Is the Hell Let Loose British Forces update dead on arrival?
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2024
- Is the new British Forces update for Hell Let Loose dead on arrival?
In this video we look at more than just the update itself, but the other issues that the new Hell Let Loose developers are having to contend with to convince the player base to stay.
Is the New Hell Let Loose British Forces update historically accurate? Will the Hell Let Loose grenade bug or loadout bug ever get fixed?
00:00 Intro
00:32 What's the problem?
01:00 The reception of the British Forces update
02:15 The negative points
02:25 The new maps
04:00 The new vehicles and equipment
04:30 Historic accuracy, or lack of
05:15 The bugs!
06:00 The loadout and grenade bugs
07:29 Is the British Forces update dead on arrival? - Hry
I do hope this video is balanced and not overly negative but there is a bigger picture right now.
This new update is important not just because we have new content, but it shows us what the new developer can do, what their idea of "ready for release" is, and most importantly can they multitask?
They have said they want to release new content while addressing historic bugs...well...the new update is here so, have they?! What do you think?
It also says something about their decision-making making and prioritization. Not feeling good after this update.
@@Chris-jr9jl that's what I was thinking with the bridge map and the Cromwell decisions. Though if has been pointed out to me that Driel is actually quite good and that the Cromwell and firefly will bring balance against the German heavies. I feel a bit better about the update now, I guess balance has to come first...
The update is... a mixed bag. The loadout bug is STILL there. Oh what a surprise 😂 Still getting it consistently, same as my friends and half the people on the servers I play on. Haven't had the granade bug in a while though...
On the one hand, they've improved locomotion. I like the slight boost in sprinting, which surely helps when running across an open field or crossing a street under fire. The prone-diving is also a long-awaited mechanic that helps survivability, IMO. But they have royaly (pun intended) messed up the ironsights on the new British weapons. They're innacurate, unpredictable, and have broken ADS when strafing left/right. The sound is also weird. They feel more like a mod, rather than an actual dev made content.
The maps... they're OK. It always takes time to get used to the new maps and figure out the best strategies, so I'm not worried. Also, all maps are imbalanced by design. They're made to replicate the real conditions as close as possible, so yes, that means sometimes they feel like pure hell (that's the name of the game, lol).
I do find the Driel map a questionable choice. We could have gotten a more interesting setting like south of Italy, when the allies crossed the Mediterranean from Africa... but oh well, maybe next time?
In general, not taking the bugs into account, I feel like it was something they did, just to get it out of the way. The previous devs have teased the Brits for so long that the new team released them in a mostly finished state just to keep people from complaining. But seriously, no desert uniforms? No beige shorts for El Alamein? Not even going to talk about woodland tank camo, which can be seen from across the map immediately...
Anyway, I hope they start fixing things now rather than adding new content. These bugs are making it more frustrating to play than any lack of content, TBH. Not ready to write off the new team as incompetent or too focused on mainstream gaming. I think we need to get a couple of more updates before we can make that claim. But this game is hard to balance. The current balancing was made for when the game had far less content, factions, and maps. So to make it historically accurate, they need to start working on complete rebalancing of everything. Starting with map specific content, rather than have everything available at all times. Map specific loadouts, weapons, vehicles, camos, etc. Only then can we talk about historical accuracy, IMO.
I've been in this game for almost 3 years and to be honest, this update is the most disastrous for all the time of my participation in this game😅
You correctly said that the developer rolled out a large number of fixes (but let's be honest, these fixes are not entirely noticeable even for old players)
For that, critical errors are very noticeable.
In your video, you didn't mention:
* Broken RCON (no ability to change map)
* An accurate strike by the commander of the British side destroys their own equipment
* A very weak faction of the Britons (such a feeling that the developers deliberately took the worst weapons from the USA and the USSR and gave it to the British: D)
* Optimization of new maps is very bad, micro friezes from the server side (I understand that there were friezes on the Stalingrad map due to the large number of houses, but where are the lags on El Alamein)
* Uniforms for the Germans and the British (it's very funny to look at the British in brown uniforms among the greenery of Dril and it's also sad to run after the Germans in black or white uniforms among the sands)
Yes, and I think everyone remembers that earlier the developers conducted open tests of the update before its release, why the same testing was not checked now, it is not clear
@@manrus1441 My PC has struggled with El Alamein but as always it's difficult to tell if it's the map or my crappy PC!
My understanding is they won't let players test new updates as they used to with PTE. They seem to just want to give previews to content creators instead. I hope this means they have a lot of internal QA!
honestly my main complaint is THERE IS NO DESERT UNIFORMS FOR GERMANY OR ENGLAND 😭
@sheath8155 I bet we can wear the winter uniforms though haha! Honestly, if they had a paid for DLC which included desert uniforms I'd buy it, not too much of course, but that's how much I'd want one!
@@twiglets2 I just want to wear shorts as a Brit
@@pindelf2656 As a Brit I find this strangely compelling, must be in the DNA!
I hope they fix that aiming with the british guns. And after that, they can give us some cool desert uniforms. 🇩🇪/🏴
@@farid069 agreed!
As far was tank choices are concerned, as someone else said below, its a matter of game balance. Heck, the Soviet IS-1 heavy tank is the most innacurate of all the tanks in the game. It was never used at Kursk, Stalingrad, or Kharkov as it was only produced from Oct. 1943 to January 1944 when it was replaced by theIS-2. Only 200 or so IS-1s were ever made. Never heard a SINGLE complaint about that tank but here comes the Cromwell and all of a sudden everybody cares!
@swancman you've single handedly ruined the Soviet maps for me while educating me at the same time!
But seriously, thanks for pointing that out, I'll be sure to do the same when someone else raises the Cromwell in future. Heck, I'm going to update the video description for this info.
@@twiglets2 I should also mention that the German Panther and Tiger tanks were never used as Stalingrad 😉
@@swancman Noooo stop it, I can't take any more! To be fair my PC doesn't seem to like those maps so I don't get to play them often
@@twiglets2 only tiger I believe was even created by the time of North Africa as well
I’ve been constantly complaining about the IS-1. The Panther too, it shouldn’t be at Stalingrad.
the driel map is waaaaay better then remagen, cuz you can pass over the river anywhere
@agidotexe7167 literally anywhere? That's amazing! I was so worried about that map being a waste. I've only had a chance to try El Alamein so far so glad to hear some positivity for Driel
Yeah I only got about an hour in this morning before work but Driel plays much better than El Alamein. Wide open desert maps are just meat grinders for recon and vehicles to whore kills.
@@quadrono5714 Interesting to hear - I didn't think much of EL Alamein but the maps are so huge I decided to give it much longer before I judge it too much.
Perhaps Driel will become what Remagen was meant to be...!
The river crossing is really not that bad, it's pretty easy to get across if you find a quiet point
Driel is better then El Alamein imo
Players waiting for the Devs to add fire selectors to guns be like: 💀
@danielcunha4377 Maybe next year / decade
And zeroing the weapons or at least the AT ones...
@@134CR4ZY im not crying, you are
Mixed Feelings
Driel is a great map. It's not a bridge map in anything like the sense that Remagen is. It plays really well. That said it does seem like an odd location choice given the British didn't really fight there much, and all other maps in the game are at locations that involved the factions the game uses. So that's no.1 departure
El Alamein concerns me much more. It can be fun to play, but it's the first map that simply isn't based on the real location as all the other maps are. I don't care about this so much in regard to historical accuracy, more to do with how the map feels. It feels like a game map, the other maps feel like real locations. Using real locations forces interesting map design. Just making things up doesn't involves the same limitations which really keep the maps unique. So a completely made up map that's no.2 departure.
The British weapons are mostly fine in themselves. However, as mentioned once we start wondering into "lets just use that weapon because it exists and is cool" we could start to hit problems. For the most part all other factions stick to weapons that were actually widely used. Sure, as the loadouts are standard that does means some guns exist in battles where they would have not done so historically. But that's very different to just picking weapons that the British army just didn't really use. It's understandable to have a few odd weapon choices for gameplay balance. For example the soviets getting the Bazooka. Sure they had a few, but they hardly used them. However, as having no rocket is such a big disadvantage for garry sniping and AT it makes sense to give the soviets the Bazooka. So that's no.3 departure.
The lack of different British uniform options is fine, if they will just add a few variants and desert camo later. However if they keep it really limited to sell more DLC later then that's an issue. That's possibly no.4 departure.
I think run speed increase and dive to prone is okay in principle. However they should stop you being able to dive, stand, dive, stand so quickly as combined with turning on a dime you get a lot of silly bullet dodging movement. I feel some increase is fine, but maybe a bit less than 15%. With a pause after a running prone before you can get up again this run to prone is actually a good improvement. This could easily push towards no.5 departure, far more arcade like bullet dodging movement.
So at it's worst this update has
1. Started using locations with factions that were not in the battle, and where there wasn't really much of a battle.
2. Just straight making up maps, decreasing their uniqueness compare to other games.
3. Adding weapons that were not really used, or used very little, instead of ones that really were and could have been added instead.
4. Possibly limiting uniforms to sell more dlc.
5. Making movement changes that are not yet, but if not done with care, could make it far more arcadie.
What I would like to see is Team17 make a commitment to is;
1. Basing all future maps on locations where battles actually took place involving the factions used for the map.
2. Basing all future maps heavily on current and historical maps and photos, with tweaks where needed for gameplay
3. Sticking primarily to the most commonly used weapons, with a few liberties where really required for gameplay / balance.
4. Making sure there are a good few uniform options as part of each faction, free.
5. Being cautious to not arcadify locomotion.
I care about all of this far more for the gameplay than accuracy in itself. I don't really care if an STG44 or a tiger are used for battles they didn't get used in. But I do care that maps are heavily based on real locations as that makes them feel so different to most game maps. They feel like real places because they are laid out like real places and look like real places.
Taihavard549 Thank you for the detailed comment, very interesting! I hadn't appreciated that El Alamein included less or no accuracy in the map design, that is a shame in my eyes too and I hope it isn't a trend.
I'm also going to experiment with movement to see how silly it can get. I get the logic behind a speed boost but I hope it doesn't turn into a sticking plaster approach to the problem.
The reason Driel works in post scriptum is because there’s three ways of crossing the river. There’s two buildable barges that compliment logistics. Plus you have the main bridge with multiple different paths you can take.
@robotboogie8998 Driel is in Post Scriptum?! That I did not know. Feedback on the HLL version has been positive so far, but we shall see...
Do you still play Post Scriptum at all?
You can cross the river anywhere you want. The water is shallow and only reaches up to your belly button
the driel river is walkable on in the map you can drive right ac ross with a bunch of infantry
@@amuplay2302 that's excellent news! I was concerned given how easy it is to drown on other maps that the crossing would be quite narrow. If you can cross anywhere that sounds much better... I wonder if there is or will be a night version of Driel, that'd be interesting!
@@twiglets2 I hope so! The only way to drown in the river is if you do the new dive to prone thing right before you're about to walk in the river. Great option instead of having to wait 10 extra seconds when redeploying
So far as I know, this update is largely the final work completed by Black Matter that Team 17 just put together and launched. I don’t think the historical inaccuracies in this update that fly in the face of what they’ve said is their plan for a historically accurate yearly content roadmap are indicative of lies from Team 17, more so that they just didn’t want to waste free dev assets and work from the old team when they could release two
maps and a faction that they can remove the inaccuracies from later. My bet is that Driel eventually becomes a Polish map and a lot of the less used Brit weapons become more rare or are removed due to feedback.
@fifthcolumn388 Repurposing Driel as a Polish map later on would make a lot of sense. Presumably from here on in we can say that any new content is 100% from the new developers, unless Blackmatter had even more assets to contribute!
Hopefully in the future us console people will get a server browser or something of that sort. There’s no telling when we’ll actually be able to play as the British since we only get the find match feature which puts us in a random match on a random map. It would be nice if we could have a battlefield style system where someone could start a server and set the map rotation and stuff like that.
@magpie9-298 I play on PC and have wanted to give console a try but I haven't, pretty much because there's no server browser, it sounds awful! When I played earlier 99% of the servers were the two new British maps so I hope when you do try it will just take you to the new maps anyway. Let me know what your experience is!
@@twiglets2 I’m about to try it now
@@twiglets2 I tried playing earlier and I couldn’t get any of the British maps so but I’ll keep trying and eventually get them. HLL on console is pretty good in my opinion, I’ve never played on pc so I’m sure it’s a lot better there with the server browser and better performance and stuff but it’s so nice to have a milsim type game on consoles and something other than battlefield or cod. The community on console seems pretty big too, It always finds matches really quick generally.
@@magpie9-298 glad to hear you're enjoying it! I hadn't thought of it that way, that there isn't an alternative so it's nice to have something other than cod and battlefield. Hopefully a server browser does come along so you get more choice on maps!
Saw someone saying they think the brit guns are too close to the screen and I agree. Hopefully they fix the viewmodels.
@GabeMiller2SpoonsOfDoom Yes I'm starting to hear that a lot. It's very interesting what comes out of hearing many opinions at once. Some of these issues are only small, but if enough players find it an annoyance that should send it up the developers priority list, you'd hope anyway.
Really good video! Really hope they go back to being historically accurate. Most of us come from battlefield because HLL was historically accurate
@tastybiscuit7922 thank you! I think you hit the nail on the head, it seems strange they're going less historically accurate when that accuracy is what attracted us in the first place!
Have you tried the new update??
I hate to point out but the game was never really very historically accurate tbh
@@Valiguss Several comments have come in to point that out to me. I guess it's disappointing the game isn't as historically accurate as I had thought, but then, it didn't stop me enjoying it. Every day's a school day
Did you play battlefield 1?
The game is pretty historically accurate except for the weapons and the years they’re being used in. People will bitch about stg44s and tigers at Stalingrad is if they need to have different weapons and vehicles for the large variety of maps they plan on making. As far as what they have done well though, they’re covering a wide variety of WW2 battles with maps that are historically accurate, the weapons are well done and close to their real life counterparts. I could honestly care less about weapons being used 2 years early in Stalingrad when we get a historically accurate representation of a Stalingrad through the map itself
Nobody gonna mention the ridiculous run speed w/ lack of stamina and dolphin diving? Or the XP nerfing?
The HLL Dev team legit IGNORED the EXISTENCE of the German Afrika Korps💀😭
Worst thing for me has been hit reg and the fact that being a British military historian makes the update painful
@latch9781 Hit reg is a new one to me. Is it something that has been a problem before or brand new / worse with this update?
@Twiglets2 I've long had issues. I know I suck at FPS, but when you're seeing the bullets hit with no noise or damage, you know it ain't good.
it’s time to revive post scriptum
@TheMedievalboy Now you're talking! I didn't realise until I was told in a comment elsewhere that PS has a Driel map already....!
Hopefully not jinxing myself, but I haven’t had the grenade or load out bug at all recently and I’ve been playing the hell out of HLL
@turntaab5364 I'm glad to hear it! I did a poll recently where the majority said they hadn't experienced either so although I don't think they've removed them completely it seems to be improving. As long as they're making progress I'm happy!
@@twiglets2 no actual footage of the british game play?
@@texanman1998 Unfortunately not, it only released a few hours ago so to get the video out I went with older footage, my PC is on it's last legs also so gameplay capture would have looked like a bunch of potatoes shooting each other!
@@releaseletloose how exactly does it happen for you, is there any pattern to when it happens or what happens from your experience? They're saying it's hard to replicate
I've never gotten the grenade bug, and when I get the loadout bug, it does switch my loadout, but it lets me switch it back.
New weapon animations for British are sub par and both the new smgs are way too close to your character. Feels as if the guns are floating from the characters chest.
@BenC-xq7pm Interesting observation. When I played earlier I was forced to play as Germans, I guess everyone wanted to play as the British, I'll keep an eye out for this, thanks for the heads up!
@@twiglets2 let me know what you think. At first I thought my FOV had been reset but all of my settings were fine.
Today is 04 hundred of the day after release of update 14. I have had one battle on Driel and it was the shortest game ever on any map in HLL that I've played in over a year doing so. Less than 15 minutes. I bet no one collected more than 1000 points in scores because it was so quick. I've been on both sides of steam rolled, but this was the quickest. Hats off to the commander.
Equipment used by either side is a bit off. But it's something we can play with in MHO. That new "communications" is a completely suck operation. Put it in OPTIONS to either allow it or click off it.
Doesn't function well and , to me, annoyance using. Perhaps make a server used my deaf and dumb players ( in game only) to have their play ground and stay out of the big boys neighborhood.
As you cover saying that there is more to evaluate. Generally it is great update. Yes I'll continue to grumble when I want to switch class and I fall out with the same old equipment I thought I switched from.
The amount of lag has grown! But, HEY! I'm in game.
Great report and it's good to have all ideas to be placed so we can all, as player base, chat over them! Cheerio ol' chap! ( see? I'm learning!)
@swampybman7741 Thanks for the update sir and please feel free to keep them coming! It has been very useful so far to hear the varying experiences and opinions. There are annoyances for me also (I'm sure you could tell from the video!) but hearing from everyone so far has made me more positive toward this update, it seems to be generally good with a few key annoyances which is far better than I was expecting....
Grumpy Git 2 here with over 3,000 hourrs in the game, an original backer for it too and this video is spot on in it's description of the latest update.
@wolfenstein6676 Thank you! Are you still playing the game? It'd be useful to hear your experience of the new maps / weapons / vehicles
@@twiglets2 No, I gave up playing the game regularly about 6 months ago due to the zero communication between players nowadays. Add to that, the rage that comes from these 'vocal dummies' when you point out to them that the game is actually rooted in the need for very good communication and it's just became unbearable to play.
However, if there's a new update I'll install it again and test it and that's what I did with the Driel map and it's a decent map. The British weapons are okay, nothing special and the Bren gun iron sights are the same way they are in every other WWII FPS game, big and clunky :) . No Churchill tank included in the update was pretty silly, to be honest, but it's something they can add at a later date.
@@wolfenstein6676 hopefully a step in the right direction and who knows, maybe in an update or two they'll get it right!
I'm happy with the update. The maps are awesome and I actually like this bridge map, especially because you can cross the river anywhere and there are even multiple spots with cover. The movement speed change is a good thing in my eyes with a game that has such huge maps, not to mention it's still a slower sprint speed than Arma 3, Post Scriptum and Squad (watch Terrydactyl's vid for proof).
The most impactful and annoying bug that I have come across (the one where you will open and/or close the bolt on the Kar-98k twice every time you reload from empty) was fixed this update so to me it feels like they are fixing the old bugs and the game is improving.
It certainly isn't perfect, the most glaring thing to me being the awful sway on British weapons when walking. MGs reloading with no animation also remains unfixed. And the Lewis gun seems too inaccurate. Otherwise, I think it has been a very good update all around.
@benrose6627 I'm pleased to hear the positivity! There are real mixed opinions right now but most seem to focus on the choice of weapons and vehicles rather than game breaking bugs etc
Seeing this level of positivity, even if it isn't all of the community is better than we've seen for ages. Onward and upward!!
I am absolutely disappointed by the update from a historical standpoint. I cant help but cringe at everything - uniforms, guns, vehicles, etc
@sturmtruppen-qt1wf You may see that I've been corrected a few times on the historic accuracy side of things. Well, not corrected, but it's been pointed out how much inaccuracy there already was! Panthers in the wrong place etc.
I do understand that a Cromwell makes sense from a balance stand point as there would be no other way (within the game) to take out Tigers. Well, anti tank guns I guess, but I understand that they needed a heavy tank.
Maybe I was kidding myself thinking that before this update Hell Let Loose was 99% historically accurate, perhaps it really hasn't been all along!
If you want accuracy and realism, join the infantry, it's what I did. If you want to play a fun WW2 game that feels like Band of Brothers, keep playing Hell Let Loose.
I do believe most of the things in the update were the last things that black matter did and team 17 did very little for update 14 and there work will be from here on out, at least what I’ve gathered from other videos
@AJJones-xj6wh that seems a solid assumption, though I'd still argue they take some responsibility for it as it's been released on their watch.
It'll be interesting to see what the next batch of content looks like!
This is why we can't have nice things. As soon as a new dev team takes over a game that they didn't create themselves, they have all the reasons in the world to turn it into the lowest common denominator game and just rake in the money until everything implodes. Why would Team 17 have any idealistic inclinations to keep this game true to it's core or even keep it working in optimal condition? It's not their creation, it's just business, nothing personal.
@Pladderkasse I hope you're wrong, but only time will tell!
Being able to cross everywhere in Driel has been amazing, sure machineguns and just getting shot is an issue but one issue you can solve. Been having a blast in it, the long ranges of El Alamein introduced me to not being able to kill someone 400m out and watching them flank us with us being able to just take pot shots. The guns for the British on the other hand are horrible, too much aim sway, basically the Bren gun is unusable moving. The Sten shoots upper left and it's very visible. (We need more sten in loadouts) There's a weird breath bug where your guy to starts panting like an animal cuts out when you stop.
@ricardofigueroa5543 im excited to play more Driel! I wonder if they can make smoke more viable to enable water crossings, it could add some interesting dynamics there.
I've gotta say El Alamein is a bit dull. Had some fun interactions with tanks but think the map generally highlights the game's weaknesses. Small bits of debris stopping a tank round from hitting you for example.
They really need to fix the trench spacing, i get it trenches were crowded but theres no reason why im body blocked by 1 guy it just ruins the fun when im trying to get to a man thats down and i cant bc im being body blocked when i shoukdnt
@xavierii1012 I'm finding this a lot on El Alamein in particular. It's cool that there's rubble and all but when trying to move between ruined buildings you find there are gaps you should clearly be able to get between or over and you can't, you're just blocked and end up having to go around in a panic! It doesn't feel right.
Im only 800 + hours in lvl 165. So far im ok with the state of the game, bugs and all. Even kinda like the little slide they added. And i have noticed the grenade bug, and the loadout bug doesnt happen as offten. Im on pc, so im not to sure about console. But all in all, i like the new maps so far, and at least on the new bridge map there is more than one way to get across the river. I guess only time will tell. Probably going to be at least a year before burning lands comes out, and they have a majour competitor in the milsim genre.
@Denyb211 I'm hearing positive vibes for Driel but negative for El Alamein, is that your experience so far?
It’s not just the bugs that are annoying but the fact that most would’ve been at least detected if the devs would play test their patch at least for a few matches.
Remember when we couldn’t spawn on garrisons? How can you not stumble across such game breaking bugs? (Different devs but the point is the same)
I was really disappointed that there isn't any tropical uniforms for the El alamein map
@schnelletruppenreenacting1959 Yup, I want to wear some shorts!
Played both maps, really disappointed and wont be playing again any time soon. P14's, Lewis guns, Lancaster's and no bipod for the Bren!? No desert uniforms? Just lazy and a let down.
Edit: After seeing the twitter post about 'revealing the next iteration of the Hell Let Loose identity' the writing is on the wall.
@chrisjonas2312 No bipod for the Bren is a particular let down for me, I don't understand why they did that. I hope the desert uniforms come further down the line, even if it's a paid for DLC, I'd definitely go for that!
burning lands is going to need to step up its development time if team 17 continues to go down this casual path
@Waylonfair That's the first I've heard of Burning Lands before, thanks for putting it on my radar!
You are so right on your point with the game devs transitioning hll into a more arcade like game rather than keeping it’s team oriented origins. Game gets split and then people fall out. The writing is already on the wall
@AMM278 I really hope I'm wrong, there's still time for them to change!
I like Ramagen tbh... with Driel its not truly a bridge map when you can literally drive over the river. I think driel is being introduced to bring in the polish faction. I honestly think the next update needs to focus on a major bug update along with movement.
@brian_hibbs I've been told remagen really redeems itself as a night map, would you say it's better at night?
Dipped into U14 (on PS5) the other day, and it looks like a sorry move towards becoming a COD clone - the running speed was a needless change; it feels comical now, and too close to BF5. I think the dev picked up the "walking simulator" comments as an actual gripe - when all it was, is people making jokes about the fact some SLs don't place OPs or Garrys.
The iron sites are a bit naff, but so be it - if that's what the guns had, then we can deal with that. Not too fussed about the wrong weapons being used, but the biggest issue for me is that the direction HLL way end up taking - trying to be more casual and like the aformention twitch shooters.... HLL was a more mature game with a solid fan base; they might end up killing it off.
I believe they introduced the Cromwell for game balance. Hear me out; after all, this is a video game in the end. Unless the Devs had brought in Panzer III's and only them for NA, which British tank from North Africa is going to take down a P4 or Tiger? Literally none of them. You want to rely on slogging around 17 pounders to kill them? Hell, even the Firefly didn't come until 1944. So much of the gaming community, especially in relation to WW2 anything, gets so hung up on devs being historically accurate to a T. I believe in this case they wanted balance between the factions in tanks, so they brought the Cromwell and Firefly. If that bothers you, then imagine the rage that would occur when a Matilda would never penetrate a Tiger's armor, let alone a P4. Y'all would shit a brick and probably start threatening devs (I'd be lyin' if I said I hadn't seen gamers stoop that low several times).
@dudeguybro You make a strong point to be fair. I was going to say they found a way to take out Tigers but as you say, relying on 17 pounders simply wouldn't work!
I didn't realise the firefly was that late in the war, learn something new every day!
Acredito que os jogadores optam por HLL em vez de BF justamente por ser mais preciso e tentar trazer um ar de milsim. Defender a precisão histórica é certo principalmente por não se tratar de outro FPS genérico.
Ah I see you're not entirely aware of your history:
1. The Tiger Tank wasn't present at El-Alamein, it wouldn't be present until the Tunisian campaign. The first Tiger to be knocked out in that campaign was by a British 6 pounder.
2. There is evidence to suggest the Tiger 1 was designed because of German experiences specifically with the British Matilda, where virtually no German gun could pen them during the battle for France.
3. They really need to add much smarter ways of countering tanks, like the ability to move gun emplacements, or the capacity to track enemy tanks and promote mine use (which coincidentally is what knocked out most Tigers in Africa).
@@samfumasa1840 I know some Portuguese, vaguely. HLL, even with this hiccup of not being 100% historically accurate, is still nowhere near a game like Battlefield or CoD. I know people are afraid of this. But no one would enjoy hopping in British tanks to never be able to destroy the opponent's tanks. That's simply not fun.
I have arguments with people in Company of Heroes about this. The more real these games get, the more niche they become. More niche = less players = less money = a halt in updates and content.
Literally no one would want to be in the British forces in HLL if they were forced to be at a disadvantage to the Germans based on historical accuracy. That would be insanely frustrating.
@@twiglets2 Tigers also weren't at El-Alamein, they wouldn't appear for another 2 months and there were only ever about 30 of them. You could lose a 5th of that number in a single 1 hr match.
What I dont understand is why would the developers hype up the Soviets with their own trailer, give them average maps st best then all the audden jump to the British who had no dedicated trailer and were only told word of mouth that they were coming to HLL seems like a bit of a mess to me... And lastly why would they release another Soviet DLC when the main focus was on the British? Lmao smfh 😅
@kennethbowers2897 Haha that's a very interesting point! I guess it feels disjointed, perhaps they would say because the developers have changed, but they can't use that excuse forever.
I was really disappointed with the damn near nonexistent customization of Brit uniforms, helmets, etc. The underwhelming kits they have, choice of tanks (No Churchill?), and the Brens nonfunctional "cosmetic" bipod. But I also recognize that a lot of this update was just Team 17 finishing what Black Matter had been working on, so ATM I can't really blame them for what came out when they cranked the handle a few times at the end of the production line.
The next update will all be on them though, so we'll be able to see and judge what they really/truly can or can't do on their own.
Don’t like the new update, not overly keen on the new maps, British forces have no other uniforms and the sight sway when moving is a massive disadvantage compared to other factions rifles
Fixes: Decrease the run speed about 5-8%, make the SMLE Mk4 default rifle, give it the correct bolt cycling animation AND SPEED, get rid of the Lanchester & Lewis, make the Bren bipodable, add the early Thompson with either 20 round (officers) or 50 round magazines (assault), give German & Brits desert uniforms for the desert! ... see..fixed
@QuinchGaming well, I certainly can't find any issues with that, especially the bren bi pod, that'd be cool!
@@twiglets2 Why they wasted Dev time on building new weapons when they could have just concentrated on the SMLE mk 3 & 4 and the correct animations as well as adding the Bren as the true LMG like the MG42 for the Brits is beyond me it really is
@@QuinchGaming perhaps we should give them the benefit of the doubt as much of this will have been content from the previous developer, but at some point they're going to have to take ownership!
@@twiglets2 oddly enough though, as far as I'm aware THIS patch is mostly the work of the previous Dev team & not T17. Which makes it worse, did the previous Devs just know there was no point producing something good as they were leaving perhaps? T17 need to work HARD to sort this out. I've not played since the update! I just couldn't stand it
I am another Grumpy Git. I love this game, best game I've ever played. I am playing on XBox Series X since September. It is unplayable at the moment. New player base is not even trying to communicate. I Squad Lead out of frustration as no one is building garrisons in some matches. Commanders leaving games out of frustration. Bugs are still there and I hate the new increased speed of running. I am going to give the game a rest for a week or two and let things calm down a bit. Please just fix the issues before anymore updates.
@damienminnock6509 Always a good idea to give it a break if the frustration levels are high, especially when you normally enjoy the game as much as you do. I'm sure they will be hitting the bugs hard over the coming weeks, though getting players to communicate is easier said than done!
The Bren gun sounds horrific, it's like the shot sound cuts off halfway through, there's no echo
@jackbaker747 I need to give it a try, would be good if they had a practice mode with a firing range so you can give everything a try
You pretty much nailed it down. I would also add their lack of prompt response to issues. No desert uniforms. Their rogue decision to rip run speed up 15% and not take into account the unintended consequences that followed. Not even an attempt to address meta issues that have been top concerns for players for a long time. Hit registration problems and stability issues are still an issue. They just come off as out of touch and they have developed their own delusional vision of the game. Remember the whole video about "We are going to start back in 1939 and go through the years releasing content in order". Well apparently they got really bad references or they just lied and just threw that out the window. I quit back in April after they didn't even bother acknowledging they screwed the game up for over 2 weeks. I have several friends (A few are regular streamers) and they don't even have interest to play it.
@volrz3346 it sucks to hear you've been put off the game! Is there anything they can do to bring you back into the fold??
I think the update is coming out rough but are hopefully going to fix it up after
@georanger6180 Have you experienced many bugs? Having played El Alamein I did find it clunky how you can't traverse the crumbled buildings very well. You'd see a wall and expect to vault over it but you're just stuck. Or a gap between two pieces of debris that you can't fit through when you should be able to. Not a big issue but it was annoying, like they didn't design the buildings very well.
@@twiglets2 yes and from what others tell me the map is very clunky but as i said hopefully it will be fixed in time
I thought that I got the idea that the new devs would like to turn the game around to be a little more historically accurate, like certain gun on certain maps, or skins and so on. Having little things like that be correct. But you seem to think the opposite. Idk I think this word of a new dev team and everything like that has the community as a whole up in arms about things and generally, worried.
@xXHearTBuRN14 Honestly I'm not sure. Some seem to think they intend to be MORE historically accurate, but this specific update seems to suggest otherwise. I guess we have to give them more time and we shall see. There comes a point where they can no longer use the excuse of taking over the game from another developer, though I'm not quite sure when that point is!
The game will be dead on consoles until we get the basic privilege of a server browser
I played Foy yesterday and I was just sprinting across fields with ease and no fear because I’m running faster than Usain Bolt. The new sprint speed completely taken away the strategy for me and for experienced people like me, it’s an unfair advantage. They should go back to the same speed. It’s a completely unnecessary change.
@Technicallyimright It's been very interesting to see the level of discussion on the sprint speed. I do wonder what they'll do if anything as several players prefer it but maybe don't!
@@twiglets2 I think they should have a small few second burst at the speed they currently have, then you go down to the previous speed until you catch your breath. Or have some sort of weapon sway when out of breath to stop COD like running and gunning.
@@Technicallyimright yeah that sounds like a good compromise to be fair
The new maps are a bit laggy and the second machine gun as machine gunner has a bipod but doesn’t let you use it as the British forces same with the one as the Americans and there’s barely any weapons or cosmetics for the British. As far as I’m concerned we need bug updates and less lag before we get any new factions or maps. And we absolutely need a server browser on console, there is absolutely no excuse to not have a server browser. I’d like to choose maps and sides and how early or late I start and regions as well as ping and server population.
@gabecollins5585 I'm particularly interested to hear your experience on lag. Previously it seemed the Soviet maps were particularly laggy compared to all others, and so it was easy to say they had a problem. Would you say the lag you're experiencing on the Brit maps are similar to that of the Soviet maps? It would be an interesting correlation.
@@twiglets2 When I said lag I meant that on my screen people would like rubber band back like a foot back or something like that and when going into prone position it would push you back a tiny bit. Maybe it was just some ping or something idk I don’t usually have lag or anything but it happens sometimes. I play on the Xbox series X which is usually not bad with lag with my internet but it does happen. The Soviet maps for me do not usually have much lag other than when in vehicles. What do you think about the server browser for console and the fact that the second machine gun for the British doesn’t have a usable bipod?
@@gabecollins5585 the lack of bi pod for the bren is a big shame, but I hope it's something they can fix easily in a future update! It seems strange they didn't include a bipod though.
I hope the console players get a browser soon, it seems to be top of the wishlist!
@@twiglets2 Yeah. They even modeled the bipod so I thought we could use it but was disappointed to see it doesn’t work. The recoil for the Bren is really bad too and is hard to hit anything with at longer ranges.
@@gabecollins5585 hopefully these things are easily adjusted to make the bren a more satisfying weapon to operate. What would be cool is giving someone else the ability to reload the bren for you like the magazine on top was designed for. Team work!
I know one thing i got onto play yesterday i have not played in a few months I have 200 hrs in game and I got cussed at for trying to communicate with my squad, So that tells me the player base is changing and not for the better
@bulletsalad6914 that sucks! Was it on pc or console?
@@twiglets2 on pc
1 uniform and completely wrong default weapon is ridiculous.
@Iansanounc-Ip4nx We need Brits wearing shorts!
Driel is fine. El Alamein is oof. But I only played a few matches on the new map. They mixed the dates of the battles in the loading screen.
However. WTF are these loadouts? Lee Enfields P14 and Lanchester everywhere. And what is a 'Jungle Carbine'. These weapons are so out of place.
At least we get a Boys AT-Rifle. Russia mostly relies on the Mosin too. There are 3 (three) Lee Enfield MK4 inf loadouts in the game. The standard rifle is the P14. Just... Why? Same with Sten. Officer doesn't even get one.
Bren is just a reskined BAR, with no bipods.
The tanks are somewhat fine. Yeah they are out of place too, but so are Panthers and Luchs. The handling is just strange.
@Napswhilewatchin Is oof a good thing or a bad thing?! I've heard Driel is half decent but El Alamein a bit too open, but I'm trying to not judge too quickly. Do they seriously not have a bi pod on the Bren? That's disappointing! Then again it's not like the bipod works very well, but still!
Give me the proper lee enfield, to heck with the p14
Nice video but one thing is incorrect. You can cross the river ANYWHERE! You can wade threw the water
@soeckchenklein Thank you for the correction! Do you think it's going to work well? I truly hope so!
@@twiglets2 The balancing of the guns is well done even if they arent the most iconic british guns. Like for the bren the ppl complain that its bad because you dont see anything on the right side of the screen. I see why its bad for CQB but its a gun that hits relayably over distances up to 300m. I think a bit of more customisation and bug fixes and the update will work
@@soeckchenklein I've not tried it myself yet as I found it impossible to play as the Brits so I was forced onto the other team, but am I right in thinking the Bren doesn't come with a bi pod? I find that a minor annoyance, but still an annoyance!
@@twiglets2 Correct it has a bipod modell but its not usable. Yet the recoil is not that bad ( think about the same like the Bar ) and with the 2 shots to kill ratio you can put a lot of preashure on enemy far away. El Alamein you can terrorise them 200 meters away and every second send a buller in their direction. The rifle Nr.4 ( at least I think it was that ) that just feels wierd. The bullet seems to be around 25% slower than a Kark's one but that is just my personal opinion. And the PIAT ( wich is a grenade dont forgett ) has a smoketrail ( I guess that is for balance so you can tell from where it came ). I did not try every weapon yet but the balance is there. As for the tanks f me the Firefly is a beast. Cant say that about the other tanks all one shot from a Panzer IV
@@twiglets2 Oh and another thing. The sights are awfull
I would say so ive been playing for 8 hours and only played on the new desert map once and it was super buggy and i cant get into a match with the new stuff
@badbatch9048 This seems to be an update of two halves. Driel is going down rather well but El Alamein is not, which is completely opposite to what I was expecting!
Some of us like bridge maps and you can just play in a server that dont have them or switch why not have the option to have it and not use it rather than not have it cuz you dont like it
Frankly I think the update is really good, the problem is that historical accuracy and game balance don’t go well together, one faction would always have way better stuff, like for example the garand which is so much better than all the other rifles
The biggest problem with this update is that frankly the British suck, their Guns are not good
@valigus8785 What an interesting fact!
You're right of course, historic accuracy vs balance, and balance must always win that fight. Although I'd be interested to try a game that was 100% historically accurate. Even though one side would have better stuff, if that's how that battle was fought I'd find it interesting to fight it that way!
I'm glad you're enjoying it though, as much as the video is quite critical I do want it to succeed. It's great for the game!
Just a quiick reminder. If you don't like Hell Let Loose anymore, there is a another game called Post Scriptum. Please consider trying it. =))) DO NOT LET POST SCRIPTUM DIE!!! It would be cool for a future video to compare the nations of both games, in terms of historical accuracy, how they play, how they look. Great video man!!
@catabosu1999ify thank you! Post Scriptum is such a good game! A shame that the player numbers are as low as they are, last I heard the Devs had all been sacked but here's hoping someone else continues with the game
So the new Dev are looking into it. You can read about it in the Dev briefing. They said they have implemented analysing tool in the game. Because they know the bugs, but don't know what trickers it.
With all do respect, it seems like you don't know how complex it can be, so find the reason why it happened. It can literally be everything, from what keys you press right before, to a player that stands to close to you with one piticular weapon.
And this update are the beginning of the end for those bugs. But it will still take some time, because now the have to analyse the data they are getting.
Time will tell, but they have not ignore it, and they have probably implanted the analysis codes, to the two bugs.
Take it easy. 😊
@SneakersDK I do hope they find them and remove them from the game as it would make many many players very happy. My concern is that they spend more time on new content than addressing old bugs but only time will tell. Thanks for taking the time to comment my friend it means a lot!
I’ve literally never had that grenade bug and have like 500 hours in the game is that actually a thing?
@Bulbastrng It's a thing for sure, but personally I've only had it a few times, it's not like every game or anything. Some say they experience it often, some say they get it less often now, it's really confusing!
I’ve had it well over hundred times! It very annoying
Team 17 didn't produce the latest maps, Black Matter did. I would think it's worth waiting until the bext updates/new content before judging Team 17 more?
@craigwalker5032 Agreed, though I wouldn't let them off the hook 100% as ultimately the new developers released these assets, even if they were 99% produced by somebody else. That of course works both ways if the content is well received or bad.
You're right though, it'll be interesting to see how the future updates shape up. They can't use the previous developers as an excuse forever.
@@twiglets2 Yeah I know what you mean, definitely feels like they've rushed to get it out but hoping to see bigger and better updates in the future with a larger team.
The big negativity I have is being a console player and El (desert map) being completely unplayable due to frame rate issues.
My m8 and I only playing sniper team for 2 + years now. A P14 sniper.... No4 Mk1 (T) anyone? Sten sights and recoil are awful.... Bottomline, we quit after 10 mins.
@swingtheding3004 A different subject but many players say the recon squads are boring as you're expected to camp the enemy artillery all the time. Is that your experience?
@@twiglets2 Not @ all. Never played any other class than spotter or squad leader.
We usually search for enemy garrisons and assets behind the lines.
Taking out enemy resupplys, disturbing the enemys line of advance to buy the team valuable time to take a point.
Also holding a flank killing the enemy to draw them in, in the process drawing them away from key points.
Having a spawn way behind the lines is also a key advantage.
Bottom line we've had a lot of fun... till now. And as a collector of military surplus rifles and knowing what the guns actually feel like when fireing them for real it makes no sence for me why for example there is no No4 Mk1 T sniper.... One of the finest snipers of WW2. Cheers m8
6:51 the game that destroyed my posture. couldn't agree more
I didn't want Brits, but I welcome them, but I didn't want them rushed, this is what you get for hose who wanted this rushed, only thing I wanted rushed was just a simple fix to the bolt action, that's it.
@bruhism173 We shall see what happens, the reception so far has been more positive than I had expected. A real mixed reception for the increased running speed.
@@twiglets2 I hated it before I even tried it, it's actually really good, it's helped me get 3 melee kills in a pinch, I've been able to hit my shots,only downside is strafing is faster so when I'm close to an enemy it's harder to hit cause they going left right back forward quicker now
@@bruhism173 I hadn't even thought about melee kills, I basically don't even try in HLL but maybe now it's worth it! You raise a good point though with movement, hopefully we don't see players move all over the place to "dodge bullets"!
@@twiglets2 I'm surprised, I'm able get melee kills alot, this is unbelievable, but my friend sent me a video to watch during a hill 400 so I laid down watch it, I came back and there was a recon squad to my right and I stabbed both of them.
@@bruhism173 recom squad as well, nice!
im pretty happy with the update, obviosly the bugs are a buzz kill. i heard that they are going to support the game for 5 years, plenty of time to make or break.
@jeremysheather4149 five years you say? That'd be good! Then I imagine theyd want to move to new engine which would be fair enough
@@maximvh1 It's so difficult to pick everything apart and figure out what is happening. Most players are saying that this update is a good thing, but most also say there are problems.
I appreciate some are unhappy due to historic inaccuracies, but from what I see most have a problem with the performance issues, and releasing a chunk of new content will always bring new performance issues.
I hope they spend some time improving performance before releasing the next batch of new content.
I love the term "historic bugs" xD
@rhaenjarr6321 Haha me too! It makes me think of Egyptian Scarabs!
Im on console xs... still crash on first launch, sprinting now adds a breath feature that clips for me when not sprinting. Cant say i care to much for new maps. Brit weapons a big ehhh for me.
@TwonZilla sounds like the update isn't for you, will you continue playing or pass for a while?
@@twiglets2 I shall play on for now. However I would pass if this was paid dlc as I actually do skip both maps if they come in rotation(brits). I think it was a big fumble for the debut of a new team. I think consoles need server browser or game mode selection. This would improve the game a lot imo for console.
@@Mr.Godzilla. 100% they must include a server browser soon. I'm sure new content would be welcome, but I would guess a server browser would be preferred.
@@twiglets2 100% server browser and honestly Id like some general fixes before adding more and more.
@@Mr.Godzilla. I don't think you're alone on that one!
I just hate that videogames companies love to add extremely rare, shittier variants of weapons instead of the standard version. The 1914 Enfields irons suck. It's lack of a 10rd detachable magazine sucks. A standard smle would have been better period. All of the British weapons are LEAGUES worse than their German counterparts. The mg sucks and was glitched the first day. It's not glitched anymore, but it's hands down the worst MG. Same goes for the Bren.
To be honest, they can release anything they want, but I wont buy a game which is buggy as hell, so... not sure exactly how bad it is, but the fact its mentioned often puts me off.
@garethhughes5745 it's true it's rather bugged but still playable. I believe the main issue is that the bugs are worse than before rather than better. Hopefully they sort them soon!
@@twiglets2 what you said about the grenades though. Hilarious but also so dissapointing at the same time. Shame as it does look a great game!
How come the developer changed?
A weird update, new maps always good but the mgs are really powerful on both these maps. I hate hate hate that you cant let go while lookijg at the map. Also dokt like the higher running speed
I like it, the maps are abit to open for me but other than that it's a refreshing change to the usual maps.
British guns need more live but that's about it for me
@evelbsstudio Glad you're enjoying it, onwards and upwards!
@evelbsstudio Glad you're enjoying it, onwards and upwards!
Hey! Me agian, I just got the update ready on my Xbox for downloading so when I (hopefully**) get in a match, I’ll let you know how it goes!
On another note, I remember someone saying that the new developers are going to fix the historical accuracy at a future point and just wanted content out at this point. I can’t remember who said this or when so I could be wrong. You’re absolutely right in what you say, don’t get me wrong I was nodding my head throughout this video, but I think we should see what the new developers do after this update. My guess is this is just a “Here guys, you deserve this content and we appreciate your feedback so in the meantime we are gonna fix and make things better.” Maybe I’m just too optimistic but I really don’t want this game to just turn into another CoD within 2 years time.
** > I say hopefully cause there isn’t a server browser still and it may take me a very, VERY long time to actually get into a match of the new maps.
@PennySaver Hello again! That's very interesting and I'd be 100% onboard if they were simply churning out some new content and returning to the historic accuracy later, you've given me some hope!
When I played earlier almost all of the servers were playing the new maps so I hope that even without the server browser you'll find it easy to play them!
Unfortunately playing earlier made me realise my pc isn't up to it any more so will need to invest in a new one! I don't mind playing on lower resolution and graphics settings but I find being able to spot small dots and movement in the distance is so important in this game and right now everyone beyond 50m is one big pixel 🤣 maybe I should try Xbox!?
@@twiglets2 I think right now we all need a little hope 😂
I hope so! I’ve been waiting to play as the British ever since the original announcement way last year.
Yeah, that’s how I used to play on my old PC. After upgrading, it’s smooth sailing with max graphics. It may be an odd choice but I’ve always bought and somewhat preferred gaming laptops than physical PC Towers although I’m not agianst the idea. I prefer a laptop cause my internet isn’t the best (or works when it wants too) so I have to take it elsewhere to update games or upload a video. For my Xbox, on the other hand, I just start the update before going to the store or work so when I get home it’s magically done! I could do the same with my laptop but I feel like it takes longer. And If you do decide to get a Series X or S, let me know! So we can struggle as a squad 😂
@@Penndrick You sound like a man with a plan, it's a shame we're on different platforms! The plan is to get an Xbox at some point so I'm sure we'll squad up at some point!
Shotgun MG, I literally can't play any other class 🤣
@@twiglets2 It’s funny you say that, I do have it on PC! Just have to update it, y’know.
I tend to play the automatic rifleman or Medic but when it’s me and my brother I do Squad Leader which is leveled up the most out of all my other classes due to that 😂
@@Penndrick Well if you ever get round to updating it let me know and we can add each other on Steam for some games!
I like historical accuracy but i dont mind the landchester and cromwell
@littlecc11 I guess it all comes down to balance, being fun to play has to be the main objective!
It’s very disappointing! But that’s just my opinion, Brens sights are terrible and to be honest I don’t really get on with any of the guns, it’s Laggy! Not a fan of the coverless desert map or the tedious bridge map. Honestly once I get in to a British game I leave.
No server browser ive played for hours cant get a new map 😢
@nolanriley9865 that sucks man, console players need that server browser badly!
Driel is alos not Driel. Its oosterbeek railway bridge
@yollmanontherun9074 Aha! Well observed. I don't know the location but they seem close together if Google maps is to be believed. Is that right?
@@twiglets2 yeah relatively close id say. But not close enough to for the bridge eria to be labeled as "Driel" i would say
@@yollmanontherun9074 It sounds like the Driel map is being well received right now, but I do find it odd that out of all places they chose there....!
@@twiglets2 the Driel map is really pretty is and did like the feel of it when i played but yeah the location is weird.
Especially when you look up what happend there, the germans blow up the bridge early in the operation market garden and no real battle happend there, especially with both sides having armored support haha.
Its a shame that they didnt read enything about what happend there cus the map is great but they have just dumbed a random location on us and said "hey you know all those other maps in the games that are based on real battles, here is another one", overlooking the lack of combat taking place there and then gave the location the wrong name.
But all and all i really like the map
Hopefully they will put the lee enfield n4 as a sniper. I was hoping it would be but unfortunately isn’t
Its worst guns and iron sights i ever used.
The time i bought HLL for my XBOX SX i was totally flashed by the game and i play a lot, but without any serverbrowser, FPS-Issues, Soundbugs i quit the game after 4-6 weeks, same on Insurgency Sandstorm. But both games still the best ones for console.
@teddiecrash8216 Did you find the FPS issues related to specific maps at all?
The movement speed changed the game play way too much, it needs to go back to how it was or half the amount they added.
@theriffroom just so I understand, is that because it's too easy to move around / try to dodge bullets with the new movement speed
@Twiglets2 to me it just feels like it's unnatural and unrealistic. Playing carentan the other day people jumping around to dodge bullets ect.
@@theriffroom interesting, thanks for confirming!
I'm not an expert on HLL, I only got into it recently, but weren't these assets made by the old developers and not the new one? I don't want to say they have less responsibility, because they released this under their watch, but I would assume that most of this was already done when they took over. But either way, a lot depends on how they'll react on the community's feedback.
At first I had the same reaction to the nonverbal comm stuff as you did, that it would just disincentivize people from speaking, but now I'm leaning more toward that it's gives more tools for people to communicate, especially folks without mics. People could use text chat too in game to communicate and that didn't ruin it either. Talking is just more effective.
But I understand the caution. It's on the new devs to convince the playerbase that there's future for HLL.
That new bridge map however was sounded dumb even when they announced it on their blog.
@aspicboat I like your positivity, and that's an interesting point about the assets being made by the old developer, that must be true.
There has been a lot of anger / frustration in the build up to the new update but ultimately we have to play it and see how we feel. Most of the responses I've seen so far have been positive, I hope that continues!
@@twiglets2 I can totally understand the frustration. I've been in the same situation with other games.
Btw, I've read that they made the running speed faster by 15%, is that actually true? Because that's a bit concerning.
@@aspicboat That's news to me, though it does ring a vague bell, either people complaining it was too slow or that it had been slowed down in the past?
I know they've worked on the "locomotion" so perhaps that was part of it? It makes me think, standing and running? Crouch running? Both? Hmmm...!
this update is still made by blackmatter and not team 17 so we cant judge the new devs entirely for everything
wtf they forgot to mention that they added meth for every faction wtf is this movent speed
@lysergichigh6172 Haha! Historically accurate for the Blitzkrieg tactic I suppose!
I've heard it's a 15% increase in movement speed and being able to dive down etc, I haven't actually experimented with that yet I totally forgot!
There are some concerns that with the increased speed, being able to dive and get up quick as well as turn on a dime that it may encourage people to move around like psychotic gymnasts to avoid bullets....we shall see!
In this update theres so many historically inaccurate things (like the p14 as the standard issue rifle piat and stg 44 in el alamein no desert uniforms etc) its literally shifting me away from
the game
@bencetakacs7600 It's been brought to my attention how many historic inaccuracies were already in the game but of course, that just makes it worse!
Some say this is content created by the previous developer and that going forward the new Devs will go for historic accuracy, we shall see!
How about the fact that the mg42/34 have 200rnds but the model is a 50 rnd drum and not a belt! kills me
@@aschen__ true but thats not this noticeable
@@aschen__ also you missed the fact that thats not a drum magazine its just a cylindrical holder for your belt mg34/42 can only be belt feed my son also the mg42 has 250 rounds not 200 and the mg34 has about 150 but thats okay from a semi casual like you
@@aschen__ 🤓🤓🤓
I know that the game's weapons and vehicles are historically inaccurate for a lot of the maps, but people cant forget that its just a video game. Why would the devs restrict certain weapons and vehicles for different maps? It might help make the game more historically accurate but would deny us access to the full content the game has to offer. Furthermore, why would the devs create specific weapons and vehicles for specific maps? Doing this would require the devs to create more assets that would cost them time and money which would mean less timely updates for the player base. Some might like this but i would not. Its just a video game, if you want perfect historical accuracy just watch a documentary.
i'm having alot of fun with their bolt action rifles
Well to be honest, hell let loose is not a game for all people, it would remain as a tactical shooter not matter if they add inconsisting things.
For example enlisted is a pure arcade experience, you rush, don't comunicante and is a condence map
I’d play but then I remember why I don’t like the game
Squad leaders who are bitching and moaning about not following orders.
I’d rather just float around different squads to give ammo or do other class specific actions when they need it, not stick with one though the entire game
@godzilla8642 In my view this game is best enjoyed with a group of friends in a squad rather than with strangers as they are too unreliable. Would you agree with that?
Non-verbal communication tools make the game less arcadey, not more. Players not communicating at all and lone-wolfing because they don't have mics or don't feel like using them - sounds like BF/COD to me. Giving those players more options for pointing out enemies, announcing their intentions, and working together as a group - that makes teamwork more approachable and increases the total amount of teamwork happening in a match.
Plus, how many times have you wanted to just put a "there's something here" marker on the map for your squad because your squad leader wasn't doing it? this allows you to partially circumvent squad leaders who aren't doing their job, again, adding to teamplay.
@personalaccount8914 This one seems to be a double edged sword which will vary from player to player. There will undoubtedly be some players who use it as a way of getting out of using their mic when they should just take a leap of faith and start talking. But as you say, non verbal communication is better than none and may well facilitate verbal communication. As in you start with something non verbal, get a positive response from that which may spur you on to speak on the mic. Many refrain from using the mic not because they don't want to, but because they're just a bit scared or lack confidence, these tools may be a stepping stone for many to get over that.
Just the lack of "stuff" that made me bored straight away would've loved more uniforms and a map that isn't a bridge
@suspiciouschicken I'm hopeful some new uniforms are on the way, something a bit more desert appropriate would be good!
@Twiglets2 paratrooper uniforms or maybe the long brown coats maybe even some Scottish Highlander uniforms
@@suspiciouschicken now you're talking!
The load out bug is even worse now lol
@ohdevy Oh God no is it really? I was hoping it was going to happen less!
worst update since I started playing 1 year ago.
@whiskeythrottle333 Is there anything in particular that you feel is a let down? Apparently the Driel map is actually rather good, though I've not had a chance to play it myself.
Driel is ok but lost a lot of fps. Unplayable in my eyes. Lowered the graphics but no difference. El alamein is bad mapdesign and worst fps drop ive encountered. I'm lvl 172. British weapons are too loud and bulky. Its like we are the beta testers? Running noise is weird, how can you not notice while making that change. More errors than bug fixing. I thought new updates to the game was a positive thing. But i think a lot of hardcore fans had enough. For the first time in a year, I dont feel like I want to join another server to play. Have only played the new maps since the update. Russian faction is OK, british should been scrapped. I dont see how Team 17 can recover from these last updates that caused more problems than fixes.
Broooo where tf is the panzer III i could care less if the panther cromwell and stg 44 somehow travel back to 1942 but please add the panzer III also fix the lee enfield it’s supposed to have a shorter bolt so it makes chambering the next round quicker
@gayhamsr the Panzer III would be so cool, I hope that comes along soon, though I don't remember hearing any plans for it!
It needs more uniforms dor both british and germans, we alos need dunkirt and coats lots of coats, make de lee enfield faster, bren gun needs a bipot.
British forces should be in this game. Big part of ww2 and have some good weapons aswell.
You're not being grumpy. The new developers are definitely letting us down. I am sure they'll move it to a more arcade experience because that's where more money is and a growing audience. Ultimately, that's what game development is about under capitalism. And free look is the #1 feature I want added to HLL (and every FPS that doesn't have it).
give me my denison smock, airborne lid and maroon beret!!
@vvvvvv8876 Would you purchase a DLC if it included desert uniforms....??? I'd consider it!
@@twiglets2 with the amount of time i’ve been waiting, yes. But the airborne kit is what i really want id definitely pay for that
@@VAZZ8876 I think they're missing a trick there then. Have you seen the British uniforms that have released with the update, any opinion on those? A couple look a little weird to me...
Get ready for Enlisted 2.0
still no support for my monitor. 5120x1440
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@coreyfaehrmann1580 that monitor looks insane, do many games support that wide??
@@twiglets2 so far yes actually, Hell Let Loose is really the only one I have issues with. had to throw the resolution to 2160x1440, but then you start getting black borders.
@@coreyfaehrmann1580 that sucks as HLL is all about the immersion, with a monitor like that it'd be next level immersion. Hopefully soon!
I came into it wanting to love it, but I can't stand El Alamein.
@a330flyguy2 I'm interested to hear why you don't like El Alamein, I'm hearing this a lot so it'd be useful to hear your reasons so I can compile something!
HLL guns are too accurate and high damage to have a map like this. It's a hardcore shooter not a milsim. This map was made for snipers and tanks and it feels really campy. You can't move or you die so you just find a high spot and shoot at the people dumb enough to run around. SMGs are completely useless.
What I like about this game is the constant flanks and pushes and the mixture of close quarters and long range engagements. This map is pure long range and I think it'll drop out of most server rotations once the hype dies down.
Just give them better guns and id play but the mg and assault have guns that take up your whole fucking screen