Is The Asustor 4 Drive Enclosure Perfect for Home Server Storage?
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Wendell, I initially bought a TERRAMASTER D5-300C and built them as a storage pool w/ redundancy in Windows for a machine hosting Plex. Shortly after I discovered your channel and your Siren's Song for ZFS had me looking to improve things. I've now got that machine running 15 x 2TB Micron 1100 SATA SSDs on TrueNAS Scale, and I've used the TERRAMASTER D5-300C as a backup solution to spinning rust. I keep two sets of spinning rust backups, and store the spare set at my brother's house. Anyway, thanks for all you do to share all this tech. I find myself constantly wondering about ways to improve my setup.
What an amazing profile picture. A true computer wizard!
Thanks for making that peel full volume ;) Merry Christmas!
Your point about not using the surveillance software on the SSDs makes sense. I just purchased an Asustor AS5402t 2-bay NAS but should have spent the extra $160 to get the 4-bay. unit. Regardless, I love my Asustor NAS and will probably end up getting this expansion unit down the road when I implement my Surveillance system.
I have the less expensive model of the Probox (the one with eSATA), and it works beautifully on Unraid... once I disabled the automatic power off of the enclosure.
I'm glad they make a good external storage solution. I do wish they made a 2.5" version though for us sata ssd people.
Would love to see some more of these reviewed. I want to put one on my proxmox mini pc for a nas.
If this is what I think it is, it's going to enable so much more home labbers out there.
How about the QNAP TR-004? Only slower USB but cheap and looks like it allows JBOD option to present disks with individual serials (virtualized though i believe)
Currently use one as a DAS but interested to know if i can use it down the track for extra storage on truenas/unraid
I very nearly went with a server setup with a couple Lenovo M90q 1L nodes and a Teramaster D6-320, very nice looking 6 bay usb 3.2 gen2 enclosure. Definitely be interested to see how that thing performs!
have one of those on a Beelink SER6Max, love it, close to maxes out the 10gbps USB link.
So I basically did that on the Lenovo m715q gen 2 1L and a Terramaster D4-300 4 Bay. Works pretty well, I can hear the hard drives, but Its not something that bothers me while its in my bedroom. Im running Truenas Scale and its been easy enough
Would love to see a (much) more compact version of this for 8x SSDs, though I'm sure 10 Gb/s will choke that.
I've read that these USB enclosures aren't ideal for something like ZFS since all of the drives show up as the same serial number. Any truth to that?
hey Wendell, after seeing your video I got two Proboxes exactly like the ones you mentioned. I created a zfs raidz pool with 4 drives and as soon as I start writing a 30GB file to it, it starts giving writing errors, any suggestions on what I can try? I tested with two different boxes, they behave the same. Disks are brand new WD 16 TB, I checked them individually outside of the box and no writing/reading errors.
do they have one with a lot more bays than that?
I want the 10GB but I can't provide the spondoolies to get it. 😩
What about the Qnap one with the sff connector is that one any good?
the ap-peeling pun took me a second but then i groaned
Is the qnap tr002 and 004 work way from pc
how about SABRENT DS-UCTB, 10 bays!
Simpsons, every time with the Juice Loosener, "ITS WHISPER QUIET"
I've been looking at the gen 2 6704T.
Have you looked at the Terramaster D6-320 yet? It's a 6-bay USB 3.2 gen 2 unit. Also, nice review of the Asus unit!
i posted about the D6-320 on the forums. tl;dr, it's good, separate usb to sata controller on a hub that doesn't slow anything down.
They have a TB version now. Costs arm and leg but, well, it's TB.
How would the DIY mini PC connect to a disk shelf without there being some kind of bottleneck?
Maybe i missed that part...
Is it just 10gbe ethernet joining the two?
Or some pcie to pcie port black magic?
Its 6am omg
This 4 drive enclosure connects to the mini PC and does not have a bottle beck.
a pair of twin-actuator drives shows as 4 drives, so can be RAID 5, nice speeds, about 270 MB/sec per half, totaling 1 GB+ sec....BUT... if we lose one physical drive (controller, SATA path failure, etc),, we lose ....everything? This would seem to beg for a minimum for 3 drives, and RAID 6, to truly allow for the loss of a single drive....correct? (What's the cost on those twin-actuator 18 TB monsters!!!!???
Can't yet find them on Amazon at all.... :(
At this point I really don't want a full enclosure with backplane like those presented. They almost always reset all drives when one is reset. My preference is individual USB2SATA adapters connected to a powered hub for 2.5" drives. What I really want now is a generic enclosure with SATA passthrough ports so I can put drives on trays but the backend is just individual USB2SATA adapters and room for that powered USB hub or for 3.5" drives pipe just power to the backplane. I'm considering getting a 3D printer just to build this box. There are some decent, thin USB2SATA adapters on Aliexpress I got that allow for very nice vertical density of 2.5" drives that would be used for a 3d printed enclosure.
It sounds like SAS might be a better choice for your needs.
Sweeping and inaccurate assumption regarding reset etc.
@@zstation64 It's not an assumption. I've had several USB multi drive enclosures and 100% of them have reset all drives when any one of them are reset by the OS or is physically hot swapped.
Are the Sabrent or Orico variants worth a look?
From the Amazon reviews they are probably crap. Lots of drive failure and overheating complaints.
"And appealing" Continues peeling off plastic.. I see what you did there..
I was a fan of that pun
I'm getting GN vibes: "We don't do that here"
He peeled
...and FANtastic
Flash wares out faster that HDD?!?!
I have always heard the opposite. Can someone elaborate on this for me?
specifically a survelliance issue (constant reads and writes to the same area of the disk)
With reads the SSD should outlive the HDD by a lot. However, the SSD has a limited number of writes before failure where the HDD doesn't have that limitation.
If i would have know about this....
I'm not seeing why I'd pay $320 for a 4 disk enclosure that needs to attach with an existing server (potentially over taxing already limited computation and bandwidth resources of the server) when I can just pay $80 more and get the Asustor AS5304T 4 drive NAS that functions independently. The only downside I see is that the transfer rate through the 10Gb USB of the enclosure exceeds the transfer rate of the two 2.5 Gb ethernet ports on the NAS (though this hardly matters to me since I haven't even upgraded my network or any of my PCs to 10 Gb yet). Am I missing something?
A server should outlast most end nodes; AS6704T can take a 10Gb NIC once you upgrade your network switches to either SPF+ or true multi-gig. (2.5Gb is an artificially hobbled consumer scam version of multi-gig. The full standard has devices negotiate speed based on cable quality, for backward compatibility with older 1G devices [and some 100Mb if they have no-collision topologies] but should handle 2.5/5/10 depending on actual cable quality and length.)
@mytech6779 The AS6704T is certainly better than the AS5304T. Whether it is worth the $200 extra is highly dependent on your specific use case (personally if I was looking for a NAS that includes SSD capability I'd probably skip right over to the FS6706T or FS6712T and go full SSD).
I'm not sure how this sheds much light on the question posed, though.
Adding storage doesn't mean you over tax your cpu or bandwidth. It's more storage, plain and simple. No different than if the nas came with 8 bays initially instead of 4. Creating a network share from another server and hoping your apps can use it from a different location may not work.
@fwiler @fwiler I'd agree that the extra load of running a second software RAID array on drives in an external enclosure wouldn't likely be all that significant for a server with a high powered CPU, but I have a hard time believing that someone pairing the 4 drive enclosure with an N5105 powered NAS wouldn't notice a significant performance hit. I could be wrong, though.
You make a good point about the benefit of centralizing on a single share being easier to manage. I was thinking more about a secondary or backup storage or something along those lines.
If going for a single centralized share is the goal it seems to me that adding an external drive enclosure would be sort of a stop gap measure to get around poor planning of the server requirements in the first place, but I guess that's a separate topic entirely.
@@fwiler USB and ethernet rely heavily on the CPU (software raid can add some CPU load too depending on setup). Professional servers use fancy offloading network adaptors to handle the packet/frame creation and reassembly but consumer level stuff can only resort to jumbo frames to reduce that burden (if the whole network supports jumbo frames). Without offloading or jumbo frames you need around a 1Ghz core per 1Gb of ethernet so a 10Gb transfer rate would need 4×2.5Ghz cores (One direction, double that for full duplex although SOHO isn't likely to max out both directions at the same time.) This is based mainly on virt-cores the exchange rate to phys-cores, if SMT is turned off, will vary by machine model and other running applications.
Reduced CPU load and USBs lack of DMA were what made 1394/firewire superior to USB in in practice. (It lost to USB in the end because USB devices are like a dollar cheaper to produce.) This is based on old USB2.0 info, I don't know if 3 and 4 have the hardware to offload data transfer from the CPU. All SATA and SAS hard drives use DMA so the CPU only needs to issue a transfer instruction and doesn't need to handle the details of storage transfer. The USB link may defeat that DMA benefit.
The point is that the USB expansion does burden the CPU and if CPU power is modest that USB connection can compete with the ethernet for CPU juice.
pretty neat but 320$ is steep for just a 4 drive hard drive dock
SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (USB 3.2 Type C and Type A) (DS-UCTB)
600 dollars for a case tho. you can grab any old full server tower case instead or old cd dupe case.
4 me? No 4u da man said.
4 drives isn’t enough
But does it have ECC memory‽‽‽
Nice that they have started to honestly put non-hobbled multi-gig ethernet in some home products.
Most consumer products are being artificially limited to 2.5Gb. The multi-gig standard wasn't made so speed could be selected by manufacturer, it was made so speed could be selected by device negotiation and cable quality.
2.5Gb devices are ok for many end nodes, but its not a place to shave pennies in infrastructure devices like NAS servers and switches. Economically their is not much point in upgrading a whole network just to go from 1Gb to 2.5Gb.
Yeah no point except the 2.5x speed. When's the last time you saw a computer component give you 2.5x speed boost for so cheap? 10Gb will not work for most due to cabling, power, heat, and switching price. Not to mention, on a home network, 99% of people don't care.
@@fwiler You are right if you need a 100m run through a high noise environment like a factory or high-rise office. Where fiberoptic would be called for. But there is more than one 10Gb standard for the ethernet physical layer.
The newer multi-gig standard (which includes 1Gb, 2.5Gb and 5Gb) can run 10Gb over the unshielded cat6a that a lot of people currently have installed, even 10Gb over cat6 for the distances in a normal house (no 100m runs).
@@mytech6779 WTF are you talking about? The subject is home networking. You must not know the infrastructure of most countries and their houses and buildings if you think a lot have 6 or 6a installed.
@@fwiler 5e is still common for patch cables, because they are the cheapest thing to supply with slow equipment and easy to change as needed. In-wall cables are a different matter.
Any new installation in the last 20 years is either 6 or 6a because the cost of upgrading dwarfs the insubstantial difference in material cost. 5e is mostly 90s stuff and cat5 is 80s and early 90s.
@@mytech6779 Ok bud. You go around and see how many home networks you can upgrade to 10Gb. Good luck with that.
HDDs at 50C? Yeah, no.
Seriously, that's insanity. i don't accept anything over 40; ideally, 35
The noise of hard drives bothers me. I'd like a Nas with quiet SATA SSDs. They cost too much and I won't buy anything.
4 drives is the worst number of drives to have in a raid. Not really fast, not reliable, not really high capacity. Really you want a minimum of 6 drives.
Channels like this make LTT look like fools.
Why do you need a NAS for your home? A NAS could be the thing for a multi user environment. Your kid with a laptop is a multi computer environment, but it is not a multi user environment. Do you really need all of that complication in your life at home too? Isn't life already complicated enough? It seems that some company is just sticking their hand in your pocket and taking the money that you worked hard at earning, when something less complicated and less expensive would do the job you need it to do just fine.
Backups of multi machines, media library, etc...
I use mine as DHCP and DNS servers, running torrents in the background, all of my desktops and laptops and phones and tablets have access to the same NFS directory share. (Better than a secure cloud drive with full LAN network speed.) Its the only practical way to transfer files from my iPad to non-apple storage and printers. (iPad is only for a specific work application, I would never buy another one if not for that specific need.)
The little old NAS(one bay) I have only uses about 15-20watts, so I don't need to leave my 100watt+ desktop active 24/7, when I upgrade or add a new computer all of my stuff is right there, no moving a single personal file.
Yes, most routers can act as DHCP servers, but with local DNS the management is easier with them on the same machine to keep the reservation list sync'd with the DNS record; and the DHCP on the NAS is much more flexible and easier to setup and customize.
They make 22tb hard disk drives and that Mediasonic will hold 4 drives and they make 8 drive ones that are under 300.00 and I believe somebody makes a 10 drive das for about 600.00 that is all cast aluminum. Exactly how much data do you want to back up and how big is your media library? A NAS can be very good for the right multi user situation, but most homes just are not that situation. I watched a video of some guy setting up a two bay NAS so his parents could store all of their pictures. Wouldn't two external drives have done the same thing with similar redundancy, then his parents could have managed it themselves. I had a business with about 20 people. A NAS in that situation would have been very useful. This was the 90s and they didn't have NAS yet. It would have been nice having one central data point rather than going around to 20 computers and backing them up. A big advantage of a NAS is file control. I didn't exactly want my receptionist to be able to read and erase the files of my book keeper. A DAS can back up data easier and cheaper than a NAS. If backing up data is all that you want a NAS for, you don't really need a NAS.
A NAS isn't a need. In fact neither is the computer you are typing on now.
@@MarkDalbey-cv9sb There was network attached storage in the 90s. They just called them file servers. They existed then for the same reasons as today. They provide centralized storage for multiple machines and or users.
Are we going to talk about how @spiralout112 left a comment 3 weeks ago on a video that's only 7 minutes old? Am I the only seeing this?
probably uploaded 3 weeks ago and accidentally made public.
@@DanMan1990 good enough of a reason for me, thanka for offering an explanation
That requires skill, no doubts!
it could also be a patreon or floatplane early access video.