High aspect VS Low aspect foil | How to choose
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2021
- When it come to picking the right foil for you, there is a lot to consider. In this video, we go over the difference between low aspect and high aspect foils. One isn't necessarily better than the other, but they actually complement each other really well. Think of it like an air plane and the difference between a fighter jet and a glider.
Hopefully this information helps you pick the right hydrofoil for your sport, whether it's kiteboarding, wing foiling, surf foiling, etc...
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Love your vids! From the UK here.
It took me a while to understand what was high and low aspect until I realised it is 'Aspect Ratio' that people talk about. The relationship between the length and width.
Awesome, thank you! We tried to break it down in simple terms! Sure hope it helped...... Have a great weekend...
Thank you Damien,Gwen and Harry for helping me live my better life this year. Surfing in NorCal is getting more popular as I get older and out of shape therefore I was losing my stoke...but now I'm excited to be a kook again and try something new. Thanks for your positive input. You guys rock!
Thank you for the info! Love the channel and I appreciate the information a lot. 2021 is all about positive energy and living my best life. Super stoked to begin this journey learning process of this amazing new sport!
Amen!
VERY well done! Straight to the point and covered so much! Thank you 🙏
Thank you Trent! We are trying........
Amazing video! Clear and simple... amazing explanation of the basics and really helpful! Keep it up
Really happy we could help!
Most information I have read or watched advocate for lower aspect (but big) foils for learning wing foiling, because of the low stall speed and early lifting, and say to reserve the high aspect foils for when you have more experience.
Spot on
Great explanation. Totally on point with all the various examples. Super helpful. Thanks :-)
Thank you friend! Glad it's helpful!
Finally found a simple video to explain the high vs low aspect :D Thanks!
Thank you!
Awesome videos. I'm learning a lot from you 😀
Thank you!
Thanks Damo 👌 that was super helpful 😊
Glad it helped! Thank you!
Nice job explaining wing and stability dynamics. ;)
Glad you liked it! Lots more to come! Thank you!
Great video, very helpful to a new foiler like myself
Glad it helped! Thank you for following along.
I think it is information that all of us who are starting in this sport with so much adrenaline need and we have to learn by throwing out or with blows and we take advantage of people like you who share your experience in these sport so exciting.
Tanks
Jose, Thanks for the kind words just out to make it a little easier for everyone....Have a great day!
high aspect means more speed, not more lift. Lift is the wing-area. Sorry mate, but you got some important things wrong in this video. Low aspect usually associated with more lift and less speed, though not always, depends on the design. Also, you are showing two wings of highly different wing-span, which is even more confusing your viewers.
Hi, do you know about lift in connection with aspect ratio? The lower the AR the bigger the surface you must have to get the same lift? 🤙
Very informative. Thank you 😁
Great to hear thank you!
Thanks man!
good stuff. everything you are saying is right - but i think you need to remake this in light of what high aspect foils look like now :)
Agreed! Things are changing so quickly!
good job!
Learned more is 4 seconds of this video than in 3 weeks of A&P school
So happy we could help, thank you we appreciate you!
Great help! Thanks. A video on different curves/forms of the foils would be helpful.
Thank you!
Excellent you have given me a lot of important information I would have liked you to explain the positions on the board
Position of the board is tricky as all foils are different but great point we will add it to the list! Thank you!
Sweet. Thanks Damo. Making sense of all this. It’s like I’m back to being a total newb, and it’s fun!
Happy we could help! Crazy part is it keeps changing so fast! It's still evolving.
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Yeah dude, it reminds me of the early days of kiteboarding. I'm happy to be back. Ironically, I didn't come back through kiteboarding... I randomly bought some windsurfing gear from this dude in San Diego, since that's how I started anyway in Puerto Rico back in the day. I found a spot to ride, and everyone was on foils. So I figured that was the next thing for me. Glad to see you are doing well man.
Great channel!
Thank you Dave we appreciate you!
good video. thanks.
Thank you too!
It would be interesting to hear more commentary on the back stabilisers as the role these play in the feel of a setup can be dramatic. Such things as width, cord, area, unturned tips vs flat, etc.
Shannon, We may have to make a very informative video. This was just the basics...... Thank you
Hi Damien. Could you do another video on what foiling kit is best for Men's grooming 🙂
Nice one! It would be great to see a similar video about different board designs. Some wing boards have large cut outs on the tail and some don't....what's the difference/pros & cons? Ditto for other board design characteristics. What are the trade-offs using a crossover SUP/Wing board vs a pure version for each those disciplines?
Great questions! I think all companies are learning fast and changes are happening very fast.. We will hope to see if we can help you with this as it evolves....
Congrats, tks for share
Thank you Renato!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams As a suggestion, you can explain that low/high aspect also apply for kites.
@@RenatoHaddadMVP Its all the same just with a kite you have power so you can run smaller foils "wings" as you have plenty of power in your hands to generate speed and lift. As for all the reset it is the same on a kite.... For instance... I foil surf a 200HA wing. Bigger and lots of glide. I kite foil a 100 or 950 as I have power. I can use the 200HA with a kite but it will get overpowered fast or I have to ride a 4m in 12knots... :)
VERY GOOD THE VIDEO EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCES.
I AM BEGINNING TO PRACTICE WINGSURF, WHICH FRONT WING WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ME TO START AND THEN ONE FOR WHEN I WANT TO DO JUMPS. THANKS
Javier Thank you! honestly I would stick to high aspect, it seams to be able to do it all, just personal preference.....
Another super informative video thank you
Thank you!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams I haven’t seen a video specifically about what harness you recommend for kite foiling? I’d also like to know your opinion on what is the best bar some of my friends are using thousand dollar carbon fiber bars made in Switzerland what is your opinion?
@@paul-akers Here is a harness video! czcams.com/video/r_i1s9aMTTY/video.html. As for the bars I don't have enough time on them to comment on it yet. Soon friend.
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Specifically for kite foiling
@@paul-akers Paul, I see! When it comes to kiting I always recommend going in to a local shop and trying them on as everyones body is different and band does not matter, its all about the fit! My honest opinion. Comfort is key!
Great videos. I am looking for a new foil setup and wonder if my current NP CRX (same parts as the old Cabrinha Double Agent) masts and base plates are compatible with the new Fusion 2020+ Cabrinha system?
I don't believe so Casey! The foil evolution changes fast, just sell your old unit and upgrade... That is your best bet in my eyes.
Love the videos and the message. I'm 85 kg in cold water and just starting on a 125 L board. 5 m wing. I haven't pulled the trigger on a foil yet, but have foiled behind a boat, and been surfing for 20 + years. ( Oh yeah, still recovering from a grade 3 fib tib ;) ) High med low aspect, size? Thanks for the love in advance!
Hope you heal up fast brother! I would recommend a foil around the 2000 range High Aspect for sure... Done deal! Maybe a 70cm mast and you are ready to jam!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Thanks Damien, much, much, appreciated!
@@t7639 Thank you!
Thanks so much, I am winging on a 1700 Med/High AS foil and looking for a smaller foil for stronger winds and starting to ride is waves/swell. I am 83kg and very confident on my current foil. I am in a dilemma between going for a LA foil for carving turns and transitions) v a HS foil as I am mostly in slow low power waves and love to just flag the wing and pump, Any advice?
Go High Aspect! So good.... You will never look back!
Hi!! thanks a lot for your videos!! I need some advice, Im looking for sonar 1450 hi aspect, and I would like to know if is good for begginers (75-85kgs) in hi wind conditions (20-25 knots). I like go fast but I like the freestyle too (jumping)
Rodrigo, I have never used it so I cannot comment my brother. Wish I could but would not want to give you bad info. Sorry friend.
@@DamienLeroyCZcams no problem my friend, thanks for answer 🤙
check out mid- aspects by cloud9 foils, best all all around foils, fast, pumps and turns really good
Thank you!
5:17 "these are literally flying airplanes" Crap, I've been doing it wrong!
They sure are..... :)
Hi Damien, i am member of you youtube channel and i love it's . Thk to share your passion. I got a Question. it's me second year on WingFoil i got a big foil 1900. I am looking for a more speed foil and control for average wind 20mph, i am 5.7 / 145p. I got a 6 and 4m wing. did i should buy the 1600 or 1300 X Cab X serie. with mast 70 or 90cm. I like the 1300 because i can kitefoil with , so just one foil quiver for travel. What you thinks. ? Also, i will be in Cocoa Beach in a month, did you have Cab Demo arround this place ? Sorry i am french Canadian so me english is no very good. Aloha Stef ;-)
Stephane, Great question! I would say the tricky part with wing/kite is kite you don't need a lot of glide and lift on a foil as you have power with the kite. Wing is the opposite and you need lift and power unless its really windy! I think the 800Ha "your smaller" or 1000ha could be magic! The 1300 is great but will be more draggy but will work. Its tricky again! A fun kite foil is the 950, 1300 works for lighter winds but is a little draggy as it's a mid/low aspect wing. The HA 800, 1000 will be much faster and more what you are looking for on a wing. To have one foil for both you will sacrifice something if that makes sense!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Thk Damien for your reply, i will like to try a HA foil before buy because i still a average Joe Wingeur ;-) Thk again for all your vidéo . Aloha Stef
If you want to learn about foils with an incredible, scientific, mathematical breakdown check out the channel Foiling NY. Devon mostly pumps his foils and does what he calls 'wake thieving'. His descriptions are great but maybe a little overload for the brain. He does an amazing job comparing and analyzing foil performance. He mostly pumps or wake surfs them but he also built a bungee launch mechanism.
We may have to make one! :) Thanks Pete
So can i buy a high aspect to learn wing on?
Sure can and is recommended.......
How much it cost for high aspect wing like the set up you showed?
www.liftfoils.com
Newbie here.... The main thing I'd like to learn is wing foil, but the boat wake surfing/pumping looks fun too. if I start with a cheaper, used, large volume beginner board (like 130L) and then move to a nicer smaller board ( say 100L for example) can that one board be used for everything if I were to just swap out foils for different situations?
A 100L board will be a bit big to ride behind the boat or flat water pump, but it’s perfect for winging for sure 👌
@@DamienLeroyCZcams I did a poor job of framing my question. Let's say you have a 200 lb guy with intermediate foiling experience. Can he wing and flat water pump/wake thief on the same board, just by swapping out foils, or does he need two different boards?
@@Bham67 Well I would say you can use it but it will not be ideal for say a beach start as it will be so think to hold. If you prone foil it and get going on a wave, or say like you ask being on a boat wave for sure you can pump it on flat water once up on foil, it is just a larger board will work but smaller is nice and more fun as you get better. But to answer your question it can work but there is a trade off!
Pump, wave, wing, behind the boat... who do that all?
It’s all only confusing.
I kitefoil about 120 days now with cabrinha double agent 2018.
Low wind 6 to 11 knots with big tube kite ride slow.
I thought to get an update and easier progression change to an hirise lift or carve.
But now it’s all gone from cabrinha website show only big masts and wings for wingfoiling.
Nothing compatible anymore with my mast. Never find informations about what is the next step if learn on that 2018 Foil. Best regards.
Andreas I would upgrade to the 1600 Cabrinha Fusion and you will be able to have way more glide, pump and lift. If you are wanting to just upgrade for kiting only I would go Cab Fusion 1300 or 950. Yes you are right the old double agent does not work with the new Cabrinha foil line up so you will have to change your whole set up.
low aspect will be good for sup?
All depends, it can roll over better side to side with less wing span, but high aspect will have a little more glide! The industry is slowing evolving to the high aspect. As we did this video 3 years ago.
How does a 250 high aspect versus 250 low aspect wing with the same fuselage and stabilizer affect battery life, speed, and being able to foil (also at minimal speeds, i.e. lift) on an eFoil?
Great question... The 250HA will have more glide and a longer battery life.... You will cover more distance as well.....
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Thanks. What about foiling at low speeds, say 8-12 mph (some areas have speed limits)? Which wing does generate more lift and therefore allow foiling at lower speeds, the high or the low aspect? Or is more or less the same on both wings? What is actually the minimum foiling speed of, say, a Lift efoil with an average rider of 80 kg with a 250 high versus a 250 low aspect wing?
@@hansmaier479 Those are some loaded questions. The new LIFT 300v2 I believe can foil at the slowest speeds under 10 for sure. The 250HA will do almost the same but go a little faster to get up on foil, and for sure burn less battery. Just for sheer surface area the 300 gets up sooner. I have never looked at the actual speed of them but its very slow my friend. 250Ha vs 250surf I would have to do a back to back for you so can not comment on that. The 300 for sure is the slowest foiling wing from LIFT in my eyes now after riding it yesterday!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams I now tested the 250 low versus 250 high aspect wing using the same 50 stabilizer on the eFoil. With a rider weight of 220 pounds or 100 kg I was able to start foiling around 10 miles or 15 km/h on both wings.
Like you said, I found the 250 low aspect much more carvy and easier to turn which is why I prefer it for fun riding on the lake or river.
@@hansmaier479 Great to hear friend! Enjoy your week....
Hello Damien do you think a higher aspect allows riding more upwind than a lower aspect ? Maybe because the rider can push more on the high aspect foil wing because this wing is longer ? Maybe because the high aspect is faster and higher speed means more upwind ?
Good question. I feel it all depends on the conditions and the foil wings, but there are a lot any wing, lets say a high aspect wing has a ton of camber in the wing which can have high lift but hits a wall of drag as well at a certain speed. Then you could have a lower aspect wing with less camber and it might be a little faster at a higher speed. I think in general a high aspect wing should be more efficient than a lower aspect wing but there is more to it than that. Great question. In vernal I would say higher aspect is usually better as its more efficient usually, more glide. Think glider airplane vs Biplane :)
@@DamienLeroyCZcams It seems we may head to a conclusion sounding like a high aspect with little camber, don't we ?
@@Gilloup It comes down to the the individual and what they are looking for and their ability. Faster foil maybe harder for a beginner. So camber or higher lift at slower speeds is better. Also have to think about the riding location, is it windy or not? The individual will have little power or lots of power in the hand wing. Changes things. In general HA is good and a little camber or, a more lofty wing is better for most.
Please test and review the new Lift wings! Thanks Damo
Its coming friend.....
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Yea buddy!
Still love the channel. Just on the brink to hate winging. Just doesn't work for me. Taking aberak to do normal kiting
Martin, Kiting is magic and you can always take a break and come back! Have a great weekend......
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Short span. Long span . Easier to understand🤔😄
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