Windows CoPilot+ PC Exclusive AI Features Disappoint..
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2024
- Find CoPilot+ PCs at Best Buy - lon.tv/copilot (compensated affiliate link) - The new ARM based CoPilot+ PCs launched this week with much hype and fanfare.. But the local AI features disapoint. I'll be back soon with reviews of these new ARM pcs from Lenovo and HP! See more ARM windows: • Windows ARM and subscribe! lon.tv/s
VIDEO INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
01:24 - Cocreator in Paint
04:07 - On device AI requires an Internet connection
05:25 - Image Creator doesn't work..
05:57 - Image app AI photo editing
08:03 - Live Captions / Translation
09:01 - Webcam Studio Effects
10:08 - No Recall
11:20 - Conclusion
Correction:
00:10 - The bezels look off as I was outputting a 16:9 image to my capture hardware.
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Get your minds out of the gutter 🤣
Oh.....the gutter is deep enough for everyone 🙂
Hahahaha Lon, at 2:46 it was there. It was definitely definitely there.
@@mattfigueira856 🤣
Such naughtiness...😆🤣!
BTW...are you reviewers ALLOWED to run Linux for ARM on these machines? Maybe just running it from a USB stick if not installing it on the internal drive.
I would LOVE to see that. That would be exciting! Personally, I like running Asahi Linux on my M1 Mac Mini. Most of my favourite Linux software runs nicely on it, so I look forward to hearing what you think about Linux on these Snapdragons.
P.S.: I also really enjoyed watching you on NASA Spaceflight commentating on IFT-4! That had to be a thrill! Aloha!
@@jimcabezola3051 No restrictions on Linux but I was unable to get it to boot on the HP. I have a Lenovo waiting for me at my PO box so will try it with that one next!
Microsoft: You can now generate AI images in your paint app.
Also Microsoft: You won’t be allowed to create your favourite porn scene.
Wow. They have to censor the result of the software you own running on your own computer. Who they think they are?
I bet here's what happened: Someone discovered they could use AI to generate child porn, hate speach, or fake information, and then management freaked out. That explains why they are so conservative with the prompts that they allow.
Man this is a super underwhelming set of features, the fact that it uploads everything anyway in some of these programs just makes Microsoft look worse.
I can't wait for this "AI" bubble to pop...
The real application of AI relies on private implementations by businesses and individuals.
Just a matter of time. It's just some buzzword that industry can try to use to justify an increasing stock price. To me, it's just a bunch of hooplah.
The paint rendering looks sexually suggestive 2:45
2:45 looks like the rocket from Austin Powers lol.
Microsoft: With Copilot+ PCs you will be able to use AI locally.
Also Microsoft: But only after we gave you the permission and asked us nicely over the internet.
"Wow, there seem to be way too many restrictions with Microsoft's AI. I wonder if Apple is going to do the same thing
"must get approval from the Gods"
What a privacy nightmare.
You need to run screaming out of the room if anything Microsoft or Apple is in the room. I say this as a former Windows programmer for over thirty years. These companies have become dangerous.
thank you for your Common Sense
Microsoft has a 30% increase in emissions because of these AI servers and I just don't see that the consumer-facing products are justifying that by any stretch. (I tried to say this in a couple comments earlier But they disappeared. A typical CZcams problem these days)
Funny they don't let you post your comment but this endless array of buttbots keeps posting nonsense!
Yup, this is typical YT deletes comments and shadowbans users 🙄
youtube comments have always been trash but it only gets worse over time. it has less features than a 90's bulletin board, is full of glitches, shadow bans, censoring, it weighs comments unfairly based on arbitrary bullshit and discussion died when chronological order was no longer the default, not to mention it can't, doesn't or maybe doesn't want to deal with bots, because they probably are profitable for google.
I'm sorry this is not your main point but youtube is getting so annoying with this stuff. It makes me want to comment less and less
@@ThatsPety agreed it's the only platform that censor your comments randomly without warning you, terrible
Lon renders something phallic 🤣🤣🤣
Hey now! :)
Major take away from this video is that Microsoft has the ability to look at everything I do on the computer anytime they want to and has anointed themselves God to determine exactly what is appropriate for me to be doing. On second thought, that sounds like some politicians these days who think they should decide who can view what on our own computers. Microsoft should review its own output from this feature as noted in many of the posts below!
They've been seeing what you've been doing the whole time. Apple does the same stuff.
The screenshots are stored locally on your computer.
Stored locally shared globally. Microsoft is spying. Saying they are checking the content for appropriateness is proof.
@@veryboringname. Yes, and Micro$oft will never data mine or disseminate that info to third-party advertisers who'd be willing to pay millions for access. They pinky swear...🙄. I'm just curious, do you think Microsoft was driven to develop said feature out of commitment to deliver innovation for it's customers?
@@BlueSparkzVideos I'm not sure you know what "stored locally" means.
Definitely interested in seeing if a non-Windows OS can be run on these. It would be nice to be able to run Linux on these.
I was enthusiastic about ARM and Snapdragon X Elite but the privacy concerns are real with this AI stuff. I also don't like Microsoft looking over my shoulder quite as much as they seem intent on doing. Serious Big Brother vibes.
With some hacking it should be possible to use a local Stable Diffusion model and a decent enough UI that does everything that Paint one can do, just more setup and clunkier
Lon!,Thanks for posting this video
The presentation is impressive. I'm thinking about buying this tool :) Thanks for the video
Don't care much about the AI nonsense but am interested to see how this 3rd ARM attempt actually compares to Intel/AMD. Please compare with similar size/price x86 laptops
long story short: for light weight use, it performs really well and has top of the line battery life. but once you start asking more of the system, it's actually less energy efficient than ryzen offerings, although still better than intel. gpu performance is super disappointing, getting absolutely murdered by amd offerings and even losing to intel.
Perhaps I'm a Luddite but I no idea why I want AI built into the operating system.
I think basic demo apps are what Microsoft is essentially showing off here. I can see how it could be useful to have a local A.I. hardware accelerator and an API in the OS to allow developers access to that hardware. Giving apps the ability to speed up OCR, voice recognition, video recognition, and other things might be useful.
Other than that, I agree. I'm having trouble imagining any user facing A.I. features that the OS itself could include.
Thank you for so informative and honest review. I think that a lot more people should put close attention to your video reviews as you bring content in a way that is extremely easy to understand and with a different perspective. 👍
But isn't anything from Microsoft disappointing lately? 🙂
Amazing review! For the price, I don't know, tho lol. Some features you always need internet connected? Dang.
As someone that likes to watch CZcams videos from Finnish vloggers that rarely include subtitles the live caption feature is the only one I would find useful but not for $20 a month.
They don’t charge for the copilot+ features
CZcams already does live translation as captions within CZcams. Copilot isn’t needed for this use case at all.
Ahahaha, the render is sexually something 🤣 But great review btw. thank you
Does it support directml or OpenCl? Or does it have any Cuda, rocm like library for gpu programming?
does the npu help with, say, rendering out a video? like if ya got kdenlive or some video editor...
I think I saw a demo where Da Vinci Resolve was doing some realtime AI assisted rendering. For render-outs I think the built in media encoder would be utilized so it should be on par with Intel/AMD.
Thanks, Lon, for making that clear.
Like others, I am totally unwhelmed by so-called AI.
The image creator features requiring an internet connection is the one thing I wanted. I just wanted a completely offline, completely unrestricted version of Microsoft's implementation of DALLE-3, and now that I know that these computers don't have anything close to that, I have zero reason to buy one of these computers.
Still rocking my M1 MacBook Air from 2020 and I'm perfectly satisfied. It's impressive how Microsoft manages to mess it up each and every time.
Apple really got it right on the first shot. My wife is using my 2020 M1 and I also got one for producer Jake who loves his too. My M2 Air edited tonight's video! It's amazing.
I have both systems but always hated the Mac didn't have Snap to grid feature. Finally on the next update. Still prefef Windows for business
This is just the start. Probably slowly build up the features over the next couple decades.
Translation is fantastic
Photo editing AI is excellent
More to come from applications!
Great review, and could not have described Microsoft's privacy stance better than the comment at 5:04 - "...to make sure you're using _their_ software the way _they_ want you to use it..." - they really know how to take the "personal" out of personal computer :) I did get my "50 credits" in paint, and the AI image generation feature was cool but reminiscent of the attempted monetization of cell phone ringtones circa 2003 in that probably not a lot of people will pay for this in the long term...
I got to hand it to you Lon, even with a prominent affiliate link, you still give an honest and balanced review.
Do the photo editor prompts work better if you get a lot more specific by saying things like, on the space shuttle photo: "replace the sky with a night time sky filled with stars" or with other photos things like "change the grass to gravel" or "make the car red" or "change the suit color to blue", etc.?
In other words, does it do object recognition and allow the specific objects to be changed without everything else.
The largest impact is the steady uptick of linux.
Microsoft's restrictions on how AI can be used on personal computers are a major deterrent and significantly dampen enthusiasm for the technology.
and they expect people to be happy to pay for being censored ?
So the Meh.. is for Microsoft, not the laptop..
Eventually people will realize AI is cool but really not useful
it is ridiculous that they think its fine to monitor and control what people do on these laptops with software they own.
total privacy nightmare and a dealbreaker for me
The Korean translation looked more like gibberish to me. Do you know how accurate it really was?
6:08 deep nasolabial folds, OMG
Did you set your resolution wrong or what is happening? The black areas on top and bottom are HUGE, 5-6 year olds laptos have smaller bezzels.
Screen mirroring at 1080p so the full screen was at a 16:9 aspect ratio
That thing did not make your eyes look like they were looking at the camera. But it did make them look crazy. So there’s always that as a special effect lol.
I 100% agree with you. I am only interested in the battery time and performance of these machines, and not at all on their AI stuff. In fact I intend to use them with Linux (when the support for Linux lands) to escape the AI stuff doing their things behind my back.
I’ve yet to see anything that AI hasn’t made worse. Have you tried the search feature within an item’s listing on Amazon recently? They cobbled AI into their search feature, and now searches return nothing but nonsense.
Lon had a wholesome image, MS however, took it in a different direction!
Is the AI embedded into the software or hardware also?
OMG… that’s what is behind the hype with Copilot plus??? 😂
We’ve had realtime subtitles before, right? What is Copilot Plus about this? The paywall? Also the eye correction has been in Nvidia for a few years now. Also blur background is in Zoom.
Really odd that Microsoft is trying to brand all this stuff.
I want to see how well android will run on this arm chip.
Forget the AI rubbish. They should be quick, with crazy long battery life. That’s what I want to see out of these Snapdragon laptops…. (Besides a Linux disto.)
Please check, whether eGPU works
The idea that I have to send my prompts to Microsoft so they can tell me they are ok and that I can’t even edit my own pictures of myself is just baffling to me. I understand their concern but it is my damn pc and if I can’t even use something I bought the way I want to without having daddy Microsoft give it the thumbs up I see no point.
Love ya; but you can keep that coPilot and Recall feature. I'm good i stick to MacOs
Make your own and private AI machine using the source data that you think are not BS. In AI it is Garbage In - Garbage Out.
Watching you to make sure you are using their software the way they want you to . Spyware // Control . No ? 👀
Just played with one at Costco. I agree the AI features were meh. But I see the potential.
Agree - I'm eager to start testing the performance to see how these do vs. the last round of Windows ARM PCs :).
Windows on ARM is just Windows RT all over again
Hell, even the bootloader of those AI laptop is locked just like the Surface RT
probably best for people who know how to use ai. not just for generating cat images.
Does the ai image render work offline? I asked too soon, you answered this in your video. Thanks.
Editorializing...oh ffs. No way!
Negative - any prompt requires an internet connection.
@@LonSeidmanwow that is worse than recall, your images get sent to Microsoft so you can use your own npu. Haha that is insane! Some serious big brother stuff.
They could have the npu do some local checking of the image. They are totally stealing data from customer no doubt about it.
I don't think they're looking at the images just the prompt. But I'm sure some part of the EULA gives them the ability to take the images if they want.
Holy bezels batman. Woof.
Bezels were due to me mirroring the screen at 16:9
The model cant create anything that isn't in the training data.
Why is it really phoning home to Microsoft?
2:48 dude
I knew this would suck. No way local AI is going to deliver what people have come to expect from cloud AI. Its not gonna happen for a good while.
Its a gimmick to sell computers.
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MEH. That's my assessment of the Snapdragon CPUs and all of the Copilot+ PCs.
Imo cpu's are looking pretty darn solid. The AI hype overall is just meh to me.
@@jothain If you're looking for a laptop to browse the web, watch videos, or perform typical office productivity tasks, then these Copilot+ PCs are a decent choice. However, be aware that some applications will not function properly, and others will not run at all on an ARM processor. Also, gaming is not a viable option (though this isn't a concern for a lot of us).
The worst part about these new laptops is that the AI features are effectively spyware. The only way to use these laptops while running Windows without being spied upon is to never have them connected to the Internet, and that defeats the purpose of owning one.
The best OS for these Copilot+ PCs is Linux.
…for now.
Working on a transition to Linux over here.
Nor bad
Why wouldn't you choose this over an Intel laptop? I owned a Surface Pro 9 with incredible battery life, and the latest model is even better. The OLED display is outstanding, and once they address the Recall feature, it will perfectly suit my needs.
Intel coming out with their rival in September, which will have similar battery life and obviously not have issues with compatibility. They will also be CoPilot+ and probably have OLED and be priced similarly. I would wait if possible, as X Elite prices will likely fall once AMD, Intel and the M4 arrive, all due by Q4.
Standby and even better battery life are few things
You gotta test these AI features when not connected to the internet, just to make sure, ya know? It made your rocket look like several butt plugs lol.
It kinda annoys me that now everything tries to come with some kind of AI in a package, especially that it often sucks badly or that I simply don't want it. Whatever app of service I try or the ones I already use now keep pushing it, as if saying forget about your own idea/creativity we do it for you or let me advise you because of course what you created can easily be improved. Because now is the new era of AI and get used to it! lol
I've deleted and Cancelled Microsoft 365 Office subscription and Adobe is next. Horrible privacy invasion. No way Jose!
Yeah no thanks, I'm glad I made the switch to Linux years ago!!
Wtf are those bezels!!
Screen mirroring at 1080p the bezels don’t normally look like thay
Be a cool feature ... 6:19 ... If they could dewrinkle the face, or remove any white from the hair, or something like that. Maybe even, fancify the clothing, or make you look like Steampunk.
But, otherwise, these features aren't really that impressive, so far. For me, I am in the field, and I am not impressed (at all) with AI. It is just a lot of gimmickry stuff right now.
I'm sure microsoft didn;t like the request you were making... Seriosuly just goes to prove you can only use your computer in the way Microsoft allows you to use it.
AI in its current state is underwhelming and annoying to use with all its guard rails and big brother implications
I love to use Linux but learning the commands might be too hard
Don't want recall or co-pilot.
Depend some distro are very made so people don't have to deal with commands 99% of the time, but you don't have to worry on recall or co-pilot for abit until Microsoft roll it out to everyone with out a NPU. So you got alot of time to make up your mind what to do.
There are many Linux channels devoted to this kind of thing. Switch to Linux and the Linux experiment are two particular ones that you may wish to check out.
Learning Linux got way easier since you can bug ChatGPT if you have any questions, it's usually super accurate since Linux is old and people have been talking about it online for a long time
Those bezels look abysmal and the AI just just pure gimmick.
Bezels were due to screen mirroring at a different aspect ratio
This NPU features are usseles and overpriced for now. Not worth a buy. Maybe regular consumer should wait a while, maybe a year or two when NPU become useful, for example, when NPU will be able to increase your computer performance, or when it will be useful in gaming, serious video and photo editing, automating many processes during standard usage of a computer. I do not see for now why I would buy such a device when for the price I can buy a seriously powerful computer with strong cpu and gpu with enough vram to do this stuff on much higher level... Anyone who use a computer for serious bussines or gaming will not care about power consumption so much because it will be using his rig plugged in, not on battery alone.
If that on the fly translation feature works well, it's selling point for many people.
lmaoooo
4:47 that right there is why i'm on linux. fuck that, who are they to judge what i do? do they think they're gods? kings? eff off!
ms paint... really.
Indeed Lon, the stupid influencers suck all, money zombies
well that was underwhelming
These ARM notebooks are so going to flop... again
For me, I am so unimpressed with CoPilot and all that AI stuff. It's not really that impressive at all. It's a waste of time, and just some buzzword that Microsoft is pushing to raise stock price.
These were all genuinely awful. I can’t believe Microsoft is making such a big marketing push for this garbage.
cope pilot
AI, brought to you by Big Brother. If this is all Microsoft has to launch for next gen computing, they will have the next Windows 8 debacle to crawl out of. The fact that AI prompts require vetting by Microsoft servers before it can process them is intrusive and out of touch. These features will get used as much as the old 3D tools they had for years that they removed because nobody used them.
Tbh it's very good that people can't try to do malicious stuff out of box.
@@jothain Perhaps, however it really depends on what Microsoft considers malicious or not. It doesn't have to be evil to get blocked if we happen to use a keyword or phrase it does not like. For example, I was using a Microsoft image generator recently and used the word, "exploding" in the generator's request and that launched a threatening response that I would be banned from using it for violent content. Nothing I entered was violent, however the system flagged me over something so simple.
AI 1984 style. Hate it. Msft blows.
I like you Lon, but 2 thumbs down on Copilot anywhere and especially a PC. "must get approval for what you create" JUST THINK ABOUT THAT!? FREEDOM PEOPLE!
Lol what a steaming pile of shit these copilot features. I'd turn these off on my PC, so Microsoft isn't spying on what I do and just use the NPU to host my own LLM.
Seems like Microsoft made the mistake of collaborating with some nanny organization that wants everything nerfed. We really shouldn't give those organizations the time of day. They're the ones who have had varying degrees of success in convincing companies and governments that they should eavesdrop on everyone's communication in order to "protect the children." I don't know about you, but I don't want machines or people examining all my private communications. It's ridiculous. Microsoft should tell these people to take a hike and let people use their software without a nanny looking over them.
HP - meh. Dell all the way
Whenever CZcamsrs mention the Recall feature, they leave out the fact it's opt-in - it is OFF by default.
Initially it was on by default and opt-out, not opt-in. That changed after the backlash.
And they can and had done in the past changed from opt in off by default to opt in on by default
“CZcamsrs left out the fact that Microsoft scrambled to temporarily tweak their nightmare fuel 1984 tech to help insure they don’t totally nuke their own hardware launch. They will change it back to opt out without telling anyone, or turn it on without telling anyone or constantly nah you to turn it on, or tell you your computer will perform better if you turn it on… in a future update… like they have done with all their other invasive first party malware in the past, no matter how many times they get caught or people complain.”
Fixed it for you.
Wow this is junk 🚮
Linux would work better
What an ugly laptop, thick bezels like it is still from the 90's