it would feel so hokey. It is really expensive for the common consumer but some brands are adopting it.
Can't wait to see the finished product. What timeframe are you looking at to have it built?
I have all the stuff to build it now and I’m really excited to get it on the road/dirt. But I’m wondering if I should get some other stuff to build it with
Excellent and informative video! What size is your frame and how tall are you? I've had my eye on the Outback for a few years, but the sizing seems quirky. Going by my Road Logic sizing (53 cm), it seems like I'd fall between small and medium. Any thoughts on what size a 5'8" person should consider? Thanks!
DISCLAIMER: This is not a bike size recommendation. This is just my fitting data.
I ride a 55cm Road Logic. I’m 5’9” with a long inseam and a short torso. My saddle height with the crank arm down along the seat tube axis is 95 cm. My bars are all the way down with no spacers under the stem. I ride a 120mm flat stem.
It’s been my experience over 20 years of bike fitting that most people ride bikes that are too small for them. They ride stems that are far too short as well. Then the suck at descending or have compromised bike handling.
I will ride a Large Outback. The reach is almost identical to my Road Logic
Stack and reach
Ritchey Road Logic 568 and 395
Ritchey Outback 587 and 390
My Bianchi XR4 541 and 390
Tell me what is quirky about the geometry? I’m not sure I understand.
That's an awesome bike! love the Half Moon Bay paint scheme, it matches the cloudy grayish sky and blue ocean...one of my favorite spots!
George, maybe you know the bike, it's a Ritchey Ti front triangle/carbon seat stays road bike, would you happen to know what that model is? I've only seen one ever on the road, very similar in look and geometry to my Serotta
Funny you should ask about that bike. I saw one on eBay in my size titanium breakaway beautiful bike problem was it had shitty components on it. I didn’t want to pay a full bike price when I was going strip every thing off and throw it away
Great looking frame but very long chain stay at 453mm, don't think I've ever seen this type of frame with anything more than about 435mm.
I purposely didn’t talk about it because it’s a non issue.
Sweeeeeeeet ride! Jealous over here.,
Thank You Chris!
Hey George! Did you ever get this beautiful bike built up? Excited to see it.
Not yet! The main goal this year is preparing for Paris Brest Paris PBP. - 1200 km 750 mile unsupported race. The race is coming up August 20-24, 2023 I’m a true roadie who does little to no dirt. I was doing gravel racing 15 plus years ago before it was cool.
I world hit the notifications bell so you know when I’ve posted a video that I built it up.
Thanks for watching!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks so much for the reply. Good luck with your big adventure coming up, looking forward to seeing you post about that. If the Outback doesn’t end up seeing much dirt I reckon it would make a superb road tourer. All the best to you!
Freakin Beauty 🙂
it is! Thanks for watching Nick!
Great looking frame George..should be an excellent bike to ride.
Did you know about the Colombian brand SCARAB ? Steel bike roads, but mainly gravel ones
I’ve heard of them but never looked into them. Are they actually made in Colombia 🇨🇴? GW Bicycles aren’t 😢
Based on the webpage, they’re made outside of Medellin (Rionegro), I think..
Yeah GW in China I guess
@@luisacc5960 can they weld a good bike? 😂 might be worth checking it out. I want to promote Colombian business!
I hope you dig it George. I also own a Swiss Cross Canti (and previously owned the road logic). The 2020 outback is unique compared to those - I have it set up with 650b Shimano GRX which works beautifully. I would encourage you to try hydro brakes on it (and test 650b - it’s great fun). My wife isn’t much of a cyclist but her preferred bicycle out of my stable is the Outback due to it’s stability.
Hello Brandon! I have a set of new 700 HED wheels that are plug and play but I’ve been seriously thinking of trying a 650b wheel size for the fun factor!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Nice! Is it me or do HED wheels have a great balance of stiffness and compliance? I have a set of 700c HED Ardennes on my outback V1 that I love. I have the Shimano GRX 650B wheels that seem like pretty decent value - the thing I notice about 650B is oversteer with supple tires if you run the pressure low (running the Ultradynamico Cava).
@@brandonsouba is there a typo in your first couple of sentences?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Fixed, apologies!
@@brandonsouba for my weight and usage the HED Ardennes offer the appropriate stiffness and yet all day comfort. I got Spinergy across the street from me and they keep bugging me to buy something for the shop. Who knows I may get a 650b set from them. But I’d prefer HED or Ritchey wheels. The GX have a DT Swiss ratchet system, ease of maintenance and no tool hub removal which is cool for packing and traveling.
Question about the Swiss canti do you get fork jitter when braking? Thanks
Yes I do! I don’t ride it much because of that. Any suggestions?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Had the same problem on a surly cross check so I changed to Vbrakes but ended up selling later. I’ve read somewhere that if the cable stop is located on the fork itself it should negate the cable pull and flex of the fork as if it was located on the head tube.
Thinking of getting rid of my cosmic stallion for a Swiss cross canti for a deal but I’ll probably just get a V2 disc frameset
@@Massproduce201 Thank You
Everything you touched from steel to disc to one by is all agreed upon from were am sitting. Gravel demands comfort, and what better way than the best metal on earth. Steel. I can’t find any info on that special parts these model comes with? I recently seen one talk about it at Sea Otter but didn’t catch the brand name? I want to get
My hands on those parts,,crank and cable hydro brake setup. I’m also building up a steel steed, has semi internal cable housing and newer head tube it’s under 2Kgs which is surprisingly good. Just need to find a decent carbon fork as the steel one is complex with 15 thru axle
And ugly adapter brace welded on. Otherwise made by a master frame builder with insane workmanship, dare I say even better than your frame! 😜
Good luck in your build.
FYI I did a video on converting 15mm to 12mm
Here you go
How to convert a 15 mm thru- axle fork to 12 mm thru-axle fork 
czcams.com/video/czqMi6VObyQ/video.html
Hai avuto modo di provare questa bici anche sulle lunghe salite? Come va? Ciao dall'Italia
I have no clue what you said
Did you end up building this up?
Not yet! I have PBP coming up August 20th. Everything has been about that and only that as well as running my business. I’m also not a gravel guy so there isn’t any rush to get it done. Eventually …
And how’s the patient ??
Slowly recovering ❤️🩹
George, you wander.
What’s your point?
Awesome video, cannot agree more, I owned the previous green color one, loved it in every way but climbing, the rear end its so long for it, but in flatter surfaces and downhill it's an awesome machine, I ended up changing it to a Swiss Cross. I also got a Logic and a MTB Ultra, love them all, that secret sauce it's kind of addictive, Cheers from Barcelona/Spain.
So man, how does it ride?
Hello Jack I still need to build it. Soon I’ll have a ride report
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad The suspense builds.
@@JackDaslippah ha ha nicely done!
This is indeed quite a nice universal frame.
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you never emailed me back for a quote for an xr4 rim fork
I never heard back from Bianchi and then I never heard from you until today. It was also during the holidays. I’m extremely busy Sean. Help me help you! There appears to have been a big shuffle at Bianchi. My rep has always sucked. It has always taken an enormous amount of effort to contact him and get ETA’s from him.
Now let’s move forward are you complaining to complain or are you still interested in a Bianchi XR4?
I found your email from 18:46 pm on December 31 - New Year’s Eve
“Hi,
Just following up on a comment on your youtube.
I was looking for an XR4 rim brake (direct mount) Ideally in the full celeste with the black headtube and fork accent as per the old Jumbo colorway. Size 55, 56, 57 or 59 would be fine and additionally I was hoping you could quote me for that and a celeste fork for XR4 direct mount in full celeste, no black. Thanks!”
Honestly when I read your email I didn’t think it was a serious inquiry. I get whacky emails all the time and this was no exception. How could someone want a bike in any size? But I did pass it along to Bianchi anyway.
So which size do you really want please?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm looking for a quote for a fork, happy to hear from you man I previously thought it was impossible to get rim brake stuff still .
@@seanreilly6618 Man I don't know why I can't get anything back from Bianchi today is 3.8.23 and they are not responding to me!!! I'll keep trying!
@@seanreilly6618 Hello I finally heard back from Bianchi. They said they offer a fork in the grey fade and the Celeste (Bike Exchange) color way. I asked him for stock check so now I have to wait for them to get back to me.... again!