I Made My Own JBOD Enclosure For CHEAP
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Timestamps:
0:00 Building My Own JBOD
0:34 Sponsor - Magic Spoon
2:00 Options for adding more hard drives
3:37 The PC I'm using this with
4:42 Building my custom enclosure
9:32 First test
10:02 Cable management and fans
11:40 TrueNAS and performance
12:47 How much did it cost?
13:43 Was it even worth it? - Věda a technologie
Dude I’m so bored of listening to CZcamsrs pushing products .. this was a really good idea and was well described and presented. Thank you!
IKR...what would be awesome...even if HH did decide to show a few "shill" gimmes...do a comparison of "DIY or BUY" like GreatScott! (YT) does for electronic trinkets and stuff...
Showcase the sponsored stuff right next to something "equivalentish" he built himself...
HH willingness to try and keep it "homelabber friendly" unlike some of these other bozos is what sets him apart! And why we appreciate him so much!
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he wouldnt have to push products ,if youtube stopped coming up with weak reasons to steal ad revenue from creators
He "pushes" several products in this video: The LSi HBA, the eVGA 650 watt, the Add2PSU adapter, not just 80 mm fans... Redux Noctua fans, etc.
@@tim3172thats not pushing lol. There was no push or emphasis on choosing the specific brand of those products, just grabbed what he needed and also advised of alternatives with no shilling for specific brands.
Hardware Haven also built his own CZcams channel. It's great!
Also a bit janky
@@HardwareHaven 🤟
@@HardwareHavenif it was anything but, I wouldn't be here 😂and the opening titles you come up I always enjoy
I have 24 drives in 3 stacks of 8 like this, running off two 16e HBAs passed through proxmox to a TrueNAS core VM. It works without issue. I did the exact same as the video with individual fan-out cables and SATA power expanders. The whole thing is cooled by a big ol box fan that keeps room temp.
That's awesome!
Why proxmox to truenas vm and not just truenas?
@@Todrak I got other VMs I run on that machine.
Did thou know thou can use a expander card to easily multiply thine ports? It lets thou use up to 512 drives at least on the 4 port hba I hast.
@@worldking348cool, but y do u speak that wae?
When ever I research something like this 90% of the time I get people telling me not to do this. I'm glad to see this video cuz it makes me confident I can do this with out to many problems
With processor speeds able to handle MUCH more IO ops, setting up software raid is actually faster than some of the 90's hardware raid compatible hardware...
Just imagine ZFS parity computations on a AMD K6-2 (or a pentium 4)...LOL
@@haydenc2742 There was a big leap with the Softraids in the 00's. Then it became viable to make it on Pentium III or Athlon as Servers. Using Softraids for your own Machine became viable with the Athlon X2 Family as most Programs were still single tasked. For intel it was the C2D Series. The HT Processors were not realy good at Softraid and Gaming. I tried Softraid on my Athlon XP 3000+ and went back to the Hardware Raid controller, as 10-15% CPU Performance on a Single Core is a big sacrifice. But it was much less power then earlier.
@@haydenc2742 nothing to do with CPU speeds...... , it is PATHWAYS.....
that is why companies still buy servers, specifically becasue of the way he pathways are structured....
like all these clowns randomly sticking in 10GB optical connectors..., if they took time to actually READ the diagnostics from the cards.....
they would see the pathways are saturated and the cards are throttling.
Also like people saying well i checked and the temp is fine.....
What they really mean is they have not understood the real issue and function of the systems..., you have to power cool these drives, becasue under specific circumstances they can suddenly have a 10-20 deg rise in temp in a matter of minutes.
And many of these drives are speced at 50 deg and they die... or disable, manufacturers firmware.
So you might be happily wanking off about what a wonderful job you did, and suddenly the drives start to heatup and before you have time to throw on extra fans
the internal head coils have expanded and crashed the heads or twisted the drives.
It's not about building system by throwing shite together......... any clown can do that... any clown can build a working system from working parts...
but if you suddenly have a single drive failure and the system then has to start recovering data from every drive to rebuild & reconstructing the data in real time...
then suddenly you can have a very very bad and expensive day.... as you hammer the head coils...
I have systems that have been running 8 years 24/365..... are way way over the 50,000hours MTBF and have zero errors... zero bad blocks, and no disconnects.
With such PCIe card in HBA/IT mode it's actually 100% fine. What people advise against is using USB connections for this. You could also put some rubbers etc. around screws and on ground to counteract vibrations.
Maybe too obvious, but remove the internal 400W PSU, and put the 650W one in there to handle everything (PC and JBOD).
You know, I thought of that.... as I was editing 🤦♂️
The jankiness was worth it for the video though haha
@@HardwareHavenlenovo using its own connector from the psu to the mainboard. its not regular ATX 24pin, its more like ATX12VO.
This is assuming there's no proprietary bs connection between that PSU and motherboard
@@guiorgy from markings on the side seems to be a standard FSP power supply.
You can adapt the connector... i have a lenovo m92 sff board transplanted into an atx tower running off a standard atx psu
Only thing missing is the supermicro backplane to clean up the cabling. I did something similar to this a while ago and I thought the fans would be overkill, ends up they were useful when actually doing large copies from my workstation. Used that setup for a couple years just because I was proud I'd built it myself.
did any of the disks die because of vibration?
@@germanenriquezillescas9421 no, didn't have any of them die and I still have the drives even though they currently are not in use.
a lot of libraries have 3d printers available, you might be able to make drive sleds for that acrylic enclosure. Or get a friend with a 3d printer.
The biggest life-hack for getting cheap components is knowing people. I learned where the cast-off computers go for some departments in my university and you're allowed to just walk in and go picking, but it's also a slight secret.
There are good user friendly 3D Printers around which are inexpensive.
The biggest Problem is to avoid the Cheap Printers which needs lot of knowledge to run well.
My Advise at the Moment:
Bambu Lab A1 Not the Combo with color changer, the simple A1.
Very good Printer easy setup and prints out of the Box very good prints.
While Printers like the Creality Ender 3 V2 Neo or Anycube Cobra 2 are cheaper,
they need lot of more knowledge of printing and especially mantaining those. Rebuilding one of those ATM.
With the price of the prebuilt jbod enclosures, this is a very good option. Another good option is a real server case if you have space. I got my 4u case for £400, and spend another £30 on a trio of Arctic P12max fans to get a quieter build. This one has 24 front drive bays, and works great.
I have exactly the same thought. A 4U case will take less space than a external hdd caddy.
10:20 Lifehack: instead of cutting a support bracket - you can bend it in or out, that increases gap to really shove any connectors through.
I've got Graphics card through razor connector in a very slim PC and because of that I was forced to connect to card's ports inside the case. So I bent bracket, thrown DVI through and bent it back.
If you want to make a bigger JBOD enclosure you can also get a SAS expander (to mount in the JBOD enclosure) and a SAS card with only 2 external ports. You need A LOT of mechanical drives to saturate 8 SAS 6gbit channels.
This comment is as useful as finding out eSATA comes with and without multiplexing...thanks for the tip. I'll be looking for an expander!
@@hotswapster Sata multiport/multiplexing is not reliable and has limitations (and not all controllers support it). If you want to do a multiplexing setup you should go SAS and use expanders, it is stable and there it's more or less plug and play.
@@hotswapster I mean SAS cards and SAS expanders, you can use Sata drives with that, no problem. Just DO NOT use Sata port multipliers
There is an other version of this enclosure where, we can mount a psu and it looks like a huge genga block, i am not sure if it was a concept design or what, but i found it cool.
I am sure after a few videos, nas bro will find a entire pc case made out of a acrylic panels
I have added this acrylic piece on my wishlist for quite sometime. I'm glad i found your video. I'll be doing this jbod thing once i get to this point in future. Thanks for this amazing video
I made a similar (but less professional) setup recently. LSI HBA in my Dell R620. HBA off EBay was ~$35 and came with both cables for 8 drives. Currently they live in a pile on top of my server with a box fan cooling them. Powered by a small form factor power supply I pulled from an old Inspiron desktop. Was having issues with a TrueNAS VM so I decided to do ZFS in proxmox directly. It’s been working great. I do plan on getting a proper enclosure made, and you video makes me think laser cutting or CNC might be the best option, especially since my schools shop has both. Love the content, I actually setup my first server (2008 Mac Pro) after watching your video about crafty with CasaOS. Upgraded it basically immediately for more RAM. Paid $210 for a R620 with 2x E5-2680v2 CPUs, and 256gigs of DDR3 from a local shop. My boss gave me eight 2 terabyte HDDs from some of our old servers and a HP 48 port PoE+ gigabit network switch (for a future project)
I have been looking at those JBOD racks for a bit, thanks for making this video! On the issue of the fan brackets on the back, if you use IPS Weld-On 16 cement on one side when you have screwed in one side of the drives it is MUCH easier to assemble. You can add cement to the other side after the rack is fully assembled for additional stability.
Thanks for your great videos! You are exploring all the options I've been playing with and helping me make sure I'm looking at lots of options.
I've seen these racks on Ali Express for a while but didn't want to have to take it apart to change a drive. For just a few pence per drive more, you could have the drives on rails. Use plywood or MDF panels and screws to form a rigid box. I'd go with 3, top, bottom and middle. A pair of screws/pins/stand-offs on each side of the drive could ride in a slotted acrylic rail attached to the side panel. The drives can slide in and out, and the case is wider by only twice the thickness of the acrylic. A 3rd locking screw could fix the drives into the slots. This allows for vertical or horizontal orientation of the array. I hope some enterprising reader puts out a kit!
I'm using a Yottamaster 5-bay, USB-C, 10Gig external enclosure. It identifies each drive by serial number on Unraid on my Asrock Taichi, but not on the little Lenovo minis. The Serial numbers are visible to Proxmox/Truenas on any platform I've tried. (I imagine that's a driver's issue with Unraid.) I've never seen any of the "drop-out" issues described by some posters, whatever drop-outs are. I paid £210 direct from Yottamaster and haven't looked back. It's quiet, cool, and very clean with only the A/C and USB C cable. I'd really like to see a SAS or PCI attachment option on these.
I've also used the Icy Dock 4x 2.5 inch drive SATA housing. I used the 4-drive version because it accommodates 15mm drives. The enclosure fits in a 5.25 inch drive bay. I use 4x 5TB notebook drives in a zfs zraid1 array for 15TB net storage. More than I need. Next time, I'll use a zraid2 array for 8T net.
Thanks again for your excellent videos and for doing the hard work for the rest of us!
Very pro way of DIYIing them, of which I had previously wondered about a best approach to using those open drive holders. Thanks for showing the best way to do it.
There's something quite endearing when you've done a DIY and it all "just works (tm)". I guess that's because you've done it yourself, it's non-trivial to put together and get all the right components ... and it's yours. If you've saved money - even better 😎
I think video like this inspire us tired everyday Sysadmins to pick ourselves up and do some cool tech for ourselves - and if this was mostly built out of "stuff I had lying around", the cost would be very little.
Thanks - another good idea!
As for what to do with it now that it's assembled, up and running ... maybe make it available over you 10Gb connection(s) as an iSCSI host that allows other systems to mount the storage remotely (that is what we do with VMs at work).
Thanks! I love hearing that these videos are at least entertaining if not slightly inspiring, especially for people that work in IT. Also thanks for the idea!
Your comment is 1 day before ?!?!?!?!?!?
@@valoroushell CZcamsrs regularly publish content early for Patreons or Subscribers. The Time Stamp would therefore be before the Live Publish, since CZcams doesn't force them to re-upload content.
@@valoroushell I'm a channel supporter - we get early access 😃
Oh thanks@@CorwinPatrick
Im running everything on a DIY Zimaboard NAS with 2 Harddrives in a woodworking diy case. This is exactly what I was looking into to add more drives. Thanks!
I love this channel for the tidbits of info you dish out. Like the "add to psu" hickey. I had no idea that type of thing existed and didn't have much luck finding reference points for inspiration. You're providing a positive service to tech humanity.
I threw together a JBOD shelf that was full of jank. This was an enjoyable view.
I love DIY solutions like this. Many of us don't have the budget for enterprise hardware. This is very helpful.
This is the kind of stuff I’m here for!! Legit affordable options and totally thinking outside of the box (or case in this matter)! Love it.
I did this with an Amazon stainless 4x hard drive cage with a 120mm fan. Added a thin mini itx motherboard with dc power supply on a sheet of plexiglass with a female sata power to 4x sata power.
I have actually been considering this as an option while shopping for a case for the family... thing... so it's really helpful that this dropped today!
This was a pretty nice idea ! Just make sure to print out the serial numbers and put them on the side so if a drive fails you can end up identifying it easier!
You've done a really nice job there, well done 👍 Great video quality and presentation too.
That enclosure is quite clever, using the drives themselves as a structural component.
It's amazing how big the market is for storage, yet there is so few solutions that work well. That includes m.2, sata ssd, and mechanical drives. I've got a half dozen ssd's and another of nvme drives just sitting here from upgrades done in the past. I would love to be able to buy a product to hook them up to my server for storage that wasn't usb. I like that you found a solution to the power issue that normally plagues users with external storage needs.
I really like your solution. I've been looking for something similar, and everything out there is expensive & wasteful. But not this! I love the power supply extension and how the HBA works.
You can make the acrylic enclosure a bit taller and put the PSU in the bottom, and you can use an IEC Y splitter to reduce the power cables to one instead of two (one for each PSU).
Also, there are many cheap fan controller boards with thermal probe to controller the fans' speed, I think that will make it a bit quiter while it's idle
I think that's pretty awesome! Not only do you save a few bucks and have a fun little DIY project but you don't limit compatibility as you mentioned that so many of the USB enclosures do. I ran into that with USB enclosures repeatedly and it's a huge headache. If I were you I'd keep it and use it. You built it and although it may be a bit janky it looks pretty slick if you keep it facing front. Thanks!
"if you keep it facing front" 😂
Was just thinking about this! Yesterday I hacked out the 5.25 inch bay separating the two front slots on my p410 (same case, different chipset) for a cheap 3 bay enclosure
i wanted to add more drives soon, this video was right on cue! great video :)
Holy Crap! I just bought this 2 weeks ago. lol
Edit: Also, once you went SAS, your connectivity and Stability became infinity better than USB. It's well worth what little you paid for them. Way back, I built a FreeNAS server and used USB to expand. Totally against any recommendation from the FreeNAS Forum. Needless to say those four external boxes eventually bricked. 4x USB = 4x failure rate. I've gone SAS Card with an External open frame using a SAS Expander Card. A Graphics Miner PCIe expander to Power the SAS Card (even though the SAS Expander is an PCIe x4 card, it only uses the power from PCIe, all data is over SAS), and it works like a charm. The SAS Expander does need an Extra fan though, it gets Hot! So I use a 1-Slot Scroll Fan (Used before Graphics Cards regularly had their own Fans).
This is just what I was looking for. I had considered one of those JBOD cases but avoided it because of the cost. Thanks for the information.
I love your videos dude, I've learned a lot from watching your NAS and Router tutorials, I've yet to see anyone do a tutorial on how to access your NAS from outside your local network though, I think it'd be cool if you made one.
What a creative project which solves a real problem. I was thinking recently to expand my storage solution and this seems like a very viable solution.
I actually did something slightly differerent to get my drives into my case. I have a MicroATX case (Thermaltake Versa H18) with a MicroATX mobo. It has a power supply shroud, but no drive bays (just places to screw in some drives). I bought a 5-drive hard drive cage that is supposed to fit in a 5x 5.25-inch bay, I think. Then I just used double-sided tape to attach it to the top of my PSU shroud at the front of the case. The case and this cage and perfectly sized so that the cage and drives don't interfere with the motherboard, and they fit with the case's side panel on. They also get easy access to air from the front panel. This won't work in every case, but it was perfect for my scenario! And since this was internal, I was able to easily connect each drive with SATA cables directly to the motherboard.
I love the idea when you already have most of the bits. This is clearly in the realm of "you could...but should you?"
See...now THIS is what I'm talking about!!!!
Within reach of the home lab, and most peoples pocketbooks!
Keep em coming!!!!
I did something very similar, I used a drop of hot glue to hold the washers (I used silicone washers) in place.. I also just made my own case, I used a metal HD rack as a pattern, and the one you bought is very very close to what I made, I had some plexiglass that was left from a different project. I was able to put 10, 10TB HD's.. I'm going to redo how mine is connected and use the way you did it, the way I did was basically use them as connected external drives.. I also used a separate power supply to power mine too, I had a older one, I repurposed to power my HD's.. I wish you had this video out 4 months ago.. Thank you for sharing..
That's awesome! I have an old PC that I went with the icy dock solution and 2.5" SSD's but was not very happy with how it turned out. In this case I used an internal hardware raid, which in doing reading later found out wasn't really hardware raid anyways.
Here, your CPU will deal with the drives and that doesn't take a lot of processing power! So for an older machine you don't want going to e-waste I love this.
Thanks for sharing!
did something similar and modded the powercables:
you can pop of the backpanel of the sata plugs and pull the cables of the crimp terminals. plug them unpopulated into the hard-drive stack and then line up your 5 fresh (!!!) powercables into them
(you dont want to reuse the old ones, they got "bite marks" from the crimp terminals and when unlucky, short out on these open connections).
cut away the exccess cables and you got perfect poweraddapters for your stack.
Enjoyed this one! Fun project. Thank you!
Nice video. Good visuals and audio with sufficient explanation. Well done sir.
This was a great video simply for how it demonstrated the SATA-to-HBA and Add2PSU combination. With that mechanism you can effectively create any DAS of your choosing.
I did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons a few years ago. I absolutely love it.
this is exactly what i was looking for. i have a SFF dell pc im using as a NAS but it only has space for a single drive. i also love enterprise network things and an external jbod with fancy sas cables etc is satisfying
Great video, I actually made something like this myself recently apart from I did not end up using some acrylic kits. I had some spare 3mm plywood lying around and I must say if you have the means to cut it straight and pre-drill the mounting holes after you have spray painted it it can do just as good a job as those acrylic kits you bought from China.
You did a great job my only comment and advice would be you can purchase far smaller power bricks which provide 12 volts and up to 9 amps which would be more than enough to power all of those drives meaning you could ditch the pc power supply but you'd lose the power on functionality. You could then mount one of these power bricks to the side or top of the case. Most of them use barrel jacks but they sell converters. Even hanging out the back but more clean.
Great work, keep it up
Edit: P.S I also own one of those sabrent x4 2.5" enclosures and they are indeed trash, why companies wish to hide drive serials and labels with they're own name and branding is a mystery to me.
I've tried all sorts of external enclosure, USB is often flaky when loaded and USB hubs are trash and often just reset when you are writing to multiple drives. Yes everything had its own power brick, this is just controllers hanging and resetting.
SAS cards and sas expanders are turnkey and rock-solid, and in most cases much cheaper than large USB enclosures
I like this idea.
I am all for doing stuff like this.
I have an old case I used for a workstation, and I made my own 4-drive enclosure, which fits right inside the case. I even made a video of it but have not edited any of it. It has been over a year since I did mine. I think I might throw some of the footage up on my channel one day.
Essentially, the enclosure design as it slips right into the existing bay. It is pretty cool.
In a past life, I used an erector set to group pairs of drives together in a stack.
These days, there are external single bay metal enclosures sold in pairs on Amazon for $6. They hold a drive with integrated rubber mounts and have a provision on the front for screws. They slide and lock together for easy stacking and come in power-coated black out of the box.
I picked up 4 bays for my NAS as an external mirror and I only turn it on for weekly archives.
Can you please provide a product link to the stackable enclosures you're referring to?
Got a search term for those? I've only seen these acrylic ones
@@AlistairBrugsch I think the link is causing the comment to be suppressed.
Naturally, the cages I bought are out of stock and going for exorbitant prices now. As requested, here is the listing title:
Phanteks - Stackable 3.5" HDD Bracket Duo Pack Cases PH-HDDKT_03
@@T3hBeowulf I found the product. How do you stack them?
@@xSpaceDementia They slide together on rails and lock in place with a spring tab. You can stack as many as you want.
this was Exactly what I was looking for THANK YOU
Happy to help!
I've had good experiences with my Oyen Digital Mobius 5 bay enclosure but I love the DIY nature plus the ability to have twice as many drives.
I love it! I’ve been tempted to DIY my own enclosure for years, but never took the plunge.
This is OUTSTANDING! I have also been struggling with storage, i use an older HTPC case for a NAS/PLEX server with TrueNas Core (terrified to swap to Scale) I am using a 7th gen i5 Commercial Matx board, with 16gb ram, the case has room for roughly 6 drives, but with some ingenuity was able to use some single Drive enclosures and some extra Metal slot covers and Pop rivited the enclosures to the slot covers and BAM! Two more secure Drive bays in the unused space where a full ATX board would be! I will say for your solution, you may have been able to power those drives with a MUCH smaller PICO power supply or even a used OEM SFF PSU for much cheaper! Just a thought! Drives don't need all that power! with a few molex adapters you are golden!
About a pico PSU, I have some doubts it's actually safe. When starting up, some drives can pull over 30W, so you'd need a pico psu that's still able to handle 240W at peak (for a few seconds). You can counter that with staggered spinup, but that's more complex, and you can't use that if you put your drives to sleep after some time. Also, you need about 1A (constant) on the 5V per drive, and I'm not sure that those pico PSUs can handle a constant 8A (40W) on the 5V as they provide it through a little converter
2:06 I have the SAME 9010. Stuck in two 23TB drives in the same location. Dell is ALL STOCK. Love the fact it has WOL (Just need to set it up properly! ) The plastic drive cages are wonderful, and quiet. and just sits there. Plenty of expansion and speed for hooking up large drives to back up all your old data for the last 25 years or so. Built in Display just means more room for PCI-e add in cards in this simple and quiet well built system.
I see you used a Lenovo afterwards after watching the video. WHoops!
Anyways, these plastic enclosures are PERFECT if you use some aftermarket hardware bits, and put them inside of an old PC Case. Or even a Mini ITX case as they are easy to gut out.
I had a Corsair case, cant remember which, but it supported 8 drives by default, and could expand up to 12 with buying another drive bay that bolts into the tower when you remove the 5.25" bays (So 12 tall). When I got past 12 drives, I ended up buying 3 more bays and stacking them onto each other the same as they support, and then drilled a few holes in the bottom of the case and stacked them right next to the other ones (2 stacks of 12). Ended up with a tower that allowed 24 HDDs inside it 😁
When I outgrew that, it was time for a rack and a drive shelf connecting to an HBA. lol
That actually looks really nice! The black and grey fits great in my opinion.
Hey for the washer replacement, you might wanna consider felt tape put on the side of the hdd. Inferior to the silicon/rubber vibration reduction but still can get the job done somewhat (experienced it with my synology nas) and it'll be a bit easier to slide in an out after you have bunch of drives on the said acrylic housing
That a decent bit of hardware hackery!! Love your video production mate!
Looks awesome! Simplicity is key with something like this though. Especially if you can get away with it for half the cost of a JBOD.
as someone who bought a 4U case for 15 drives. I can say those HBAs work great. Just need to make sure you spec the PSU the correct size and / or "balance" the drives per power rail so you don't overload one over the other.
Found this out the hard way in proxmox when it dropped drives in the middle of the night.....
I think this is a really great solution because of the expandability. True nas + a little bit older computer that can handle the data transfer has so much more appeal to me than $1,000 16 bay nas.
If you don't need instant access but want to be able to store a bunch of old videos, that's such an easy way to have all the hard drives with all the old stuff on it that you can just stick in the closet in a very organized kind of way. It looks like it's a bit annoying with the screws and washers and the cable management, but it's definitely a worthwhile endeavor. That's very expandable. Love the videos
Hi. I love it. I don’t yet have enough need for so many drives, but will keep it in my mind for back to my Synology in the the attic in the future if needs be.
Really cool to see a good youtube video on a nice JBOD. Very practical and affordable. Also pretty versatile, you could hook up the drives to different computers for example. If you're someone who prefers clusters. Much more affordable than finding a solution to hook up separately for each node.
Also, I would prefer using the same power supply for the PC and whatever drives you hook up to you in the JBOD. As someone else pointed out, you could've replaced the PSU in the desktop with your better PSU that you used anyways.
This was a fun and interesting video. I really enjoy these out of the box ideas.
Looks great. Has a certain raw mechanical aesthetic i can appreciate.
For years and year I've thought going the some route, and since I've recently managed to grab 2 n40l HP Microservers, I'll be gating them and repurpose the 2 miniSAS to SATA, the power supply and build somewhat system like yours.
Love your vid's man and I've always taken your experience and knowledge in consideration
Cheers form Portugal
thank you for the names of the items you used. I enjoyed the video
Don't worry about leaving those washers out. They would provide ZERO noise isolation since the screw is still hard connected to the panel and the drive. To provide isolation you cannot have a hard mount between the drive and the panel. Something like those screw grommets you might see would do this, but a washer will not.
I didn't know that ad2psu unit existed. That's brilliant.
Thank you sooooooo much for this! I currently have an 8 bay usb 3 and for the last couple of weeks it has been dropping out drives all the time. I use drive pool so that plex can see one drive and as well as my pc. I have moved it between multiple pcs so I know that it is the usb enclosure. I will use this video as my basis for my new system
Would love to see something like this, but for 2.5" drives! Thanks for the great video!
I hate the marketing for Magic Spoon. There is no such thing as grain-free cereal. Cereal is, by definition, grain. That's like saying water-free water.
That and the price for such a little box is like 2x-3x the price.
Those sata extensions cables work really well for the 3.3 volt problem for shucked drives. You can peel the back cover off and just take the 3.3 volt cable out and put the covers right back on.
Good video, if the size of array is going to be an issue, there is an alternative.
Icydock do a 6 x 2.5" to 5.25" drive adaptors (MB326SP-B) but these do cost around $90, You could probably get away with a 250W PSU to power the drives.
Unless your using SSD's, the 2 fans they have may be adequate, the drives may get warm if used long term so additional ventilation may be required.
You should make another video showing a way to make a stand/stabilizer from a 3d print that helps to include the PSU and ADD2PSU.
I'd also love to see a way to 'rackmount' this :).
Dude, I did this EXACT same setup (same acrylic frame, sata splitter, and raid card) back during the chia mining crazy a couple years ago. Wish I would have known about that 2nd power supply board you used!
I've always liked your diy solutions for home use, ever since that diy server nas board video you made in the beginning. If you ever get a 3d printer, I'd put some kinda panels for the front and rear of the jbod.
Brotip: use the 1-to-4 splitter cables with capacitors, i.e. the Silverstone CP06-L-USA.
That smooths out the power delivery to your drives, as starting up 8, 10, 10+ disks at once is a huge stress on your power supply.
(Disk shelves generally have staggered disk startup for this very reason.)
Dig it. Love how compact it is.
You don't believe this! I was actively preparing a similar JBOD. But I go for an old PC case. The small chip to to switch the powerblok on was new to me. Thank you for this cool video!
You can also us a paperclip or a metal wire to bridge two pins in the 24pin ATX PSU connector (look up a pinout diagram). That's all the switch does, closes a contact between the two wires, to signal the PSU to turn on
@@marcogenovesi8570 i believe this one does a bit more. It only goes on if the pc is on. Nothing fancy but still pretty cool!
If you are using a seperate case check out the Supermicro CSE-PTJBOD-CB1 JBOD Power Board. A little bit more costly than the solution in the video but enabling the power button makes it easier to move the case between systems.
If you want a bunch of HDDs but don't want to add a whole second PSU to power them, Corsair sells a little $30 unit that takes a PCI-E 12v power input and sends out 20ampsa of 5v power for connecting a bunch of drives to. Basically expanding the 5v rail a bunch of the one PSU you have.
What is it called?
@@user-pc9th4xr6i Corsair +5v Load Balancer. You can run 8 HDDs off each unit and it only pulls from the 12v rail of the PSU instead of the 5v rail. So no more worrying about 5v load ratings. 1PCI-E cable in, 8 HDD SATA power plugs out. Looks like the price went up to $40 now, so I guess try and find them on sale when they go back down to $25-30
@@user-pc9th4xr6i My reply keeps getting deleted for some reason. Sorry. Just try and search for Corsair Load Balancer
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@@user-pc9th4xr6iIt's a buck converter, just a bit expensive for what it is. Cheapest solution is to use an older PSU that's rated for something like 30A on the 5V, those were popular for Perk mining back in the days to power up dozens of cheap smartphones.
The gray fans look sick AF. Very nice video, I really learned a lot! Thanks for your hard work making these videos. Using a power supply that's 650W at only 65W (about 10% of max) is typically very efficient compared to using a PSU near it's maximum power. Using a second PSU instead of adding those 65W of drives to your 400W lenovo PSU was a very good move.
It’s funny that in the last few days I experienced the same problem. I want to build a little NAS with 8 HDD’s but there is no ITX case available with enough space. And I also don’t want a big case. I really had an eye on the Jonsbo N3. But I can’t buy it anywhere. So I concluded I have to go DIY. My two requirements were all HDD’s internal and it has to be a cube. So I build a little ITX cube frame from metal where I can mount my board, psu, all 8 HDD’s on anti-vibration mounts and fans for the board and the storage. And then I build a acrylic glass shell for my frame. Looks actually not that bad and very clean. And because I love cube cases I just have to like it.
I've built two 12 bay JBODs using used SuperMicro gear I bought on eBay. The first one was kind of tough because i wasn't sure which cables and adapters to use, but the second one was a breeze! Not including drives, I have 24 slots for under $500.
Nice build! A way cheaper but very reliable way to remote the second PSU is a relay with a 12 or 5 V trigger. With the NO and C outputs on the relay hooked to the 2nd PSU's power on pin and ground. The trigger is obvious, any spare 12V or 5V connector from the first PSU. Been using this method for my Hotswappable cages on my NAS for years without a hiccup.
Perhaps adding a mount to the enclosure to hold the PSU? Its a cool DIY idea. Thanks for sharing!
I second this idea!
I got myself a 16bay supermicro for cheap. Has hotswap, can be turned into a dedicated storage-box or used as a complete server by mounting a mainboard.
And the best: It has hotswap! Was about 200-250$ including a Xeon-Board, CPU, RAM etc. which i didn't use.
Years ago i did similar stuff, but after all, nothing beats a professional solution. Anyway, good idea. And the way you added the second PSU is nice!
And you are right: I can't even understand why someone would consider USB for connecting storage to a server.
Very neat setup.
I had never heard of that ADD2PSU device, when I went to configure 30 HDDs for UnRAID (just because how awesome would it be to connect 30 HDDs) I used a passive 24pin splitter I had laying around from back when I was doing ETH mining and the rigs always needed 2x PSUs. They are cheaper too. FYI
btw, I seem to always stumble into your videos. Very clean video, well presented, informative, one of the best, and just seems to answer questions I had, and didn't know to ask. Thanks.
Working on something very similar at the moment. My power solution is to use two different SATA cables from the PSU, and ziptie them as they hang out of a vertical PCI bracket hole in the case so they stick out a few inches and just use SATA power extensions and splitters to power the drives. Currently running 4 drives off one SATA power cable but I'm hoping I can hook up 8 to one without anything melting.
I janked together a similar physical arrangement of drives and fans (noctua redux are very nice) on the drive bay shelf of my server case.
great videos. I really enjoy just getting older server tower systems. Throw in a very beefy power supply and no other worries. Although you made it look very pretty.
This video is giving me new ideas for future hard drive expansion. Although I wish Aliexpress offered a metal enclosure vs the acrylic for durability and heat transfer.
I built something similar, but it was just... too janky for my liking. I ended up buying a SilverStone CS382 case, it fits a mATX board and has 8 3.5" hot swap bays. It's a fantastic NAS case and solved all my high drive count issues pretty much completely
I'm thinking of buying one of those vertical test stand units and then build a shell around it. After watching this video, I'm now thinking that the test stand and something like this plastic HD stand maybe the way to go.
I am looking at making a shell that would enclose both stands by using those four(4) side slotted aluminum extrusions in each corner. Connect the extrusions to the bottom and then just slide the five(5) sided lid on to the extrusions.
Filtered fan ventilation is the only part of the design that I'm having problems coming to grips with.
I got a used enterprise 12bay with the option to expand two more 12 bay jbods. The unit i got was $600. It was alot of money, but it runs Synology dsm and it's super easy to use for a beginner.
And i don't feel like i have to worry about expanding in the future.
If you want vibration dampening without the hassle, one thing you can try are silicone grommets for M5, M6, or #6-32 screws. You may need to drill the holes out to a slightly larger size as grommets are supposed to fit inside the hole.
Some older cases, particularly Antec, used to come with those.
Oh, and one more thing you can do for vibration dampening the entire thing is adding earthquake-resistant gel pads. They are usually clear blue in color, and you should be able to find them at most online stores in the Asia region.
I use this exact hard drive cage but with a USB setup. I used a USB to SATA adapter that accept a 12V DC input for each drive, hooked up to a large powered USB hub, and connected to my Optiplex 3060 micro. For the fans, I used some cheap but very nice Thermalright fans, as well as fan filters and a type c pwm fan controller from AliExpress. The 12V DC charging brick was also from AliExpres. The total is a lot lower in comparison. I'm using it for a different purpose, so I'm not concerned with transfer speed, and I also wasn't using TrueNAS, just Windows.
This is what homelab is really about 😅 what a great video very creative ❤
I would try to eliminate the separate ATX PSU on the desk. Either put that into the main case, or use some kind of AC-DC brick which is beefy enough to run the drives. Then I would also try to create some sort of 3D printed backpanel and/or a base box below the enclosure to hide all the tangling wires (and the power brick). I think it would look very tidy that way.
Awesome and very creative. Keep up the creativity!
Perfect example of a SOLID JBOD. Thanks