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1Zpresso K Ultra vs Comandante C40. | Which one to choose?
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The number one reason to get a K-Ultra over the C40 is the fact that you can grind 18g for espresso in 30 seconds. When I tried a commandant it you probably close to 2 minutes
Agree, Comandante, especially for espresso, is simply too slow.
Two minutes? Maybe have your husband grind it for you next time?
@@bluemystic7501 Maybe take your misogynistic comment back to the 1950s? 🤡
I recently watched a video on Tetsu Kasuya's channel where he compares many hand grinders and he says his favourite still is the C40, for it's balance of clarity and body... now, I love me some confirmation bias (I own a C40) but I was thinking "Come on, is it really still one of the best? I dunno..." Well, seems like it is for you too 🤣
PS: I hope people at Comandante never change that box actually. Considering how heavy it is that extra protection is very welcome 😂
It is good to know I am not the only one. Tbh I really wanted to hate C40 because I don’t like the process of grinding on it, but in each test, and I have done many, it is always near or on top.
I own Kmax and comandante. Often heard that Kmax and k-ultra are extremely similar so decided to comend. I only tried pour over and often I felt like 1zpresso can give me easier to identify notes, gives more clarity, but is often less sweet. Comandante I felt like gives you wider range of flavours with more sweetnes, but it tends to go more on bitter side. I also couldn't decide on Kmax vs comandante, but I got zp6 now and situation became clear. I am probably going to sell Kmax and stay with c40 and zp6. I really recommend you to give zp6 a chance. On aeropress eliminations I managed to push acides into sweetness and got 2nd place using it.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I agree with everything but bitterness. I usually got more bitter cups from KMax than K Ultra, and almost no excessive bitterness from C40.
Every year in autumn 1Zpresso releases new grinders (or new versions of old ones) so maybe I should wait until then with buying ZP6? Or maybe Pietro grinder instead?
@user-sn5px8yw4t It is tempting but so bloody expensive. And very heavy, if you want to travel with it.
@@mycoffeeshow111 yeah pietro is extra interesting, but it is even hard to use it in hands, You should invest in special stand preferably
@@svistaq2907 extra stand- extra spending 😒.
@@mycoffeeshow111 nobody told it is cheap hobby ;p
I have the Comandante C40 Mk3 and the 1Zpresso K-max that I use for my pour-overs. I agree 100% with this reviewer. I prefer the Comandante for laste but, for only a TINY bit less interesting taste experience II get a MUCH better user experience with the K-max. I tend to use the K-max more just because the Comandante is such a PIA .
Thank you for your comments! I hope Comandante will improve few things in the future and becomes more user friendly.
Thanks for you comparison. I own a K max currently, still considering if I should get a comandante
@@CoffeeXmusic thx for watching. Comandante is good but if you already have K Max you can as well stick with it. In the next two weeks I should have video comparing C40 with new C60 version.
You’re content is fabulous Jack. Great work. I’m loving the editing lately too, sharp presentation.
Thank you very much. I spend on avarage 10h just on editing itself. Nice that someone noticed that 😁
Great review! I own both C40 and K Ultra, and they are very close in comparison! Personally, I prefer the clarity, faster espresso grinding, and outside dial settings of the K Ultra, which gives it a slight edge over the C40. It's all a matter of preference! Both are flagship grinders that will make you a great a cup of coffee.
Thank you for your kind words. I do agree- both great in terms of taste. 1Zpresso is easier to use and so I often prefer it over C40. Still not sure which one to take for my holidays in the next few weeks.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Dear if i only using it for pour over. should i get k ultra or c40? i grind 13g of beans 3 times each day.
@@user-vo1yt1wr8p both great, C40 can possibly be slightly better in terms of taste of pour overs.
@@user-vo1yt1wr8p both great, C40 can possibly be slightly better in terms of taste of pour overs.
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank you. Appreciate your help
Hi Jack! Great comparison and tough choice to make. I have the C40 Mk3 that I use for Aeropress/pour overs and the J-Max for espresso. I still chose the J-Max for espresso where high amounts of torque is needed for those lighter roast beans. I have DF83 v2 on order, but I will still keep the J-Max for portability. C40 Mk3 with Red Clix is great, but I have been spoiled with the grind size display of 1zpresso.
Thank you for watching. I still remember how satisfying espresso from J Max could be but it was too hard for my elbows to use it in the real life outside my videos. Both K Ultra and C40 are relatively easy to use, but Comandante takes forever.
C40 vs Zp6 on pour over:
C40 will have more complexity, a bit more body, and a bit more caramel/chocolatey sweetness. Zp6 will have higher fruit sweetness, higher clarity, more florality, you can get similar intensity but it won't have the same thickness in mouthfeel as C40. My favourite analogy is Zp6 is like neutral sounding speakers, C40 has the bass and treble turned up a bit more. The better the coffee inherently, the further Zp6 will pull away from C40. Zp6 is at matching grind size will brew faster than C40. You have to grind finer enough that Zp6 brew is longer in brew time than C40 to get similar intensity of flavor.
Zp6 at its finest grind setting can barely pull a 6.9/7 bar, 1:2 shot. It can probably do turbo shots but otherwise it really is not for espresso. It definitely grinds faster than C40 though.
I would say Zp6 is better but maybe 10% difference. Most people would not be able to tell them apart if not side by side.
In another note, I still highly recommend the Timemore 078 for pour overs. It is the first electric grinder I have tested that I find to be consistently better than Zp6. The only grinder I have tried that is more expensive is the DF83 with SSP HU burrs but that isn't ideal for pour over.
Thank you very much for all the information. Seems like ZP6 will be closer to flavours for K Ultra then.
Personally I don’t do that many pour overs to justify a separate electric grinder for it but maybe I should.
@@mycoffeeshow111 ah in that case I cannot justify the 078 over the Zp6. For me personally I could only justify the 078 as I was planning on using it in a cafe setting for pour overs and for bulk cupping
@@m.andre824 so you are a pro barista? Wow. Which grinder you use for espresso?
@@mycoffeeshow111 HAHA I do not think the cafe will push through sadly, maybe if I am fortunate to find a different partner. I was planning on using the DF83 with HU at the beginning then move to a more commercial grinder that would not overheat and keep the DF83 for single origin/experimental espresso shots
@@m.andre824 yeah, I love DF83 for home use but would not recommend it for cafe. It tends to get hot, even after 5 minutes of grinding for my tests.
Good luck with your project!
Having used a C40 the last year and purchasing a ZP6 a month ago, I still very much like the C40. I wouldn’t say it’s better than the ZP6, but the difference between them is not huge, it’s just that the ZP6 with lower fines presenta coffee in a slightly different way.
The C40 is still a great taste profile, no matter what new grinders are released, it will always keep producing great cups. You might prefer the grind profile of a newer grinder, but I wouldn’t FOMO on another hand grinder, be that even the Pietro or ZP6.
That being said, I prefer the ZP6 profile for filter coffee. But the C40 is also great.
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. So no more hand grinders for me? I should be happy with what I have? You sound just like my wife 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 if you think you can have fun with more handgrinders, go for it! Especially because it is good content for the channel. But, as your experience also shows, C40 is great and if you just want to have an improvement on your coffee, buying the new best handgrinder is diminishing returns:)
@@benedekvali1398 I agree with what you said. My resources are very limited but we will see. Maybe I get something new to play with. I still have C3 and Normcore V2. Have to sell something first. C40 videos always gets views so maybe I keep it for now.
I have been getting slightly different results.
Commandante tastes better for the espresso.
K Ultra better for pour over.
But Pietro is the most interesting for pour over, but it takes 70-90 seconds for me to grind.
Thx for the info. Interesting results. As I said, both are very good grinders and possibly with different coffee the results would be slightly different- taste test is very subjective.
hahaha been waiting for this review, like forever.
I recorded it some time ago but was too busy to do the editing.
I’m not sure which one to choose. I don’t make espresso, only pourover. but I like the characteristics of espresso grinders that enhance sweetness and body.
So
I’m really in doubt: J-ultra, K-ultra or ZP6.
Haven’t tried ZP6 but that could be a great choice for pour overs but not sure about the body . I think C40 would be the best for you.
I got myself an K-ultra for about 130 pounds brand new because I know people from Taiwan, and the clarity is through the moon compared to my old timemore c2, still need a bit of use to know what is the best setting for my v60 cups
That is an amazing price you paid. I paid £240 , not sure if it is worth that much but definitely one of my favourite hand grinders.
Do you have any insight knowledge about what is coming out next from 1Zpresso?
I was trying to convince myself for selling my 5 years old Comandante and buy a K ultra for pour over. Only wanted this for faster grinding. But if I will sacrifice from the taste, then I will keep my Comandante. Also it’s said that the burr durability is better for long term in cmd.
If you are after juicy fruity and sour notes K Ultra would be for you. For overall pleasantness C40 is still very good. I will be comparing K Ultra with my C60 soon
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Please do a comparision between comandante/K ultra to SSP MP burrs for pour over. I never get sweetness from MP burrs on pour over. If I go finer, bitterness starts but still lack of sweetness.
@@ufukgulecoglu2254 from memory, I wouldn’t say MP burrs are good for sweetness. Clear sharper notes, that is what I associate them with. Haven’t used them for a while though so maybe have to revisit.
Have you ever experimented with a longer bloom time? I don’t mind sourness to much but significant other cannot stand it and I’ve noticed if I 2 minute bloom there pour over they absolutely love the depth it brings. Worth trying if you’ve never done it. Great video and 2 amazing grinders.
Thx for watching! I did indeed. If you watched some of my older videos, I usually went for 2 min bloom but later discovered that 5 pours recipe (stolen from one of the viewers) and it works better for me. It often gives me more vibrant cup.
Loving your content, I've bought recently a K-Ultra and I cannot describe how happy I am that you post such quality content with the K-Ultra grinder.
Keep up the good work!
Cannot wait to see other vids!
Thank you very much for watching!
After read this comment and watching the video, i order K Ultra right now
@@TheArgetho congratulations. You will love it. Let me know your thoughts when you get it.
Jack, do you use the same recipe for both? If so, I think a good test is to dial the best recipe for each grinder separately and then compare that. From my experience, tbere is no best or better grinder. It how you use it and what you like. No grinder is perfect with every coffee, roast or recipe. With that said, thanks for the fun videos!
Thank you for watching. You have a good point. I could spend hours dialling each of them to perfection but I simply don’t have enough time. Sometimes, when I feel that something is not right, I repeat the test but this one was as fair as possible with my limited resources.
@@mycoffeeshow111completely understand and I really mostly wanted to make a point that us geeks can enjoy these reviews and not get too worked up about which is best or always looking for the next great grinder. Focusing on what we have to perfect it can yield great results. Try different recipes before buying new grinder.
@@jimdaikh9381 you are absolutely right but I probably would have even less views if I only use 1 grinder all the time. I remember, at the beginning, I only had Timemore C2 and was really happy.
@@mycoffeeshow111 please get more grinders 😀 I usually don't comment on videos but I commented to help you get more views since you do a great job!
@@jimdaikh9381 Thx. My resources are limited but I will do what I can. We should have Timemore 064s soon
Thnx for great video! Do you ever tried the X-Ultra? I ordered one, but still have some doubts about my choice for mostly pour overs.
@@doc.davydov thx for watching. Do you mean Mazzer Omega X? I had it in my hands but never tried coffee out of it.
@@mycoffeeshow111 thx for answering! No, I mean 1z X-ultra. The model after x-pro
@@doc.davydov there are so many new grindes that it is difficult to keep up with them. I know that K Ultra is very good. Please let me know what you think about your X grinder once you play with it.
@@mycoffeeshow111 of course, I will get it in a month 😊
Nice video my friend
I would like to see from you a review/comparison test of my kingrinder K4
It's very cheap, high quality, certified for drill use, and very fast, takes about 25-30" for espresso grind
Thank you! Not sure about K 4 but I am thinking about a cheaper hand grinder for my tests 😊
@@mycoffeeshow111my comment disappeared, don't know why
I was saying, you can try K3 also, same grinder, same burrs, but internal adjustment, for less than 99 euros
My K4 bought it for 115 euros
@@wakeawaken430 thx. Sometimes YT plays with the comments.
I have an eye for something, but won’t tell you what it is yet 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 Looking forward my friend 👍
I don't care about a one-shot taste test. I don't believe I--or almost anyone--can really tell the difference between coffee ground with one good quality burr grinder vs. another. The taste comes from the coffee beans, not the grinder. What I care about is build quality, ergonomics, how fast and efficient the grinder is, how easy it is to change grinf settings, and how easy it is to clean the thing. If it takes me 45-60 seconds to grind the coffee with a hand grinder, I'll use it. If it's going to take around two minutes, I'll probably go back to using an electric motorized machine. The 1Zpresso seems to have the Comandanted beaten on the factors where I can see a difference.
I agree that we can’t judge a grinder just on one shot. Even 10 would not be enough and I am not sure if I would survive that many in one go. Often what I say at the end is based not just on 1 test but on my overall experience using this equipment.
Yes, K Ultra is much easier to use on a daily basis. Recently I got C60 and will compare it with Ultra soon.
I do believe that different grinders can present flavour notes from the same coffee in a different way. I experience it every day.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thanks. I just got the K Ultra. I've used it about 5 times and it works very well. If I were making coffee for parties or groups of people, I'd probably want to use a motorized grinder, but for one or two people, once or twice a day, this hand grinder is as good and is faster--if you count the time you have to spend cleaning an electric grinder and cleaning around it.
K-ultra has a different burr set than K plus and other previous K grinders I believe? Kinda confusing of them! Have you compared the K plus or pro to K Ultra ?
Tbh not sure if the burrs are different , but there is 100 steps on it vs 90 on Max therefore there is that 2 microns difference between each step. On K Max I usually went around 3 for espresso and K Ultra is usually around 2.3. Also different handle so possibly different RPM but just speculating here.
What about J Max vs K ultra for espresso, which is better?
I had J Max some time ago and the shots were really tasty and it was very fast. The downside was that it was very hard to actually grind on it. So much so that I haven’t used it much.
M still confused which one to choose currently m using kingrinder k2 and thinking to upgrade in two options
1) keeping kingrinder and buy c40 mk4 only for pour overs and will use kingrinder for espresso (18um per click settings )
2) will sale kingrinder and will buy all in one 1zpresso K ultra for both pour overs and espresso/cappuccino
Kindly guide me as m getting both C40 and K ultra at same price
Sure. I would go for K Ultra for both espresso and pour overs. Usability, taste and overall experience with it is great. If you are looking for cheaper alternative you can consider K6. I have a video comparing both. czcams.com/video/zgOmc5ZpvGE/video.htmlsi=2cwjKYGWiCxXUkGW
It's no surprise that these grinders were close. 1zpresso stole Comandante's burr design.
You could be onto something here
Oh btw, I think you can sell your C40 without remorse... so you can buy the Baracuda C60 when it comes out and review it! 🤣
I carefully track news about v60 and I really wonder why comandante don't want to fix some problems c40 has... Btw c60 will probably weight a ton.
@@svistaq2907 C60 is 1Kg with the glass cup (!!!) but it's all steel inside... I have a feeling they won't update C40 anymore because they will keep both C40 and C60 in the lineup, that's also why I'm afraid the C60 will cost more than the C40 costs now.
@@mr.ricochet8603 considering that c60 insights is solid cnc cutted stainless it won't be cheap for sure. And I believe it will exceed 1kg mark, but we will see. Well maybe they will update c40 in future but I really hoped there might be outer size regulation or at least click counting system...
@@mr.ricochet8603 I contacted Comandante long time ago asking for C60 for my channel. They said they only produced over 20 of them and they were already distributed between important people.
@@svistaq2907 do you think I should invest in Pietro hand grinder instead? Not sure if it’s good for travel, weighing 1.5kg
Good video
Thx for watching!
Can you please compare these with kingrinder k6/k4?
Maybe I will. Never tried any kingrinders b4.
@@mycoffeeshow111 By the looks, IMO kingrinder seems to be poor man's 1zpresso grinder
@@pravinlnrk that is what I heard as well.
I have a c40 and I prefer the timemore. Comandante is overpriced and lives off it's name. I bought the MK4 at MICE2023 and the timemore last year. Made over 50 brews and the acidity is better from the timemore I'll get the ultra when i have the money.
I've gone through two packs or kalita papers and a pack of April papers testing them since September 2023 😅
I have done C40 vs Timemore some time ago. You are right, if acidity is your priority Timemore will be better. C40 usually brings up more sweetness and complexity. Ultra should be perfect for you.
Talking about overpriced grinders, I recently got Comandante C60 and will be testing it next month. Should be interesting
@mycoffeeshow111 don't you think great acidity is what people remember? A proper lip smacking crispy citrus Kenyan or Ethiopian. I love that citrus floral sugar crispness.
@@TheHandThatBites yes, I love acidic coffees. I also like complexity in flavours.
@@mycoffeeshow111 drinking washed Jigesa now off the April brewer. Very nice.
If only I liked hand grinders 😅
We need to convert you 😛
1zpresso j ultra better
I had J Max and for espresso it was really good but it was a proper workout to use it, even though it grinds fast.
215 pounds? Wow a c40 in US is like $325.
Right now in Poland you can get it for around $220.
Hahaha… finally this comparison video after I got the comandante with red clix. And this further reinforces my belief in my decision. 🥹
So cool. Loved it 🐝
Thx for watching. You should be happy with your grinder. How are your forearms and elbows holding?
I recorded it few weeks ago but simply didn’t have time to do the editing b4 today.
I am almost a Popeye now. 😂
But I love the grind personally 😅
@@SANJAYNEO once I become YT millionaire, I’ll hire you as my personal hand grinder operator 😛