🍄 Don't Let Contams Get You Down (Mycology Pep Talk with Sage) 🍄
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If you are facing issues with contamination in mycology, then don't let it get you down too much. People from all skill levels will face contamination in cultivation, for all sorts of reasons. What is important is how you react to it and, more importantly, what you learn from it so that your next attempt improves. Some say it is failure but I disagree, with experimentation especially it is the name of the game and how methods get refined. Just keep tabs on what works and what doesn't and always strive to improvement!
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Oh shiiit
I appreciate you showing and talking about contamination, people act like they never get contaminated and everything is always grand
People don’t get contamination…until they do 😂
@@edwardgrand 😂
Contamination is part of the process. I appreciate that you show us. Hard work and determination will win
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shout out to all the trich 🗣💪🏽
If it weren't for trich and friends mycology would be too easy
It's helpful seeing that I'm not the only one who has issues and encouraging that we can help each other to persevere
Great topic
One of the 15 pints of Guinness I drank last night must have been contaminated coz I'm feeling rough AF today. Happy holidays bro, love the channel and all the work you do for us.
Happy holidays! Thanks Merchant!
Ever since I got an air purifier with a hepa filter I haven't gotten any mold contamination. I just run it an hour before I do any SAB work or spawning to bulk.
I use one as well, I think the cause is more spawn related although there’s substrate issues as well
Well then let me be the first to ward off trich and any other contams by saying how much I appreciate the knowledge that u share with this community. I can honestly say that u n munch have tought me more than u know and I thank you for that
Have a wonderful holiday I wish u the best in everything u do
Thank you Beeker 🥹 Happy holidays! 🍄 ❤️
Just found ur channel a few days ago Now I'm ur biggest fan. Keep pushing content. While u have contams keep posting. Show us what they llook like, etc. Every moment is a learning moment
You're very right, Be sure to join the rest of the community in the discord and reddit if you haven't. Always learning and sharing
Thank you! I’ll keep pushing you bet!
Another great video! My entire house is a contamination vector (four dogs) and I knew that going into this venture so I made an extra special effort to limit or narrow my vectors but understanding (and from your advice as well) that contamination will be an issue at times.
I also know that being a newbie I don't even know what contamination looks like half the time so vids like this that show contamination in situ are very valuable. I built a laminar flow hood, I built a still air box, I have gallons of Iso alcohol, I use gloves, I adhere to sterilization protocol, etc, etc, etc. Every day I look forward to learning more and thank you for being a part of that journey. I have several grows that are going very well and a couple that did not go well but there is still knowledge to be found in everything.
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merry chrimas sage thank you for all the info you have shared with us this year
Thanks Bills, looking forward to next year!
I found these little filters built to put in the vents so it's not blowing anything into the room and have a hepa filter running at all times except when I'm doing SAB work and it's cut my contam down but it's for sure a part of the game, part of the fun is learning to avoid the pitfalls.
Also, I am not disappointed at all, I like seeing someone go through real situations, I'm here for the knowledge, not the fruit shots ;)
You're actually a legend and you're paving the path on CZcams for us Mycos , finally a TC on CZcams.
Thank you 🙏
Thank you for putting this out brother. I know when I first started, seeing everyone have perfect results all the time made me feel worse when I started getting contamination. Happy holidays Sage
Thank you Tony! Happy Holidays to you as well!
Thank you for allowing us on your journey. One of the best life lessons I learned was when I was learning to ski. My brother told me, as I was picking myself up again after falling, “you learn more from your failures than success.
Well said!
Bro don't worry I just listened to a Dave wombat interview and he said he gets constant contamination because he grows in a way that's more risky. This video is more informative than pictures of mushrooms. Thanks for the video.
Thank you Cody 🙏 Your words are much appreciated!
Im sure you'll find the source of the contam in no time!
Thanks Ecly!
Had one shoe box of Mexicana and one monutub of treasure coast contam this week. But hey now I have 2 TC pinning and my pan cyans on coir only is pinning.
Hey that’s awesome! Growing the poo lovers in monotubs as well?
@@Mycophilia yes 3 quarts of spawn in 33 quart mono.
Thanks. Happy Holidays Sage!
Happy Holidays Mac!
Appreciate the honesty brother 👊 your right though, that's what it's all about.
Another great video, thanks Sage! Growing takes patience and its always a learning process. The rewards are worth it!
💯 thanks Steve and Happy Holidays!
I really appreciate you talking about contams, problems with grows, etc. It’s way more helpful for new growers. Most other channels show these amazing grows that happen fast and without any difficulty and it seems like everything should be so easy. When you’re new, shit happens at various stages, things don’t work out, your tubs stall and it’s hard to figure out where you went wrong. So I much prefer you talking about the struggles because it gives me hope. In fact, I would love to see a video about stalled grows, causes, what to do, etc. I have a bunch of stalled tubs that are fully colonized, no apparent contam, fruiting conditions seems good, and they’re just not pinning or fruiting and I don’t know why. They’ve been in FC for like 3 weeks. All different genetics. It’s super frustrating.
My pops said the sides of ur jar looks like it "gotta black puddle" in it 🖤
what's in the mug sage? 🍵
Coffee lol 😂
@@Mycophilia thought so, was hoping for something more interesting though xD
Just found you, awesome stuff man 🙌 keep up the hard work!
Appreciate it! Glad to have you here!
Sage love yiur content, spot on and ive had so much success just from following u and other i fluencers, but gotta say man your way of explaining things and your trip experiences sound so familiar!! And sound slike what ive gone thru just small differences man.. crazy!! 🍄 🍄 🫠😊😮💙💙
Cheers Jwood! 😊
You said exactly how I feel about growing these mushrooms! I enjoy your videos! Very helpful! Thanks for your time and effort to share your knowledge!
Mate, def do not feel ashamed .... we are all going through similar situations so it's great that you keep it real and we can all feel slightly better with some Trich on Christmas day😂
😂 Merry Christmas!
One thing I noticed that may help your followers...if you don't fully hydrate your grain your mycelium and grain will get dry and you will not be able to rehydrate your grain later unless you use heat which you can't do at that point. This allows contam to get a head start after mixing your grain into substrate since our mycelium is slowed down due to it not being able to properly feed off it's grain. Proper grain hydration will allow your mycelium to properly feed throughout your colonization process. A good way to check is by making sure you can somewhat easily crush the grain in-between your fingers. If you can't crush it that means it probably needs more hydration. I like to soak popcorn all night and then pressure cook it for 35mins..i then drain and allow the excess water to evaporate off of the grain before adding it to the jars. I then pressure cook the jars for 1 and a half hours. Now inoc and watch your mycelium thrive! Mush love
The perfect song for this is "You can't bring me down" by suicidal tendencies
Lol First off, let's take things from the start. Perfect 😂
Thanks for posting this I needed to hear this I’ve tried to spawn 3 bags so far and every time they’ve all gotten contaminated just gonna keep trying!
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Try birthing a jar cake and fruit without mixing substrate. Not as many fruits, but at least u get something.
@@bobbobby2978how do u birth a cake before u inoculate a substrate jar
Great videos! Im subscribed to all of your channels and love your content.
Thank you! 😊
One thing that can bring about black mold and probably other contamination is wireless RF frequencies.
Black mold and other bad types of things like that apparently have been increasing since the wireless cellular began increasing.
All these RF frequencies are weaponized in many ways including making us all nodes in the Internet of bodies, its already been going on for many years.
Sabrina on odyssey knows alot about it.
Everyone always tells me my grains are at fault, and they are right in most cases. I'm still in search of my perfect grain.
Rye grain are my favorite. Soak for 12 hours, simmer for 20 minutes and pressure cook at 15 PSI for 90 minutes. It's the most generic recipe but it has been my favorite since the beginning. Good luck overjoyed!
Brown rice all the way
I get 50lbs of wheat from the local co op ($12.50 a bag)Soak it for 6hrs with low ppm tap water at about 115degrees. Then put it on the stove with enough water and slowly (like low to halfway to medium) and slowly let it get up to 180, then pull it and allow it to drain. Load and I pressure cook for 2.5hrs at 15psi at 4500ft elevation
Does the grain size matter? Long, medium, or short?@@bobbobby2978
I listened to this while dealing with the subject. I'm gonna make this a habit. ☮️❤️🍄
Yeah I've been having problems for awhile. Need to break down and do some water Agar and do some clean up. Lost a few phenos recently sucks.
Thank you for being real.
Always good info Sage!
Appreciate it!
We had fungus mites once, that was crazy!
So nice keep making these videos...
Thank you, I will!
Sage, your video's are really great so you deserve all the new subs, I have been wondering if you only use Hypochlorous acid for you aseptic prep or do you use 70% alcohol also ? I have read the the HA that you use has a small shelf life maybe 2 weeks max and wondered if that could be an issue for you. I also wondered if you have just gotten Trich spores in your environment which is very easy to do possibly in your air circulation . I am just a learner but with you years of experience I doubt your procedure has failed you so it is probably material issues like you suspect. Any way this is the best shroom channel out there and you deserve the growth. Thanks for your hard work. Gary
I'm learning so many things from you. Thanks man!
Awesome, thank you!
Happy 4th sage!!
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I had to throw out a grain bag mid-colonization this morning. Thanks for the perspective. 👍
God loves the mushroom people that’s why he tests us .Trich is the rights of passage ceremony we all must transverse .
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Cheers To Everyone ✌️.
If your not getting contam your not growing. It’s never a fail it’s a learning experience.
There’s the problem sage. I changed cor also and have same issues. That’s where it’s coming from
💯 thanks for the comment Chris!
TRYING TO PREVENT TRICH!!!!!....this channel and the OG one are awesome
Thanks!
Happening to me right now out of no where
Trich can infuse into plastic. Might be time to get new tubs.
I think alot where the contamination comes from is from spraying down the substrate. The water could be bad or you have some spores flying around land on the spray bottle nozzle and then you spray all those spores and crap on the substrate. If you do everything right you do not have to mist
Once fully colonized and the spawn was clean, it is very very hard to contaminate unless you have a seriously high spore load in your house for whatever reason. As for the mist, that wholly depends on the TEK. Some teks do need lots of misting, like SGFCs. I’ve had tubs go on for 4+ months. Misting and dunking galore, no contamination.
What brand of coir did you switch to? I recently found out that all coir is NOT equal. The garden coir tends to be purposely riddled with trich because it breaks down in your garden better. The coir for reptile bedding (terrarium) is left clean.
I had nothing but trich problems using various brands from my garden center. I recently ordered some tried and true brand terrarium coir with hopes of good success.
I have found some lists of problematic brands on the Shroomery... take it for what it's worth. This is a variable worth talking about.
Yes indeed! I use to have a video on the old channel talking about that. Been meaning to get around to re-editing it! Thanks for the comment!
@@Mycophilia
Thank you very much for sharing this, I really needed to listen to because I get really down with failure (I'm working on it!) :') ❤ Can you share please your method to wash and sterilize the jars after getting out the colonized grain? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Thank you very much in advance! 🍄☺️
You’re in luck! I already have a video on that :)
czcams.com/video/FJmXVLYp954/video.htmlsi=NSi9_2iNTbJen9ER
@@MycophiliaOMGGG 😍🙌🏻❤️🙏🏻🥰🍄 thank you very very much!!
Wow. I had the same mold. It is either Aspergillus/Penicill, Basidiospores, or Pithomyces. This happened to me this last winter. This is what I found in the air in my unit. More on this later…
What I found, and I cannot figure out is, everything I did worked until late November 2022. I started in July 22 and it was NOT clean. Yet. Everything I did was perfect. I was blown away.
Late November 2022 and it was went down hill. It felt like the cleaner I went the worse it got. I mean LC, agar, grow bags from different vendors. All of them went bad and it smelled really bad. Atrocious. It was also horribly expensive.
I isolated the room, smaller room, cleaner air, you name it. I thought maybe it was a bad batch of agar plates. Then I said, “spore to LC. Those went bad. I thought, “maybe it’s the LC ingredients.” Admittedly, I think I did use the wrong peptone. I didn’t get the soy based.
I had been using the same sterile techniques as a two months prior. That is when I really began to perfect on my process. At least I thought. I had the pressure cooker, LC, all stainless steel all sterile utensils. My earlier fruits were finishing up.
But the upgrades and new plates … I dunno. It was bad. Finally I gave up and said, “maybe it’s too cold. It is winter..” my place gets warm but dry and I didn’t feel like risking worse contamination with a humidifier so by December, which was my 7th grow bag, and then I gave up. I said, “let me revisit in the spring.”
I tried maybe 3 in January. All went bad. LCs smelled like yeast. It wasn’t worth it anymore. So I cleaned up. And decided I’d also had enough with the air quality in my place. In late February I hired an air quality engineer.
I live in a colder climate and in an hoa. The heat is radiator steam. Except the radiators don’t let steam out. It does let the spent air our and sucks air back in. I was having trouble with them and odd smells in each room. The windows may as well be open because they let so much air in.
The engineer brought several tools. Including an infrared camera.. She found all sorts of places where the air was coming in. I found more gaps. Found a vent pipe that was cracked in my laundry closet. (Shared by two units below me)
Long story short, I believe it was the air quality. It is these dang heaters and all the other gaps in my baseboards , beside the windows etc. I mean I have window air conditioning in the summer and that wasn’t an issue. Once I took my air conditioners out. Closed up for winter, it went down hill.
By march, I doubled and tripled down. My first inoculation was on April 8th. It’s not contaminated but finally ready to fruit. I see the pins. The room i used was gutted and redone. I put metal at the bottom of the wall and acrylic midway. Used a primer to prevent mold, an extra air purifier, now there are two. Metal shelves. You name it.
Everything is finally back to the way it was but i will say this, once they shut off the heat, everything began to grow quickly. That was May 8th. Since then it sped up quickly. In the last two weeks, bag inoculated are showing rizzo 14-21 days in. My plates are happy. My newer LC is clear. I expect to be pinning very soon. Hopefully.
Check your air quality. Including heat vents. Maybe put a new filter in there. Maybe over the heater vents. Unfortunately, I need to hire someone to come take my radiators out and clean them inside and out.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
That's what I have 😜 getting
Could you make a hot tea out of the mushroom spawn and mycelium to get the beneficial effects I wonder.
There may not be enough moisture in the one taking forever
I lost my last 3 tubs to trich. Real bummer! I have 2 tubs going now in fruiting stage and I'm getting some decent looking shrooms but in one tub I looked at today it looks like there is a small blueish color starting in a small area. I just noticed it today. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and i hope it's not early contaminated..
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How did it turn out
@@amberlocklear9893 I got trich in one of the last two tubs. The lone remainder tub was successful thank goodness. After those unsuccessful grows I decided to buy a still air box and grew two tubs without contamination. It takes a lot of perseverance, patience, and knowledge. Thanks for asking. Cheers from Wisconsin.
Could your grain issues be from moisture content of the grain? I assume the mycelium needs some moisture for growth and movement.
Do you use the tubs with see through lids for light penetration? The shoebox tubs I get from Walmart has a cream colored, non see through lid. Should I be getting the ones like you have?
can you elaborate on what you mean when you say a t1/t2/t3 plate? Are you talking about transfer plates and you used the first transfer plate?
Yes that’s what I meant!
Not pasteurizing enough. Learned that lesson.
Get an authentic 15psi+ pressure cooker. Pasteurization isn't consistent, regardless of time on yhe burner. It's temp.
And sterilize your grain, pasteurization just isn't consistent. Higher temps = no contam
This was a long time ago but it wasn’t anything to do with the PC cycle. It was the grains, which I had made two videos on :)
I hate rye berries now, idk what supplier you use but my rye jars do the same thing 30% every make it to full colonization, I make sure they are hydrated by biting, then I pc for 150 mins idk what it is but it sucks.
Tams are a major educational experience.
Hey bro, I never tried it but I heard someone say they filled a bottle with 70%distilled water and 30%hydroproxiced... and it helped..
i can,t decide if i want to buy a microscope lol .
Go for it! 😂 who am I to say though, I don’t have one but that may change in the future!
Why not use millet
I'd say price point/ Avaliablity
Wait so after we inoculate the jars we mist them everyday?? I have found at the right temperature the right moisture is created so far my best looking jars are the ones that are touched the least lol I’m hopeful with these bc I’m tired of contam I’m convinced it’s just in my house everywhere
No, jars should be left alone until fully colonized.
I had 3 inflatable circular monotubs using bulk substrate. One strain takes up to 55 days to colonize the substrate. I always get contamination when I do this particular strain. The other 2 tubs colonized within two- three weeks, the issue is when I introduce FAE, they appear to decolonize and the primordia display little bulbs but turns milky then turn yellowish in spots. I sterilize and autoclave everything 30mins longer than required. I wish I could send a pic to get feed back. Everything is from T3 grain spawn bags. I need help! I’m losing too much everything. I had better results when I was growing them in a house that was moldy. Now I’m in a newly built house!!!!
Do they start growing mold after they develop yellow parts? Or is it just the yellowing?
@@Mycophilia it’s just yellowing. I wish I knew where to send a short video with a donation of course!
@@travisnoble-el9138 I appreciate that Travis! You can post a video on YT, give me the link and I will take a look. If you'd really like to make a donation, that would be much appreciated, thank you!
paypal.me/mycophilia.official
@@Mycophilia first things first. I made a short video and it’s on my page. Secondly, I may need to re do the video with some extra lighting. Lastly, I am not good with navigating CZcams
@@travisnoble-el9138 I’ll take a look now
I'm done even trying until I get a laminar flow hood. It's a waste of time otherwise. All you will get for your efforts is a lot of mold.
A SAB is just as effective, and in some cases even more effective than a laminar flowhood. But more unforgiving to user error.
Sterilizing your grains properly is the most important thing.
@@devilsadvocate1338 It’s important but having clean inoculant and sterile technique are just as important. So I’d say it’s 1/3 important to the whole process to getting clean spawn. Thanks for commenting.
@@Mycophilia absolutely!
Hello Sage!
Hope you had a good holiday.
So...I got 17 since spawning and still no pins in my sbox.
Sub looks good, mycelium all through it.
Normal coir lovers too.
Have you had it take that long before?
My last box it took about 6 days to pin.
That is longer than average but it can happen. 6 days is also very fast. Is it a slower growing variety?
@Mycophilia it's a mix of a Texas cubage and PE (PE6).
I hear PE can usually take longer but the "hybrid" here is supposed to act like it's Texas cube parentage.
@@raoulduke8003 ahh yes I’ve grown them before. In that case all you can do is wait and let them do their thing. It’s also possible that whoever packed your genetics sent you the wrong one.
@@Mycophilia thanks for that.
I need to remember patience.
I'll get another box going soon and see what happens while I let the current one keep on going and see if anything pops up!
Chemicals used to grow grains?
It's been a long time since making this video, and the issues presented in this video have long since been addressed. I can't even fully remember what this video was about, but I believe ultimately the cause of my issues at this point was hidden contaminants in the cultures I was using. They came from dirty swabs, and oftentimes when the contaminants on the swab and spores and/or mycelium mingle, you can easily get embedded contaminants that are almost impossible to clean.
what do you do with all the contaminated containers (jars, boxes...) ?
Jars I pressure cook and clean with soap and water afterwards. Tubs I clean with just soap and water (bleach etc.. is overkill and will eat plastic, not to mention it’s pretty bad for the environment), and alcohol wipe prior to using (which I do with all my tubs anyways before spawning).
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What is a T1 plate?
First transfer plate
it would be boring and not useful to just see you succeed. I'm more interested in all the possible problems than all the best techniques.
What's a T1 plate? 4:58
First transfer plate. T2= 2nd xfer
@@Mycophilia Oh gotcha, for some reason, it didn't click. Thanks bud, keep up the good work!
no disrespect or anything like that but maybe try not talking...literally talking into your tub....also R/H is low
With clean spawn they are very hardy. They grow on shit. At least with coir lovers, RH has nothing to do with it, unless you live in a desert. Your surface conditions will tell the story as to whether they’re happy or not. And these contamination issues have already been solved, nothing to do with any of the things you stated. No disrespect.
def need it warmer
….no
Not enough fae will cause contamination. Goodluck