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An independent thinker who doesn't necessarily follow the trends! Good to see you have your own practical opinions about bikes & riding. Steel bikes last a long time. As for them rusting from the inside out you can always spray a rust inhibitor inside the frame tubes. Rim brakes are perfectly fine, anything stronger is likely to send you over the handlebars in a panic stop. Guess who's pushing disc brakes & electronic shifters? The manufacturers make a bigger profit off of these "advancements".
Well said! I have new Ritchey builds on this channel! Steel bikes and rim brakes for as long as I can get product to service my bikes.
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Dura-ace 9000 has to be one of the best looking grousets ever made, especially the crankset. HED Ardennes are peak mid 2010s. Awesome bike all-round, truly timeless.
Hello Domenic thank you for the compliments on my component choices. I love steel bikes with modern drivetrains and wheels.
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"I out brake anyone who is on disc brakes" lol, you're killing me George!
I do! Bring your disc brake bike with you when you come to visit and we’ll do the experiment I do with everyone that doubts me. We’ll get our bikes up to speed and I’ll even give you the advantage of calling out when to stop and I will stop under control in less distance than you on your disc brake bike. Care to try it? You should know I’ve never lost. When I say shit like this in my channel it comes from real life experience of challenging people on their discord brake bikes which is all a bunch of bike industry marketing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I worked on a 10 speed Dura-ace bike the other day, in fact I used to own one. Good brakes but nowhere near as nice as well set up hydraulic disc brakes. Any brake can throw you over the bars but you have to yank on rim brakes compared to the silky light touch of hydros. Meet me at the bottom of a curvy mountain descent and we'll see which brakes are stopping better!
'@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I have real life experience too, I own bikes with dura-ace rim brakes and sram red disc brakes. I test ride bikes with all sorts of components every day. The parking lot test just shows that you're a better bike handler, the real test is how they perform half way down a steep, curvy mountain descent. If nothing else disc brakes provide more stopping power using much less force on the brake lever and that's good enough for me.
Love seeing the diff bikes George!! Please keep showing your diff bikes! And also - take us on a "gravel" ride with one of them 🙂
And thank you for singing the gospel of the alloy rim brake. I've never felt that my brakes were any worse than discs when I've compared them. They do have a diff feel, but the stopping power always felt about the same.
Hello J! I will continue to profile my other bikes. The success of this Ritchey video has made me aware that there is a hunger out in the CZcams world for this type of content.
I don't gravel much anymore since I was doing mixed terrain rides on my road bikes back before it was cool lol! But I will have to go get dirty for the tube! lol!
Rim brake, alloy wheel, is absolutely more than adequate and I dare say superior to disc brake in performance in the dry. I don't ride in the rain anymore so I don't care that disc brakes might work better under those conditions. Keep in mind it doesn't matter how good the braking performance is if you don't have tire traction.
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"Oh no external cables, rim brakes it's a mechanic's nightmare!"
ME :o) man I need that bike!!
Yep! I forgot to mention thread in bottom bracket too! 😁
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Your welcome that’s a very nice bike, easy to work on.
A mechanic’s nightmare!
@@aygwm 😂
I have the Ritchey Logic in grey/yellow. Not my favorite color scheme, but the bike still rides like a dream. Full shimano 105 5800 series, except for the brakes. I switched to TRP rim brakes because it allows me to fit 30mm Schwalbe One tires with a couple mm to spare. I just installed a Selle Anatomica leather saddle and I’m never looking back. This bike was my wedding gift to myself. I bought it to be my forever bike.
Yeah that grey/yellow wasn’t my favorite either. The new one will be Red
DA9000 and Ritchey Logic… pure class!
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Love Your Ritchey Logic Light Steel bike!
Own a 1987 Bianchi Limited Ultegra 600 Down tube Shifters with 7 speeds, Rainbow Edition.
Rides fast in classic comfort!
Hello Al I have a 1987 Bianchi from that same time frame. I will do a video on it as well!
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That rim surface is a great idea. I found with traditional machined al rims, when brand new, slivers of aluminum would strip off and get embedded in the brake pads. The embedded slivers would then scrape and scratch up the rim surface when braking.
Kool Stop pads would solve this, softer compound wouldn't strip off the al slivers, but new bikes with new rims don't have the Kool Stop pads.
I have this same bike with Ultegra components from that era. It just looks so fricken good with all of the different shades of grey. I typically ride my outback but this is inspiring me to go ride the Road Logic tomorrow. Thanks for the vid!
Hello Brandon I have an Outback on back order. Unfortunately the dates keep getting pushed out.
I love my Road Logic. If they issue another color that I like I might purchase another Road Logic because now they have a 30 mm tire clearance. That would be all you ever need for everything! One bike that would do it all! Depending on the tire/wheel combination sometimes it’s difficult to fit 28 tires in the fork no problem in the rear chain stays though.
Thanks for watching please consider subscribing. And hit that notification bell I have a red Swiss Cross that I still need to do a bike profile on. Hit notifications so you know when I posted that video.
I will subscribe! I think you might love the swiss cross - I have a red 1998 with steel fork. I’m somewhat of a Ritchey fanatic so I apologize - not trying to flex, I’m just really into their philosophy and design.
The new outback is really nice - super stable and def comes alive off road. I find it to be a tad sluggish in 650b mode so there are tradeoffs depending on the wheel size / tire combo. I think you would actually really really love the new swiss cross disc. I have the V1 outback which is an almost identical geometry - and that thing is basically a road logic with room for 40c tires. I know you said you weren’t really into disc brakes but you should give GRX a shot - the modern Shimano stuff is incredible. I had 2015 Sram discs on my old cyclocross bike and that stuff is garbage in comparison to the new stuff.
@@brandonsouba I know I will break a few hearts when I say this but I’m not a fan of SRAM 😂
So what do you think shall I look at the V2 SwissCross as a Road Logic disc but with better capability because of the 40 mm tire clearance?
FYI - rim for road disc for dirt. So sure I don’t mind disc for “gravel”
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad the Swiss cross hits that sweet spot for me - but if you only ever run 30mm max size then the road logic should be perfect.
@@brandonsouba ha ha I run 25mm! 28mm and above are like balloon tires! Remember I said I’m a roadie. I ride gravel on my Road Logic with 28 tires - maybe otherwise 25. I’ve done the Belgian Waffle ride 5 times and just ride my road bikes with 28’s. 140-150 ish miles but 90 ish tarmac so road bike for the win.
People just want to buy gravel bikes - they don’t need them it’s just N+1
That is such a beautiful bike! I wish they still offered a rim brake version of this frame (only disc available on the website). As someone who currently owns a few bikes with disc brakes I completely agree with you-a good set of rim brakes stop better than anything and they’re easier (for me) to adjust and maintain!
You have to hand it to them. The bike industry has done a great job fooling everyone that they “need” disc brakes. We have lost freedom of choice. We are now forced to buy only disc brake bikes.
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They do offer a rim brake version, albeit it might be hard to come by these days. They just released an anniversary edition that was rim brake.
@@brandonsouba originally it sounded like they were limited production. They would be foolish to not continue them somehow
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Fergus (Ritchey Marketing Manager) stated in a video that they are going to try and keep doing rim brake bikes - I hope it’s not this super limited stuff because the anniversary frames were limited to 150 and sold out immediately.
@@brandonsouba correct that was a huge disappointment! How long ago was that video and statement about continuing rim brake bikes
This an awesome bike!! Love Ritchey so much! (also a proud owner)
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Hi George, my brought my road logic at the end of 2017 here in the south island of new zealand. I run 28mm tyres and it is used mainly road but easily handles gravel. Gets used for time trials using bolt on aero bars and tt wheels and love beating the guys on tt bikes. It's a great all round bike which is used for all my training. Only reason I don't race it is the colnago needs to be used for something.
Hello Bill. What color is your Road Logic? And yes of course this bike is an all arounder. I use it on long endurance rides, light gravel, climbing rides anything and everything. Like you I have a high performance race bike a Bianchi XR4 so it gets used for something as well 😍
I filmed part 2 of this bike yesterday but I may re-shoot it again. Standby for it’s release. Please like and subscribe and hit that notification bell 🛎️
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad hi George. I brought my one very late 2017 and believe it is the 2018 model, frame number ends 0035 so I guess it's the 35th off the production line. It's skyline blue and other than colour the only difference to yours is slightly more tyre clearance. I run tubeless which some people don't like but I'm a convert. This is the first of your videos I've seen and loved it, thanks
Ha this is just an edit, I've just seen your video on how much you hate tubeless and while I fully understand your frustration I'll be sticking with tubeless. Enjoy your 20 minutes cleaning your beautiful bike.
@@billgibbs3516 ha ha Bill! Standby for the Retro Grouch on tubeless.
I built quite a few of the Skyline blue frames. I didn’t like the color schemes after that bike!
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yes George I agree about the later colour schemes and yes I have subscribed.
Just bought a 2020 Anniversary addition with the Baby Blue paint. Like new condition with less than 100 miles on it. Was on ebay for much less $ than what it was new. I could not believe it. With only 150 in the world, I will hang onto it and advise my children to use it as wall art when I am gone. I may run it as a Single Speed (40-18) for several years. But at age 61 now and 10-15% grades all around me I'll probably at least put a 1X on it by 65.
Wow! Congrats! I have one of the 650 50th Anniversary Outbacks ... not as special 🤣 but I can't wait to build it up. FYI- there is a video #2 on the Ritchey Road Logic. I rebuilt it with more of the stuff I wanted on it. Go check it out czcams.com/video/3gWt9BVYQWY/video.htmlsi=Q-vsmLCmVXFnHwod
that's one sweet ride!
Thank You Dylan! It’s definitely one of my favorites!
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Man, this is just class a cycling content ! Keep up the good work. Love it.
You’re very kind sir! Check out video 2 of 2
Love the Ritchey Road Logic + Hed Ardennes Black - I envy you
It’s a great ride! Thanks for watching 😊
Awesome bike, enjoy your content, the most honest guy about rim wheels vs carbon wheels
Thank you! I did a second video on this bike.
And I also just did Paris Brest Paris 1226 km (762 miles) 12,000 meters 40,000 feet on this Ritchey
My Ritchey Road Logic - steel rim brake Video 2 of 2 sub 17 lbs w/power meter pedals, 2 bottle cages
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great looking bike
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ah great. I think I want one now for my daily structured workouts that I do both indoors and outdoors 😂 Will keep my Orbea Orca for special and/or race days only.
Wonderful! Are you in the US? I’m putting a list together for backorders
Love this frames paint and decals.
Me too! Modest and understated 😊walk silently but carry a big stick 😉
Well done!
Thank You sir!
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George, how do you climb with such tall gearing, I’m running 50/34 with 11-30 to 11-34 on my bikes with gradients of 9 to15……am i a softy?
Ha ha you’re not a softy! I’m just too stubborn to use bigger cassettes because I don’t like the big gaps between the gears.
Everyone rides what they can and like to ride getting to the top is the main goal how you get there isn’t as important.
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Very excellent for a 2014
Thank You Ian! I then shot video 2 of 2 when I stepped a few components off another bike.
nice bike, what are size are u? cant decide between a 51 or 53cm for my logic, im 5.9!
Thank you!
I’m also 5’9” longer legs than torso proportionally. I ride a 55cm. How would you characterize your body type? What would be your justification for 51 cm or 53 cm?
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Hi George,
Nice bike! I build myself last year a Road Logic V2 grey and yellow with rim brakes. I went for Sram rival 1X 42 and 11 36 cassette . I know you won't like 1x setup :). For my place, this gear spread is ok. I know there are some limitations with 1X but up to now, no issue to follow my club mates in sunday morning rides. With some simple alloy Mavic Ksyrium wheels it rides really nicely. Not a single pain in the neck or back after a 200km ride. Simple, reliable, great handling, what to expect more of a road bike?
To compare, I tried a CF disc brakes endurance bike for a ride, and...how to say... not bad, efficient, but not as funny as the Road logic. As you mentioned in another video about endurance bikes, it was like riding a bus :)
Thanks for your channel, always interesting videos.
Hello Mathieu! Thank you for the comment! I’m not a fan of 1X because where I live we have a lot of hills. They are stupid steep or long flowing rolling terrain. A 42T front and 36T might work for most climbs but not for the real steep stuff 20% or more. Then a 42X11 would not be fast enough through long flowing descents or fast descents or sprints. You need a 53X11 to ride in fast group rides here.
Congrats on your Ritchey! I think there is a typo in the paragraph where you talk about test riding a carbon disc brake bike. Can you check please? It says “not as funny”
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Yes understand what you mean. For sure, for long descents it doesn't suit very well, 60kph is enough for me 😄. We have short hills, max 12% so it's fine for me. For real mountain,yes, I would have done differently.
For the test I had, I wanted to say that this CF bike was not very lively. Steering was not very responsive. It was a joy to come back to my Ritchey. Sorry if my english is not so good, this is not my native language 😀
I bought a road bike last year, my first one ever. I wanted an aluminium frame one, the guy of the shop asked me how much I wanted to spend and I told him. He said for that money I could buy a carbon frame bike that they lowered prices a lot and I listened to him.
I still regret it, carbon frames are garbage.
My next bike I don't want a single carbon piece, fork included. Fuck plastic
Ha ha thanks for the chuckle!
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad a blow of fresh air. Someone being honest about bikes, no marketing bullshit full of lies
@@nemure correct I will ruffle some feathers along the way but I have to be true to myself first.
Its a beauty George! Nice Chris King head set is the Ritchey head set les superior ? I have thomson seat tube wich is ok but would like to swap it for a Ritchey. Carbon seatube would it be more comfy?
Thank you Alex!
The Ritchey headset is of excellent quality. It has held up well in 8 years of tarmac, gravel and some foul weather and 11,000 miles.
Regarding the seatpost - is your Thomson seatpost aluminum? The Ritchey Flex Logic is designed to “flex” 15% - so it surely is an upgrade for you.
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Correction: they made titanium breakaway bikes until a few years ago. Apparently it was difficult for them to control the quality at their overseas factory since titanium is harder to work with.
Yes you are correct -
The frames below have been discontinued.
Break-Away Carbon Road
Break-Away Carbon Outback
Break-Away Steel Road
Break-Away Steel Cross
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Thanks for the clarity on the break away discontinued bikes. Wow…that means Ritchey isn’t making carbon bikes either. The only break-away models left are the outback and tandem? I assume they’ll make an ascent version at some point but who knows.
@@brandonsouba I’m a true blue roadie. I can’t understand why anyone rides dirt BUT… 😂 what is the purpose of the Ascent? I’m getting confused with all their models now and yeah an Ultra too. 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yeah there is a ton of overlap with the Swiss cross, Outback, and Ascent. I think the idea is to match the bike to the terrain you ride a majority of the time. Then again, I saw a video of Tom riding last weekend on this gnarly gravel on a 1980s road logic he built
@@brandonsouba correct because the Road Logic is all you need!
As an old roadie just getting back into the sport. I thought your comment about rim brakes vs disk was very interesting. I have old rim brakes on my roadbikes but I'm considering disk on a mountainbike. I also like that you carry the pump. I recently used the CO2 shot for the first time on a repair that got me home but the patch only held for a bit and was dead the next day. Another advantage of the pump. I'm going back to carrying the frame pump.
I'm very curious about your wheels. I haven't ridden any carbon wheels but where/how can I get those aero covers? Can you just add them onto normal aluminum box type rims? What type of tire and tube do you run/prefer? I'm currently on rene herse and silka tubes but wondering about tubeless on the road.
Lastly, love the Ritchey style and steel is real. I just did my first cyclocross race and there was a guy with a very nice ritchey fold up bike there. He got lots of compliments on the bike.
Great video and thank you for it! How do you feel the frame size of the logic compares to a more typical compact frame? (Hopefully my comments don’t end up on your stupid comment video!)
Sadly, not available as rim brake version where I live. I'd love to have an all mechanical, rim brake build of this.
Where do you live? I just ordered 7 Ritchey Road Logic frames. They are due in next month
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad germany. I need size 53, but here I only can get the disc version
nice bike. I love steelbikes and their classic look. I ride a veloheld icon. Do you use any particular framepump? Im on a search for one and my frame doesn't have these steel nobs to put the pump in place
Hello crack0n - unfortunately companies have stopped making frame pumps. I need to make a video about this!
Steel is my kind of deal! :D
Well played!
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George - I have a Wabi steel single speed bike w/ alloy wheels & Tektro rim brakes. Could you pls recommend one or two options for replacement pads? (I live in the SF Bay Area, so dry conditions.) Thx!
I just use Shimano pads. Some people like Kool Stop but I don’t have a color recommendation try them out and let me know. I just believe in the KISS method. 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad thanks, George - simple is generally the best approach. I actually just decided to upgrade my calipers by going from very generic Tektro calipers to some [OE / "brown box"] Shimano R7000 symmetrical dual pivot calipers. I'm happy to have my LBS install those along w/ several other tune-up-y things as soon as my UPS driver arrives.
@@malcontent_1 we call UPS brown Santa 🤶
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad 🤔🙃
I’m not sure if you mentioned already but what width are your tyres and what sort of clearance is there?
Thanks
Generally I run 25 tires on 21 internal 25 external rim with plenty of clearance to ride 28 tires when I ride gravel with this bike
Great review, mate. Selling my Cervelo to get this instead but never has a steel bike and worried about rust. Any advice? Thanks
No worries on rust. If you ride in the rain often then you should be riding a plastic bike 😉 you should spray frame saver inside your steel frames yearly or more often if you ride in the rain. I have a steel Bianchi from 1986 - no rust
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad awesome, thanks!
@@quantumdecoherence1289 You’re Welcome
I mean seat post
Any HEDs you would not rec.?
I really don’t know how to answer that Ian. I sell a narrow band of their product line because of my customer base. Everything I’ve sold and used I find excellent!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Great! Did you remove the white Hed decals/stickers ? (last dumb question, will make it up to you)
@@p49N Black series comes with blacked out logos 😊
If someone at Ritchey reads this: Please, bring this exact frame with Direct Mount brake mounts and pre-drilled holes for Di2 cables. Everything else is perfect.
George I suggest you watch your own video on CZcams. This one skips and repeats every two min.s or so. One of your other video's did that as well. Is it a server problem??? Just a heads up. Good content here
Hello Steve thanks for your comment but I have no issues watching this video or any other of my videos. Worked on my iPhone or Mac either at work, at home on or off Wifi. I even had my girlfriend watch this video different network with no issues either. Sounds like an issue on your end 🥲
The reason people think they need discs is because they're more profitable for bike manufacturers. Anything that's more profitable will be pitched to gullible consumers.
Indeed! Or they are riding carbon clinchers which have terrible braking in the dry and downright dangerous in the wet. Alloy rim brake system is more than adequate and preferred by me.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I have disc brakes on my MTB and gravel, and honestly I prefer them for those disciplines, but I'm unsure they're worth the increased maintenance cost. For road bikes they have no value unless you ride exclusively in the rain.
Never ridden carbon wheels on rim brakes, but I've heard the horror stories.
@@treygray2817 rim for road - disc for dirt
You are not likely to get new viewers by mocking the ones you had.
It’s important that “stupid” questions are addressed and used as teaching points. I believe you took the wrong angle of why I wanted to address stupid questions in a reaction video.
Did anyone say mocking? Did you not listen to the message and teaching point when I spoke about “leveling a saddle”?
Thank you for your opinion and thank you for watching!
I look forward to engaging in a dialogue with you.
What size is the ritchey.
Why do you ask what is the size of this bike? Why does it matter? 55
FYI - there’s a video 2 of this bike. And now there are videos of the 2024 Road Logic on this channel.
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