[206] How To Defeat Overset Pins: Prevent, Identify, and Fix Overset Pins (Learn Lock Picking)
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- How To Detect and Set Overset Pins While Picking Locks
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Learning how to identify an overset pin will take practice but it is an important skill to develop while learning to pick locks. Overset pins will prevent you from opening your locks and you will need to be able to detect and fix them to progress in lock sport.
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Really nice video! Finnally I opened a lock (FAB) I´ve been trying to open it for couple of weeks. I have one question, because, in this FAB lock there is really not lot of space - do you have some method how to recognize which hook to use? I mean this - you suggest to use deeper hook, but when there is no how to it put into (snake shape of key)? Is it (this advice) usefull for more locks than this? Or, do you have (in this video) choosen lock just to show what is going on in it (lock easy to pick)? Thank you.
How to pick smart 🔑
Where can I purchase this cutout lock?
As a relatively new lock picker I would say this video is the best I've seen in explaining the difference between the feel of a set pin and unset pin. It is going to help me a lot as I improve my lock picking.
I suspect I often overset pins and now I think I have a much better chance of identifying them.
Thank you very much for making this video. 😁👍
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad that it helped :-)
The trick with the quick swipe through the bible under lighter tension to release overset pins without losing everything else was fantastic, thank you for that.
Thank you for checking it out
Back to front is the easiest to learn. As you go, try to memorize the order of pin friction. Try to work in the order of most friction to least, per pin. Expect to start over again at least 5 times until you learn the friction order. Sometimes the pin shapes and side bars will fool you. But after getting the pin order, you can memorize the heights, and bypass false sets.
Thank you for sharing
5 stars on this one!! Great job explaining everything. I struggle with overset, newbie move though.
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helped :-)
Thanks mate just subbed. I've been watching LPL and BB but they dont realy explain it in as much detail as you did.
thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helped :-) thank you for the subscription!
Be sure to check the LPL "LockPickingLawyer - Inside Perspective Series" series that contains 6 videos with cutaway locks that he published about 2 years ago. That should explain things very well and has superb video quality. I think the video about disk detainer locks may be a bit hard to follow if you don't understand the mechanism already, though.
I've been struggling with over set pins. I accidently developed a weird technique where I over set one of the pins and I'd back off tension and the lock would open. It works for easy masterlock, but anything with security pins isn't working. This should help me unlearn my bad habit. Ty!!
A great video all beginners should watch. As a novice, oversetting is definitely my most frequent problem. As you point out theres a feel to the process that you have to develop. Back to practice for me!
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps!
Very informative. I’ve been practicing on a master lock and my successes have been pretty random. I think I’m oversetting a lot and this explains at least part of what I’m doing wrong. 👍🏻
Just keep practicing everyday you'll be amazed how good you can get in a short amount of time
So many beginner videos don't even mention oversetting. This video helps a lot. Thanks.
Thank you so much!
I just got into lockpicking, starting with padlocks, and oversetting pins is my biggest problem right now. Top of the keyway tensioning makes more sense, but I don't think my tools are the most appropriate for that, yours seems to have the right shape!
Thank you very much for this video, I'll go and watch the others :)
TOK makes a huge difference. I wish you luck and thank you for checking out my videos!
Good picking I have been doing this out in my garage for two hours got peod and came back in the house.
Now I have to go back and try again, thanks for the advice.
Thanks for checking it out!
Hell I've been watching these vids all night and I still cant pick a real lock. Not the video's fault at all I just dont have the knack for this as a hobby.
Wow! I would like to thank you, your videos have been - by far - the most helpful to me (probably many others) in advancing in this hobby. You really do explain this stuff very well.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad they help!
Thanks for the videos i appreciate and respect the time you take to make these videos. Lock picking has become my "fidget spinner" after a long exhausting day at work its a good focus to help my mind stay calm lol
Thank you for the kind words! These videos are fun to make and I am happy they have helped many. This is a fun hobby and even a better community.
I think this may be your best video yet. VERY good job!!
Thank you for the kind words and welcome back? I haven't heard from you in while. I hope all is well 😀
Great info as always!!!
Very nice video! 👍👍👍
Thank you for the kind words! I hope to get back into my series soon. These videos take a very long time to make but they are worth it. I really enjoy doing them.
Great tips and reminders, thanks for sharing.
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Great idea for the newbies... Keep up the great video work!
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Hands down the best and most detailed technical lock bypass troubleshooting techniques your ever going to find on the web. Thanks.
thank you for the kind words and I'm glad they help :-)
Some really good info in there mate :) Cheers for uploading!
Thank you for the kind words!
Nothing worse than that mushy feeling pin that oversets without a sound. Then everything gets springy or an already set pin or pins drop.
One of your better videos, IMO. Keep it up.
Thank you for the kind words!
Good stuff, keep’em coming👍
Thank you for checking it out!
Great vid and information buddy. One of your best yet.
Thank you for the kind words, in glad it helps!
Very informative. I just subbed and I’m going through your older vids little by little. Good stuff!
Thank you for the kind words and the sub! My Lock Picking Home School playlist has a lot of great beginner videos :)
Most helpful information. Your efforts are appreciated!
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps!
Thanks for the info and technique!
Thank you for the kind words. I hope this video helps. If you haven't already, I recommend you check out my full Lock Picking Home School series, it has a lot of great info.
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Thank you, very helpful. Subscribed.
thanks for checking it out!
Thank you very much sir. I was pretty sure that this is what i have started running into. It was very helpful to me. Thanks again for making thses videos. It is very much appreciated and you do a great job with them! Have a great day!
Nicely explained and demonstrated sir. Well done and keep up the excellent work!
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Great video!! I caught myself doing this and now I can have some tips to correct this. Thank you!!
Thanks for checking it out, I am glad it helps :)
Tysvk 4 the clear, concise description & directions -- with awesome tips, no less! :D
thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helped :-)
thank you for the vids and the teaching!! Learning alot!!
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad the videos help!
This video was very very helpful and interesting, thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful!
Great info. I think this is one of my main troubles.
Always having to let up a bit to drop oversets.
I’ll put your tips to the test as I practice.
Thank you for the kind words and I wish you luck. Please let me know if it it helps :)
So helpful. Thank you.
Thanks for checking it out
Thank you for this video. I only got into lockpicking a few weeks ago, and I've been trying to pick a 6pin cylinder lock for nearly 2 weeks. I finally got into it today because of this video. Thank you
How is everything going now? I am a bit late to respond but hope your progress sis coming along well
Thanks much, this is very useful. I have been dealing with this issue. Finally realized I needed to use a deeper hook, or the tron or offset hybrid, to avoid oversetting with the shaft of the pick.
So far, I have just had to start over every time. I shall practice your suggestion for recovering without all dropping all of the pins you've set. Very useful stuff.
Thank you for the kind words and I am happy to hear it helps :)
Thank you HLP. This vid addresses the hassle I`m having. Very good.
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Good info & important to keep in mind while SPP’ing 👍🏻
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Keep up the good instruction
Well done. A lot of good info.
Thank you for the kind words!
Good instructions, good visuals
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Thank You a ton HLP.. Im a newbie too and sitting at home because of the virus. This over setting is a issue with me too. I now have a totally new outlook thanks to you. Thank you again Brian.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad this helps!
Awesome, you are a great teacher.
Thank you for the kind words!
Thank you for the excellent video!
Thank you for checking it out and I am glad it helps
It's weird how setting pins is even possible. As if they were constructed to be picked.
Thanks for checking it out
Rick Holt it’s because it’s practically IMPOSSIBLE to make each pin the exact same dimensions, this is where the binding order comes into play, usually the first binding pin is the one with the biggest dimensions, that way when you set it, you move onto the next pin that is the biggest out of all the unset pins, hope that makes sense.
Rick Holt I second that Underground. More expensive locks have much higher tolerances in manufacturing, making the binding order that much more important. But even then, they can’t make it absolutely perfect. Us pickers simply take advantage of the loose manufacturing tolerances.
@@Creativeanduniqueusername It's a question of price. In theory, you could make it much harder by producing all parts with far better tolerances. These locks exist, but every single part of the lock including the keys has to adhere to those better tolerances. The pins have to be much more precise, so they can fit into the more precise core and clear the housing when the key is inserted. There are locks like the DOM IX or System D that have teardrop-shaped pin profiles which even follow the curvature of the core on the shearline. On the lower end spectrum, you have pins that are tapered on both ends so they can be placed in the lock either way, which makes them far easier to manufacture, but also to pick. Sidebars can be precision-milled or cast. It's all about the price of the final lock and the precision required to manufacture proper keys.
@@graealex Wouldn't that also lead to issues where any wear on the key would cause it to stop working? I know just from rubbing against coins or whatever in a pocket, keys can get pretty worn; if you tighten the tolerances way up on the pins, a worn key may not work at all, right?
Great info my friend, just went trough it a little quickly but very nice 😄
Thank you for the kind words! I hope it helps 😀
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Great video and informative, presentation is top notch
Thank you for the kind words, I am glad it helps!
Solid information. Thanks!
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Great video and very clear and informative! My kind of guy 👍
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Very helpful. Great presentation
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Very helpful. Great explanations
Thanks for checking it out!
Another excellent video! Thank you. While I enjoy watching the LPL, I find your videos have much more USEFUL information. One could watch the LPL all day and not learn HOW and WHY lockpicking works!
Also, I was wondering if anyone has ever put together a series of charts or a computer app that would allow you to enter the make and model of a lock, and be able to pull up a list of vulnerabilities for that lock, (shimming, raking, tapping etc) as well as the best pick(s) and type of tension/tensioner for the lock. Also, rotation direction, whether or not the lock has security pins, and any other information which would help arm a lockpicker BEFORE they attempt to defeat a lock. That would be of great value and would save a lot of wasted time/effort! The Pareto rule would apply here. Only about 20% of the models of locks on the market make up at least 80% of the locks that lockpickers would need to be able to pick!
I am not sure but that would be a good list to have
First week of lockpicking - this was incredibly helpful!
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps!
Great advice and clearly explained! Ty :)
Thanks for checking it out
Excellent teacher I have learned very effectively from your videos thank you for the time and effort you put into all of this
Thank you for the kind words
Great video! You present information in a specific and straight-forward way. I especially like how you describe your auditory and tactile sensations BEFORE, DURING and AFTER each scenario. If you can believe it, I am still stuck on a Master lock #3. I think this is primarily due to the fact that I don't understand or sometimes notice the feedback coming to me, which decreases the accuracy of the mental image I have to work with regarding all the components and inter-relationships going on inside the lock. Although the "sensations" you describe are qualitative, your description provides an excellent starting point on what I should be "feeling and hearing" and "why", on a much more definitive level. Yes, I am a biologist, and yes I tend to "overthink" things. However in the case of lockpicking, I can use my science training to my advantage, I just need to find teachers that "speak" my language. Lastly, I will close with the fact that I realize that there is an "art" to lockpicking, that cannot be approached scientifically. It has to be "felt", "sensed", and "experienced" thousands of times, and thousands of times again. Thanks for all the advice!
Thank you for the kind words, if you enjoyed this video I recommend you check out my Lock Picking Home School series, it has a lot of videos much like this one.
If you are just starting I would not bother with a Master Lock No. 3, they are built poorly and are not great to learn on. I would buy a Kwikset lock and learn to progressive pin that also the Brinks 40 mm laminate padlock gives great feedback as well. You want to start off on lock that give obvious feedback because it will help you learn.
Also, if you go onto eBay you can find some cutaway locks which are useful for you to teach yourself different scenarios. Just keep at it, pick a lock everyday, and you will be surprised where you are 6 months from now. There are so many great people in this community with many different backgrounds, it is nice to hear you are in biology, I work as a nurse in an ER.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Thanks for such a fast reply. I have the Sparrows' Night School pickset and cut-away practice locks and also the Revolver(non-cutaway). I have been able to pick the three cutaway practice locks from Sparrows, albeit not consistently. I thought I would move up to the Master #3 because of how ubiquitous it is and that everyone on these channels makes fun of it. I thought I would sail through it but I was quickly humbled. I saw BosnianBill pick it with modified, cat food can lids, zip ties, and even a and near broken bamboo skewer!
I have been able to pick it, just not consistently and I have a lot of difficulty raking any of my locks. I watch a lot of videos and assimilate information quickly, just the practice part is looming large. I am going back and forth between cutaway locks and non-cutaways, to try to develop my "feel" for what is happening and to put a better mental image together. I hate to admit, sometimes I can't tell what pin I'm on (besides the first and last). I am going to invest in a vise and see how much that helps, however lock-in-hand training is important to me to be effective out in the field. My expertise is as a wetland biologist, especially freshwater macroinvertebrates. Tall respect to nurses, thanks again!
@@Raphaelo325 I will be completely honest with you my most used approach when opening up a Master Lock No. 3 is zipping. It works like a charm every time and no reason to take it any further.
I highly recommend the Kwikset lock and you can add security pins as you go.
Also check out my Progressive lock list in the video description but I do recommend you skip down to the Brinks because that is the first lock on the list where you actually get great feedback and it is a good experience for learning.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Thanks again for all the helpful advice! I will make it a point to find that Brinks 40mm and take a look at your progressive lock list. All the best!
Very interesting, I get this program all the time thanks for posting. 👍🙂
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps!
Great video. I think this has solved some of my problems. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps 😊
I am on my first month aft.er getting into lockpicking and overpin has definitely been a challenge, thanks for the info
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Great video once again my friend 👍😊😊😎😎
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Really needed this.
I am glad it helps!
Thanks I got the lock in my hand open before the end of the video 🎉
Very nice video, great job!
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@@HelpfulLockPicker I'm a Dutch employe locksmith for 8 years now, and reseigned my job today, i am going to try to become my own boss.
These are great, thanks
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Great advice!
Thanks for checking it out
Thanks, this saved me a lot of time
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Really good tips
Thank you for the kind words.
I like raking with moderate to light tension to grab a false set and then leaning heavy into the tensioner for SPP'ing the final pins. This gives me the best of both worlds and allows me to determine via SPPing if I have overset anything before wasting too much time. Great video. Glad I found you. I am now a subscriber!
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what means SPP? :o
S ingle P in P icking. SPP
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i just said you're very informative i do appreciate your approach and your monologe it helps a lot when you're learning to know the terminologythanks a lot
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helps :)
i can't believe you responded very cool
Thanks that helped a lot
I am glad it helped :)
Thank you 😊
Another great video that will be super helpful for New pickers. :-)
Thank you for the kind words!
Looking back, I've totally overset pins in the past and just not been able to diagnose it. Thanks very much for making this video.
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Great video!
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Great video i'm staring at a six pack of 1100s I was feeling a little intimidated until I saw your video this is the most useful information directed at a single series lock I have seen in one place at one time bringing many tips together at one time.Great video man!
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Fantastic. Helped me identify several problems I've been having as a novice!
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FINALLLY i got the lock i’ve been stuck on
Good job👍
Thank you
I stumbled upon your channel looking for the definition of a "false set". Wow. Although, I've been watching other popular lock picking channels, I've missed and overlooked the essential basics you're discussing here. NOW, I've got better understanding of what the terminology means as discussed on other vids and what I've yet to understand and apply :) I'm enjoying your practical step by step methodology in your basic videos that is now giving me hope that a no talent lock picker may someday attain basic practical knowledge ;) I'm looking forward to watching more of your vids to grow further. Great job, keep it up!
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Just found your channel, really like it 👍
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Thanks this is very helpful!
Now I can get a new computer!
Thanks for sharing, just make sure you don't pick locks in use
Excellent!
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Super helpful for my problem with overset pins I've had trouble with a lock which I could only irregularly open and fail a lot without any reason why until now 💋
Glad it helped!
Good basic advice.
Thank you for the kind words!
That was very educational.
Thank you!
From a beginner 👍
Thank you for the kind words. If you have any questions down the road feel free to ask. I am easy to contact.
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Thank you.
I'm a professional Automotive Specialist but I find this stuff absolutely fascinating.
Thank you for sharing
Good info
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Great vid. You now have a new subscriber.
Thank you for the kind words and for subscribing!
Maybe that's why I've been struggling so much. I only have a bottom tension wrench and wasn't aware there was a difference. Thanks for the video, that's a sub from me!
Thank you for the kind words and in glad the video was able to help :) let me know if you have any success and thank you for the sub
FYI you don't need a special wrench for top tension, although it may be more convenient. You can apply tension in the top of the keyway with a standard tool but you may find you can only tension in one direction without the tool falling out.
thank you!
Thanks for checking it out
excellent video
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Fantastic video :)
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Very good information.
Do you have any videos on how to pick, or drill anti pick, anti drill Yale Euro locks, or similar locks used in PVC doors?
Many thanks, Joe.
I do not personally. Check out boredlockpicker or russej02 (both run by same guy) he drills locks on his channel and may have a video
Thank you very much for your prompt reply..
I have subscribed to your channel.
Have a Great weekend. Joe.
Thanks
Thanks very much enjoy watching LPL and Bosnian bill
..but this is so much more
Informative since I'm a Noob and I haven't even opened my first lock yet, but I'm sure this is going to be my new hobby,
Love the community and the comments..
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad this helps! If you have any questions down the road feel free to ask :)
Great vid
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Pretty much a beginner here. I bought the Sparrows Progressives and the bitting on #3 is with the first pin low, then high. After having a lot of trouble opening the lock, I found that what you said about changing to back to front makes a big difference.
Thank you for sharing and I'm glad that the video was able to help :-)
Good info for beginners, as always. I wish I had found this channel 6 months ago. I've been trying to learn by LPL and Bosnian Bill and they fo some pretty challenging stuff and it's no necessarily simplified sometimes (although I do love watching them pop open weird stuff) . Cheers brotha!
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps! I enjoy their channels as well :-)
HelpfulLockPicker that's because you are the LPL.
With some voice filters. I new it.
I’ve been practicing on a front door lock that we didn’t get keys from the previous owner. I know it’s a very old lock but I get nearly no sound feedback. I had gotten it a handful of times but no consistency. I couldn’t figure out why I would get no binding pins and start over. After watching this I picked it in 30 seconds and I feel like I actually knew what I was doing instead of just persisting and luck. Thank you so much for this!
Edit:
Hours later and I haven’t gotten it again. The inconsistency makes me wonder if its the lock or me but I don’t have another lock with security pins like this to practice on.
Thank you for the kind words. I would be cautious regarding picking locks in use. You don't want to break them. Also, make sure you only pick locks you own or have permisison