REDRAFTING THE LAST 8 NHL TOP 5 PICKS | BarDown Podcast
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2023
- Corwin, Jesse are joined by special guests Poc and Julia to discuss some of the most recent NHL drafts, how they have shaped the landscape of the current NHL and how each draft could have changed with hindsight.
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The fact that Dallas got Robertson, Heiskanen, and Oettinger in the same draft is insane
might be the best draft class for one team ever
True. Let's see if they can win a cup with them.
@@obscurereference6298up there with 1989 red wings draft class
Thomas Harley, Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven, and Mavrik Bourque are all looking like steals too. Excellent drafting by Jim Nill over the last several years.
no arguments here @@mchaseross13
Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes was absolutely insane by Julia lol
Putting him over either of Hughes or Dahlin is insane to me.
I'm so tired of how overrated B Tkachuk is. He's a very good player but some people think he's so much better than he is I don't get it
as a sens fan hes actually really good for the type of player he is
@@olivierpeartnoy
Brady is a better hockey player, better for the team than any other player on that list. Easily the most important to a team. It’s a Torontonian answer to want Quinn over Brady, so I understand where that thought comes from. But yeah Quinn is having a great start to the season. Re-draft, Brady is the answer.
@@trevgordon487 See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Tkachuk is a great player but picking him over Hughes or Dahlin is mind-boggling to me
I just think Jesper Bratt at least should have been mentioned for the 2016 redraft, my man was originally chosen as the 162nd pick and is definately one in the top 10 of that draft
That’s what I was sayin. Can not believe he didn’t get the riser nod
He should have been the top riser for sure, I was going to ask why he wasn't mentioned
Ikr, rn he’s a first round player
Why was Quinn Hughes being one such a debate? Dude is clearly the best in his class.
They are a toronto media company, they rarely watch anything out west
Dahlin is on pace for:
16-51-67 Points, 156 Hits, 160 Blocks.
@@LETZGONHLdraftyeah but his team might not make the playoffs so until they’re clearly in or it’s at the end of the season and people are taking a look at his stats he won’t get enough votes
@@LETZGONHLdraft
Quinn Hughes is on pace for:
30-93-123 Points
I won't even mention the others.
These guys originally had the Canucks pick Keller over Fox. They just didn't put much thought into the Canucks
julia: (proceeds to list every single qualifier to be a franchise cornerstone when describing quinn hughes)
also julia: "i just think tkachuk is that guy you build a team around cuz he just feeeels like a captain"
Sorry you can’t admit she’s right
@@Mediumreginald Hughes is the leading hart and Norris trophy candidate rn and tkachuk hasn't even passed 90 points and isn't even the best player on his own team
sorry that you're delusional
@Tedmetal666 facts and emotions can all be right lol😅
I kinda agree with her tbh. If you’re building a Stanley cup caliber team, Brady makes a lot of sense
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa369 bro the senators have never made the playoffs with brady, at least quinn has had a run
In Quinn Hughes first two years he was already breaking records on a bad team, and he continues to make new ones VS Powers, hard to image he'll be better than Hughes in his peek
The chaos without DZ there to herd these cats is PALPABLE
What a surprise, no Jake Ottinger for the 2017 draft for Corwin lmao
When even 5-8 years later we can't get a real consensus on those top 5 lists from passionate fans, imagine how hard it is to rank them when they are 18 years old. Drafts are something else but that's why I'm enjoying them so much.
Good job on the consistency folks! I'm proud of you guys.
Also, Corwin: "What is a defenseman but a Goalie with a different stick?"
2016 biggest riser HAS TO BE Jesper Bratt
He went in the 6th rd!!!
As a Canucks fan 2016 draft was rough, I would’ve loved McAvoy on the team. 2017 & 2018 draft though, we struck gold. The Quinn Hughes disrespect is kind of crazy, but it’s your redraft so I’m not going to judge.
17:43 The discussion between Julia and Jesse about Tkachuk vs Hughes was amazing.
How someone can take Brady over Quinn and Dahlin is just crazy
@@Cedisdeadi'd even argue svech over brady lol
Good defensemen are way more important now than ever especially with the speed and skill of todays game.... they are like point guards on basketball teams. They drive every play and put up the most minutes on each team. Teams can have amazing forwards and still lose games. It's hard to beat teams with amazing defensemen.
Robertson ahead of Heiskanen is crazy. Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes is insanity! Wouldn't have Brady in my top 3
THIS
McTavish getting disrespected here hes so good shouldve stayed 3rd to Anaheim at least imo
Nah bro what are you talking about? Obviously a goalie who's never played a game in the show is a much better pick.
damn, big diss to hischier. Hes a cornerstone. two way complete player.
Was really hoping to see Axel Sandin-Pellikka as a riser in that final draft class. Dude is on pace for an all time great SHL season for a Dman, but I cant blame them for not having eyes on that league.
him and perreult were def my picks for riser
That entire 2016 top 5 re-draft is American - unreal class
Hello these people are just pod caster not real nhl experts.
The Wild have been really good at drafting which is great news since we haven't won a game in three weeks
The Wild would be better at Drafting if our former coach had actually used our top draft picks actively. Best players this year so far have been young players with the exception of Kap and Boldy.
Raymond has started the season a bit slow while Larkin and Cat were lighting it up, but ever since Cat cooled off, he's been the main offensive weapon for the team along with Larkin. Last year he had his sophomore slump but honestly I think this year he'll have a 65+ point season and he's not even playing PP1 most of the time.
What about Jake Oettinger for 2017?? I think he’s more impactful than Hischier at that #5 spot. That would also be cool cause then it’s three stars players that would crack the top 5 and imagine if it happened; the Canucks would have Demko and Oettinger 👀 nasty
Swayman and Oettinger not at least being mentioned is criminal. No goalie love
Jessy talking down on slaf ,bet you are eating your socks now seeing him explode offensively lol
so disappointed in you corwin. no team should be disappointed in getting Nico. Selke nominee last year, captain, reliable, the best guy all around.
Right! Elite 2 way player who can get 80 points a season (I think more)
How are you going to be disappointed
Kaiden Guhle is severely underrated.
He needs pp time
Which shouldn't be hard to do. Just take anderson out of pp1.
Just do 3 forward and 2 d.
2017, Jake Oettinger isn’t even an honourable mention 👀
It's scary as a penguins fan realizing we haven't gotten many early draft selections and we are gonna be rebuilding in the coming years
It's not that scary. It's fun when you start hitting on new players and they start developing chemistry.
Penguins should have tanked for a year just to get a top prospect. Gonna need a Blackhawks level tank after syd goes
why tf is it scary? there's like 8 teams with cups the last 20 years and you have 3.
I think the 3 cups and watching Crosby, Malkin, and letang on your favorite team should hold you over for a while
Maybe Hughes has Captain Serious vibes on the team, as a Canucks fan I understand why he's captain and its good Petty didn't get the C given his contract holdout. JT is a bit too emotional for the C as well so really only Hughes is left.
morons: Brady is a good captain because he's emotional
also morons: JT cant be a captain because he's too emotional
.... morons
Toronto media talking about the Habs is so mind boggling, it's hard to watch
As we go into December, you guys should do a pod on a preview of this years WJC. Look at some of the teams or standout players you expect to make it, bubble players, etc.
I enjoyed Poc being here hahaha. Great interactions with Jesse
I love the passion and trust Jesse puts in Owen Power, hope it turns out great for him
love corwin but couldn’t be more wrong on the scorers>#1 defensemen take, anyone can score goals not everyone can be that defensemen that controls the blue line and the d zone
20:56 Durzi was in the Muzzin trade. Trevor Moore was the return for Campbell.
So excited for you guys to come to Windsor !!!!!
Always ready for a new podcast episode
I know this is from a month ago but man with how Nemec has fit into the injury ridden Devils I am so happy we picked him
Corwin you are a casual for picking Raymond at 5. I hope you read this
For real, Raymond is more capable all around player every day and is scoring more right now too.
It’s insane how stacked some of the more recent drafts have been
another great episode!
Forget JUST this year. Hughes was first overall as of last year, you east coasters just havent seen it till now. Hes RIDICULOUS.
I don't even think Ottawa fans would pick Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes....
Where does Jesper Bratt get drafted in that 2016 redraft?
Good player. Not better than Matthews, Tkachuk, Fox, Mcavoy, Thompson
Like this, I think yall should do it for 08-2015.
Robertson over Heiskenan is crazy talk
23:57 LOL Corwin's reaction
Jesse has to re do the 2021 draft. In what world does mason Mctavish drop with the year he’s having
You guys are underrating nico hieshier he is one of those players that might not look amazing on stat sheets but when you see him live he blows you away
Moore was the Clifford/Campbell move. We got Durzi in the move for Muzzin.
I’d be interested to see what Robert Thomas’ status would be if he played for a less mid team. The guy is definitely one of the best passers in the league.
Keller to van is such a solid call ❤🎉 8:07
corwin trying to leave out Raymond, a calder finalist, is absolutely crazy
As yes, the greatest achievement a player can earn, Calder finalist lol. You realize how many nobodies where Calder finalists lol
Raymond wasn’t even a Calder finalist
Brady tkachuk over dahlin and Hughes is laughable
no it's just sad.
As well as over Svech. Honestly I think he’s 5 imo.
The absolute Heiskanen disrespect
Dude he’s really good but Makar, Pettersson, Robertson, and Oettinger were also taken in that draft
@@jameson1239Makar is better who else though?
@@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson, easily. Deal with it.
@@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson
@@hemanownsyou Heiskanen is on pace for:
4-47-51 Points, 151 Blocks, +250 SAT Differential, +198 USAT Differential.
This was fun!
1 month later, Slafkovsky keeps showing that your evaluation is so damn off, love it! xD Also Nemec killing it for Devils, what the hell is Jesse on, clueless opinions xDD
He has 7 goals in 49 games played lol I swear mtl fans think their players are god tier
@@bug0811 he's 19 lol, and his first full season 😄 seen Dubois's stats? Or do you expect 19 y.o. kid to slap in 30 goals on his first season?
@@jancihamara your original point was that the evaluation is off, mintyukov has almost the same amount of points as Juraj in 9 less games played as a D on a worse team than mtl. Cooley has more points in less games than juraj.
@@bug0811 and evaluation was indeed off lol
And the Devils are terrible right now with Jack Hughes out and Nemec is still catching up to Mintyukov in points with less games played.
Finally, I get my bardown fix
For me only Raymond and Stutzle would make the top 5 that were originally in the top 5. I think Perfetti, Lundell, Mercer, and Jarvis have been better than the other players in the top 5.
as a Sens fan… Sanderson is more valuable than stutzle and should of gone #1. Points are great but Sanderson is f-ing near flawless and he’s played 1 year.
Jonathan Lekkerimäki will end up the top of the 2022 class by the end of the decade. Sick degree of natural talent. Mike Bossy like sniper.
Brady over Quinn is one hot the hottest and worst takes ever in these podcasts!
Where is the love for Zach Benson in the 2023 draft, he's got NHL games under his belt and is looking decent so far as an 18 year old
Agree what Jesse says about Quinn Hughes.
Tbh I think jesper bratt should have been in at least the top 10. Devils got the biggest steal of the draft
Hughes it up, all the Hughes’ bros be picked in the first round top 10, and we got Nico in here to
Insane to not mention Jesper Bratt as a riser to the 2016 draft, are you kiiiiding meee
How did noone bring up Lundell for 2020?
Lucas Raymond should probably be third in the 2020 class, and sandin pelikka will be a riser in a few years
i watched chamber of secrets yesterday and even i didnt know what jesse was referencing
So you admit that Quinn Hughes is probably the best player in the league at the moment, but you'll take the 70 point winger instead because you just like his vibes better?
Quinn Hughes isn't even the best player on his team homie
@@shoeboxbistro and who would that be?
Nemec just played his first game, you guys can fix your top 5 for 2022 now 😉
That framed Chel '94 is sick! I suggest people check out NoClips Documentary of "The Making of NHL '94" on CZcams that came out a couple days ago.
Surprised no one even mentioned Matthew portios for Boston in the 2022 draft
Brandt Clarke is going to be a star. The Kings are brining him along slowly and developing he defensive game. This is his first pro year in the AHL he is leading the league in D man scoring as a rookie.
Julia needs to be on bar down content more often!
The fact that every highlight is a play against the red wings shows the red wings hate
Lmfaoooo just goes to show, Quinn Hughes can literally lead the league in points as a dman and captain a team from the basement to the top, and he'll still get passed over for a winger who's well below a ppg on a middling-bad team. 😂😂 That's fine, keep sleeping, that's how we got him at 7 so all I can say is thank you. ❤
Looking back, the fact that some of them took other players over Johnston and Stankoven in 2021 is insane.
Imagine Quinn Hughes in International Competition and getting that kind of experience.
Slaf kind of proving them wrong rn
Still can’t get over the red wings taking Zadina over Hughes
I still think Kappo Kakko can turn things around and still see that huge potential in him
I have a thought for a podcast, Top 5 Undrafted NHL players past present and future
Top 5 undrafted that are retired or out of the NHL
Top 5 undrafted Current NHL players
Top 5 Undrafted players inAHL and/or currently signed to an NHL team
Would be interesting to see the players that were passed over in drafts but still pressed on and made the show and proved the teams wrong about them.
id have brady 3 behind hughes & dahlin
I can't think of any way i'd ever consider Brady over Quinn especially after this season
As a jets fan I’m crying we could have got thackuk
Yes, Wallstedt is amazing ❤🎉
CRYING CUZ THE WEEKLY PODCAST STREAK BROKE 😭but looking forward to having other people on while some of you guys r away!! You know what…Julia’s take isn’t the worst thing haha (even tho i respectively disagree, but still love having a Julia appearance 🫶) at least u guys spent more than two min talking abt the Canucks which I appreciate AND AT LEAST SHE WASNT LIKE ADAM FROM SDPN CALLING QUINN’S DEFENCE ATROCIOUS 👹👹THERES A REASON WHY BARDOWN PODCAST IS MY NO.1 FAVE HOCKEY PODCAST 💯🏆CUZ THEY AT LEAST WATCHED SOME CANUCKS GAMES🤣🔥🫶…rant over lol
um unrelated but poc’s voice is sooo nice
This hilarious hate train for Slafkovsky needs to stop
Yeah, really not understanding it. He's been getting better and better, especially this season. Really playing with more confidence and physicality. Good head on his shoulders as well. People are clearly not paying attention to the little things he does well.
Peterka deserves a mention
Considering Tkachuk or Dahlin over Quinn Hughes exemplifies the superficial understanding this panel has of hockey at the most fundamental level.
It has to be taken into consideration who these guys play behind. Byram plays behind Toews and Makar and for that reason is current ceiling is PP2. Power plays behind Dahlin, who has PP1 locked up and the play flows through him. These guys haven't shown it because they haven't been given the opportunity to. I think the Power Hedman comparison is very fair, and I also think Guhle and Byram have a very similar play style as well. Guhle is in a different pair of shoes in Montreal with less consistency/skill around him but both of them show flashes of being stars when they are in control of the play. They just don't get the points to show for it due to who is around them at the time.
Anyone taking Brady in the top 2 is insane. Dahlin and Quinn are the top 2 easy and it’s not close. Tkachuk is heavily overrated by the Canadian market.
No Dustin Wolf as a riser from 2019 draft?
2018 Brady is #1 no question, also the reason the Sens haven’t taken the next step is because they still have DJ smith as head coach!!! Fire DJ already OMG😭😭
Michkov talent is undeniable but you never know if he'll even make his way to the NHL due to Russia war
Love Poc!
Corwin sticking with Byfield at #2 was awesome to see. I'm glad people are acknowledging how great he has been this season, and how much potential he possesses.
That's a Corwin 𝐖.
Tough one for Finnish players 😅 Maccelli was only one that got uplift, others went down
yup that 2016 youth world championship really pumped them up so high on the draft