Hi George, I agree completely with you regarding the Ritchey Logic being a go everywhere bike. Mine was riding gravel before all my local friends bought the latest gravel bikes. It is a true road bike that you can comfortably ride 30km on seal and then time on gravel before pushing the big gears 30km home again. Unfortunately my health has stopped me riding for a few months, bloody brain tumor but that is fixed and here I NZ the summer is about to start so I'll get the 61 year old body fit again and enjoy riding the logic. Thanks for the video. Regards Bill from NZ.
Thank you for watching from New Zealand! Sorry to hear about your brain tumor. Oh geez! I hope everything turns out all right and you can hit the streets by summer. Funny story a couple of years ago I show up to a gravel ride in the mountains of East San Diego on my Ritchey with 28 Continental 5000 tubeless tires. Everyone else is on gravel bikes, disc brakes, 1X, fat tires etc ... I rock up with my "old skool" bike. Later the one guy says "when you pulled up on that bike I was like yeah that guy knows how to ride" Underbiking is fun 😁 Being able to add a little bit larger tire on this version of Road Logic should open the possibility for a wider (get it lol) variety of tires. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Have both the regular and breakaway versions. These are a serious steal (lol) for the price - 40 yrs of refinement, asymmetric triple butting, lugless, tubes inside are coated for rust, integrated headset cups forged into head tube, tire clearance to 32c. They work best for me around 25c-28c. 30c is a bit sluggish on pavement but perfect on dirt. This having been said, I'd prefer all of the above with 1" steerer, horizontal top tube and braze-on for downtube shifters - on such bikes, I'm still using 23c and they're great. More to it than ride quality, I'm climbing better when I can bend the bike. ps. there's no front hanger because the tube is super thin there.
u bet george. ime, don't need the big tires, ultra thin stays and long exposed posts if the bike bends enough where it supposed to. why ritcheys won't ever go away from small head and steerer tubes. everyone else will have figure this out again, eventually.@@SeeYouUpTheRoad
I just ordered a 55cm frameset. I had a 1999 Bianchi Pinella Boron steel frame and loved it...but crashed hard in a race and the frame was a mess. I ordered the ti version as a replacement and raced that for 11 years...then raced a Spooky Skeletor aluminum frame for 13 years. At 52 years old comfort is now king. Also, some kid just got a bronze medal at Criterium nationals on this frame so you can't say she doesn't get up and go. I raced MTB's in the early 90's and Ritchey stuff was always good. It is hard to put into words the feel of a very good steel frame.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm subscribed...also I forgot to mention this years color...is the same as my first real road bike...a Lotus Unique from 1985...got me feeling nostalgic. Great channel...great info from a mechanic who also does mad miles...couldn't ask for a stronger steel advocate
Beautiful colourway, can't wait to see one built up. Never owned a Ritchey but did have a steel Genesis Singlespeed in a very similar colour. That colour will really pop out. Love the channel and the organised chaos of your workshop. I bought an SQLabs saddle based on your recommendation - very impressed.
Thank you Univega Super Sport! It's been a minute since you have chimed in. I hope all is well. Yes most people think that these new bigger and stiffer headset standards are an advancement in tech when in fact it is ruining the ride quality of bikes for 99% of the people who actually ride them for pleasure and not at a grand tour.
Hi, I definitely agree with everything you say in the video. As I get older, I prefer comfort on a bike, and steel frames definitely deliver that. I have the same frame on order and I'm really looking forward to it. I'm going to build a Campagnolo Super Record mechanical kit on it and it will be super! Thanks for the video that convinced me to make a good choice!
Sounds like a fun build! I need to update the brakes on my Swiss Cross Canti. I don't like them so I don't ride that bike much. After riding the MiniMotos on a recent build for another customer I am thinking of buying those for my SwissCross thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Looks awesome George.. 😊 congrats on the new new frame and fork..😃 great that the logos are almost a pink like your REV logo.. I’m also a steel, rim brake, tube, mechanical fan love mine ❤ look forward to seeing your build and first rides etc 😃😃🚴🏻🥇 just bought a Gilles Berthoud Galliber saddle to test.. Pete
Nice new color! Sure it looks even better under the sun. 😀Spring effect is really pleasant and easy to get when you step on the pedals with this frame.
I ride a Road Logic and a Steel Some gravel bike. I recently got a good deal on a Trek Checkpoint with all the fancy stuff. I rode it almost a year then crashed it and needed to ride my Soma. Steel is where it's at. I haven't even test ridden the Trek since I got it back from the shop. I'm going to sell it any buy and Outback frameset. Great videos. Keep it up!
Point taken George, theres always going to be a failure of some sort, Ive never seen one or heard of one on the fr. der. You see more repairs than I do. I just love a clean look without abuse on the paint. Enjoy!
Hey George I really enjoyed the video. In the 80s I had a Trek 700 series Reynolds 531c steel bike. Today I’m riding an early 2000s Trek 5200 Carbon. I’m thinking about going back to steel!
Hello Bill, thanks for watching! I think you will thoroughly enjoy being on a modern steel bike. Let me know what you end up on and keep in mind I sell steel frames through my store.
Hello Ray. Please expound on why you would like a front derailleur hanger on the Road Logic. I like having the flexibility of moving the clamp/derailleur wherever I choose to put it depending on chainrings. But I would like to hear your opinion
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I see your point, but for me the hanger is a cleaner look and it gives me plenty of adjustment for a 52 or 53 combo with either a 42 or 39. I can play with that changing the cassette.
@@raycox3088 from my perspective I see another point of failure. I have seen damaged FD hangers in the shop. I have also seen where customers want to install certain chainring combinations and the hanger doesn't accommodate them. No hanger allows future-proofing for your frame who knows what chainring or drivetrain modification might come out in 5 years or 10 Clamp on front derailleurs are mechanical stronger hence will over better front derailleur shifting. In fact, when installing Shimano front derailleurs they have a tiny set screw that you have to set against the frame to give the derailleur more stiffness. You have to put this tiny piece of metal on your frame and screw the set screw into it. If you have a band clamp Shimano tells you that step is not necessary since it is a stiffer platform.
I ride the ritchey outback v1...fantastic do it all bike!...carbon wheels, mix of ultegra/105 and ritchey finishing bits...recently replaced the top tube cuz damaged so the new paint job too (didn't like the original dark blue anyways)...got a custom steel rim brake road bike too...both just a dream ride...love your bikes folks!!
Sweet breakdown George. I subscribed. I’m getting older for sure LOL! I have a steel Ghost Grappler for bike packing. Cool that you remember your mom in that way. I lost my mom in 2021, liver cancer. Ride on bro!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thank you George. It’s been hard especially for my dad. They were married 60 years. I reflect on great memories and keep her close to my heart.
I still ride my Peugeot PX10, with a modern groupset. a 1/2 million Km on it, carry my groceries on it as well ride 50 Km a day. I ride with an over 60 group, can drop anybody on the group whenever I want to, they all have carbon or aluminium frames. I just do not need to be any faster. For me the old school stell forks are the bomb for comfort.
I have been riding Surly steel bike and never been so happy everytime i ride. Also a local in San Diego as well. I remember you sir from Nytro bike shop.
Hello Ryan wow I loved working at Nytro. I worked there from 2004-2009. It was such a high end shop and I learned so much there. I was a huge weight weenie with all my equipment back then. Now I ride steel bikes alloy wheels and just plain reliable long lasting durable components. Thanks to brands like Surly for keeping the flame alive on steel bikes relevancy. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad It's just nice to see people riding utility bike like Surly, Allcity, Ritchey nowadays and by the way I was a weight weenie back in a day as well. Also, I am a subscriber on your channel and hopefully I could visit your shop someday to see some cool stuff and meet you again in person. good luck and keep it up! cheers!
I like being the only guy on a Ti or steel frame… it reinforces the belief I have that I’m better and smarter than everyone else. 😂 I’m joking!😜 No I’m not. 😏
I love the color. If I didn't just get the blue 50th Anniversary frame, I'd snap one of these up in a flash. On the 50th Anniversary frame, the claimed tire clearance was 30 mm, but there's no way one would fit on mine. The brake bridge is placed so low on the seatstays that the brake shoes are in the top of the caliper slots. I'm wondering why Ritchey didn't design it so the brake bridge was placed higher, so the brake shoes could be at the bottom of the slots. In any case, I'm riding 28 mm and just happy as a clam with the frame and ride quality, so no real complaints.
That’s interesting! What brake calipers are you running? Dura-Ace 9100 and 9200 have proper placement for a 30mm on my older Road Logic. I rode 30mm at PBP with proper placement of the brake pads on the rim.
Agree with stiffness and comfort on frames factors. My single speed/retro bike is a cannondale 2008 CX 9 canti brakes (may go V brakes) and stiff as hell that just puts the power down for an alloy CX race frame. Excellent for the hour plus warmup/cooldown but that it is it for riding. Was an older 2x10 build for some years way back to replace a redline cx frame that given to me that was to small. After some years of hurting on longer rides had to get to another frame anyways for pit bike. But new frame became my A bike till pandemic due to the comfort for general use, not just race.
I’m anti - disc so I know very little about the Ritchey disc bikes. Although I did a Frankenbike experiment on my channel with a mixed Dura-Ace 11 and 105 12 speed mechanical disc on one of my carbon bikes. It was a proof of concept video to see if I could use it on a Ritchey Disc. My guess is 32’s will fit but they are conservative and want to leave clearance for dirt and mud. But don’t take my word for it. I have no personal experience with the disc brake version. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
I think all Ritchey frames have E.D coating ( electrophoretic deposition ) inside the tubes. Kinda like powder coating but a liquid instead of powder. Because it is liquid it coats the entire interior of the frame I guess the outside also. Should be a permanent shield against rust. My Ritchey outback is treated with ed. One problem I had when building mine up wa sthe seat post would slip so I used some carbon anti slip stuff, solved the problem. the ED coating is slick.
Yes on the ED treatment. You can torque the seat tube clamp a lot. Unless you are a very heavy rider riding on dirt roads with hard hits your seat post shouldn't slip. But if you used carbon paste it helps not have to use that much torque. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Great video! To my understanding all newer Ritchey frames have frame saver applied at the factory. Love your points about weight and stiffness and how comfort is paramount when you aren’t a pro.
All Ritchey frames are treated with electrophoretic disposition where the frame is essentially dipped so it's coated inside and out to provide rust prevention. However, using Frame Saver as well is a good secondary treatment.
Hi George from Scotland, just built up a lovely Swiss Cross with the cut out brake mount, to replace my 2004 custom 853, latter was 25mm max tyre so using 32mm (both bikes Conti 5000 / latex tubes) similar weight alloy wheels (Hunt aero v old Campag Shamals), feels great, nothing scientific done to compare performance and no plans to 😁 ps shop said frame pretreated for rust and i notice low torque spec for braze on clamp as maybe tube thinner here? Might get new carbon Shamals next year with 38-40mm for gravel, other kit is Ritchey stem, Hope bb and carbon seat post, GRX 46-30, TRP mech discs to work with my old SRAM etap red gears and shifters, 11-30, i have no issues mixing brands 😅
Hello John, thank you for the heads up on the lower torque setting on the seat tube and the pre-treated prep work at the factory. Ha Ha see you have no issues with picking the best component for the job 😃
Great video about the new Ritchey Road Logic for rim brakes. According to you, is it possible to put a triple crankset on this frame ? For example a Stronglight 48x38x28. Thanks from Britanny in France.
Probably it's been commented already, but the seat tube isn't tapered for tire clearance. It's ovalized sideways for bottom bracket stifness. It's the same tube all the way, just ovalized at the bottom. So that it's stiffer against pedaling force.
Hi George, your videos have convinced me to make a Ritchey my next do-it-all bike. I have a question. I got the opportunity to buy a previous generation frame from 2017 built up with full Ultegra and Hope RS4 wheels for 1250 EUR which I consider a great deal. I am really sold on the new frame though with the interesting colorway and the bigger tyre clearance. Having ridden it now would you suggest it's an upgrade worth spending quite some money on over your old frame? Also what are the rim brakes you would recommend as the standard Shimanos incldued in all the groupsets tend to ma out at 30mm clearance. Thanks, and love your vids, keep it going. P
Hi everyone, i have posted here my experience with Ritchey Logic road but worth repeating because George is such a big fan and extremely bias . I am speaking from experience , because of this channel i purchased a Ritchey L 50th anniversary, Ultegra 11S. Hunt wide aero alloy , Ritchey bar , stem and seatpost. Continental gp5k. 28x700. Total weight 8.2kg. Very happy with the weigh, the build quality is supreme but the performance is not there. I wanted to like the bike so so bad but was disappointed, ride quality is there, climbs really well, supper stable but has no appetite for high speeds, up to 22mph average rides, upper tempo will keep up but if wanna go faster one must put down serious and consistent power, i am open to discuss this with any one who had better luck or different opinion , i have a Waterford Precession 2200 lugged frame with steel fork and is a faster bike, quicker everywhere and a lot flexier that the RL , not gonna compare with carbon bikes because there is no comparison but will compare with Caad 12. Rim , the Caad 12 runs circle around Ritchey or any other steel bike don't care who makes it, i am sorry but have to say as i have experienced it. Welcome your thoughts
I recommend Ritchey Logic to anyone who is interested in a steel, high quality frame, reasonable price and long lasting, will be rewarded with a quality ride, can do everything other frame can but can't hold its speed or going fast. I had to average at least 50w more to maintain same speed when on the Ritchey, same position, similar builds etc.
I ride a Gunnar Roadie and had a Ritchey SwissCross Canti. I loved the tube profiles on the Ritchey, but the geometry wasn't great for me as I need a steep seat tube as my torso is short. I don't ride to keep up with the fast guys anymore, not because I can't, more because it's just not what motivates me to ride. I totally agree that carbon and aluminum more often than not will perform better and help you go faster with less energy. If that's your thing, then steel isn't for you. You mention having a Waterford - what's the geometry differences between that and the Ritchey? Perhaps you aren't able to produce as much power on the Ritchey?
@@SurpriseMeJT Waterford is a size 51. Very close geometry to the Ritchey, shorter tt and lower front. Is not the power i can or can't generate on the Ritchey but how lethargic the Ritchey feels compare with the others, i need to put down more watts to go as fast, in other words Ritchey makes me work a lot harder to get same results , i also own a Lemond Poprad i have converted to gravel( Ritchey carbon gravel fork). Clamped the stays to tale 40mm tires. I have a blast riding that bike, most fun !!! So i know steel , i have been fortunate to ride high quality steel frames and i am handy enough i switch components to make them similar when test, "there is nothing wrong with silver " when comes t Ritchey, very good but not the superlatives receives here. IMHo
Thanks for sharing your experience. I find no difference riding my Ritchey Road Logic or my Bianchi XR4, what I would consider the other end of the technology spectrum, in local group rides. On the flats the paceline is 26-30 mph (45-50 kph) depending who shows up, on the 6-9% 2-5 min climbs power is 3.5-6 w/kg no discernible difference in power outputs I can be dropped on either bike or do the dropping on either bike. I have several steel bikes and several carbon bikes. The Ritchey doesn’t slow me down at all. In fact, there are plenty of PR’s on the Road Logic on uphill segments that I’ve ridden for years and years considering all the bikes I’ve owned. That’s been my experience.
Awesome piece of art, is the pinky decals intended to be that color? or the white it's a bit transparent? about the treatment of the frame, as long as I know, the black ID treatment do the job, so no need to add any product inside. Cheers from Barcelona/Spain.
They are pink. Ritchey says the ED treatment is good enough but they don’t discourage the use of frame saver. Thanks for watching from one of my favorite cities, Barcelona 🇪🇸
Brave choice of colors, I dig it, but might alienate some riders not into pink or burgundy. But that new price, oof! Worth it, but glad I got mine when I did. But with Waterford/Gunnar and All-City shutting down , Ritchey is pretty well positioned in this segment. I hope Soma brings back the rim brake Smoothie for people who don't want to spend $1600. I don't think there is much excitement for the disc brake version of that bike.
Hi George, great unboxing and review video! Highly appreciated, by a steel frame fan 😊. Could you give some additional sizing advice please? Which sizes are you and Jess riding with which size/inseam? I am 177 with 83,7 inseam and wondering whether 53 or 55 will be a better fit. Ritchey's table puts me (173-180) onto a 55 frame which has an even larger reach than my surly midnight special in 54. I am afraid to be too stretched out and/or only be able to run a suuper short stem 🤔
Hello and thanks for watching! Please consider subscribing. Jess and I ride 55cm frames. I don’t give sizing or fitting advice on this channel. As a bike fitter over 20 years it amazes me how many people ride too small of a bike. Cheers!
@@begott83you’re taller than me. People who ride too small of a frame have their head over the handlebars and the weight distribution is all jacked up and they absolutely suck at descending technical switchback mountains .
Hi George..you’ve mentioned the use of RL as a gravel bike..would be the frame/fork able to handle gravel (not extreme terrain), and if so, what kind/size of tires will be preferable?
It's a steel frame go wherever you want with it. You can easily fit 30's in the RL go have fun with it!! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Cannondale always does weird stuff all the time but then they come back to standard dimensions 27.2 mm for seat posts and threaded bottom brackets instead of their BB30 which was a debacle. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video it was just what I needed. In the near future I will be wanting a lightweight steel,do it all bike with 32mm tires and rim brakes. If you see his comment george, can you confirm the ability to use 32mm tires. If I need a different fork I would be willing to do that.
Hello Fred it will always depend on rim and tire combination. I was able to fit 30’s with 21mm internal and 25mm external rim no issue on the old grey frame. I could barely fit 32’s - rear was good but the fork was too tight for comfort. I can’t guarantee but the red frame should fit a 32.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks for the reply. I think I'll just go for a richey swiss cross. I will need to find a used one as I do not want disk brakes. Currently, I have a 2011 felt f15x with a v-brake conversion. I'm not fond of cantilever brakes .
As an ex racer my road bikes never go above 25mm don’t ride gravel hate it. I did all my racing on Reynolds steel frames mostly Dutch Gazelle. towards the end of my racing I was using Alan aluminium frames especially in cyclocross
Thanks for a great unboxing. I have been interested for a long time in This bike. Having ridden everything the last 35+ years I want my next bike to be steel or titanium. I started on steel decades ago & these last 6 years been on Aluminum. While considering steel I think this Ritchey will be most like what I remember. While the newer Spirt steel type bikes strike me almost to be more like thin wall aluminum with its big tubes etc. I am thinking this Ritchey with its normal sized tubes will be lively like I remember steel to be in the SL days. Is this correct in your opinion? Thanks again!
Thin walled oversized tubes will appeal to bike racers but not for people who just love riding our bikes. The Ritchey Road Logic is a phenomenal frame at any price. If I can provide you the frame or build let me know.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks George that is what I was thinking + with the thin wall likely being harsher riding yet easier to dent should the bike fall over or worse. PS: will email you about possible frame purchase. Thanks!
You won’t regret getting a Ritchey. Seriously? I mean you don’t really think you would regret getting a Ritchey do you? It’s one of the best bikes I’ve ever ridden blows away all those carbon “lighter stiffer” crap 😂
Hi George, your vids convinced me to make a Ritchey Road logic my next do-it-all road bike. I have the opportunity to pick up the previous frame with Ultegra and Hope RS4 wheels from 2018 for around 1200 EUR which I consider a good deal. But I am really sold on the bigger tyre clearance and the new color way. Having ridden the bike now, would you suggest the new frame is worth investing more money in? Also, what rim brakes do you recommend that could accommodate those 32-34 mm tyres and have good braking? Keep the good work going, cheers, Philipp
Hello Phillipp- the frames ride the same. I don’t know anything about Hope wheels. I don’t know if 1200 euro is a good price for you. Depending what things retail where you live it could be. I use Shimano Dura-Ace it fits 30-32mm Continental 5000 STR with a 25mm external rim. I have no idea about 34mm
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks for the reply that"s valuable info for me. I will order the new frame and build it up soon. I was thinking about using Tektro R369 brakes if there is enough space in the frame to clear 34 mm tyres or just the normal ultegras if 32mm is really the limit. I will see. Thanks!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad you mentioned in your vid that 32s would fit in the rear of the 28 mm rated frame. So I figured the 34s might fit in the 30 mm frame? No issues if not, 32 should be plenty comfortable for light gravel even. Thanks.
Ha ha looks like you want to push it to the absolute limit lol! road conditions in the dry we can try to put a 34 mm tires in the frame. However, dirt trail and wet conditions, where a 34 mm tire would be preferred over a 32 mm tire, I would exercise caution. I think Ritchey is trying to keep people from putting in total max volume tires in their frames. I wouldn’t want to risk frame paint damage from the tire and dirt paste rubbing the chain stays or the fork. 😮😮
Hi George, great video. I'm also a rim brake fan. Can you tell me what rim brakes are you planning to use? I use Dura ace 7900 brakes, which clears 32mm tires, and I have another bike which I use mid-reach brakes ( Shimano BR-R650) which clears 35mm tires. Thanks
Hello I will be using Dura-Ace R9200 brakes on Jessica’s bike. I was thinking maybe I would put on some eeBrakes on mine just for fun. I have them on my Bianchi XR4 and they are incredible! Easy to adjust as well. Thanks for watching. Please consider subscribing.
Hello Marco I’ve discussed this on multiple videos. Horses for courses - they are two dramatically different bikes. You can’t or shouldn’t really compare them to each other. The Tecno has a smooth ride and a 1” steel fork that tracks amazing on technical descents especially on bumpy roads (plenty of downhill PR’s on it) but it’s slow to accelerate and sprint and it’s heavy AF when loaded for a ride (2 bottles, tool kit, frame pump etc) the Ritchey is by far more spry, more nimble, more at home in a peloton yet comfortable enough for longer brevets like 600km and Paris Brest Paris 1200 km or 750 miles with 12,000 meters or 40,000 feet Does that answer your question?
George... Excellent review.... The Big Question : What about the Shifters Mechanical shifters are there any modern Rim brake Mech shifters from Shimano... they do have Ultegra and duraace Discbrake Brake Shifter levers... But which groupo are you going to build this brand new 2024 Ritchey logic Rim brake frame ( if you do not get a Mechanical duraace or ultegra group) ??? Saludos from Monterrey Mexico !!! RIMbrake and Steel/Titanium Mafias over here |
Hello Enrique thank you for watching! I have a stockpile of Dura-Ace R9100 shifters to install on my new build and for Jessica's bike as well. Also there are going to be people that think that cable and rim brake is outdated and old and slow and dumb and whatever and they are going to be dumping that stuff on eBay and they will be able to be picked up for a song! Right now you can find tons of rim brake carbon wheels on eBay dirt cheap.
Yes George i think the same way you do ... I have all the bikes (3 steel bikes , 1 titanium and 1 aluminum TT bike) all of them with mechanical and rim brake..... only the Mountain bike has disc brake. Yes you are 100 Percent Right we do not need Racing bikes those are for Professional TDF GDI and Vuelta Espana cyclists and PRO TOURS ...... shimano and campagnolo must see that there is a BIG market of amateur cyclist that are looking for Rim brake and Mechanical Groups... i always keep cross my fingers that they awake and keep alive those wonderful mechanical groups.
@@enriquevera2000 The Chinese brands are going to take over the mechanical market. MicroShift, for instance, just released its Swords mechanical gravel groupset. Then there's always Rivendell, who stock all kinds of mechanical goodies - though mostly friction shifting and 7/8/9 speed.
I’ve been in the bike business for over 20 years. We have been calling bike colors color ways since at least then. Have you been riding longer than that? I don’t remember calling bike colors color ways before I came to the bike industry. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing 🙏
1lb is 454 grams. Add to your point, not just that it’s a small % of total weight, it’s not rotating mass, which is what you can feel when you’re trying to go uphill or accelerate. If I’m going to spend money to lower weight, it will be in the wheels, tires (and maybe cranks, pedals).
There are too many things to list 😂 first of all it’s STEEL, it’s rim brake, it’s externally routed, it’s triple butted tubing, it’s got a phenomenal ride quality, it’s geometry suits racers and endurance folks and it’s price point is a steal! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad - thanks for your reply- (not sure if you will read this but I’m just curious how would this Ritchies frame compare to a Pinarello or Tommasini Italian frame from the eighties or early nineties?
No chainstay bridge?!? I think a regular shell is going to fatigue. It seems some steel manufacturing/design knowledge has been lost over time. Maybe the target buyer is not putting in the km to make it an issue.
Tom Ritchey has been making steel frames for 50 years. The Road Logic has not had a chain stay bridge for a very long time. There is no history of BB failures or fatigue as you mentioned. My personal Road Logic from 2014 has over 16,000 miles (25,749 kms) one of many bikes I ride. There is no discernible weakness in the BB area during sprints or steep climbs. I think you should research Tom Ritchey before you make such a foolish claim “…some steel manufacturing/design knowledge has been lost over time” Modern steel alloys are significantly stiff enough to not necessitate the need for a chain stay bridge - that’s for old flexy steel bikes like my 1986 Bianchi - it has a chain stay bridge. My Ritchey Outback has a chain stay bridge. But that has extra long chain stays at 453mm whereas the Road Logic is only 410mm. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing so you can continue to be educated on modern steel frame design.
Maybe they are better at controlling the temperature now compared to 90s. Drive-side dropouts is the other sus location if they overdo it. I was thinking the 100,000+ km range.
@@youarevictoria4981 these frames will definitely last that long. If you take a look on eBay or other used markets, people rarely sell their Ritchey Road logic bikes. If I didn’t own 9 active bikes not to mention the bikes I have sold over the years I could easily put 100K or 62,000 miles on just one bike. But N+1 right? 😂 😂 In the past 12 years I have over 100,000 miles (161,000 km) documented on Strava. You’re welcomed to follow me there can follow me on Strava: www.strava.com/athletes/5473
Glossy because mf'n Ritchey prolly insists on major clear coats like Klein did too. I'm in the industry long time and HATE that so many companies have gone to almost like zero clear coats. It's stupid. I don't care if it adds a couple gramz. I guess I get it to not add cost to low end shite but yer 5k bikes ain't painted solid like they used to
They're made in Taiwan. I got it direct from the manufacturer in Taiwan before it went to Ritchey or any of the distributors. They've been made there for decades. I think you missed the nuance in my statement. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Hi George, I agree completely with you regarding the Ritchey Logic being a go everywhere bike. Mine was riding gravel before all my local friends bought the latest gravel bikes. It is a true road bike that you can comfortably ride 30km on seal and then time on gravel before pushing the big gears 30km home again. Unfortunately my health has stopped me riding for a few months, bloody brain tumor but that is fixed and here I NZ the summer is about to start so I'll get the 61 year old body fit again and enjoy riding the logic. Thanks for the video.
Regards Bill from NZ.
Thank you for watching from New Zealand! Sorry to hear about your brain tumor. Oh geez! I hope everything turns out all right and you can hit the streets by summer.
Funny story a couple of years ago I show up to a gravel ride in the mountains of East San Diego on my Ritchey with 28 Continental 5000 tubeless tires. Everyone else is on gravel bikes, disc brakes, 1X, fat tires etc ... I rock up with my "old skool" bike. Later the one guy says "when you pulled up on that bike I was like yeah that guy knows how to ride" Underbiking is fun 😁
Being able to add a little bit larger tire on this version of Road Logic should open the possibility for a wider (get it lol) variety of tires.
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Have both the regular and breakaway versions. These are a serious steal (lol) for the price - 40 yrs of refinement, asymmetric triple butting, lugless, tubes inside are coated for rust, integrated headset cups forged into head tube, tire clearance to 32c. They work best for me around 25c-28c. 30c is a bit sluggish on pavement but perfect on dirt. This having been said, I'd prefer all of the above with 1" steerer, horizontal top tube and braze-on for downtube shifters - on such bikes, I'm still using 23c and they're great. More to it than ride quality, I'm climbing better when I can bend the bike. ps. there's no front hanger because the tube is super thin there.
Nice Rod! I spoke about the fact that even if the BB flexes it gives back that energy in the other direction. Energy put into the bike is not lost...
u bet george. ime, don't need the big tires, ultra thin stays and long exposed posts if the bike bends enough where it supposed to. why ritcheys won't ever go away from small head and steerer tubes. everyone else will have figure this out again, eventually.@@SeeYouUpTheRoad
I just ordered a 55cm frameset. I had a 1999 Bianchi Pinella Boron steel frame and loved it...but crashed hard in a race and the frame was a mess. I ordered the ti version as a replacement and raced that for 11 years...then raced a Spooky Skeletor aluminum frame for 13 years. At 52 years old comfort is now king. Also, some kid just got a bronze medal at Criterium nationals on this frame so you can't say she doesn't get up and go. I raced MTB's in the early 90's and Ritchey stuff was always good. It is hard to put into words the feel of a very good steel frame.
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm subscribed...also I forgot to mention this years color...is the same as my first real road bike...a Lotus Unique from 1985...got me feeling nostalgic. Great channel...great info from a mechanic who also does mad miles...couldn't ask for a stronger steel advocate
Sweeeeet. Can't wait to see a build video!
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I can tell there is years of bicycling experience being spoken here with no industry marketing speak. This is refreshing!
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Beautiful colourway, can't wait to see one built up. Never owned a Ritchey but did have a steel Genesis Singlespeed in a very similar colour. That colour will really pop out. Love the channel and the organised chaos of your workshop. I bought an SQLabs saddle based on your recommendation - very impressed.
Oh goody! I'm glad the SQ Lab saddle worked for you. Organized chaos lol!
Nice video. Thanks for doing your part to put those great frames into homes. And double thanks for real talk on headset ride quality.
Thank you Univega Super Sport! It's been a minute since you have chimed in. I hope all is well.
Yes most people think that these new bigger and stiffer headset standards are an advancement in tech when in fact it is ruining the ride quality of bikes for 99% of the people who actually ride them for pleasure and not at a grand tour.
Great unboxing video! Always love ur Content Master George!
Thank You sir!
Hi, I definitely agree with everything you say in the video. As I get older, I prefer comfort on a bike, and steel frames definitely deliver that. I have the same frame on order and I'm really looking forward to it. I'm going to build a Campagnolo Super Record mechanical kit on it and it will be super! Thanks for the video that convinced me to make a good choice!
Sounds like that is going to be one sweet build. Send pictures when done so I can profile the bike on the channel :-)
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YES! New colorway looks so sweet.
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So nice. I ride my Swiss Cross more than any of my other bikes. 1x11, 700x38, carbon wheels. It’s a real joy to ride anywhere.
Sounds like a fun build! I need to update the brakes on my Swiss Cross Canti. I don't like them so I don't ride that bike much. After riding the MiniMotos on a recent build for another customer I am thinking of buying those for my SwissCross
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1x11 total leg wrecker
Looks awesome George.. 😊 congrats on the new new frame and fork..😃 great that the logos are almost a pink like your REV logo.. I’m also a steel, rim brake, tube, mechanical fan love mine ❤ look forward to seeing your build and first rides etc 😃😃🚴🏻🥇 just bought a Gilles Berthoud Galliber saddle to test.. Pete
Thank You Pete! Let me know how you get on with the GB saddle. I'm loving mine. I think I will buy another one for my Outback for graveling
Nice new color! Sure it looks even better under the sun. 😀Spring effect is really pleasant and easy to get when you step on the pedals with this frame.
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I ride a Road Logic and a Steel Some gravel bike. I recently got a good deal on a Trek Checkpoint with all the fancy stuff. I rode it almost a year then crashed it and needed to ride my Soma. Steel is where it's at. I haven't even test ridden the Trek since I got it back from the shop. I'm going to sell it any buy and Outback frameset. Great videos. Keep it up!
Steel is real! Real good!
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George. Enjoyed. splendid - ciao!
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Point taken George, theres always going to be a failure of some sort, Ive never seen one or heard of one on the fr. der. You see more repairs than I do. I just love a clean look without abuse on the paint. Enjoy!
Hey George I really enjoyed the video. In the 80s I had a Trek 700 series Reynolds 531c steel bike. Today I’m riding an early 2000s Trek 5200 Carbon. I’m thinking about going back to steel!
Hello Bill, thanks for watching! I think you will thoroughly enjoy being on a modern steel bike. Let me know what you end up on and keep in mind I sell steel frames through my store.
Frame looks great George! I also am a fan of steel, wish they would put a front der. hanger on the Ritchey. Thanks for your commitment.
Hello Ray. Please expound on why you would like a front derailleur hanger on the Road Logic. I like having the flexibility of moving the clamp/derailleur wherever I choose to put it depending on chainrings. But I would like to hear your opinion
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I see your point, but for me the hanger is a cleaner look and it gives me plenty of adjustment for a 52 or 53 combo with either a 42 or 39. I can play with that changing the cassette.
@@raycox3088 from my perspective I see another point of failure. I have seen damaged FD hangers in the shop. I have also seen where customers want to install certain chainring combinations and the hanger doesn't accommodate them. No hanger allows future-proofing for your frame who knows what chainring or drivetrain modification might come out in 5 years or 10
Clamp on front derailleurs are mechanical stronger hence will over better front derailleur shifting. In fact, when installing Shimano front derailleurs they have a tiny set screw that you have to set against the frame to give the derailleur more stiffness. You have to put this tiny piece of metal on your frame and screw the set screw into it. If you have a band clamp Shimano tells you that step is not necessary since it is a stiffer platform.
@@IBX180 nope
Thank you , The video was very educational👍👍
Glad it was helpful!
I ride the ritchey outback v1...fantastic do it all bike!...carbon wheels, mix of ultegra/105 and ritchey finishing bits...recently replaced the top tube cuz damaged so the new paint job too (didn't like the original dark blue anyways)...got a custom steel rim brake road bike too...both just a dream ride...love your bikes folks!!
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad that's lotsa ritchey in your stable!
@@darekm.7769 I have to make sure I get them while they still make them lol
Sweet breakdown George. I subscribed. I’m getting older for sure LOL! I have a steel Ghost Grappler for bike packing. Cool that you remember your mom in that way. I lost my mom in 2021, liver cancer. Ride on bro!
Thank You for watching. Thank You for subscribing. My condolences on your mom’s passing. It’s relatively recent. How have you been dealing with it?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thank you George. It’s been hard especially for my dad. They were married 60 years. I reflect on great memories and keep her close to my heart.
@@fraji1 be strong for your dad!
I've been waiting for this frame to release, since I couldn't find the rim version in europe. Finally, it's there 😍 live the color
Hope you enjoy it!
saw this at my lbc a couple of weeks back. this colorway is a thing of beauty up close! my outback v2 guac might have a sibling soon!
I like this color way more and more !
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I still ride my Peugeot PX10, with a modern groupset. a 1/2 million Km on it, carry my groceries on it as well ride 50 Km a day. I ride with an over 60 group, can drop anybody on the group whenever I want to, they all have carbon or aluminium frames. I just do not need to be any faster. For me the old school stell forks are the bomb for comfort.
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I have been riding Surly steel bike and never been so happy everytime i ride. Also a local in San Diego as well. I remember you sir from Nytro bike shop.
Hello Ryan wow I loved working at Nytro. I worked there from 2004-2009. It was such a high end shop and I learned so much there. I was a huge weight weenie with all my equipment back then. Now I ride steel bikes alloy wheels and just plain reliable long lasting durable components. Thanks to brands like Surly for keeping the flame alive on steel bikes relevancy. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad It's just nice to see people riding utility bike like Surly, Allcity, Ritchey nowadays and by the way I was a weight weenie back in a day as well. Also, I am a subscriber on your channel and hopefully I could visit your shop someday to see some cool stuff and meet you again in person. good luck and keep it up! cheers!
@@ryand121984 text before bayou come up though I may be out riding 😂
I like being the only guy on a Ti or steel frame… it reinforces the belief I have that I’m better and smarter than everyone else. 😂
I’m joking!😜
No I’m not. 😏
But you are 😂
I love the color. If I didn't just get the blue 50th Anniversary frame, I'd snap one of these up in a flash.
On the 50th Anniversary frame, the claimed tire clearance was 30 mm, but there's no way one would fit on mine. The brake bridge is placed so low on the seatstays that the brake shoes are in the top of the caliper slots. I'm wondering why Ritchey didn't design it so the brake bridge was placed higher, so the brake shoes could be at the bottom of the slots.
In any case, I'm riding 28 mm and just happy as a clam with the frame and ride quality, so no real complaints.
That’s interesting! What brake calipers are you running? Dura-Ace 9100 and 9200 have proper placement for a 30mm on my older Road Logic. I rode 30mm at PBP with proper placement of the brake pads on the rim.
Awesome
Agree with stiffness and comfort on frames factors. My single speed/retro bike is a cannondale 2008 CX 9 canti brakes (may go V brakes) and stiff as hell that just puts the power down for an alloy CX race frame. Excellent for the hour plus warmup/cooldown but that it is it for riding. Was an older 2x10 build for some years way back to replace a redline cx frame that given to me that was to small. After some years of hurting on longer rides had to get to another frame anyways for pit bike. But new frame became my A bike till pandemic due to the comfort for general use, not just race.
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Long live the rim brake!
YES YES YES!!
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Great video. Do you know if the disc version has any additional tire clearance? Thanks for all of your videos on Ritchey bikes. Super informative!
I’m anti - disc so I know very little about the Ritchey disc bikes. Although I did a Frankenbike experiment on my channel with a mixed Dura-Ace 11 and 105 12 speed mechanical disc on one of my carbon bikes. It was a proof of concept video to see if I could use it on a Ritchey Disc. My guess is 32’s will fit but they are conservative and want to leave clearance for dirt and mud. But don’t take my word for it. I have no personal experience with the disc brake version. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Nice❤❤
Thanks 🤗
I believe the flattened seat tube at the BB junction is for lateral stiffness. I saw this design on GT steel mountain bikes in the 90's.
thank you for your comment! I will get clarification on it!
I think all Ritchey frames have E.D coating ( electrophoretic deposition ) inside the tubes. Kinda like powder coating but a liquid instead of powder. Because it is liquid it coats the entire interior of the frame I guess the outside also. Should be a permanent shield against rust. My Ritchey outback is treated with ed. One problem I had when building mine up wa sthe seat post would slip so I used some carbon anti slip stuff, solved the problem. the ED coating is slick.
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Great video! To my understanding all newer Ritchey frames have frame saver applied at the factory. Love your points about weight and stiffness and how comfort is paramount when you aren’t a pro.
You’re Welcome and thanks for watching. I’ll ask Ritchey about the frame saver. Thanks for the heads up!
All Ritchey frames are treated with electrophoretic disposition where the frame is essentially dipped so it's coated inside and out to provide rust prevention. However, using Frame Saver as well is a good secondary treatment.
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Hi George from Scotland, just built up a lovely Swiss Cross with the cut out brake mount, to replace my 2004 custom 853, latter was 25mm max tyre so using 32mm (both bikes Conti 5000 / latex tubes) similar weight alloy wheels (Hunt aero v old Campag Shamals), feels great, nothing scientific done to compare performance and no plans to 😁 ps shop said frame pretreated for rust and i notice low torque spec for braze on clamp as maybe tube thinner here? Might get new carbon Shamals next year with 38-40mm for gravel, other kit is Ritchey stem, Hope bb and carbon seat post, GRX 46-30, TRP mech discs to work with my old SRAM etap red gears and shifters, 11-30, i have no issues mixing brands 😅
Hello John, thank you for the heads up on the lower torque setting on the seat tube and the pre-treated prep work at the factory. Ha Ha see you have no issues with picking the best component for the job 😃
Oh hell yeah!!!
Great video about the new Ritchey Road Logic for rim brakes. According to you, is it possible to put a triple crankset on this frame ? For example a Stronglight 48x38x28.
Thanks from Britanny in France.
I don’t know anything about triple cranksets.
Probably it's been commented already, but the seat tube isn't tapered for tire clearance. It's ovalized sideways for bottom bracket stifness. It's the same tube all the way, just ovalized at the bottom. So that it's stiffer against pedaling force.
That’s good to know. I don’t feel it’s any stiffer in the BB but then again I don’t have a 1500 watt sprint either 😂
Hi George, your videos have convinced me to make a Ritchey my next do-it-all bike. I have a question. I got the opportunity to buy a previous generation frame from 2017 built up with full Ultegra and Hope RS4 wheels for 1250 EUR which I consider a great deal. I am really sold on the new frame though with the interesting colorway and the bigger tyre clearance. Having ridden it now would you suggest it's an upgrade worth spending quite some money on over your old frame? Also what are the rim brakes you would recommend as the standard Shimanos incldued in all the groupsets tend to ma out at 30mm clearance. Thanks, and love your vids, keep it going. P
What color is the frame?
Hi everyone, i have posted here my experience with Ritchey Logic road but worth repeating because George is such a big fan and extremely bias . I am speaking from experience , because of this channel i purchased a Ritchey L 50th anniversary, Ultegra 11S. Hunt wide aero alloy , Ritchey bar , stem and seatpost. Continental gp5k. 28x700. Total weight 8.2kg. Very happy with the weigh, the build quality is supreme but the performance is not there. I wanted to like the bike so so bad but was disappointed, ride quality is there, climbs really well, supper stable but has no appetite for high speeds, up to 22mph average rides, upper tempo will keep up but if wanna go faster one must put down serious and consistent power, i am open to discuss this with any one who had better luck or different opinion , i have a Waterford Precession 2200 lugged frame with steel fork and is a faster bike, quicker everywhere and a lot flexier that the RL , not gonna compare with carbon bikes because there is no comparison but will compare with Caad 12. Rim , the Caad 12 runs circle around Ritchey or any other steel bike don't care who makes it, i am sorry but have to say as i have experienced it. Welcome your thoughts
I recommend Ritchey Logic to anyone who is interested in a steel, high quality frame, reasonable price and long lasting, will be rewarded with a quality ride, can do everything other frame can but can't hold its speed or going fast. I had to average at least 50w more to maintain same speed when on the Ritchey, same position, similar builds etc.
I ride a Gunnar Roadie and had a Ritchey SwissCross Canti. I loved the tube profiles on the Ritchey, but the geometry wasn't great for me as I need a steep seat tube as my torso is short. I don't ride to keep up with the fast guys anymore, not because I can't, more because it's just not what motivates me to ride. I totally agree that carbon and aluminum more often than not will perform better and help you go faster with less energy. If that's your thing, then steel isn't for you. You mention having a Waterford - what's the geometry differences between that and the Ritchey? Perhaps you aren't able to produce as much power on the Ritchey?
@@SurpriseMeJT Waterford is a size 51. Very close geometry to the Ritchey, shorter tt and lower front. Is not the power i can or can't generate on the Ritchey but how lethargic the Ritchey feels compare with the others, i need to put down more watts to go as fast, in other words Ritchey makes me work a lot harder to get same results , i also own a Lemond Poprad i have converted to gravel( Ritchey carbon gravel fork). Clamped the stays to tale 40mm tires. I have a blast riding that bike, most fun !!! So i know steel , i have been fortunate to ride high quality steel frames and i am handy enough i switch components to make them similar when test, "there is nothing wrong with silver " when comes t Ritchey, very good but not the superlatives receives here. IMHo
Thanks for sharing your experience. I find no difference riding my Ritchey Road Logic or my Bianchi XR4, what I would consider the other end of the technology spectrum, in local group rides. On the flats the paceline is 26-30 mph (45-50 kph) depending who shows up, on the 6-9% 2-5 min climbs power is 3.5-6 w/kg no discernible difference in power outputs I can be dropped on either bike or do the dropping on either bike.
I have several steel bikes and several carbon bikes. The Ritchey doesn’t slow me down at all. In fact, there are plenty of PR’s on the Road Logic on uphill segments that I’ve ridden for years and years considering all the bikes I’ve owned. That’s been my experience.
You lost me at CAAD 12
Awesome piece of art, is the pinky decals intended to be that color? or the white it's a bit transparent? about the treatment of the frame, as long as I know, the black ID treatment do the job, so no need to add any product inside. Cheers from Barcelona/Spain.
They are pink. Ritchey says the ED treatment is good enough but they don’t discourage the use of frame saver.
Thanks for watching from one of my favorite cities, Barcelona 🇪🇸
Brave choice of colors, I dig it, but might alienate some riders not into pink or burgundy.
But that new price, oof! Worth it, but glad I got mine when I did.
But with Waterford/Gunnar and All-City shutting down , Ritchey is pretty well positioned in this segment.
I hope Soma brings back the rim brake Smoothie for people who don't want to spend $1600. I don't think there is much excitement for the disc brake version of that bike.
Yeah the Smoothie seems like a nice option. I thought All-City was just threatening to close to drive business. Are they really shutting down?
Hi George, great unboxing and review video! Highly appreciated, by a steel frame fan 😊. Could you give some additional sizing advice please? Which sizes are you and Jess riding with which size/inseam? I am 177 with 83,7 inseam and wondering whether 53 or 55 will be a better fit. Ritchey's table puts me (173-180) onto a 55 frame which has an even larger reach than my surly midnight special in 54. I am afraid to be too stretched out and/or only be able to run a suuper short stem 🤔
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Jess and I ride 55cm frames. I don’t give sizing or fitting advice on this channel. As a bike fitter over 20 years it amazes me how many people ride too small of a bike.
Cheers!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thank you for your reply. I will have a closer look into the 55 ☺️.
Already liked and described - I like your content!
@@begott83you’re taller than me. People who ride too small of a frame have their head over the handlebars and the weight distribution is all jacked up and they absolutely suck at descending technical switchback mountains .
Hi George..you’ve mentioned the use of RL as a gravel bike..would be the frame/fork able to handle gravel (not extreme terrain), and if so, what kind/size of tires will be preferable?
It's a steel frame go wherever you want with it. You can easily fit 30's in the RL go have fun with it!! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
YESSSSS
Yass!!
my grey frame was never that glossy. that's a great color.
It is beautiful in real life 😍
Cannondale used to do 25mm or so seatpost diameter
Cannondale always does weird stuff all the time but then they come back to standard dimensions 27.2 mm for seat posts and threaded bottom brackets instead of their BB30 which was a debacle. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video it was just what I needed. In the near future I will be wanting a lightweight steel,do it all bike with 32mm tires and rim brakes. If you see his comment george, can you confirm the ability to use 32mm tires. If I need a different fork I would be willing to do that.
Hello Fred it will always depend on rim and tire combination. I was able to fit 30’s with 21mm internal and 25mm external rim no issue on the old grey frame. I could barely fit 32’s - rear was good but the fork was too tight for comfort. I can’t guarantee but the red frame should fit a 32.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks for the reply. I think I'll just go for a richey swiss cross. I will need to find a used one as I do not want disk brakes. Currently, I have a 2011 felt f15x with a v-brake conversion. I'm not fond of cantilever brakes .
@@fredherzberger4677 I sell the Paul Components brakes for Canti people and they are outstanding
Is there enough clearance for 32c tyres? If umming and arrring atm. 32 tyre clearance will tip me to make an order I think.
I recently shot a video on the channel about 32 tires on this frame. Check it out!
Is steeel reeal?
As an ex racer my road bikes never go above 25mm don’t ride gravel hate it. I did all my racing on Reynolds steel frames mostly Dutch Gazelle. towards the end of my racing I was using Alan aluminium frames especially in cyclocross
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Thanks for a great unboxing. I have been interested for a long time in This bike. Having ridden everything the last 35+ years I want my next bike to be steel or titanium. I started on steel decades ago & these last 6 years been on Aluminum. While considering steel I think this Ritchey will be most like what I remember. While the newer Spirt steel type bikes strike me almost to be more like thin wall aluminum with its big tubes etc. I am thinking this Ritchey with its normal sized tubes will be lively like I remember steel to be in the SL days. Is this correct in your opinion? Thanks again!
Thin walled oversized tubes will appeal to bike racers but not for people who just love riding our bikes. The Ritchey Road Logic is a phenomenal frame at any price. If I can provide you the frame or build let me know.
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks George that is what I was thinking + with the thin wall likely being harsher riding yet easier to dent should the bike fall over or worse. PS: will email you about possible frame purchase. Thanks!
@@maniastrat looking forward to serving you
Dang it George, makes me want to get one, I love to try new things but worry about regretting my purchase, what to do
You won’t regret getting a Ritchey. Seriously? I mean you don’t really think you would regret getting a Ritchey do you? It’s one of the best bikes I’ve ever ridden blows away all those carbon “lighter stiffer” crap 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad we’ll talk after I’m done my ride up Haleakala in Maui end of June
bucket list 😮
I clicked because it said rim brake. 😁
My mother passed the same way.
It was a reflex reaction to “rim brake” 😂
I’m so sorry for your loss Reginald. 😢
Hi George, your vids convinced me to make a Ritchey Road logic my next do-it-all road bike. I have the opportunity to pick up the previous frame with Ultegra and Hope RS4 wheels from 2018 for around 1200 EUR which I consider a good deal. But I am really sold on the bigger tyre clearance and the new color way. Having ridden the bike now, would you suggest the new frame is worth investing more money in? Also, what rim brakes do you recommend that could accommodate those 32-34 mm tyres and have good braking? Keep the good work going, cheers, Philipp
Hello Phillipp- the frames ride the same. I don’t know anything about Hope wheels. I don’t know if 1200 euro is a good price for you. Depending what things retail where you live it could be. I use Shimano Dura-Ace it fits 30-32mm Continental 5000 STR with a 25mm external rim. I have no idea about 34mm
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thanks for the reply that"s valuable info for me. I will order the new frame and build it up soon. I was thinking about using Tektro R369 brakes if there is enough space in the frame to clear 34 mm tyres or just the normal ultegras if 32mm is really the limit. I will see. Thanks!
@@philippannawitt3606 the frame is rated for 30mm I’m not sure why you keep talking about 34mm
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad you mentioned in your vid that 32s would fit in the rear of the 28 mm rated frame. So I figured the 34s might fit in the 30 mm frame? No issues if not, 32 should be plenty comfortable for light gravel even. Thanks.
Ha ha looks like you want to push it to the absolute limit lol! road conditions in the dry we can try to put a 34 mm tires in the frame. However, dirt trail and wet conditions, where a 34 mm tire would be preferred over a 32 mm tire, I would exercise caution. I think Ritchey is trying to keep people from putting in total max volume tires in their frames. I wouldn’t want to risk frame paint damage from the tire and dirt paste rubbing the chain stays or the fork. 😮😮
Hi George, great video. I'm also a rim brake fan. Can you tell me what rim brakes are you planning to use? I use Dura ace 7900 brakes, which clears 32mm tires, and I have another bike which I use mid-reach brakes ( Shimano BR-R650) which clears 35mm tires. Thanks
Hello I will be using Dura-Ace R9200 brakes on Jessica’s bike. I was thinking maybe I would put on some eeBrakes on mine just for fun. I have them on my Bianchi XR4 and they are incredible! Easy to adjust as well.
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad does eeBrakes clears 30mm plus tires? Thanks
@@brif56 yes they do they would have clearance of probably 35 mm or more
@@brif56 let me know if you want a pair and I will get them for you. Send me an email to revcycling@gmail.com
Hi George, I’m curious if you had to choose: Tommasini Tecno or Ritchey Road Logic?
Hello Marco I’ve discussed this on multiple videos. Horses for courses - they are two dramatically different bikes. You can’t or shouldn’t really compare them to each other. The Tecno has a smooth ride and a 1” steel fork that tracks amazing on technical descents especially on bumpy roads (plenty of downhill PR’s on it) but it’s slow to accelerate and sprint and it’s heavy AF when loaded for a ride (2 bottles, tool kit, frame pump etc) the Ritchey is by far more spry, more nimble, more at home in a peloton yet comfortable enough for longer brevets like 600km and Paris Brest Paris 1200 km or 750 miles with 12,000 meters or 40,000 feet
Does that answer your question?
Thanks, makes sense!
Is the new frame for rim brakes and mechanical stops?
It is rim brakes what do you mean by mechanical stops? Do you mean cable stops for mechanical gearing?
George... Excellent review.... The Big Question : What about the Shifters Mechanical shifters are there any modern Rim brake Mech shifters from Shimano... they do have Ultegra and duraace Discbrake Brake Shifter levers... But which groupo are you going to build this brand new 2024 Ritchey logic Rim brake frame ( if you do not get a Mechanical duraace or ultegra group) ??? Saludos from Monterrey Mexico !!! RIMbrake and Steel/Titanium Mafias over here |
Hello Enrique thank you for watching! I have a stockpile of Dura-Ace R9100 shifters to install on my new build and for Jessica's bike as well.
Also there are going to be people that think that cable and rim brake is outdated and old and slow and dumb and whatever and they are going to be dumping that stuff on eBay and they will be able to be picked up for a song! Right now you can find tons of rim brake carbon wheels on eBay dirt cheap.
Yes George i think the same way you do ... I have all the bikes (3 steel bikes , 1 titanium and 1 aluminum TT bike) all of them with mechanical and rim brake..... only the Mountain bike has disc brake. Yes you are 100 Percent Right we do not need Racing bikes those are for Professional TDF GDI and Vuelta Espana cyclists and PRO TOURS ...... shimano and campagnolo must see that there is a BIG market of amateur cyclist that are looking for Rim brake and Mechanical Groups... i always keep cross my fingers that they awake and keep alive those wonderful mechanical groups.
@@enriquevera2000 The Chinese brands are going to take over the mechanical market. MicroShift, for instance, just released its Swords mechanical gravel groupset. Then there's always Rivendell, who stock all kinds of mechanical goodies - though mostly friction shifting and 7/8/9 speed.
Grx 800 is Ultegra-level and can still get full mechanical
@@e.con0210 Thank You for bring the GRX group into the conversation!
Why are colours now called coulorways? Nice frame.
I’ve been in the bike business for over 20 years. We have been calling bike colors color ways since at least then. Have you been riding longer than that? I don’t remember calling bike colors color ways before I came to the bike industry.
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Im 62 so quite a while. I am however in the UK. I have noticed this colourway thing over the last year. Maybe it's an Americanism?
First time I’ve heard Colorways
@@nickyburnell It comes from the fashion and textile industry. It's been around since the 1940s.
1lb is 454 grams. Add to your point, not just that it’s a small % of total weight, it’s not rotating mass, which is what you can feel when you’re trying to go uphill or accelerate. If I’m going to spend money to lower weight, it will be in the wheels, tires (and maybe cranks, pedals).
Can I ask what is special about a Ritchey frame.
There are too many things to list 😂 first of all it’s STEEL, it’s rim brake, it’s externally routed, it’s triple butted tubing, it’s got a phenomenal ride quality, it’s geometry suits racers and endurance folks and it’s price point is a steal!
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad - thanks for your reply- (not sure if you will read this but I’m just curious how would this Ritchies frame compare to a Pinarello or Tommasini Italian frame from the eighties or early nineties?
those frames from the 90’s and especially the 80’s are terrible compared to a modern day Ritchey. There’s no way to sugar coat it.
No chainstay bridge?!? I think a regular shell is going to fatigue. It seems some steel manufacturing/design knowledge has been lost over time. Maybe the target buyer is not putting in the km to make it an issue.
Tom Ritchey has been making steel frames for 50 years. The Road Logic has not had a chain stay bridge for a very long time. There is no history of BB failures or fatigue as you mentioned.
My personal Road Logic from 2014 has over 16,000 miles (25,749 kms) one of many bikes I ride. There is no discernible weakness in the BB area during sprints or steep climbs.
I think you should research Tom Ritchey before you make such a foolish claim “…some steel manufacturing/design knowledge has been lost over time”
Modern steel alloys are significantly stiff enough to not necessitate the need for a chain stay bridge - that’s for old flexy steel bikes like my 1986 Bianchi - it has a chain stay bridge.
My Ritchey Outback has a chain stay bridge. But that has extra long chain stays at 453mm whereas the Road Logic is only 410mm.
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Maybe they are better at controlling the temperature now compared to 90s. Drive-side dropouts is the other sus location if they overdo it. I was thinking the 100,000+ km range.
@@youarevictoria4981 these frames will definitely last that long. If you take a look on eBay or other used markets, people rarely sell their Ritchey Road logic bikes. If I didn’t own 9 active bikes not to mention the bikes I have sold over the years I could easily put 100K or 62,000 miles on just one bike. But N+1 right? 😂 😂 In the past 12 years I have over 100,000 miles (161,000 km) documented on Strava. You’re welcomed to follow me there
can follow me on Strava:
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Glossy because mf'n Ritchey prolly insists on major clear coats like Klein did too. I'm in the industry long time and HATE that so many companies have gone to almost like zero clear coats. It's stupid. I don't care if it adds a couple gramz. I guess I get it to not add cost to low end shite but yer 5k bikes ain't painted solid like they used to
Yep Matt black for thé weight weenies but boring for everyone else
Wait did you say you got it from Taiwan? What? That’s too bad. It loses its appeal when it’s not made at Ritchey’s.
They're made in Taiwan. I got it direct from the manufacturer in Taiwan before it went to Ritchey or any of the distributors. They've been made there for decades. I think you missed the nuance in my statement. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
600 grams is way too much
Ha it’s nothing but you must be trolling
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Huh?