Wobble Bolts 101
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Wobble Bolts are a relatively cheap and easy way to run wheels that are different than your car's lug pattern.
In this video, I will walk you through some of the other options to achieve lug pattern variation and give you the pros and cons of each.
Where you can buy Wobble Bolts:
Rader Werks
raderwerks.com/parts/pcd-varia...
ECS Tuning
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Yes, that will work too. I don't know why people won't pay attention to the video. The bolts aren't just made for a 5x112 bolt pattern, you can use them for any other bolt pattern.
vid starts at 3:58
Something you havent mentioned here is...it looks like youve got an alloy centric hub ring in the wheel youre showing here? hubcentric rings should be used alongside these wobble bolts to centralise the wheel on the hub since it is the hub which is supposed to take the weight and not the bolts. the bolts are for clamping only. Aluminium is preferable over the commonly available plastic types because lets face it...plastic is s##t isnt it.
Good pace, well spoken, informative, well lit. Probably in the 98th percentile quality wise.
Skip to 4:07 if you just want to know about wobble bolts
Does these wobble bolts work for 112 wheel on 114.3 hubs? You said the reverse is possible but im not sure if this case is gonna work out with thesebolts
Nice video! How safe are these wobble bolts, say on the track or spirited driving? Only downside I can see are no wheel locks =(
awesome video man. Solved my issue. I was wondering if I could use these wobble bolts to run 5x120.7 bolt pattern wheel to the 5x120 pattern on my car hub? I'm guessing so but just want to make sure.
Have you had ANY problems with them over the past 2 years?
I've got an 04 A4, and would like to use 5x114 wheels.
@SQUARESPOKES It was my mistake. I have a staggered set of rikens, 16x8's from a BMW and 16x9.5s from a corvette. After modifying the center mesh to fit the backspacing the wheels fit like a charm. But I am now wondering if the 16x8's will need wobble bolts since they are from a BMW and my Buick Grand National is a GM bolt pattern. I don't think I would need wobble bolts for the 16x9.5 since they are from a corvette (same GM bolt pattern). Thanks for your time.
How safe are these Wobble bolts? I do alot of track racing and want a specific set of rim which i need wobble bolts
These are kool!! Are these safe for track driven cars?
I never used them personally but have a ton of local Lexus guys run lorinser wheels on their car ...which are likely Mercedes bolt pattern . The VW guys half of them run works wheels and are 5x114.3 with wobble bolts . The VW and Audi guys are the most knowledgeable when it comes to nice wheels and wobble bolt . If you don't know try vwvortex and they can tell you...im kind of skeptical on this too but I have slot of info on this from the forum. I personally sold 2 set of work wheels to a few,members and they running fine on wobble bolts and nuts
I followed the link you posted for buying the wobble bolts. How do I figure out what bolts I need? I have a 2004 Volkswagen Passat. Thank You for the help.
Is it safe for high speed usage? Around 180km/h up
@SQUARESPOKES Thank you for this post, taught me something I did not know! Cheers
so where can you purchase these wobble bolts from presently due that the attachment doesn't work anymore
Your video really helped me out ! SUBSCRIBED !
Can you go 5x110 to 5x112? What about the center bore?
if buying from raderworks, how many must you purchase for a 5 lug? 1 set or 4 sets when checking out? i'm a little confused. thanks.
Thanks man this video really helped me, keep up the good work
did you have to drill into your rpf1s?
@SQUARESPOKES can you fit 4x108 wheels on a 4x100 hub using wobble bolts pls?
I just wasted 3 hrs trying 2 put 5X114.3's on my Benz GL 450 (5X112) and was about 2 order adapters until I saw this...Will these work w/ plus size shoes? I have 26s
@SQUARESPOKES Since it is only .7mm variation, couldn't i use my regular lug nuts?
most if not all GM wheels use 120.7 bolt pattern wheels/hubs. I wanna give my e28 a new look with cragar d window wheels (powdercoated white of course)
Anyone know if 5x112( rims) will fit on 5x114.3 (hub) ? if I us wobble bolts ?
Can you use these to mount a smaller PCD (114.3) onto a larger hub (5x120.65)?
Quick question, ordered a set of wheels recently, my lug pattern is 5x112, the boxes all say 5x112 but the inside of the wheel says 5x120. I test fit them to see if they would go on to see if maybe it was a misprint, and they went on no problem(obviously i didnt run them) would a 5x120 typically even line up with a 5x112? I'm wondering if its just a mis print or what. And the company hasn't gotten back to me yet. Let me know what you think!
Joe Stazzone it's a missprint, have the same situation. My rims have 5x100 and 5x108 printed on back but the real size is 5x112. I know because I measured them with a lug pattern measuring tool which you can buy online.
Can I use these nuts for a spare temporary wheel. 108 pattern on a Mercedes 112 pattern hub
I have 4x108 bolt pattern the rims I want are 4x100 do u think wobble bolts could work or I'm going have to buy adapters, or get them drilled, I don't want to use adapters because it takes away from performance, how much does it cost to get the rims drilled??
No, wobble bolts only allow up to 2-3 mm of difference positive or negative.
You would need to do adapters or a redrill. A redrill can run 1 to 2 hours of machinist labor which can vary between areas and companies. Best option would be to call around to local wheel repair shops and ask them pricing.
can I use these on a car with drum in the rear
i have a pontiac g6 with a lug pattern of 5x110, can i run 5x114.3 lug wheels with these bolts. i mean thats slightly less then 1 mm difference per stud.....
Can it go 5x114.3 car to 5x112 wheel ? I would assume yes but I want to make sure
Can i use this to fit corvette sawblades wich lug pattern is 114x5 to a vw mk3 which is 110x5? Help plis
@SQUARESPOKES Thank you for the help.
This is interesting; since I took 16x8's and 16x9.5 (4.75" inch lip on 295's in the rear!) riken mesh's and put them on my 1986 Grand National. Haven't put any miles on them yet. Wonder if I should without these wobble bolts.....?
What are the first wheels in the video?
Love the accelerated socket noise :D
Are wobble bolts and "Inserts" the same thing?
Great video! Thanks!
Very instructive, I learned something today. Also, I wanted to mention that your wheels are very nice. Excellent choice for a VW (Dunno if it's Rabbit, Jetta or Golf, but it does look nice).
Wow, fantastic video. Very Informative, thanks so much.
Great feature.....really helpful....thanks
How about 98x4 rims on 100x4 Toyota Corolla hub? The bolts are already in the hub so you use only lug nuts.
Yes you just buy wobble nuts.
What im wondering is how can it bolt since the holes on the wheels and the aren't lined up. I mean i put my 114.3 wheels on my 112 hub to check and the holes dont line up
Does this work the other way round? I have a set of Wheels which are 5x110 and the new car is 5x112, can I use this to get round that?
Yes it works also
what about 5x110 to 5x114.3, 5x110 to 5x112 and 5x110 to 5x108?
Will I even need wobble bolts from 5x114.2 to 5x114.2?
Great product!
I recommend blue thread locker on those bolts.
I would also 2nd the guy that said they must be Hub Centric.
Show them the hub ring you have in the rim, that centers the wheel on the hub.
If your car is running a set up with studs can u just knock them out and then go ahead and put the wheels on with the wobble bolts?
minipunk99 They sale wobble nuts too for cars with studs.
Will this work for 5x110 to 5x112
So basically I couldn't run 5x120 wheels on a 5x112 car with the wobble bolts? Correct?
Can i do this to convert my 4x100 lug to 5x114.3, i already have the 5 lug wheels coming tomorrow! -__-
thank you for this video!!!
is there any way possible to make custom hub instead? ... becasue adapter's are still for 5 bolts patherns... what is i have a 4 bolts apthern and i want a 5 bolts weel? if any one know if its possible for change a car' bolt pathern let me know okay?
u have vibration on high speeds? with that bulbs?
i need to pass for 4x98 to a wheel 4x100/
Yes, wobble bolts would work for that. So long as you are running a hub centric ring if needed and torque the bolts to oem specs, you should be fine. Vibration tends to occur more without hub centric rings and or out of balance or out of round tires.
So I have a car that is 5x114.3 and I found these 5x120s that I really like and want to run. What do I need to do, they will not fit on my studs
They are too far off. You would instead have to get a wheel adapter.
what about 5x108 to 5x114.3? Please let me know.
What if you want to use wheel locks?
is this change reliable?
I too have a pontiac G6, and from what I can find we can fit a 5x112 wheel with this kind of setup, 5x114.3 I think is too big
5x110 to 5x112??? Any cons???
Skip to 7:59 to avoid the music and soft spoken jibber.
I have 5x114.3 but want to go down to 112? possible with wobble?
Yes, wobble bolts would work for that.
I got wubble bolts and my truck got 5x120 stock. can i put 5x120.65 wheels on with wubble bolts? please help
Marius Jucker yes
How about 110 wheels on the 114?
Thanks! Sorry if you mentioned it and I missed it. My kids are being loud and throwing me off my game
A popular BMW lug pattern is 5x120. A popular GM lug pattern is 5x4.75 inches, or 5.120.7. The difference is big enough that there have been occasional failures and you can see the lugs dont center properly in the wheels. Obviously we are talking about aftermarket BMW wheels on American GT cars. The problem is we use regular lugs with nuts. Im having a hard time finding wobble lugs, do they exist? Are they safe? Are they NHRA legal? SCCA legal?
KyleP133 I ran a set of Borbet wheels on my bmw e36, 3 series coupe. They came of off a chevy s10 pickup that had a bolt pattern of 5x4.75 and my bmw was 5x120. I had no problem at all with the rims, no shake or anything, they ran smooth.
Do you know if these would work for fitting a 5x120 wheel onto a 5x114.3 hub?
elliotb8289 did u get a reply I was wondering the same thing
what if i want to put a 5x112 wheel on a 5x114.3 hub how i do that??
Same process.
Do your cars drop low, do they wobble to and fro?
Yes they do. Especially at the weekends.
dont cars usually have studs on them? so you remove the studs and bolt into it from the outside?
Aquahobby No, European cars use lug bolts, as in bmw, vw, audi. Japanese and American cars use Lug nuts. They sale wobble lug nuts and wobble lug bolts depending on what type of car you have.
Do you feel any sketchyness or wobbling while riding with these bolts?
You shouldn't feel anything. The hub is what is supposed to keep the wheel centered when mounting. If the hub of the wheel is bigger than that on the car you need to get plastic or aluminium rings that you fit on the hub.
I don't feel any vibrations with my 5x112 wheels on 5x110 car.
So does that mean if I get wobble bolts I can run 5x114.3 on a 5x112
Also, what about drilling the rotor? Yours seem to be dual-drilled as well.
How safe are they ?
are they 100% safe?
Freaking amazing!!! Thank you!! I am going from Acura TL 5x114.3 to Vw 5x112 sounds like its going to work!!
***** did it work?
2streetsweeper Yes, I but I had to take out some of the original powder coat around the holes, for a better fit! Thanks once again!
***** i already have 114.3 wheels on my volkswagen 112 for the past 8 days but they are shaking at about 60 mph.i am hopfull these will help me because id hate to have to return my wheels they look so good on my car..
check alignment, also look foe oil around your upper or lower control arm, your struts may be blown, or bad .bushings/bearings, from being lowered, happend on my tbss, bad struts and alignment,
+ACYOTA Crown my axle is leaking grease not sure how bad it is yet..but i have no suspension noise.. we finally got the shaking to stop yesterday after the 4th balancing.. its 99% gone..the wobble bolts also didnt fit my car so i had to return them.. i have 18x9 front 18x10.5 rear xxr 968 wheels..but im all im good now.. ready to drive to boston next week..YAHOOOO lol
Thankyou. I think I will try and let you know.
what if your stock bolt is longer then what they offer. my stock bolt is 40mm they offer only 27mm
Would most likely need to check offset and wheel width to make up the difference or just run an adapter instead.
Nicely done n u answered my question. But now answer this, have u had any problems yet.
Did I miss the obvious here? Imagine - we have a 1 mm offset (radially). Imagine - I tighten the first bolt finger tight (wheel metal touching disc metal), then follow with the rest. Now I tighten them all - full whack. There WILL be a gap between wheel and disc for 4 bolt positions. Isn't a 'spoke' centraliser required? A misalignment horizontally, at the bolt radius (leaving slight gaps for 4 bolts) must magnify at the wheel outer radius. Would this not promote imbalance of the wheels?
My cars Bolt Pattern is 5x114.3 and i want a rim thats 5x112 would that still work... i haven't heard anything about Wobble bolt working that way as of yet just Curiou
Yes, should work either positive or negative.
Keep in mind, Japanese cars have studs, so you would need to buy wobble nuts. Wobble bolts are for European cars that dont have studs.
What about 5x108 to 5x114.3???
Would this fit from 5x108 to 5x110?
Yes that will work. I just mounted 5x112 wheels on my 5x110 Saab. I think most bolts allow 2mm up and down in pattern.
so 5x112 rims can fit on a 5x114.3 with these right ?
DAcanyousaymreyes Yes
How the heck could I install these on my civic if my bolts are studs that are part of the hub?? Because when I take off my wheels I only take out the outer lug nut part not the actual bolt.
Smart Feller yep was wondering the same thing... :-/ Also did some research on how to remove the studs but that does not solve the problem as they are removed and go back in from the back
5x 120.7 to 5x 115?
anyone know where i can get adapters for 5x114.3 to 5x120 .
did you ever find some?
most vehicles have lug nuts not lug bolts My benz s the only vehicle i have ever had with wheel lug bolts every other vehicle i have ever had or have ever changed a tire on had nuts and lug nut studs on the rotors what did i miss in this explanation?
With that bolt, i can put 5x98 on a 5x100?
The other way around
Is there such thing as a wobble nut for cars with studs and lug nuts?
Yep! They're also known as "Variance nuts" if I recall correctly.
www.hd-inc.com/images/HDH%20PCD%20Variation%20Nuts%20%26%20Bolts%202.jpg
Thaifighter Logs gonna look into a 14mm -> 12mm stud conversion with wobble nuts....
how about 5x114.3 to 5x112??
Should work
Anyone have a Amazon like to a 114.3 to 112 set?
so you dont redrill drem as you can affect resale value , but you do open holes what make wheel unusable if they are put on correct bolt patter. best way how to fuck up balance of wheels and handling of car
Nice wheel.
does this eliminate the use of hub centric rings?
Exactly. Same question I have. Because once you introduce the hub centric rings the wheels won't wiggle around
No. You would need both. Hub centric rings help to fill out the contact space between the oem hub and the wheel. This is what centers the wheel to avoid installing off center and creating elliptical motion versus circular motion as the wheel turns. Elliptical motion with its high and low points is one of the causes for vibration at high speed. The wobble or PCD variation bolts are designed to address the small 2mm discrepancy between between the wheel and the hub to properly secure the wheel to the hub laterally.
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can i use wobble bolt on 4x98 with 4x100 wheels?
4 x 98 into 4 x 100?
What about 5x114.3 wheel on a 5x115 car?
Yes, wobble bolts would work.
So it would work the opposite way for rims that are 5x112 to a car that’s bolt pattern is 5x114.3
TKJ I’m literally trying to figure this out as speak. Did you figure it out? Did they fit?
Did any of you guys figure that out? I am trying to figure this out myself