Marvel and DC Comics are TOO MALE and TOO STRAIGHT Says CBR.
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- The comic book industry is too male and too straight, and it's up to publishers to gatekeep the men out... or something. This according to some ranty manifesto from CBR that's straight out of 2016. You know, Marvel Comics tried that and it almost DESTROYED them...
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And Marvel and DC are too gay to appeal to mass audiences.
They are too gay for gays, let alone mass audience.
I’m gay and used to want to write for them. They too gay for me now
@@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy lol
If they were good most wouldn't even care. Which is why so many people like manga 'straight' or not.
unfortunately marvel and dc were not aiming for a target audience, or a mass audience. no, they went for the mythical wider audience ... by pandering to an extreme to a tiny minority of a minority that had little interest in their work
So is the traqditional publishing industry, and also they have a new thing as of last year where most books seem to have a requirment that one of the main characters be handicapped to even get on store shelves. It is possible adult romance has escaped these stipulations but I don't do that genre. It is not like the movies that fall under that genre at all.
Women don't buy comics, men still blamed lol 😂.
they care more about their social media, then your dumb fiction...according to them.
But we still need to make comics unappealing to males just in case women start reading comics you basement dwellers!
(This is more about taking things away from males than including females.)
They read Manga though
@@xenobreak1160Manga and novels get my money.
I would buy comics, but they're for gay people now, not me.
It's almost as if most comic buyers are both male and straight.
The stats support your observation.
And traditionally they were children and teenagers. What sort of kid wants to be seen reading a comic book about a character who takes it up the ass? He may as well just bully himself at that point.
Its so weird, right?
"tHaTs JuSt PrOoF iT's EviL!" -Woke buffoons, probably. 🙄
and that's a problem apparently... but why.
Comics aren’t “failing” women. Kelly Sue Deconic literally told us not to buy her books.
Self-proclaimed feminist comic book writers are failing women.
@@RokuroCarisuamen
Her name might as well be Mary Sue Demonic. 😄
As with everything else, feminists are only too happy to erase from history the women who were there before them and, especially, don't/didn't need them. There were PLENTY of comics written by women (mostly for women). Marie Severin, for example, was a very good artist with credits in books most readers still praise (and more than a few characters created).
Yes indeed
meanwhile 90% of marvel and heroes are now part of the alphabet mafia
Try an X-Men book. It's to the point you would think being a mutant automatically make you non straight.
@@markcarpenter6020 I blame the Singer X-Men movies akd the false narrative that X-Men was always supposed to he an allegory.
@@Tyler_W yeah X-Men were just supposed to be outcasts. They were supposed to represent anyone who felt like an outcast. Which is honestly why they were so popular with teenagers.
But those were actual outcasts with depth, not "Oh you have to love me because I have more victim credits" like some pretentious nobleman's son.
@markcarpenter6020 I'm well aware.
Not every space has to be female and/or gay.
Tell that to the "boy scouts"!
Didn't you know that male spaces are toxic and dangerous because reasons?
That's what bothers me most about all of this. There is no reason why everything has to appeal to everyone. None. Diversity is not inherently good or inherently bad. It's a neutral state, just as homogeneity is. It's what is done with those states that matters. I grew up in a conservative, religious, homogeneous area. And yet, I learned about other cultures and peoples and when I went to college, I chose to specialize in areas far outside my growing up experience.
If people like something, they will enjoy it for what it is. If it's not what they want, they should move on to something they do enjoy instead of insisting that the thing they don't like change to suit them. That's not how it should work.
@@ChaoticYak1 They don’t want it to appeal to everyone, feminism is Misandry and so they usually try to alienate men from every space they come across. In fact the framing around diversity assumes if mostly men like something it’s inherently a problem and therefore should be destroyed, which is why they take such glee in doing it and why they don’t seem to call for more diversity in romance novels or nursing.
@@ChaoticYak1
Hence why they're doing it. *They're here to break **_everyone's_** toys!*
Who cares what CBR says? Just boycott that site and don't click into their stupid articles, no matter how much you want to critique or hate-read them.
Ya Boi Zac is the only one I know who used to read CBR, and he just did it to complain about their bad takes.
This is just plain common sense.
I think the real issue is that Marvel and DC seem to care what these people say as they're making changes based on articles like this one.
@@googleisevil8958 It always comes back to social media. Social media needs to die down back to its original seldom-used state.
How are they not outta business yet?
It's almost as if the straight, male heroes are what sells, while the heroes whose entire personality are their gender and sexuality don't.
I don't remember a Captain America comic where Steve Rogers was going;"I'm straight!Have i told you i'm straight?You do know i'm straight,right?And that the whole comic was about that more or less.
@@camembert101exactly his sexuality was an afterthought Captain America was kicking nazi ass and taking names, if you want meaningful stories about someone who happens to be gay you got to go manga or light novel or the anime based off of it " I'm in love with the villainess" being a great example
That is because these writers are people with zero luck fe experience who's sexuality is their entire persona writing comics for their friends who also live in the exact same bubble of zero personality twits who use their sexuality as their entire personality.
@byron9802
I’m gonna have to disagree with you on the novel you named; from what I understand, the MC acts without any moral compunctions in pursuing her “love interest”, and the plot separate from the romance is not really all there, there’s no world building to justify a revolution in the story.
With the MC, she pretty much aggressively pursues the villainess in a method that someone described as “until she says yes”, and her methods for getting close can be described as stalkerish, since she blackmails her way into getting close to the Villainess, despite the latter’s *objections* .
I know some would argue that it’s supposed to be “cute”, but if you apply something to real life, and it doesn't come off as cute, then it’s actually not, it’s better suited to slapstick and comedy.
And that’s not getting into the shallowness of the other characters.
@@kathryncampbell4432 I recommended it because of the sure hilarity, I didn't want to recommend Yuri on ice don't really do sports animes and I didn't watch it, there was another manga I would recommend but I don't remember the name it's kind of a slice of life love at first sight guy falls in love with a girl who turns out to be a femboy and him coming to terms with his attraction to another boy
My uncle had to close his shop, after 20 yrs of being open..these ppl have ruined our community...
Looking for payback against those fiends?
@@broden4838 nope, I don't want more hate,I'm not like these weird ppl. I'm a grown man and me getting "payback" would just start more crap. I'll speak with my money, let them go broke. Besides right now they have a huge hole in the market, making it easier for good writers and companies to pop up and fill that vacuum. It will all come crashing down. I always wanted to write a story, maybe now is the time.
He should have converted it to a manga shop, that sells SO well these days!
And ironically while lots of manga is plenty gay... It is FUN gay. Like it used to be.
My deepest condolences to your uncle :( God help him.
So sorry to hear that .
Every time CBR speaks:
Barnes and noble adds another shelf to the manga department OuO
Where are they putting the manga department shelves theyre already spilling out of the property and into the streets?
How 80% of the character's aren't even straight anymore.
It's probably due to the people writing said characters are porn addicts. A lot of this crap can be linked back to porn if one to look on the X profiles of these people.
@@zenvariety9383 or tumblr art
@@zenvariety9383Ikr? And when porn blew up on the internet it spread the infection even further.
@@zenvariety9383And writers of terribad slash fanfics.
Every "modern updated" media sound like they came out of a bad fanfics...
And that’s bad for the reader because …?
>Too male
>Too straight
So, the core audience for comics?
It didn’t matter what was between the legs or what your preferences were when it came to comics. Now we have to marginalize everything like in the ‘1950’s because some people are so close minded.
It really feels like tumblr kids grew up and wanted to get paid to make their gay fanfics, found out people outside their queer echo chambers don't want it, and are really upset that they aren't getting called back
That's exactly what happened. DC kinda started it when they'd do the occasional "representation" bit for no other reason than clout. Batwoman and blackwater Wally West come immediately to mind, but it was Marvel who really started getting the ball rolling by bringing activists and bad fanfic writers into the industry. Around 2014/2015-ish,they wanted to bring in new audiences, so they tapped YA novel/slice of life writers amd writers and artists from places like Tumblr. They basically used some people's social circle on Tumblr and Twitter as the basis for their hiring pool. Whisper networks started forming because the Tumblr crowd was always toxic, and they pressured the right people to hire more and more of their buddies until they just took over the industry and either pressured the veterans into exile or submission. That's the best I understand what happened anyway. Half or these people ruining western comics are literally just stereotypically bad fanfic writers whose idea of a good story is to turn everything into self insert slice of life stories that doubly serve as ideological propaganda literature.
Animation and Hollywood have been going through a similar thing, likely mainstream music too based on the recent massive drops in quality lately. It's an ideological pandemic at this point...
I hope they get replaced by Newgrounds people.
Yeah, a lot of these media reads like bad fanfics. Specifically the slash genre.
At this point they deserve the suffering they get. They invaded the space, ruined everything that drew fans to it and now are pitching a fit no one wants them there.
CBR - put a woman in it, make her gay make it lame.
quoting Geeky from an old ass video: "These people don't wanna write their own original stories and heroes, they want to write themselves into the comics and stories they like"
Can you even say they like these comics/characters? I'd say a lot of them don't. If they did, they'd try to write things like the stories they liked before. It's about clout. They're either not skilled enough to create something of their own or don't want to go to the effort of building up cred with quality organically kver tume, so they hijack established properties for their popularity and name recognition because they think that they themselves will become popular by proxy if they can just write whatever they story they want with these popular and recognizable characters. They're basically trying to steal popularity by osmosis.. it's kinda like groupies who leech off of famous people and try to handle them under the often mistaken belief that riding their coat tails is the key to fame and success instead of making their own. They just suck so badly at what they're doing that they're only destroying the popularity of the characters they're corrupting by turning them into something they're not.
The more ideological types who have infiltrated are similar in the sense they do the same clout chasing thing, only for slightly different, more abstract and supposedly high minded reasons, although there is overlap. Phil Labante has been saying this on the Timcast IRL podcast a lot lately, and it's so true because it's integral to understanding these activist types. "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution." They want to write established characters because they want to get the biggest platform/microphone possible to disseminate their propaganda message. Think of the brand recognition of established popular brands that these people want to conquer and stick their flag in like won territory in a battle. The bigger the brand they co-opt, the bigger the ideologucal victory for their team. Changing established characters into the image of whatever they want them to be is a display of dominance. "I have yoiur favorite toys now. I can do elwhatever I want with them now, and there's nothing you can do to stop me." Once they've adequately destroyed the brand they seized, making it no longer a useful platform for their agenda, they'll move on to the next most popular cultural thing to seize it and repeat the process all over again. They're basically cultural locusts or parasitic worms that infect their insect host, use them to acheive their own ends, and then move on to the next host to continue the cycle once the previous host has been devoured from within and/or destroyed.
Basically Self-Inserts. Good SI stories are few since they're hard to pull off.
Those people are the terribad ones.
It will never be enough.
"As a lesbian there is nothing I want more than to read western comic books about gay superheroes!"
- no actual lesbian ever
After Marvel and DC have twisted themselves into pretzels these "journalists" and their friends STILL whine. It's never enough so ignore these people.
They can never please people like Thayer Parker no matter how hard they try.
@@KalVoorger98funny thing is gay characters already existed in both, they might not have been as popular but they did exist, so why didn't they just do the race swapping and all the emphasizing their gay to the already existing gay characters that way the popular money makers would have stayed safe from the b*******
Rule #1 of dealing with a malignant narcissist. You will never be "good enough" so stop caring what they think.
I remember when I was about 10 I told my male cousin to read Inkheart. It was my favorite book at that time. My 11 year old, male cousin told me that he didn’t want to read it because the main character was female. He is now super ashamed that he said that and he ended up reading and loving it a couple of years later. The idea that you MUST completely identify with a character in order to enjoy their story is absolutely asinine. As a woman, it is super sexist to say that I cannot relate to a male character because I wasn’t born with dangly bits between my legs. That’s a stupid proposition. I have an insane manga collection now, close to a thousand volumes. I have both super cute romcom crap and tons of volumes with strong male heroes and everything in between. I’m just as likely to love a bada$$ male character as I am a bada$$ female character. I hate when people say that something artistic was made solely for men or solely for women. It’s a dumb idea. Art is for everyone, even if you don’t look exactly like the main character.
Agreed❤❤❤
When Kotaku goes out of business, can they take CBR with them? Please?
O trust me CBR will be next after Kotaku falls.
This is why anime is winning
but they are after it already
And Webcomics.
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@@SweetBaby2GTdepends on context
Because they do storytelling, charctertes diverse or not made it better than whats going on currently!
I'm completely done with Western pop culture. Its just trash and i have better things to do with my time!
And thus you have become the culturally homeless global citizen they desire.
Not so pop anymore. The titans are failing, their works vandalised by an infestation of hatred and their legacies locked behind layers of abusive filth.
but this isn't western pop(ular) culture its western prop(aganda) culture
they basicly torture the character into oblivion what you love and grow up with that. Then turn that thing into weird thing.
This is American pop culture. Don't assume people in other parts of the world accepts this degeneracy.
Considering the actual population of the world, you could argue there’s an OVER-representation gay/LGBTQ characters.
That's the problem. They think everyone is at least bi at minimum but social norms have repressed it. This is the act of the sex obsessed who resent their limited dating pool trying to actively recruit, all while screaming that nobody can be influenced at all in terms of their sexuality so they aren't doing anything wrong. People aren't psychologically immutable; the influence and elevation of aberrant sexuality to virtue status IS having an effect on children everywhere this stuff is pushed.
@@turntoyou I agree. The amount of people in the US identify as something in the LGBT community skyrockets every generation and statistically speaking it’s just bizarre. The media and social norms definitely impact whether someone considers themselves LGBTQ.
I made this point in another forum and added about it being force-fed.
Some idiot had the gall to say straightness is also being force-fed.
Apparently a thing that is the norm and commonplace is "force-feeding."
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@srichael2713 Considering straight people are vital to the human race’s ongoing existence, I don’t get why some people in the LGBTQ community have a problem with media mostly portraying straight couples. It’s the norm for obvious reasons.
@srichael2713 having a mom and a dad = indoctrination, now? Wow. Who knew nature was such a bigot, lol, as to give children to the straights and make that the only reproductive pairing! Almost like there's something uniquely good and useful to humanity in the union of man and woman, but we can't have that. Oh no.
Being a mixed race woman I always hated the idea that I need a character to look like me in order for me to like it. One of my favorite characters is Sokka. I'm not a man, Inuit, or proficient with a boomerang. Yet I still identify with him. I don't need to be represented in every form of media. And just because the character looks like me doesn't mean I'm gonna like them.
That's because you're a normal human being, whereas the people who say stupid things like that are bigoted narcissists who project their issues onto everyone else.
Growing up, the character I identified with was Luke Skywalker. I'm not a man, and I'm not a blond farmboy from the desert--but I identify very much with being expected to do things the "experts'" way, overthrowing expectations, finding one's true power in love and truth rather than in the Approved Skills, and defeating the narcissistic monster by just saying "no".
*Based Economy*
A lot of black folks love anime. Especially Dragon Ball where are zero black main characters.
I'm an Asian and I prefer American movies with characters that don't look like me.
And I'm not Chinese since I'm watching Chinese drama or Budaxia.
And yet, the straight man hero stories are making money
It's never enough, and if there would ever be a day it was, they'll immediately turn on each other.
Exactly!!! Democrat here!!! 99.9% of the world is heterosexual straight likes the opposite gender always has been always will be no matter how much "representation" these freaks shove down our throats. Why is Japan and anime winning? They understand that traditional love family and values is what sells. Not giving everyone a piece of the pie just because especially when it'll never be enough for them anyway LGBTQ crap isnt unique special or interesting anymore it's nothing but a joke now anyway. Men and women need each other for survival support and love. I don't get how America has forgotten that over the years.
I’m a woman and I read superhero comics because I like the superheroes the way they are. Don’t change them for me! I don’t like those changes!
"DC Comics is too male"
They could've not given Superman Jr. a boyfriend.
The majority of comic book fans are dudes not women.
I wonder why nobody has figured this out yet.
No, not the majority. We are all dudes.
@user-pv9dt6uc7r it's objectively "not all." It's closer to 80/20, or 90/10.
Comic books were for kids...they still are...good grief.
@@denroy3 That's quite the tell. What are homocharacters doing in stories for kids?
Western Comic Books and Video Games are in the biggest dick-measuring contest to see who can piss off and alienate their core audience the most.
Marvel and DC haven't had a straight men in them in almost a decade at this point.
Yet their most popular and sellable characters continue to be Spider-Man, Ironman, Captain America, Thor and Hulk. All straight white men. None of their diverse heroines they are pushing comes close.
That whole industry is as confused as the mythical audience it chases.
I'm not even a comic book guy but good Lord, these freaks will just never stop will they? Movies, TV shows, video games, table top games, comics it doesn't matter. It's never enough for these people. 💀
Gate-keeping is a good thing change my mind.
they wont be satisfied until the washington monument is just a giant dildo
Gate keeping is how you keep the barbarians out.
@@markcarpenter6020 I've tried replying to you twice now and twice my comment has been deleted. I'm not sure what I'm saying that is pissing off CZcams so I'll just say this... I totally agree with you, mate! Gate-keeping is necessary!
@@HammerHeart3229 it's ok you tube has been censor happy ever since election season started. I've had times I had to rewrite posts and change words half a dozen times. And that's if I notice it's not posting.
Gate Keeping is unnecessary. All companies need to do is stop reading/consuming social media.
Just put polls on your websites, or in your products, and see the customers voices instead.
As a Nigerian, i will never understand why many western businesses, especially in entertainment media, have been making dumb economic decisions for the past decade. Why alienate your core audience and try to appeal to people who have no interest? Why use toxic identity politics?!
1st world problems logic. I don't know how to explain it well, but they follow a logic with a lot of flaws
You can't compel people to adopt your preferences. They like what they like. Guilt and shame breeds resentment not converts.
They lying. And the women who've been writing are total garbage. Sales for She-Hulk show that.
That's because feminists erase any woman who doesn't need their patronage. Not gonna join the hen party and proclaim yourself a victim? No job for you!
Graham Nolan and Chuck Dixon are still making great comic books. No one cares about Marvel or DC or their misandry.
Not just misandry, but heterophobia and christophobia as well
As a straight woman I cannot stand drama and everything is inflicted with drama. Storyline is different than drama f the feelings more action!
Because the drama club wants to read comics.
Marvel had gone to shit since Stan the man died.
Since before, when he was being held prisoner.
The funny thing is a lot of the gay guys I know really don’t care about the orientation of the character, they just want them to be cool, so who exactly are they pandering to?
Answer?
Themselves.
To summar up: they'll never be gay enough for progressive journalists' view.
More like, they'll never be gay enough for busybodies to give enough patronage.
Because you know that's what this is about. It's not about principles; it's about slaking one's ego by being a "champion" or "ally".
I liked the time when calling something gay meant that it was bad.
@@MemoristCed agree
Most women find grown men reading comics to be losers nerds etc.
That depends on the generation.
I'm a woman and I don't think that way at all. I mean, I read comics.
@@tultsi93 it honestly depends on how old the people are. For Gen X and older women (and men) looked down on anyone over the age of like 14 who read comics. It's nowhere near as bad now as it was back then.
I think that used to be the case, but I think younger generations have largely grown beyond that simce cape movies became mainstream blockbuster fare. Those FB polls that were run a decade ago may not prove that more women read comics, but you can easily infer that the stigma about them no longer exists or has significantly diminished.
It also depends on the culture. Obviously there is no such stigma in Japanese society where comics is an accepted form of entertainment for all ages.
Ok so not enough boys are buying Barbie dolls. How do we reach out to these millions of potential customers??
If you turn all your Barbies into baseball bats, you’d sell a lot to boys now but lose the girls
Pretty much every new character that DC and Marvel Comics have brought out recently has been LGTQ and whatever but the massive problem around that is that every new character can't be shown in a negative light in the slightest, therefore, the characters fade into the background and most of them are created by bottom feeders who are basically just terrible writers and because of that they have no chance.
Right because they ejected the B out of their club.
Remember when one of the New Warriors was literally chubby adult Dora the Explorer complete with magic backpack? And that was a couple years back, it's only gotten less creative and more nonsensical since then...
As a child, I remember a story book about someone making this worse every time they tried to fix or improve the thing they broke. Never realizing they were the problem
Anime>Marvel And DC
Marvel and DC were great in the past.
@@wesmcinerny4524That’s because they had people that gave a crap.
Might want to be careful with over hyping a side that has had it's bad periods as well
Yes.
@@michaelkehaEverything has a bad period. You just have to find the good stuff. Or like Chargeman Ken, so bad it's good.
The only females I see at comic book shops are moms taking their sons there.
Female human = woman. We're having a lot of difficulty keeping hold of the word right now, and would appreciate you helping us by using it more.
@@MemoristCed International Women's Day would like a word, barely an actual woman in sight
@@turntoyou That's exactly what I mean.
Geeky sums it up perfectly!!!
"They put crazy shit out and no one bought it. The End". 👍🏿
The big two were for male and straight customers until ten years ago, now they’ve moved on to either Manga or French Comics.
French comics are surprisingly good.
Not really true to claim it was for straight people either.
Any gay man could enjoy the muscular men, and any gay woman could enjoy the titular women.
The ones who couldn't enjoy them, where the toxic haters who didn't like the idea that others were enjoying beauty, when they were ugly.
@@markcarpenter6020the French have a rich comic history just like the Japanese.
@@ryanvacation7319 I just stumbled across a few by accident. Ironically when comics first started in the US they were like Japanese manga with massive amounts of genres. Most of those were destroyed by the comics code authority when they were created (nothing supernatural, nothing horror, nothing sexual, etc was allowed). The comics code is why comics got the reputation of being for children and also why superhero was pretty much the only genre left in American comics. Before the comics code horror was actually the most popular genre for comics
French?
CBR has gone down hill for years
CBR was never on the hill to begin with.
Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. - Aristotle
We do not read Aristotle anymore. Otherwise, we might learn about anacyclosis, discover a guy named Polybius, and understand why the Founding Fathers established the U.S. government as they did.
@@MemoristCed Our nation is dead and we are living in its rotting corpse at this point. Our government has no respect for its people, the law, or the constitution.
When you have pregnant Joker and some woman telling Killer Croc that she feels safer with him than an ordinary man, you really need to take a step back and take another look at yourself.
Joker getting pregnant at least is a side effect of a curse Zatanna put on him after him insulting her!
The other one had no excuse to happen. Killer Croc is a deformed reptile-looking cannibal. Anyone with working brain cells wouldn't feel safe around him.
I never got why Killer Croc is suddenly being treated sympathetically. He is a cannibal after all. I am not even sure if that writer knew enough about to know Croc is black.
@emberfist8347 Democrat here!!! Exactly!!! Straight people make up the world and sustain humanity. Why can't America get that through their thick skull. Japan understands that traditional love family and values is what sells not giving everyone a piece of the pie just because especially when it'll never be enough for them anyway. LGBTQ isn't special unique or interesting anymore it's nothing but a joke now anyway. Men and women need each other for survival support and love. Always has been that way always will be that way no if ands or buts about it.
Consumers don’t read their books because the books are low quality.
Marvel And DC When a Female Character is Good Written:🤬🤬🤬🤬
Marvel And DC when a Female Character is woke and Sjw:🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Exactly. There is a reason I am bitter about Stephanie Brown getting canceled as Batgirl, but that was before this woke nonsense and because of a idiotic editor-in-Chief.
Why don't these muppets get together and make their own comic book company and release as many comics about gays and trans and whatever else, if its such a big market they could corner it and make mega bucks rather than ruining already established franchises to include their nonsense
Because they don't want to make comic books, or any other kind of entertainment, they only want stages to preach from. They see media as nothing but a means to spread propaganda - either their's or their enemies'; there's no other option in their minds.
But then they won't be ✨SPECIAL✨ STUNNING BRAVE✨PIONEERS✨YOUR AD HERE✨.
They know deep down that they have no talent to make something original work, that's why known IPs have to be warped to fit that BS.
They don't because they're either propagandists who want to use the established brands as a platform for their agenda, or they're creative hacks and clout chasing posers who think that they will become popular if they can just write whatever bad stories they want with established characters with name recognition under the misguided belief that they can absorb fame, popularity, and success through osmosis or proximity without the need to develop skill and produce quality. (The obsessive completionist collectors who will buy new issues of a partichlar book no matter the quality and for no other reason than because it's that thing they like enable these grifters.) Neither group actually like these characters. They want to control them because they either see them as cultural conquests for their ideology or an easy springboard to something bigger with more clout. I love many superhero movies, but this is a direct consequence of their former popularity and cultural dominance over the last 20 or so years. Mainstream popularity attracts grifters and ideologues who are drawn like moths to the flame of whatever happens to be in the limelight so they can ride it into the ground for their own selfish clout chasing or ideological purposes.
Very simple: They believe success is a matter of luck, not effort. They live in a culture of patronage and privilege, having earned very little of their own throughout their lives (or having been taught that failure is the Worst Outcome Possible rather than just a learning opportunity), and that the only way to make things "fair" is for those who have succeeded to give (or be forced to give) to those who have not.
It colors their economic policies, their social ideas, and their political agendas. It also corrupts any religious ideas they might have swimming about in the rainbow-colored welter of unexamined impressions that passes for their opinions (for example, redefining "Father" as "Sugar Daddy" and then rejecting God when He doesn't deliver them from having to pay their bills).
Male and straight are 99% of their audience. It makes sense. Also, that statement is so wrong because Marvel is ruled by woke lesbians who make LGBT fanfics.
Poorly written women is the problem. Watch Frerin Beyond Journeys End for how to write female characters
Pretty sure they write bad women on purpose, in hopes of pulling girls in and ruining their mind 👎
Current Marvel and DC comic is too politically correct and lack originality compared to the the previous age of comics. Mostly because they target the wrong audience and lack actual talents who can draw.
considering the current state of comics, this should tell you everything. even that mess is not enough, because nothing ever will be.
I think Wess hit the nail on the head. They did this in video games too.
It is not that women don't play games or read comics, but the types of games or comics they enjoy are not the same.
Saying the segment who plays candy crush is equally crossed over with Elden ring or CoD is a lie. Yes, women play games but by the numbers it is mostly mobile.
In comics back when you had actual diversity in comics there was more than just superhero comics. Superhero comics just became the best genre after all the legal crap.
Manga sells because it has something for everyone. They arent trying to shoehorn Seinen concepts into Shonen manga and vice versa. You have horror, romance, superhero, martial arts, painting, slice of life, FUCKING FISHING! There is even a short series that was made an anime about an office worker who is a foodie that enjoys eating out after she finishes her shift. She explains what she enjoys about the dish in a manor that could fit on the food network and the art is done really well.
A show like that is fun, and it exists because people want to see it. They're sucessful because they dont chace the mythical modern audience.
These lies are perpetuated by talentless frauds who are desperate to be something in life. The only thing they've ever done is be a pain in the ass.
And the real shame of it is...they lack the mindset to even improve. There are people who have been in the comic book industry for nearly eight years now that have not improved an IOTA. If anything, most of them have actually gotten WORSE at what they do! They didn't have anyone to challenge them or correct their behavior, and they just...coasted on down the slope of declining sales. It's the worst thing about it, honestly: that these talentless hacks never even TRIED, or even had the inkling to try.
I used to see fledgeling creators who really weren't all that good spread their wings and become greats. They had mentorship from the greats, and a work environment that fostered creativity rather than paranoia. It was the best feeling to see somebody BECOME great, because nobody starts that way. Now, we've been robbed of even that pleasure.
They've broken the industry at its very core, and then wonder why they don't get more work. The flywheel has halted, and there's no way to restart it. You'd have to build a new one from the ground up.
My 18 year old niece reads manga and all her friends do
If they wanted women in comics, why’d they blacklist the Soska sisters? Because it’s not about the people in comics, it’s about controlling what comics say. And nobody wants to pay to be lectured to. Nor do they want to pay for bad stories and really bad art.
Who are the Soska sisters? And why did they blacklisted them?
The comic industry's biggest problem is that now, after years of this, I literally don't care anymore. This is the first time in years I haven't placed an order and the first time in decades that I just didn't buy Iron Man. At all. Nothing. Done.
Real professional female artists were at videogames where they can do what their instintcs tell them: VARIATIONS at concept art or story lines.
The failures that can't get actually hired by their talents were at comic books.
Now the actual artists are doing comissions and the hacks are EVERYWHERE.
Old enough to remember when Marvel and DC still catered to straight white males.😢
Can someone please explain to me, exactly what is wrong with being male and straight? Because am genuinely confused.
Straight men are the majority, that's why.
Patriarchy and heteronormatovity are why. It's an ideological leftist thing that comes out of neo-Marxism/critical theory where the only truth is power dynamics where the world is divided between the haves and the have nots, oppressors and the oppressed. Anything considered dominant and normative are considered inherently oppressive.
Nothing whatsoever unless you're an actual bad person.
Many people imagine slights and associate them to a certain object or people. That is the problem of these Wøk3 dummkopfs.
I'm willing to bet that bad experience with male figures like fathers have something to do with it as well.
Thus the goal posts move further for it will never be enough
Uh CBR needs to put their glasses on.
Nothing can be wrong (sorry couldn’t resist)
I guess these people won't be satisfied until they completely destroy the industry. With rare exception, I basically won't touch anything from Marvel after 2015 Secret Wars or anything from DC after 2018/2019 Doomsday Clock. These people are the absolute worst, and I despise what they've done to corrupt and destroy the Big Two.
How can that writer identify the women characters and creators?
Is he a biologist?
Manga > Marvel and DC comics
Fax
They do not even deserve the comparison.
Marvel and DC alone can rot together in a ditch.
Come on girls, when are you gonna step up? Less Kardashians, more Swamp Thing.
Meanwhile I’m excited for the next volume of Uzaki Wants to hang out, My Dress Up Darling, and Monster Musume coming out this year.
Monster Musume? I was certain it was finished since they haven't released a volume for years.
@@linusgustafsson2629 I had to look it up almost a year and a half ago, it’s been on hiatus because the author was working on another monster species series. I think he wanted a break from Monster Musume but since his new series got canceled fairly not that long ago, he’s been considering on returning to Monster Musume. The 17th and I think up to the 19th volumes are out but only in Japan.
CBR is still around? What is it now, hobby writers that are catering to the 3 people that read them?
Uh... not anymore they're not.
This is like
When Coke Cola changed their recipe back in the 80s and everyone hated it
Only Coke was smart enough to change back.
This is where we all lean into the capitalist system we hold so dear and NOT SPEND OUR DAMN MONEY. If you want them to change, don't buy their crap or give their sites traffic. They 1000% will fold eventually, by necessity, if enough people hold the line. There are zero companies that will bankrupt themselves over ideology. Some are pushing it pretty far but they will ultimately cave. Money drives everything, so just don't give them any and the problem will take care of itself.
That would explain why they have Cømm13-L3ft1st leanings.
The Capitalist system punishes failures. You want you product to be bought? Then make it good or acceptable.
Didn’t they just describe the majority of the customers who buy American comics?
I agree, Marvel and DC needs to add more trim to the comics, preferably with less clothing if they want me to start buying their content again. Also they will have to pull out ALL of the ESG degeneracy they've put into their comment. I'm not buying ANY comic where they retcon the comic to turn a straight character gay. I'm not buying any comic where they advocate for communism &/or turn a formerly patriotic hero into a german from wwII. I am not buying any comics where the artist draws bean mouth and couldn't draw an abdominal let alone an eye.
It's like complaining that Power Pack had too many kids.
Are we going to keep allowing the idiots to completely destroy everything? 🤦♂️ we all realize all the canons will be completely destroyed and you can’t take any of it back right? Dammit
Well they are male brands and most men arent gay soooo
There are plenty of woman, gays and diverse heroes in comics. But there are two problems with them. 1) They don’t get enough limelight.2) Their put into terribly written stories by inexperienced writers
*Years of turning many characters gay*
CBR: STILL TOO STRAIGHT!
I'm one of those womanpeople who grew up reading the standard Marvel, DC stuff. Not any more. Now it's absolute trash. Nothing wrong with diversity, but it has to be written in well. What we've been getting for far too long is absolute crap thrown at us by talentless ideologues. I've got better things to do with my money than spend it on reading about pregnant male Transformers.
Of course, maybe they want to destory the comic book industry?
Some titles are shifting back. The current run of James Bond 007 has him as a drinking womanizer and an excellent story concerning an old Cold War weapon that has been stolen. Welcome Back 007!!
This is hilarious after seeing so many creators get high profile comic runs purely for them not being either white, male, and/or straight for the past few years and backfiring horribly because they forgot to also look for talent and passion. Seriously check either the comic "news" sites or walk into a store. Now so much actual good books and characters have been tainted because of this crap.
I use to get annoyed about superheroes being a "boys" thing but after awhile you learn it's statistics rather than sexism, because yeah guys tend to gravitate to superheroes while some women do like them there are more likely to gravitate to slice of life or Indies/manga. Trying to make so many comics more "female and LGBT friendly" alienated even the female and LGBT audiences they had already for people who treat as a form of activism or something to tweet about.
The world may be close to even with the gender split but the market for comics isn’t that way and over representing people definitely is not the solution. It won’t bring this huge group of fans to the product. Also by over representing the 13% they won’t get all of that group to read their comics and they definitely will lose more fans than they’d ever gain. I’m so tired of this over compensation because of the past. They can’t naturally increase the representation to ACCURATE levels, it must be overly represented and falsely portray the population.
This is what happens when you remove talented writers/artists (Geoff Johns, Ivan Reis, and other stars left). Now they're gone and you have these people that shouldn't even be writing comic books in the first place. They sacrifice plot and replace it with a political tone, or downgrade the main character of the book to try and prop up a character nobody cares for.
I can't grasp why just about all fans can see this but the corporate big wigs can't. Look at the Energon-Verse. Its a total masterpiece and the only books I read on a regular basis. Talented team, they understand the characters and universe, and old/new story elements are mixed perfectly! People want to read a good story, not the crap I described above thats being produced from DC
Wonder Woman Mystique Carol Danvers Harley Quinn vixen etcetera etcetera I don't understand what they mean by there's not enough women bro there is literally an entire team in DC called the birds of prey and the Gotham City sirens
I just came back from reading
A manga called
The 35 year old Magical Girl
It was fraking hilarious
It had more storyline for a comedy than Captain Marvel
How much gayer can comics get?
Superhero comics had a good half century run but it's done now. Time to move on.
Comic book fans need to grow a spine and push back against this stuff, stop reading comics you know are crap, I’m only reading old stuff
Never allow reality to ruin a good lie.
Shouldn't we allow it? Let bankruptcy ruin their long series of good lies that got them to where they are today?
I used to own a Comic Book Store, for 24 years! It was SJW PC 'WOKE' Gay Garbage that put me out of business. And it wasn't the start of it. No one, especially me, had a problem with Obsidian, Batwoman, Northstar, Wiccan, and Hulkling being gay. My customers DID have a problem with Alan Scott, Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Wolverine, Iceman, Colossus, and Hercules being turned gay. Alan Scott especially ticked people off because his popular daughter Jade was erased by DC! My customers immediately dropped every Marvel and DC Comic! They went 'WOKE', but I was the one who went broke! In fact, every Comic Book Store in my area went out of business! You now have to drive 150 miles in any direction to buy a Comic Book now.
I don’t care if a comic has a woman, man, gay or whatever person as the lead. I just care the story is good.
You don't have to appeal to the crowd, but if you're interested in making money, that's what you have to do. You can go on your own path and hope you strike it big, which does happen, but be prepared for the chance of failure.
True embodiment of comicsgate, only in the opposite direction.
Preach Sparky!!!
What? I thought all the characters were gay. What characters are straight?
Probably the evil guys. Which is unfair. They should be 50% gay and woman, and also good people.
Stephanie Brown still is which is a big reason why turning her boyfriend gay is so unpopular as the couple had a strong bisexual following.
To quote ItsAGundam....
"Hollywood is Dead
Watch Anime Instead"