TOYOTA LIED ABOUT 2020 SUPRA HP NUMBERS *first DYNO hp and tq*
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Seems as though the 2020 Toyota Supra is making a lot more than 335hp! A little underrated? I think so!
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Am I Trippin or is everyone who thought the new supra was a disappointment is slowly now liking the new supra
Shaun bro same 😂😂😅
Yep manual or go home...
Well I don't know about a Supra all I see is a BMW Z4 coupe with a Toyota badge on it what is a nice car I like to design what is not a Toyota Supra
nah this car is still shit lmao
you can tell this was a clear cash grab for toyota, and they embarrassed themselves as a company with this car
So Toyota keeping with the traditional under rating. Harks back the gentleman's agreement of 276hp.
chris vinicombe i knew it from the beginning
Came here to comment this. 🖤
*287 was the agreement
@@vincentbumm1020 I went 276 because that's what all the cars (Supra, Skyline,Evo,GTO,Impreza) on granturismo had claimed. At least that's what I remember , might be wrong though.
@@chrisvinicombe9947 No, you're actually right. It was 280 PS/276 HP. It's still 64 PS/63 HP for Kei cars as well.
Only in America do we determine how good a car is by HP
justchillin619 we race in a straight line lol, what do you expect
You can damn near make 500hp on bolt on’s alone with the B58 it’s a absolute powerhouse
700*** with a turbo upgrade and a e85 tune
@jon jon I was thinking the same thing E85 and a turbo upgrade will make this thing sing
@@Mhopkins0819 an n54 can make upto 800hp with boltons and its an open deck engine......this bmw b58 engine is a closed deck similar to the 2jz so the power this engine can hold will be above 800hp easily.....
@jon Jon I’m wondering how the after market intercoolers are gonna work for this. It has a really different factory setup than anything I have seen. I’m coming from a gen 2 eclipse and mazdaspeed3. Never seen something like this.
just like the newer m4s m5s m6s the intercoolers are water cooled....there are already tons of aftermarket companies that make upgraded watercooled intercoolers
A90 Supra: **EXISTS**
Other people: it's just a z4
Me: well look on the bright side
It's gas only and not a hybrid.
errrm hybrid would be way better, think instead of hating on hybrid because of the fact it can be more green.
@@usbtnt maybe a trim?
@@masashiiino6914 you know all the best cars are hybrid now including f1 and most supercars. try going back to school, it might help.
@@usbtnt i know that and I'm impressed by that.
I don't hate all hybrids, it's just it's a bit complicated when modified, but I don't hate hybrids.
Cant wait to see supra fans put a precision 7675 on it.
Well, all BMWs are underrated from the factory)
fastboatster I’ve found no written proof but I’ve been told by a bmw mechanic friend of mine that Bmw rates them by taking the lowest number they got by the worst performing engine in testing. So in the worst possible atmospheric conditions you could ever be in, with a completely heat soaked intercooler the car will make the advertised HP to the crank.
So they can beat emissions. Cheat
@@2ntenz nope, emissions are always measured, most likely, it's to put the engine into more favorable registration tax bracket. In some countries, tax per hp vehicle owner has to pay nearly doubles when your cross the 250 hp mark.
Its cuz in Germany theyre dumb AF as their cars itself..
@@thanxshaq someone's wallet is crying
Just for the record, the new Z4 and Supra were faster than the 'standard' BMW M2 (not the M2 competition).
Sorry but true!
NOW THAT'S HOW YOU SHATTER EXPECTATIONS!💯 KEEP IT REAL👍🏻
On the positive side, i would agree the performance figures quoted by BMW are tame. I own the Z4 M40i and its torque is way higher than 500Nm. I suspect the HP is slightly higher too. This is likely reciprocated in the Supra, hence your findings.
We wanted the 3JZ-GTE!
*CONS:* B58 engine, no manual transmission to succeed the legendary GETRAG V160/V161, absolutely hideous interior, downgraded seating capacity compared to its predecessor.
*PROS:* One of the most rigid body frames for a car to handle insane HP, Mod-friendly, very stylish/aggressive exterior, 50/50 weight distribution, and the rest is all good!
Facts
most ppl dont know that the bmw b58 or n54 engines are monsters......700hp+ with bolt ons....the b58 there are guys running bigger turbos , upgraded fuel pumps and an e85 tune hitting 650+ hp without opening up the engine
Ahh they are an open platform to a lot of huge potential! but bolt ons is not really accurate. I’m at 639/624 and it took A lot more than just bolt ons for that power (n54). I get your point though..
Maybe if you consider turbos a bolt on 😂
@@NorVack yea u know the deal man im a n54 guy myself.im just saying compared to anything else where you have to build the engine to make decent power its extremly easy for these engines to make big numbers.... i see this engine being superior by a long shot....mainly because its a closed deck like the 2jz compared to the n54s open deck
@@NorVack not really but u get my point...😂🤙
Does that include there typical n54 problems like faulty water pump, horrible low and high pressure fuel pumps, typical direct injection bead-blasting of the heads after 30K miles, plastic critical engine components, etc etc? If so, it aint a Toyota and aint a Supra in my opinion.
Motortrend however dyno'd the car in sixth gear 1.00:1 ratio and got 332hp and 387lb-ft at the wheels. That's still around 390hp and 450lb-ft at the crank.
Exact
450lb_ft is how much NM torque?
@oahgfojsdljknsdlfw just check Dyno of any other BMW that has been out since 2016 that has the B58 engine in it. They Dyno close to whatever they are rated at from the factory
People still read motor trend? Thought that was like SI for kids
Bmw had always lied about their car power! It's a fact
You're right and they lying now about this car true horsepower
Carwow did a drag race today with the Supra vs Z4 and the Supra smoked it.
Bmw rates them by taking the lowest number they got by the worst performing engine in testing. So in the worst possible atmospheric conditions you could ever be in, with a completely heat soaked intercooler the car will make the advertised HP to the crank. Not a lie only lie is the one you spread.
I test driven the thing and it’s absolutely monstrous, not talking much about raw power and torque figure but as a driving experience overall. It drives like it’s on rails and gives you tons of traction in any gear, at any speed, no matter how hard you try to push it. The ultimate track days weapon.
Awesome to hear! I can't wait to get my hands on one
I think the new Supra is a really exciting car for the aftermarket scene, regardless of the stock horsepower numbers. But this is good news.
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Once again this is a BMW not a Toyota smh...
@@sammyjames1929 yeah we know its toyota
@@sammyjames1929 credits to toyota in taking a bmw and making it better. Now super is the ultimate driving machine that bmw has always wanted
I'm happy that we got a fordable BMW that you can mod which is a good thing
Damn it's bugging me that people are calling the Toyota Supra a BMW Z4. It shares the chasis and engine. It's still a car developed 50% by Toyota. Also yeah, the engine is BMW made, but the 2JZ design was by Yamaha. Good day.
Not only is it engine and chassis, its control arms and interior too so basically its not just similar it is literally the same car.
Infinity man I believe the Head was Yamaha designed specifically the Block Toyota
@@SaWuDOHC It's BMW parts but Toyota put them there. The Supra is being built in Austria where BMW already delivers parts to. Using BMW parts makes the Supra cheaper but Toyota still designed the car
Sa Wu it’s deffo not the same car if you watch the car wow race between them hahaha
Yamaha is a Toyota Brand
I’m a porter at a Toyota dealership, can’t wait til we get a few supras
Trevor Myers lmao
They didn't want to get bmw angry by listing the supra with more power than the z4
The BMW Z4 is underrated also
@@williamwilson5125 yes but it cost alot more
@@mooeing 63k for the Z4 and 55k for a top of the line Toyota Supra. The 8k difference is substantiated in the upgraded interior, convertible roof and host of options available to the Z4 and not accessible to the Supra.
also remember the car comes stock with a rear end on which you can bolt on a giant wing and giant intakes on the front, behind which you can stick the largest intercooler you can find.
The depth of the box areas of the frame/chassis is also high adding a lot to rigidity.
It has a lot going for it.
Too bad it's really costly to put manual transmission on it.
@@YuShawStang why would you want to?
it has the best auto gearbox on the market. Same one is in top end Aston Martins and the like.
It's also likely Toyota will drop one down the line to satisfy nostalgic luddites.
@@dfpguitar Can you drive MT well ?
@@YuShawStang I have only ever driven MT like most people in Europe.
To be honest I don't even like driving lol, my interest in vehicles is from the engineering and design angle.
Good modern ATs are far superior in performance and efficiency than MT so it doesn't make sense to put MT in. Any sort of performance car is sold through its benchmarks for speed, acceleration and getting around tracks on TV/CZcams shows.
Manual would make it slower.
And besides you can still shift manually with paddles.
Before you complain about not being directly mechanically connected to the gearbox, drivers aren't directly mechanically controlling anything in a modern car. Not the gas pedal, brakes, or even steering. All of it is digital.
I can understand the pleasure of operating something more mechanically raw and direct, but if you really wanted that you'd have to drive something no newer than the early 1980s.
@@dfpguitar You answer my debate from first sentence. When I got my rental car from Enterprise, I was mad not able to do heel toe.
Please keep your argument precise, and not drag too long.
To do a 3.9 0-60 I knew this car had more hp than was stated. Seems like Toyota used a play out of the old BMW playbook once again. BTW Great video!
Well its BMW lol
3.8
Underrating hp has been done by gm,Ford, and Dodge all the way back in the 1960s. Originally done for insurance purposes.
@@chadboutchyard2339 yeah the 60s were good years for American cars but they fell off for a significant time thereafter
What was the elevation? What was the temp? Was it a dyno jet, mustang, or another brand dyno? What was the correction factor on that particular dyno? There are way too many factors to assume that its truly that over rated power wise.
Jeff Dean All too true. To many variations. The problem with wheel horsepower which was explained by HPA Motorsports. Is that it is also inconsistent because traction factors on varying surfaces. Crank power is always the same. I used HPA to build my Audi and trust them wholeheartedly.
Facts
Dynojet, it says so at the bottom right corner of the chart. Hence why it made so much more. That is right around 335 hp on a Mustang. Numbers seem dead on to me.
@@halo3sn1p3r I missed that. It also doesn't show elevation or the CF
people who only care about hp/cost should just buy american muscle cars. people who actually appreciates cars as a whole package have a lot more options
What's wrong with muscle cars? Your portentous is showing.
@@Turshin there's nothing wrong with muscle cars. But they have been tipically centered around horsepower. Weight, balance, suspension etc were not priorities with the older muscle cars, only the newer ones (from around 2010)
Last I checked the Camaro and mustang have pretty nice looking interiors even the new challenger. As for power new 5.0 make 500hp out of baby mods and running 11.4s. So bang for the buck and nice interior I'd say there is more out there. Rather push for vette for that amount.
This is normal with bmw, this is not new, they always tell less horsepower than it actually is
Agreed this is nothing more than a rebranded bmw
I agree with that and this car is no exception of that
Hahaha now everyone is realizing how good this car can be
Not all manufacturers measure from the crank.
Mk4 supra for Japan rated at 280hp same car to the UK was rated at 330hp
same car, different ecu´s... just like the Celica GT-S in europe, same engine, 180hp, in Europe, same engine, 192hp
@@RAFAGaming11 there's a bit more to it than that. Uk car had different turbos and bigger injectors, plus rear diff oil coolers. Also JDM imports were also being dynoed at around 320 to the wheels.
I don't know about the UK version but the U.S. 2JZGTE had slightly bigger ceramic turbos then the Japanese spec 2JZ, if I remember correctly. Also the U.S. version has bigger injectors then the JDM 2JZ
@@boostjunkie2320 UK cars also got glass headlights and bigger brakes all round and the hood scoop too. Toyota switched to the bigger brakes and glass lights fir JDM cars in the last 2 years of production
Nice review and spot on explanation between Crank and Wheel horsepower. 👍🏽
2003-2004 svt cobra comes to mind. Ford rated the car at 390, but it actually makes about 420 from factory.
And was hard as Hell to put the power to the ground without a street slick. That single axle suspension was the worst. Too much wheel hop to be effective or come anywhere near the times of this stock Mark V Supra in the 1/4 mile without being modded.
Four twenty!
The late 80's Early 90's Mazda MX6 Turbo was another understated HP car. The nunbers those boosted cars made at the track/street did not equal 145BHP
The funny thing is the new supra is powered by a BMW power house so I'm not surprised with the gains here.
martin read wait til you have to fix it
Great content, no dig on you. The Supra was on an AWD dyno. I checked your comments and others saw this too. When I've seen cars ( in person ) rear wheel drive on an AWD dyno. The front tires do not move with the rear at the same speed, if that was the case then I would think the numbers would really be off. I'm not saying there isn't different types of dyno's that work differently, but think it would be at a cost. There would be lost as the front would be a drag and messing with thus belt between 2 rollers. I just think something is Sketchy with the video you obtained. Not blaming you. I could be totally wrong, but the dyno I know that is AWD, you can make it front, rear or AWD. You can turn on and off each. Keep up the good work. No knock on your hard work or your video just think something else is going on here.
Oh yeah no problem! Seems like a lot of people are noticing the front wheels spinning lol.
It truly distracted me from you making your point. I totally understand where you are coming from. It all does make sense. It's just when I saw the front wheels spinning. I thought something fishy going on here.
I noticed that too.. they're clearly spinning fast on those rollers.. why is that? If it's rwd? Shouldn't matter what Dyno ur using.. it's sketchy
The supra is going to end up bigger than the BMW Z4 and M2, all due to the supra scene tuning them. And then even BMW guys will be like "i'm buying the supra and modding that"
And let's not forget that the Supra is racing since the second half of 2018.
But when it come to the realization that the Supra ain't nothing but a Z4 coupe
Since when did Pete Davidson start reviewing cars?
My brothers 140i with the b58 engine same as the Toyota supra and same power standard aparently. But it made 360bhp standard. And with only a decat exhaust and tune it made 473bhp-415whp and 503lbft at the engine. No race fuel just shell Vpower 99ron
Well, isnt that special..😂
Not bad. Not amazing either. The 2JZ-GTE did about the same with bolt ons.
@@Kevhoe but 2j never got choked by emission standarts, right?
Let's not forget that two of the most popular dynos in use in tuning shops everywhere provide radically different results. I wish dynos had any sort of consistency.
I’m no gear head but with the seemingly amazing handling this looks like it will be great for drifting which if I can convince the Mrs, will be my car of choice over the competing cars in this range.
Do itttt
Well, German cars are rated at the wheels and underrated to reduce registration taxes in many European countries
Well its 90+% bmw so.. 🤣
fastboatster, that is absolutely incorrect. No vehicle sold in the US is rated at the wheels. They all have standards they have to follow and they all are engine dynos.
@@EK-rr2md still, you have to pay more for registration for more powerful car in many European countries. Can you point to any documents describing the requirement to rate the car at the crank? I understand that EPA does measure vehicle's emissions on the dyno, but don't they just either accept manufacturer's hp rating or conversion from the wheel to crank hp. Fact is, many euro vehicles output more than claimed hp on the dyno.
@@fastboatster Auto manufacturers in the US follow the SAE J1349 standard which requires the engine to be tested under specific conditions on an engine dyno. There are separate EU, Japan, etc standards that are used for cars that are driven on their roads and they also use engine dynos (JIS D 1001, 80/1269/EEC, etc). Germany also had one called DIN 70020).
@@EK-rr2md well, I looked up the sae standard and it's voluntary. So not all the manufacturers provide Sae certified hp ratings
Everyone who knows anything about cars doesnt care about hp, its the accelleration, handling, braking and so on thats relevant.
Asmir Sut I’m with ya there buddy. Peak numbers don’t really tell you anything about how the car’s performance is going to feel to the driver. Modern media puts wayyy too much emphasis on peak numbers. Look at professional racers, especially drag racers, most don’t even know exactly how much power their car makes. They don’t care, they have a general idea what power range they are in but all they focus on is did the car run quicker or not
@@KingOath Exactly. The BMW M4 is a very good example of this fenomenom. On paper it has everything but irl it's a different story.
Why is everyone obsessed with horsepower numbers is the car enjoyable to drive and dose it look good is all that should matter if you want a dedicated race car it's going to have to be built anyway so again how good is the chassis and over all moter itself HP numbers are a pissing contest
That new motor is unreal and just as good as the 2jz.
Yes it is.
Have a look at the link below if you haven't seen it?
m.czcams.com/video/MckxlP60cnY/video.html
Stephan Papadakis of Papadakis Racing shows you a complete strip down of the new Supra engine.
You won't waste your time like I did watching this rubbish.
SRT has done this for nearly every car they made. It's a cool way to give owners some Dyno excitement.
Yea but does dodge suck not the engine . Engine is a fucken beast but after that the car is a piece of crap
I have seen a new Supra on the road with dealer stickers in the windows.
And i must say...
It truly is a gorgeous car..
But it is not a Supra.
They really should have badged it as the new Celica
Okay I'm open to that 😊
Why? I mean, the most famous celicas are little fastbacks with a 4 cylinder engine and awd. I don't see any similarities between the new supra and a Celica
Carlos Garcia haha people said the same thing when the mk4 came out, now that’s all they want
Pat people may have said the same thing about looks when the mk4 came out. but absolutely nobody in the right mind had any complaints about the powertrain in that car. don’t compare an actual toyota to a rebadged z4
Draymond For MVP rebadged z4 when it handles nothing like a z4 haha. And yes they did, they said “it was a true Supra.” But I guess your dads friends cousin must’ve told you that.
Crazy toyota LIES to us 330HP,but turn out more hp.😂
MongolK1Ng L0G1C why you make it sound bad its making more than what it was said to be
@@synretro it is bad. Very when big company lies. Very bad.
@@synretro I ALREADY BUY A ZO6 C7 CORVVET. IF TOYOTA DON'T LIE. I BUY SUPRA. IT'S TOO LATE NOW.
MongolK1Ng L0G1C but it was literally tgem understanting their numbers he literally explained it during the video..
@@synretro ONE MISTIC LOST ALOT OF COSTOMES. NO EXCUSES.
My 2 ton 6.4 srt charger puts 410 ft lb of torque at the wheel. Damn!
Not many ppl think about the major fudge factor included with dyno readings, correction factors. So no, this Supra actually didn’t make that power to the wheels, it was a calculation of what it would make in a standardized, nearly impossible, perfect environment. On top of that a less than scrupulous dyno operator can further alter that correction factor to even further boost the readings of a vehicle on their dyno. Just take any dyno number with a grain of salt unless they show that there was no correction factor input. Then the numbers are what the car actually made that day, sorry air and all.
Toyota won big on this deal. They kept most toyota fans and stole a bunch of bmw fans.
Haha I am one of em
Another very underrated car from factory is the mk7 golf gti. Ratted at 210 hp, dynoed at 230whp!!! Despite supra fans hating on the new mk5, it's starting to grow on me and I might actually get one just to piss off the fan boys. Can't wait to see what this car can make with full bolt ons and tuned on e85, maybe 500whp!!!
And we'll be laughing at you when you keep getting check engine lights and when you get smoked by a real Supra at the light! 😂😂
@@thanxshaq horsepower per horsepower, this thing will smoke the old supra anytime of the week. Wait til tuners get this thing to 1000whp+, mk4 fans will all be begging for one. Then I'll be the one laughing at you
Just with a jb4 tune and a downpipe this thing will make almost 500hp
@@thanxshaq tbh the mk5s built for its own purposes. And just comparing the 2 stock vs Stock the mk5 slaughters the mk4 at just about everything but reliability(since we don't know how reliable it is) but modding it for hp is unknown for now but if we're going to use both for track the mk5s going to slaughter the mk4 even more. Mainly the mk4 sales were just terrible while the mk5s already said to be sold out in Japan and Europe already(and possibly Australia)while the mk4 barely sold at all in any of those places. Thing is the mk5 can be in used for things the mk4 was never really good at like track for example. Not sure why everyone's so fed up about it not being some stupid drag monster when it's just goung to be useless for just about everything else if they built it like that.
Mk4 supra purists gonna hate
Those same purists make me want to LS swap one. Just to make them "wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy"
Yep still hate it regardless of any numbers it makes. I have owned two generations and this is not a Toyota or a Supra. Thanks for understanding us purists.
@@cjmunnee3356 *Is ThAt A jOjO rEfErEnCe?*
@Vegard Ulven Ya caught me. I figured I'd try one after seeing them all over the internet. Have a good one, man.
I’m a bmw fan. I was disappointed Toyota said they were not going to put a 3jz in it. I get it shares a lot of stuff with bmw. But people are saying it’s trash when it hasn’t even been put in a dealership yet or they haven’t even driven one yet. My car comes with the n54 and it can handle 800hp on stock internals and it’s a open deck. The b58 is a CLOSED deck just like the 2jz. So what if it has a bmw motor in it, it still is going to be a great car. Before some people say “iTs NoT gOiNg tO bE rEliable”, Toyota made sure to make it as reliable. BMW would show Toyota the B58 and anything that would not be unreliable and they made BMW improve it. This is going to be a good car (other then the fact it’s a automatic 😑). The b58 will be just as good as the 2jz.
Can’t wait to see if they keep producing new year models of the a90 after 2020. A 2023 Supra would be nice🤤
there never should’ve even been an a90.
Draymond For MVP how come🤔
Jalen Jay Ruiz remaking a car that went out of production nearly 20 years ago is an obvious cash grab and will never settle with the true fans of the car. you can see this with the nsx also, except that’s different considering they actually made their own car.
Draymond For MVP the car has been in design since as far back as 2014 and announced they would partner with bmw on the car in 2015-16 so it’s been a while they’ve worked on the car and even if the a80 is outdated that’s why they worked to make a modern version of this car while keeping original elements of the 90s to please their old heads and gain new younger customers who might’ve also liked the a80 but could never get one when they were little
Draymond For MVP as far as cash grab. If they wanted it for cash only they would’ve put out the car themselves without partnership and would’ve sold it at way more than what it’s currently priced. As far and the NSX I never liked their cars in the first place. They tried to hard at making abstract and out of place cars that it didn’t do as well. There is still a market that they are trying to please by making the a90 and this is the first model only so that’s why I hope they do better updating the cars in the coming years
I don't think 400HP counts as "Huge".
DJBATMANGOLD, Have you ever driven a car? 400 HP is huge for a coupe like that.
Think more of power to weight. 400 ain't much on a Camaro or mustang. Cause of weight issues.
Jesus Rosales, The sixth gen Mustang is a bit more heavier than the MK5. Nit sure about the Camaro, But, The Supra seems a bit more stiffer from the reviews I’ve seen. I shouldn’t talk too much, as I myself haven’t even seen one in real life, or even driven one. But, I’m still sticking with the thing I said before.
That's fine, still 400 ain't alot. I'm putting down more then 480 to the wheel on my fifth gen Camaro spank new Camaro and mustang's. My Instagram rjesus1994 got some vids their. 400 isn't alot. For the weight of this car it does justice. Put that in my fifth gen probably be stuck at 13 flat on a 1/4 mile. I'm running 12.5 on a bad day with no tires.
I like Cars for every kind. It’s not huge for 50k
I feel like they could have at least added a manual.
Yet again it might come in the future
Autos sell faster so their doing autos first but there in the works with the Manuel as we speak.
there are manual m240i with the b58. i almost bought one for 3k at an auction. my friend ended up buying it because no one knew what it was. rebuilt the body of the car with the m235i parts
the supra most likely has been made to have high boost in low gears for 0-60
@@erickromero010 damn, 3k for m240i is very good if damage was repairable
Manuel..... Toyota's Mexican cousin.
@@theonlym12 😂
I've seen the new Supra on the road as well and prior (judging from photos) i thought less of it as a Supra. Seeing it in person, I have to chalk up and say it is a modern Supra. Looks good and apparently from owners reviews there is something to be said about driving experince compared to other cars.
Everyone should ditch the crappy rebadged BMW Zupra and just buy the new 2020 Corvette instead since its about the same price range, mid engine like a real exotic super car and even way faster!!
Good video, I just want to mention that 10-15% drivetrain loss is VEEERY optimistic. You can get usually closer to 18% on RWD vehicles and 22-25% on AWD and 4x4 vehicles. It also depends if the dyno you are measuring on is a 4x4 ot a RWD dyno only. You can measure a RWD car on a 4x4 dyno which causes higher losses.
What /\ guy said. The numbers you are saying was the general rule, 20 years ago....
Without Supra I wouldn't be master driver
😂😂😂
I cant believe people are getting pissed about this "lie".. manufactures do this because of regulations and such. Ford did it with the 03-04 Cobra, saying it makes a respectable 390hp from factory, when people went to go dyno the cobras they were coming out with like 415 or even reaching closer to the 440hp ranges. Pretty much all your favorite car companies have lied about their power number at least once. It's not that big of a let down, unless they are over rating the numbers. But if they are saying it's making 300+ but in reality it's making 400+ why be mad?
Good coverage treats! I also love the BMW content in this video ;) the Supra MKV has a BMW motor after all
It is a BMW...
James Wedding technically it’s still branded as a Toyota and made in Toyota’s factories but BMW helped design the motor
I've liked the new Supra since it was unveiled. Seems like people are slowly hopping on the ship 👍
Bmw powertrains have always understand their hp.
Ken X Engwish pwease
I would still 2JZ swap it
Vincent Bumm well someone already did it on a prototype
It was more like the put a 2j in an empty supra shell. Not really a swap just a build.
I know it was here in Tokyo for Daigo Saito. My buddy was there at the track in Ebisu when they first ran it
No wonder it can easily beat a z4 despite having the same exact engine. They probably were too lazy to check how powerful it was after they tuned it and put BMW's numbers lol
“I JUST DYNOED THIS BMW Z4 AND GOT HIGHE NUMBERS THAN FACTORY. You do realize that there’s dozens of kinda of dynos? You dyno a car BUT YET DONT EVEN DISCLOSE WHAT KIND OF DYNO IT IS. That alone throws out this video 100% because every kind of dyno will have 100% different numbers. This is a 100% bogus dyno test 😂
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IF TOYOTA TOLD US THE TRUTH, THEN NOBODY WANTS TO BUY THE OVERPRICED MONEY PIT BMW Z4.
Wouldn't that make the Supra a money pit too? Same drivertain etc..
@@LeonidaeNO. BOTH COMPANIES TUNE THEIR CARS DIFFERENTLY. EVEN THOUGH THEY BOTH USE THE SAME ENGINE, DRIVETRAIN AND OTHER PARTS. TOYOTA MAKES THEIR CAR MUCH MORE RELIABLE THAN BMW AT A LOWER COST.
@@riph5611 wait i thought tuning only changes the characteristic of a machine.. sure the supra's engine can be a bit more reliable because of the more tamed tune compared to the z4 but.. only a tad bit more reliable (because car company won't likely to go crazy on the tune of an engine for a consumer grade car), it all comes down to the base material and process that they put into the engine (which is identical for both cars's engine) so.. i have to disagree..
I hit the gong after about 20 seconds.
why in the dyno footage you see the 4 wheels spinning? is this an AWD supra? Am I missing something here? wtf?
Sketchy...
I noticed that too.. idk what other reason it would be doing that if it wasn't awd.. something is off about this cuz all 4 wheels are clearly spinning and if I'm not mistaken the front wheels look like they're on rollers also
It's an awd dyno with a rwd car on it.
@@TreatsOnTheStreetsrwd cars push the front rollers for awd dynos ?
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Okay? Can't you delink the rollers to only spin the rear instead of all 4 wheels? Pretty sure there's a mode to allow that.. Also Why even dyno a rwd car on a awd dyno anyway? I would think that since it's on an awd dyno and it's a rwd car the calculation wouldn't be as accurate.. I'd dyno it on the correct dyno for another run and see what the difference is.. Also isn't that a dynojet? I have a 98 big single turbo trans am that when I was tuning it I dynoed it on a dynojet than a mustang dyno another day and the numbers were significantly different between the 2.. There wasn't any difference in determining factors for power loss either like altitude, temp, tire size etc.. I'd run it again and see what happens
Dynojet numbers...Every car makes more power on a Dynojet. That would put it right around 335hp on a mustang.
yeah I seem another dyno 339
1:23 you pretty much are doing BMW content...
You mean the new BMW z4 coupe right? *running
BMW lied to Toyota, there I fixed it for you. 🤓
@davidrx795 it's still a BMW Z4 and doesn't have game, Toyota really screwed the pooch this time "Oh What A Feeling!" Lol! And you're welcome. 🤓
It don’t matter if Toyota did not approach BMW we wouldn’t have these absolute power machines. All I’m saying is be thankful that these things exist and stop fighting over who’s better. It all comes to personal preference, it’s either that you are a Bimmer fanboy of a Toyota fanboy. The Germans built the Supra so thank them instead of absolutely obliterating them. If Toyota was told to build a Supra by themselves it would be more focused on fuel economy rather than performance. 😁
@@edmusick7794 ever drove the fucking car?
I think Toyota was fucking with us and advertising wheel horsepower
339 wheel hp? So pretty much right on what they said at 335hp
Stated hp is crank. 339 at the wheel is about 400 hp crank.
Ppl talk smack about this car so much ,but they ask me where’s the Supra i take there asses to the showroom and show them the car and they drop their pants faster than it does 0-60 lol
....we know what we are doing .... :) Lowering the price
rusty shakelferg who’s we ? And who’s lowering the price?
I love how this guy only compared it to bmws, because he knows it’s a bmw.
Why do you think I like it?? 🤣 You get BMW performance and handling with Toyota reliability. A match made in heaven.
MOPAR is king in understanding HP numbers.
lol but chevy still makes faster cars with less horsepower
@@ibrahimk7877 somtimes yes they are faster. normally their lighter than the MOPAR tanks. So the best situation is to put a MOPAR engine in a Chevy like Mike Finnigan and his blasHEMI 55 Bellaire.
What's is this? The 90s? 🙏🙏🤞🤣
Pft, they did that in the 60's... Purposely underrating power isn't 20/30 years old.
Obviously I'm a BMW guy so honestly can't actually say what the numbers should be once a tune is done, however I would like to see someone do a comparing of the performance and drive train compared to any BMW performance model.🤔
All this, is assuming that manufacturers quote the horse-power at the crank, which is unusable in real-life, and mis-leading.
Crank hp doesn't mean shit
It's all about the wheel hp
exactly, you could have 2000 crank horsepower but if only 50 of those make it to the wheels, it's pretty pointless.
@@jordanlazarus7345 yeah and then there are different dynos and mustang dyno will give -50hp less
@@j0lel666 well no two dynos are the same for sure you have that right. I've seen mustang dynos read 100 horsepower high and I've seen some read 200 horsepower too low. People like to talk numbers too much on the internet however I get that it's sometimes hard to find people to race.
@@jordanlazarus7345 i trust jack cecils words and he has mustang dyno and it shows 20-50hp less than other dynos
@@j0lel666 Every single dyno is calibrated a bit differently, it's just a tuning tool after all.
Moot point … in a world were every car is making stated power at the rear wheels. The playing field is equal in this case. Supra has 335 hp. vs BMWs 400hp. the BMW still has more if we are talking rear wheel power … The Supra still has less horsepower than the BMW !
All those new Supra hater, probably couldn't afford it nor they have the older Supra. They just jump the bandwagon and hate it.
They Hate it cuz we all were waiting for A 3JZ
It is without a doubt a lot better than the mk4 in every aspect. The mk4 set a standard and the only advantage it has over the mk5 is the reliability since we don’t know how the mk5 will be in terms of reliability
Alot of people conplain about bmw and Toyota partnering with this car but i believe the old 2jz power supra was built with bmw too
umm... you may want to do your research before you comment that lol. bmw had nothing to do with the 2j.
Toyota wanna surprise us them hidden powers under the hoods.
😂
Good edit man , I am aware of the discrepancy I have an 08 GT500 i know it wasn't 500 wheel .Today it's 640 wheel but it was actually closer to 460 wheel stock.
Funny you say that. I almost used the mustang as an example instead of the hellcat.
This guy does give away the right way
one JB4 tune that is for BMW will do the trick the Z4 rims looks better I wonder if they can fit.
RLDigital the bolt pattern is the same (BMW), so they’ll fit.
The supra should have been designed to compete with the GTR as it did back n the day
It's not a Toyota, it's a BMoyota. 😂
I'm confused why was it on an awd Dyno?
Probably because that is just the type of dyno the shop they went to had.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets okay your content looks interesting so I gave you a sub
Welcome to the channel man!
Sketchy....
I dont really like this 10%-15% drivetrain loss idea. For instance, lets say my car in stock form loses 20hp through the drivetrain. I decide to turbo the car and thats it, adding 100hp at the crank. If you go by this drivetrain loss idea, you would calculate a higher number than 20hp being lost through the drivetrain, which in all actuality isnt true, as it still would only take 20hp to move the mass of my drivetrain.
Most of the people that didn't like the new Supra probably never drove a Supra before. This new Supra is intense.
Everybody is hating on the new supra. Toyota overbuilt the Supra engine and left the modding up to the owner to keep the price down. Even the designer said there are a lot of things they could have done but to keep the cost down they didn't. The new Supra is designed for a tuner. When people start buying and modding these things their gonna be amazed at what numbers these put out
As broke as I am I want one so badly thanks to you 🔥🔥🔥🔥
But it ain't a Japanese engine, bulletproof
jimmy cychowski
Exactly. It'll be about as reliable and sought after on the pre-owned market as BMWs are...😂
Not every Japanese motor is bulletproof, and bmw has had plenty of strong motors. Keep listening to your buddies that dont know shit tho. Spread false rumors 😂😂😂
Refillz * please state to me a Toyota built engine that is not, its in their DNA mate what they are renowned for, all im saying is and no one will not disagree, Toyota builds more reliable engines than BMW , this supposed to be a Supra , a hero vehicle for Toyota, with heritage and love to it that the fans Have been waiting for, not a rebadged BMW in another skin
Refillz *
It's pretty simple buddy, resale shows reliability. There's a reason a 10 year old camry is worth as much as a 10 year old 5 series. And people actually want a 10 year old camry, where as the 5 series ends up on buy here pay here lot in the bad part of town before sitting in a driveway broke down for a few years and ending up in a junkyard.
Lol can’t beat the new C8 😅 with z51 package .
Don’t forget, the government owns the EPA... the EPA says if a car has more than “X” amount of horsepower, you pay “X” dollars for environmental impacts. PETA also has some stuff to say.
Honestly. I don’t really care about its HP or the fact that it came in Automatic. But the fact that the predecessor, the A80, is on par with R34 and the original NSX, the 300-ish HP is rather disappointing. It got outclassed. We won’t get the modern JDM trifecta.
90's gentlemen agreement vibes
Also audio porn in 8:46
Awd ?
No rwd
@@williamwilson5125 that's what I thought but saw the fronts spinning
It's on an awd dyno so basically the rear wheels spin the rear rollers and the rear rollers are connected to the front rollers
@@TreatsOnTheStreets ok thanks makes alot of sense
The Supra isn't AWD, so you're adding 15% when with the transmission it has it is almost certainly more like 10%. DCT's and brand new automatic's are extremely low power loss. It is somewhere around 370-380 crank horsepower.
I think what hurt the new Supra was that they dropped such a beautiful concept version. Everyone thought that a lot of the concept version was going to make the production line 😆 I will say that I believe a company will make a really sick wide body kit for the new Supra AKA BMW roadster 😂