3 common gear mistakes | WING FOIL
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- There are 3 common mistakes beginners make before ever going in the water. Choosing the proper gear is key to success. In this video we cover the most common mistakes when it comes to the foil, the board and the wing. The right set up will make your progression so much faster and so much more enjoyable.
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100% true facts. I would add a couple of common mistakes 4) Not watching Damien`s previous videos 5) Not taking some lessons.
I second this.
Ahhhhhh. Thank you Nicolas! Agreed.... :)
Damien has great videos. Alan Cadiz has great videos too. They are true ambassadors to the sport and we’re lucky to have them!
Please help! I'm new. 185 lbs. I bought a 99L board and I am struggling! I'm primarily in lighter wind. I like the Cabrinha X-fly, should I get the 6'10" or the 7'6"? Will the bigger board lift off as easily? Thank you! Really appreciate you!
I'm 220 pounds and bought a 125L board. I was crying on my first day. I went up to 140L board and I was sailing around no problem. It's also nice to have a floaty board for self rescue and paddling back in. I also got a 6M and 7M wing.
Hi Jake! We have similar weight ...which board You bought?
Jake, Thank you for sharing you are helping others! So kind of you! Thank you!
@@Kartingowiec. Naish Hover 140L. Good board. They have a new one you can preorder at MacKite or you can buy last year’s model. I don’t see a huge difference. Also got a 2450 foil and a 6m and 7m wing. Duotone has a new wing called the Slick which comes in 6.5 m.
@@martinomovies Thank You !
Hi there, I am a beginner weighing 90kgs and looking to buy the new Naish Hover 125L, 2000cms front wing and 6.0m wing. I trust that is the right set up.
Awesome tips you guys thanks so much for putting this stuff out there!
We miss you guys let's play! :)
Great content Gents! On Good Friday we had no fewer than 12 Wingfoilers out at Fort Pierce South Jetty! It's inspiring to watch this sport grow. Reminds of Windsurfing in the 80's. The stoke is so high!
So epic can't wait to get back up there! Best place in FL... :)
Keep making these videos! So helpful and really puts things in perspective. 🤙
Thank you friend....
I've been hypothesising about an electrically powered hydrofoil, and a bunch of videos like these have been very helpful. Probably gonna be a few more years until manufacturing costs are lower though.
Glad we could help!
Very insightful, thank you Damien for doing this
Thank you friend....
Thank you Damien from Vietnam!
Thank you!
Great video. I am doing some research to get into the sport. Thanks.
Thank you friend.... Chris just do it so worth it....
All 3 good tips. We get those questions all the time. Probably the 1. Tip would be: ask a wingfoilschool or someone with more experience to help you progress faster and not give up on your dream to wingfoil ;) 🤙🏼
Keep up the great content - much appreciated!!!
Thank you we will!
Hey Damien, I love your channel. Great advice! I watch your vids before and after my sessions and you helped me to improve. However, I did not know that Kyle Gass was such an experienced waterman.
Thank you friend we appreciate you!
Thanks for all your videos. 12 year kiter here looking into wing foiling. Getting popular here on the Jersey Shore and a friend is now wing foiling. I’m 175 lbs and a 145L board, 5 m wing, and a 1480 foil was suggested. I also kite ski and have been using a Kitewing on ice and snow since the early 2000’s. Plan on taking a new inflatable wing out when there is snow and wind. The inflatable wings are very similar in handling to the Kitewing so hopefully that experience helps with wing handling on the water.
Kitewing and skis in light 10-12mph wind. Had to pump the wing to get moving.
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@@Jaymz996 It will help a ton and be very similar friend. Enjoy it....
Vert instructive vidéo as usual. Tanks a lot ✋
Thank you Julien.....
Thank you for the tips
All three can be summed up by getting the right gear. Absolutely essential. Second tip: have a way to get back upwind (buddy on a wave runner or small dinghy) so you don’t obsess about getting blown downwind or wear yourself out. This sport is supremely frustrating at first. This tip will greatly decrease that frustration. I promise. Last tip, have an understanding of the wind/wing before you start. An offshore wind is dangerous for a beginner.
Thank you friend great info!
Awesome guys nicely said 🤙
Thank you friend.....
nice videos! thanks very much for making them..
Thank you!
Nice video😊
Thank you for this valuable video.
But from the other side. Why everything has to be easy? Let’s complicate a little and challenge your skills. Struggle a little bit at the beginning but will have same gear at the begging little harder to learn but also will longer use it. 😊
Awesome tips and so funny greets from the alps
Thank you friend....
Great Video Damien. Any chance you can put together a video on how to steer your wing. I have been learning and a few old salts said that I need to learn how to steer the wing to help avoid heading downwind all the time.
Have a look at this video! should help! czcams.com/video/xsMJZZMJcv0/video.html
If you are not on foil, you can tilt the wing forward and you go downwind. Tilt it back and you go upwind. Same may apply on foil but I don’t really think about it as I’m just so happy I’m up.
Hey guys, nice video. I saw somewhere that a beginner should have a board volume that is your weight in kilograms plus 40-50 and once you get good it should be plus 10. I found this worked great for me. Also, I sold my first board for more that I bought it for. As you said, the sport is hot and supply is tight.
Tom, Thank you for sharing we appreciate you!
According to your numbers I should get a 100L board. As a beginner, that seems small. I was thinking 120ish minimum. However, those numbers work perfect for my husband who is 95kg. Is it diff for men vs women?
@@lindaknight6047 I would use this to just get you in the ballpark and then adjust for preference. The plus 40-50 is what is going to float you comfortably. I’m about 65 kgs and got a 120 for my first board. I was happy for 2 months and then downsized. Some people will want more flotation and some less. If you are new to wind water sports, you probably want more.
@@tomwolf2173 Interesting that you downsized after only 2 months. I'm a long time windsurfer and SUP surfer so very comfortable in the wind/water. However my SUP is probably 120L, so there you go. Maybe I'll learn on my husband's 140L and downsize to closer to 100L from there. I'd hate to have to buy a new board after a super short time.
@@lindaknight6047 Linda... On average I would say if you weigh 95kg he should look at 120 plus liters for sure. It will help a ton to have stability... You can use his board as well but in time you will want the right volume for your size.
Has any one ever hit a shark? Man these foils are so fast and cut through the water. I wonder if a sonar sound device sending out an under water sound would be a thing. Just thinking. This is an awesome sport I'm 60 and want to learn this. Great videos you guys
Sharks yes have been hit but its not a normal thing! There is no better time to learn Andrew than now! You got this.
Thanks for these tips, I was gonna try going out on a 38ltr kite foil board with 1250cm front wing on a 4m wing. Ordered a much bigger board 5'6 95 ltr Gong Flint FSP Pro.
Glad we could help friend....
Hey thanks guys that you got great videos I love them
Thank you David we appreciate you!
Love it 😍
Thank you! :)
You two are funny 😁 thanks for the tips
Thank you friend....
Thanks!
You are so kind thank you!
Hi. Thanks for the video and all the tips from everyone. So in summary - based on reading the whole thread. If you are 85kg like me, you want a 140l board, 2125cm sq front wing and a 6m wing. And mast length to your choice. Regards.
And I’ll order a cozy 13 knots smooth wind for my first session! To minimize the crashes.
@@irf888 Ahhhhh. Love it yes all you said will be a good start to get rocking 100%! Mast length can be around 70cm or 28'. Can be longer but crashes can get worse... :). Have a wonderful day!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Many thanks and you too!
@@irf888 Thank you!
Thank you
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Greetings from Denmark. Thank you very much for another great video 🤙🤙. Maybe next time you can speak about length of the mast ? Carbon mast/fuselage vs. aluminium ? Best regards, Anders
Greatnesses idea friend! Honestly aluminum is cheaper and heavier and has more issues corrosion issues with screws, my honest opinion. Carbon is lighter and so nice worth the extra money. Length is great when you get better but the longer you go the more drag under water as well so harder when learning....
Hey Damien! So, I have the kite and the board. Still waiting on the foil. Should be here tomorrow. Working with the kite and board on land, a question arises. Is it better to start with an empty deck or should I get some straps? Your videos have been invaluable and your layman's approach is perfect! Thanks for all your input, help and shared experience!
Jeff, More personal preference really, some start with a front foot strap but you can for sure start without. I would not start with two straps in the start. My thoughts. Enjoy it you are going to love it.
love you too Harry ;) , I keep trying---have phantasm 2300
I'm coming to Jupiter Florida to learn to foil!
The place is magical...
What would you recommend as far as a wing size for a beginner. I’d be learning on the inland lakes. Thanks
I’m about 185lb and I’m a Kitesurfer.
A 6m is a great starting size.... Order your wingsurfing gear, kiteboarding gear, foiling gear at adventuresportsusa.com/?ref=DAMO and support us and the CZcams channel!
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Hi
Great videos lots of information👍 just a quick question is a Gong 110 liter 5.3 inflatable board complete with Gong foil allvator. Front foil size L 1900 square centimeters ok for learning on thanks
It all will work yes.... A little more volume can help but if you are around 160 pounds that can be good. If you are larger you can do it but it will help to have a little more volume. Yes it will work though.
Hey guys great video thanks. i am fixing to get my first board. I am looking at 7 foot Moon Buddy. my mind wants to go for the 6 footer. i have great board skills in surfing and kite boarding. would the 6 footer be a Mistake for a beginner with good board skills?
Eddie, as long as you have volume I would go 6 foot all day long! Its 6'0 by 120L as long as you are under 210 pounds, you are fine.... I think you will be fine....
@@DamienLeroyCZcams thank you for the response. I went to my local shop and talked to them they said the same thing. Plus they said they would work with me if I thought I needed to go to the 7 footer. Say Hi to Harry.
@@eddiejones1418 I sure will!
Hey there! Great job! Keep making the clips. Love it. Hope to start winging soon... when the snow has gone :) Cheers from Germany!
Amen thank you friend...
Why is the snow stopping you? Greetings from Norway :)
@@SamuelGunnestad Snow would be incredible friend......
Hi, how many days per year do you have enough wind? I'm worried about low wind conditions in the summer in Florida.
Hunter hard to say winter and spring are the best! Summer gets light for sure, in that case I would recommend the bigger wings like the 6m and 7m will help in the lighter winds. There are usually always a few days in a week you can get out though....
After trying efoil in Bali the other day and being on a smaller board and foil than I started with because it got a stick through the propeller leading to no more propeller... I seemed to just be getting the hang of it when the battery ran out... I needed to be planing on that board pretty fast before the board would lift with my weight right forward... As I started to let it lift it seemed like I was more stable with the extra speed than if I backed it off too much... I've only tried with my wing foil once... I probably should have gone today but didn't realise the wind was up better than the forecast said... I think I was trying to get up on the foil without enough speed so it wasn't as stable and wanted to take off downwind... I've got an 8m wing, big board and big foil so hopefully I can get planing with speed so it can be a natural progression to getting up on the foil... Hopefully in the next few days... I'll try to watch the live reports more closely 😊
You will get it enjoy the ride! This can help as well..... czcams.com/video/xsMJZZMJcv0/video.html
Great tips but it would have been nice to see the items you discussed.
Good tips! Sub'd
Thank you friend.
Hey Damo, I see you use a lot of Lift Foil gear, Im looking to get a Lift foilset for wingsurfing but Im a bit lost as all of their website foil descriptions are catered to prone foiling. What lift front wings do you recommend for winging? thank you!
Love them! I am 155lbs and the 120HA is mind blowing but takes some wind! For the lighter winds the 200HA is incredible. They all are on the performance side. I like the 32"mast but in lighter winds use the 28". Tail wind the larger the more stable the smaller less drag! Easy is the 38 or 48 and I like the 32 and 25 tails. All this for winging. Prone foiling the 120HA/170HA are insane! I hope that helps....
@@DamienLeroyCZcams thank you!!
Interesting, Robby said the whole family can start winging on a 95 liter, 1600 front wing of a Jet foil with alloy mast, and a 4 and 5 sqm wing. This is excluding particular heavy folk. This video suggest 140 liter, 2000 (only latest carbon $$$ foil) and 6 sqm wing.
Things are changing quick and this video was two years ago! My guess Robby is saying that, as Hawaii with tons of wind, most places are not Hawaii and most people are larger or weigh a little more :).
@@DamienLeroyCZcams thanks for your reply! Probably true, Hawaii has just better conditions than other spots. I’m still wondering (surfing at a spot with 10-15 knots usually) if I need a 1600 or 2000 wing given that I already have Windfoil experience using only a 900 - 1300 wings? 🤔
@@ingotaraske6996 I would start with yours and maybe go bigger if they are not working! 100%
I keep hitting the send button sorry guys and I weigh 190 which is about 86 kilos so would you have any recommendations that might be a better fit for me I just saw advertisements for the Armstrong Wells I don't know much about them or what other foils might be a better value thanks again for the videos peace out
Hi guys, thanks so much for these videos! I am wanting to learn on my 7ft Naish Raptor SUP (which I had a foilbox and footstraps attached to, as I heard learning on a SUP was key before committing to buying something shorter and stubbier), however my SUP is only 95liters volume. I weigh 75kg. Have I made a terrible mistake???
It can work as long as it's wide enough to give you stability. Volume should be fine... I am 155 and can balance on about 75L, so you are right in the ball game.... It takes time.... Enjoy the learning process...
Thanks so much! Technically if I bought a 5.5 Gong Hipe which is way shorter but 145liters of volume, which one should be easier to learn on???
@@ajachild That will work fine! Use that......
Really appreciate your advice! Thanks for taking the time and thanks for great videos👍👍👍
@@ajachild Thank you glad we can help!
How are you micing yourselves? Do you have wireless lavs? Is there a boom mic off camera? Thanks.
No just a 360 camera! Audio is good....
Awesome wrap up. let's say I've got budget for two wings and I'm living in a low to mid windy place. would it be like a 4 and a 5 or would you choose bigger steps of sizes?
Yea in my eyes you have two options. A 6m and 4m or a 5m-4m. Hard to say with out knowing your actual winds.
@@DamienLeroyCZcams my weight is a 150pounds and I want to cover a as wide wind range as possible with having two wings. Strong winds are quite rare, winds between 10knots to 25 knots are what I want t cover. Maybe a bit more? Everything above I'd rather go windsurfing anyways. 6 seems so big regarding my size. Learned on a 5m Duotone slick which works super well, but defo wanna switch to cabrinha since my experience with their kite gear is so good. thanks man!!
@@fastforward720 Well friend! I can use a Cabrinha Mantis 6'2 Wing in 6-10mph very light wind and I weigh 155 pounds. My thoughts would be a 6 and a 3.5 or maybe if you liked the 5m a 5m and 3.5. It is very hard to pick the perfect wing sizes not knowing someones ability but in my eyes that should work!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Yeah awesome, thanks Damien! Seems like you are on team Mantis! Had the opportunity to test the Crosswing tho and I loved it way more than my Duotone Slick one. Is the Mantis even more loveable?
@@fastforward720 I think the Mantis is 100% better! It is my wing of choice for sure.
Another good movie, it just could've been explained in 10 seconds; go for the biggest in all 3.
next to slingshot and cabrinha, Gong is the next brand you can think of? 😏
Naish, Ozone, Duotone, F-one...?
Yea we need a script! It was just what came to me... Ahhhhhhhhhh. Thanks friend.....
@@DamienLeroyCZcams understandable! Was defenitely not meant to bash! your movies are 👌👌👌!
@@teedek763 No stress at all we value your feedback my friend.... Thank you!
oh no! I thought I found my set and after this chapter I know where I did mistakes. Maybe I have to buy Cabrinha X Fly 7’6” than Fanatic Sky wing 6.0 ... :)
Volume is key friend.....
@@DamienLeroyCZcams I have 90/95 kg so I need 130/135L :)
I live in salt lake City and now there's no shops here so I was wondering if you could steer me in the right direction I'm thinking of getting a Nash hover 125 and maybe the Armstrong 2050
David Armstrong makes good foils so no negative there! I really like LIFT and Cabrinha for foils of my choice, and no question the Cabrinha Mantis hand wing is great! Check out our link in the description of the video, to get gear and a discount not to mention you can support the channel. I hope it helps!
On efoil, everyone says it’s best to learn with big wing so you can go slow but then you’re unable to get board to plane before standing - which was easier for me. What’s best tactic in wing foiling to get board to plane before standing so you can be standing before going up on foil?
Yes best practice get the board moving, you standing and your self balanced then come up on foil...... Have a great one...
That sounds like the efoil board you are using has less volume than your bodyweight so you need the dynamic lift of the planing board. In Wingfoiling, as a beginner you want to have a board with at least bodyweight+10, better bodyweight +30 liters. With that you can go pretty slow / you don't need dynamic lift to get up. Of course the board gets more stable with some speed so it is common to start on your knees till you get some speed and then stand up, but on a nice and stable beginner board one should be able to stand up without any speed.
@@Rocco_Kurokawa Well said friend! Thank you
Very helpful and encouraging video as always Damien and Harry. I've been learning to wing on a windsurf board and it's been challenging but there's been progress (and most importantly I'm still eager to continue). Does the 2000cm2 wing foil rule of thumb apply regardless of rider weight? Low aspect a given? I've also read for choosing a beginner board use your weight in kg +40L. Does that seem about right? Thanks!
Aircraft Carrier.....My first attempt at wing-foiling was on a 100L board...it was too unstable/tippy and i was extremely frustrated. Fortunately, the second day, I was able to borrow a 130L board and went several hundred yards on foil, my first attempt.
Full disclosure: I have a few years of foiling experience with kites, but the stable platform eliminated other variables, allowing me to focus on how the sail works while standing on a board in the water.
Excellent great choice! Thank you for your insight.......
@@DamienLeroyCZcams correction....it was a 150L board....in other words, an aircraft carrier, but it worked like a charm.
@@ezvibe8310 Aircraft Carrier! ahhhhhhhhhh love it....
Hey Damien, how can we find Harry?
Harry, you are the legend! I will call you soon! haha
Best maybe DM him on instagram!
I live in Florida and am an ex windsurfer. Where do you guys surf. I'm 63 and would like to get in contact with Harry as he is in my generation. Is there a way to contact him?
Michael, Your best way to find him is on Juno, beach or at the Stuart causeway riding. instagram.com/harryandrews80?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
100% 😆😂🤙🏼
What does 5 refer to in a 5m wing?
I believe 5 square meters in size.
What about an inflatable board?
czcams.com/video/40wU6JXYxhM/video.html This should help they work great!
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Bro what’s that umbrella back there?
Not sure everyone asks me! ahhhhhhhhh
Thanks Damien for the great videos. I'm a wing foil beginner with experience as intermediate SUP surfer and racer. I just purchased a Takuma WR3 6M wing as the winds in Guam are typically light. I have an opportunity to get a 2018 Naish Hover Crossover 120L with the 2018 Naish Thrust Large foil for $1500 total brand new. I'm about 94kg and usually SUP surf a 121L board. Should I pull the trigger on the board or look to getting a newer board and foil combo for double the price? Thank you! 🤙
Friend, I believe your board is around 7'6 and that is a lot of water area that you have to unstick. Would be nice if you could find a 5-0 or 6'0 with 120L. Will help release the water tension when learning to get up on foil. As for your
@@DamienLeroyCZcams thank you for the tips. I'll keep looking for a proper board and foil
@@sars151 Thank you friend.....
@@sars151 Thank you friend....
@@sars151 Sounds great friend... Have a great week.
Can I add one thing that made a huge difference for me… FLAT WATER.
I can always rent gear… then… i will buy.
My suggestion: easy learning, multiply weight in kg by 25 to get sq cm of wing. i.e. 100 kg x 25 = 2500 sq cm foil. 75kg x 25 = 1875. If you have a
learning spot with small waves even during high winds you can bring this multiplier down to 18
Thank you Graham for your insight we appreciate you!
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Where's that cell number? haha
Ahhhhhhhh. He would kill us! :)