Is the RTX 4070 a Failure? Nvidia's latest Drama and is it that Bad? - Launch Analysis
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- nVidia just launched the RTX 4070 and nobody is buying this GPU. What is the latest drama surrounding the 4070? Is this GPU that bad compared to the other GPUs in the RTX 40-series lineup. If you need a GPU, should you consider buying the 4070?
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I must say I am really surprised that 4070 didn't sell out.
Though 600$ is simply too much for 'midrange' GPU class the past few years were so bad for GPUs that I have lost any believe that the PC HW market will ever get back to normal, but maybe just maybe Ngreedia went just too far pricewise and people are just sick of paying more every release.
192 bit bus is low end imo
And besides the bus, a 12GB card is a hard pass for me at 1440p. I'm looking for 16GB or higher, regardless of price.
the 6950xt going down to 600 etc probably has a bit to do with it lmao
because everyone have 3000 series they don't need 4000
At 600 minimum with partners charging more in uk...you can ho get a xbox or ps5 that runs hamesvthay look better in 4k 120hz with her on 65 TV. The new xbox and ps5 makes games look better and smoother on my oled TV than my 3080 can...pc gaming g is now a luxury product
4070 isn't a xx70. It is a xx60 Ti at best.
no its a just a 4060. A 4060ti would be the 4070ti GPU cut down.
4060 bro 😂
lowest leap in generation
Some even say it is a 4050/ Ti
And I don't think they're entirely wrong tbh
Their strategy was clear from the start with the entire 4080 12GB disaster. They hoped that they could just increase the number by 1 tier and get everyone to overpay, setting a new standard for the future. It could have worked to be honest, but because the word "recession" is showing up again causing people to be a lot more critical. So in the end we didn't let them get away with it
the reality is that its a tier and a ti cause if you look at the numbers a 4070 is the same speed, problem with that is that the 1070 was 30% faster than a 980, 2070 was 20% faster than a 1080 and the 3070 was about 25% faster than the 2080, where is my 25% uplift over the 3080, hell id even take 15% this is why the 4070ti is the real 4070, 4080 being the real 4070/ti
well put 👍
Seriously this raytracing push is shameful, 4 years and still milking the the early adopter and claiming its matured. PC gamer have fallen so hard back then i remember PCMR hated checkerboard rendering of ps4 but they welcomed this shit dlss/xlss and fsr. Where are the Native Master Race???.
Actually, if you look at what they've done here is segment the cards more. The 4090 is the 4k enthusiast card...the 4080 is meant for 4k. The 4070ti is meant to give you a taste of 4k but really meant to be upper tier 1440p with that vram and buswidth limitation (they were REALLY trying to get away with murder calling it a 4080) the 4070 is solidly placed for 1440p. the 4060ti and 4060 are meant only for 1080p with that 128 bit bus
1070 was 29% faster than the 980, 2070 was 16% faster than the 1080, 3070 was 26% faster than the 2080, and this fake 4070 is 3-5% SLOWER than the 3080.
1060 was 5% slower than the 980, 2060 was on pair with 1080, 3060 was 10% slower than the 2080, fake 4070 is 3-5% slower than the 3080.
1060 has 33% of full die cores, 2060 has 42% of cores, 3060 has 33% of cores, this fake 4070 has 32% of full die cores.
Not to mention that this thing is only 30% faster than the 3070 while the uplift from Ampere to Ada is more than 70% (3090 to 4090). This is $400 4060, and not the $600 4070.
Yeah, this really places it in a perspective.
The 4070 is basically a 60 Tier card, while it's priced as 80 Tier card.
@@KryssN1 trueee fr
Yeah as I stated back at launch, it appears Nvidia just threw all the bones into the 4090 and then forgot about proper performance deltas for the remaining stack.
It's even worse if we include the price difference between the new xx70 and old xx80
970 was 138.3% more cost-efficient than 780
1070 was 86.7% more cost-efficient than 980
2070 was 39.2% more cost-efficient than 1080
3070 was 76.4% more cost-efficient than 2080
4070 is 9.7% more cost-efficient than 3080.
The formula used: ((xx80 price / xx70 price) * speed increase) - 1.
@@alexsmirnoveu Holy sack that's awful. 9.7% is a joke.
It's not a 4070. This is a 4060 branded as a 4070 and the appropriate $299 price was DOUBLED to $600+.
Correct. It's good to see people are waking up to this scam...
Couldn't agree more. The 4070ti with a 256 bit memory bus and 16GB gddr6x should be the 4070.
@@tourmaline07 yeah and a lot of people don't know this. Im glad I caught that before I bought a 4070ti
@@jasonking1284 agreee I think they thought they were Nvidia sheep without realizing
@@tourmaline07 well you pretty much described the 4080 16G which should have been a 600 dollar 4070 ti
6700XT for 400, 6950XT for 650, 7900XT for 850 and 7900XTX for 1000 bucks in GER right now, so the choice may not be 2 difficult for most gamers lol
I have a feeling the 50 series is gonna impress everyone but be priced the same as the 40 series to make it seem like a good value.
Nah, it's gonna be a $50 bump across the board, but still offering more value than the 4000s. Nvidia is gonna be sick if the 4060s don't sell though. Just get a used 3000 for the love of God. And honestlyz the 3060 12GB is more impressive for price than the 4070 or 4060ti will be. Hella unlucky.
Thats a good prediction. Keep the price higher than 30 series but more vram. With probably the same power but dlss nvidia or whatever lol
@@Saturntime33 To be perfectly honest... I think ray tracing has done more harm than good for the gpu market and consumers. 20 series was 4 years ago and this is the 3rd RTX generation, but somehow the technology is getting more expensive! Neither AMD nor Nvidia is even making non ray tracing cards anymore despite the fact that only about 125 games use RT... Thats including older games like Portal, Quake 2, and World of Warcraft... And also smaller or unexciting titles like Poker Club, Lego Builders Journey, and Fritz Chess 18.
I'm ready for RT to git gud... Cuz right now, it's an expensive pain in the ass.
The Ampere move!
CZcamsrs should call on the gamers community to boycott Nvidia products
No this ain't twitter
Why? It's not nvidia's fault that Radeon is an afterthought at AMD.
Right now, there's only one serious player in the GPU industry, and with a functional monopoly, you get monopoly prices.
@@ryanspencer6778 I disagree. There are more reasons now to buy Radeon cards than there have been in a LONG time.
CZcamsrs are doing their job at pointing out the goods and the bads of the 4000 series.
No need to go "justice warrior" on this one because the next step is always to go after the people who will disagree with your little boycott. Just let the people free to decide.
@@naturesown4489 this was true for last generation, but AMD is right back to being an inferior product and charging enthusiast tier prices for them.
The 7900xtx is barely competitive with a card that should be the 4070 in a sane world. That's the best they can do at the high end.
Had a GTX1060 for seven years, way market is going probs gonna have it for another seven.
I just replaced my GTX1060 to RTX4070 due to image generation with old CPU (DLSS3).
Still rocking a 1060 6GB (ASUS) from 2016, and I feel like I got incredible value out of this card. I paid 240 EUR for it brand new, and it's been an absolute workhorse. I've experienced no issues with it, even while overclocking, and I've been able to play most games on medium settings without any trouble. It wasn't until Hogwarts Legacy and Darktide came out that I started considering an upgrade, but I agree with you, the current offerings feel underwhelming.
If it had 16GB vram I'd consider it, because of the dlss3. No way at 12GB. Also, FSR 3 will be coming out this year anyway.
Fsr3 will probably be not as good and I have an rx6800. Hopefully I'm proven wrong l.
Dlss will always be better. This is coming from a RX6800 guy. I ain't an Nvidia shill.
@@kotztotz3530 I don't think you can say with confidence that it will "always be better". FSR is much more in its infancy than DLSS. Yes, DLSS is definitely much better at the moment. Also, lots of people can't access DLSS so for them there is no option but FSR. Also not a shill, I have a 3080 desktop and 3070ti. I just don't think that you can forecast with such complete confidence that DLSS will always be better than FSR.
They are really pushing the narrative this year that difference in frames on 40 series compared to previous gen ( due to frame generation ) is a big deal and everyone should get one..
yeah wait until AMD launches FSR 3 with frame generation.
Exactly what happened with RTX 20 series, Trying hard to sell gamers GPUs only on the basis of a few gimmicks rather than real performance. At least the 20 series didn't try to market 2060 as a 2070. RTX 40 is much worse.
That's because, never mind what they call this card, it is a 4060, not a 4070, just like with the new "4070ti" first being launched as a 4080. The oncoming 4060 should very likely have been 4050. All to squeeze every single dime they can out of people.
If it had 16GB of vram and was as fast as a 3090 I would have considered buying it.
yeah thats called the 6950 xt
@@yeagmatic the problem is that 6950xt not at the same price in my country
Yeah, that would be worth $600.
@@His_Noodly_Appendages i wiss, 780 here, i only saw 1 6950x in offer for 670 but i coudnt get it hope to see it onece again
@@giratina_86 its selling for around 650USD here the same price as the 4070. Whats it selling for where you live?
I dont get why the triple fan editions exists and why the dual fan editions doesnt have 2x6 (or 2x8) power connectors.
Most people with money went straight for the 4090 or the XTX. The smart money is waiting or buying used.
I'd never touch the used GPU market now that most of the cards had been mining crypto for years. A used card would have to be half its new price to risk it IMO.
@@patsk8872 would rather use well taken care of crypto cards than gaming cards
I'm hoping the lack of sales lowers the price in a month or two when I upgrade from the gtx 970. I'd like to see the reviews and benchmarks of the 4060 (ti) before finally deciding.
Keep dreaming, not a single 4xxx GPU has dropped in price from it's msrp, even though none of them sold out at launch except the 4090.
I guess, only answer from AMD and Intel will hit that prices.
- If AMD will deliver APU's with RDNA on desktop, or Intel will launch Alchemist+ it will shake prices of rtx3050/3060 and that 'wave' will go further upside.
- Or if AMD will launch RX7800 for a good price, it will kill rtx4070s pricing.
I have a 1070 and am hurting for an upgrade. I am waiting to see what Amds 7800xt does, but This is a consideration.
hi, love your analysis videos man!!
Need your advice on something.
I will be building myself a new PC second half this year (my first gaming pc and one which i plan to use for atleast next couple of gpu generations), i was considering 4080 but given how poor of a value it is I am thinking of stretching my budget to a 4090.
what's your opinion on this?
I had the same decision and I just went with AMD 7900 XTX
I'm currently assembling my parts for a new build, a sff one at that, to replace my i5-3570k (yes 3rd gen ivy bridge intel) and 1070. Going from a 3570k to a 7800X3D is going to be awesome. I'll be sticking with the 1070 for now though since it's able to handle the games I'm currently playing. Maybe if the 4070 comes down in price I might consider getting one. Either that or I'll wait until something else that's a better value comes along, maybe an AMD/Radeon card.
Great review m8, very well nailed, as always.
Funny thing is the cheapest 4070 in Ukraine is 800usd, MSI gaming trio 960usd.
I'm happy with my used 3080 550usd not after miner with 1 year warranty.
Definitely waiting for next gen which better have 16+g VRAM for less than or equal to $800, or I will simply swap back to a console and stream with a capture card in order to play with hot new titles.
I was looking to build with this generation because my current gear is long in tooth and leaving me wanting but I might be waiting another year or two for the 5000 series it looks like.
Same, I wanted to build a com with a 3070 after living with a 1070 for so many years. We all know how that turned out and now I just refuse to buy out of principle (especially since everything has an import premium in my country). AMD isn't an option since they cannot run VR titles so I'll have to hold out until the 5000 series.
I wouldn't expect the 5000 series to be any less garbage.
@@WesternHypernormalization And probably more expensive too!
Is the 4070 worth it if I'm upgrading from a 1660 super?
I'm a 2070 Super user playing at 2560x1440. I'm going to wait for the 50 series before I upgrade, and if I really have to I will wait for the 60 series although I don't think I will have the patients to wait that long.
I just sold my 2070 Super. New AAA titles want more VRAM. I sold it for 240 and bought a 6800xt for 470. Ill probably switch to a 50 series if they get their shit together. I cant wait that long.
It's coz we wanted them to discount the 3000 series with the release of the 4000 series. This way, they don't have to discount that 3000 series we got our eye on. Coz all of a sudden that price we didn't wanna pay por the 3000, is looking not so bad right about now 😅
How are you a Mac?
what game at 5 50?
what about people who game at 1080p with a 144 hz monitor? could this card be a reasonable card for someone wanting a 1080p experience in ultra for the next few years? will the 12 gb vram hold back 1080p?
YES. If you plan on staying at 1080p for a few years. Its the 8gb of vram today that's effecting 1440p/4K titles with higher textures. The vram on AMD with 16gb from two years ago are holding up. 12gb of vram on newer cards seems like the minimum for high settings for a few years then DEAD. Thats why people are complaining.
@@Saturntime33 i understand the complaint, but was wondering how to make this passable, since it is already out. gamers who want to game in 1440p, will have to use dlss to get to ultra, it seems.
boss, please tell me once and for all, should i get rid of my 4070 ti? i bought for MSRP and i am having extreme buyer's remorse, i don't want to lose so much money when comes to upgrading and selling it.
Yup. Nothing from Nvidia is worth buying this generation... Except the 4090 if you care nothing about price.
4060ti will be between 3070 / 3070ti
for $400 at best case and underwhelming 8gb
with 8gb of memory it will be able to run new games on MEDIUM SETTINGS😂😂
Did you use hub's figures and not give them a shout out?
I am personally at a point were upgrading is becoming a thing. My 1080 is still a good card but at 1440p it is showing its age. Due to this I was seriously thinking of going for the 4070 but I am hesitating.
As this could have been really a interesting card if it was 499 like the previous 70 series msrp.
Or the current price but with 16gb memory and 3080ti performance. Now at this odd placement of neither, it is making everyone (including me) to consider if waiting for a price drop or for the next generation is the way to go.
All I can say is I'm 100% on board with your statement. Still sitting on an i7 4790k/gtx 970. I'm ready and very wanting to upgrading finally. But....if I've waited this long I may as well hold on further. Or forget PC gaming all together.
Other options are also out of the picture really.
3080 is old technology at this point, less vram and uses more watts (which is a deciding factor these days).
4080Ti is too expensive and still the same 12 Gb vram as 4070. So I feel that it is just a bad choice to go for.
And even though the Radeon cards are really good, they lack certain things that Nvidia provides.
Maybe a 4070 16Gb version but who knows if that ever becomes a reality due to the Ti model already being out.
6950xt
Same, we need to hold the line. I'll wait till a reasonable 4080 Ti happens or the 5000 series. Who knows, maybe PC gaming is no longer affordable for me
I am i the same boat with a GTX 10-series card. If these things are sitting on the shelves like this Greenidia has to do a price drop before the end of summer. That or i will just hold out for the next generation which will have 16GB, or perhaps get a 6950 XT?
How much faster is the 4070 than my Vega 64?
Good video. My only slight disagreement would be the 4070 being a viable upgrade path for 2070 owners.
For me, if I'm going to spend $600+ on a GPU after 4 years, I'd want more than 12GB of VRAM. This is less memory than current gen consoles, and ultra-high settings in new games are starting to scrape 12GB of usage, even at 1440p.
Imagine dropping $600 on a brand new card, and already running out of video memory? An absolute deal-breaker, in my opinion.
It's a good upgrade for 2070 only in the fact that it's a drop in upgrade with the same power consumption but for 2X performance. I agree about the vram, but it's the only upgrade that makes it remotely make any sort of sense.
I still agree it sucks tho.
As a 2070 owner who is starting to look at upgrading, any card with less than 16GB of ram is a hard pass for me.
Consoles share the VRAM and regular ram. So 16gb of VRAM is pretty misleading
@@captainhrothgar4637 me too
Since when did "out of stock" became a metric to tell if something is selling well or not. yeah in the two big mining periods sure but everyone showing that these gpus are in stock and concluding that they don't sell well because of that forget the 30 years before that.
With the 40 series Nvidia tried to look at on how much they can insult us without 99% of the stupid people out there noticing.
Ngreedia is becoming an e-waste/AI company.
So will the RX 7600 XT beat the RX 6700XT?
This most likely would've been the 4070ti if the backlash from the 4080 12gib didn't happen.
The 4070 isn't a bad card. The price and placement in the stack is what makes it bad.
12 GB VRAM makes it bad. Some games already have VRAM issues ON LAUNCH. How is it going to look 1 year from now?
@@ScreamerRSA Honestly unless you're playing brand new AAA games it makes no difference because as a 6950xt user, I don't even own a game that uses more than 9GB at 1440p. And if you do buy and play these brand new "benchmark" games for $70 each then you can afford a better graphics card in the first place.
maybe some of europe will buy to save on energy costs, otherwise its just a 3080, after 3 years, lol. Where i am, a large SI discounted it by $130 on day 1 (making it within $50 of a used 3080), even then sales was slow. Again, its not bad, just priced bad, again. Jensen tried to create uproar with the 750 price, anchor expectations then drop to 600, sadly it doesnt work super well on the super price sensitive midrange buyers
I am really surprised by how "low" prices for the 40 series cards are in the US. The dollar is currently worth less than the Euro, but the MSRP for the RTX 4070 base models seems to be 659 € here in Germany when it should actually be under 600 €. Also, the 4070 OC models (like the Asus TUF as an example) cost friggin 800 to 900 €, which is insane. For 950 € you get the TUF 4070ti OC, which is still super expensive, but at least a little better when comparing it to a 4070 for 900 €. Don't know what went wrong in the Asus web shop, but that just doesn't make any sense to me.
I think the 4070 would be way more appealing if they either give the same performance and 16gb vram for about 550$, or the same performance, same vram for 500$. I bet, then this gpus would have been sold out in a mather of hours, or at least a few days. But with the current price, performance and vram, its simply nothing to get hyped about. And preferable the proces i mentioned would be the aib models, not the founders.
/edit: It also would not have hurt to have slightly better performance, because a lot of people with 30 series cards would not really see any reason to upgrade,.. but if the vram would have been 16gb and the card would deliver at least 5 or 10% more performance, even 30 series owners would most likely sell of their 30 series gpus and get the 4070...
Its sad to see... I really dont know what nvidia is thinking, about their whole line up. It doesnt make sense at the slightest... except the 4090, and maybe the 4080 if you can get it about 100-150$ below msrp or with a good bungle offer when building a new system. I can see the future... 50 series cards will be hyper inflated, because nvidia has to sell wharehoses of 40 series cards,.... Here we go again....
Additional VRAM isn't necessary but would be welcome. This isn't a 4070 not by a land slide. This is in actuality a 4060 if not a 4050. They're marketing it as a 4070 though. They're relying on DLSS and Frame Generation to make it look as though it's much faster than the last generation but it's a far cheaper card than previous 70 GPUs.
when they announced the 3070 with 8gb of vram I knew they were greedy.
I went 7900XT for $800 and they threw in Last of Us which, for some reason, runs perfect and smooth and detailed for me. Luckily bug free 2 hours into the game. What erks me about nVidia's approach is they use small ammounts of VRAM for planned obscelesence and then release limited access features like RT Overdrive bloated nonsense for Cyperpunk or Portal RT to try to create FOMO to sell overpriced cards that have Frame Generation available. Trying to force owners of previous 3000 series to sell and upgrade again less than 2 years later when those cards are still powerfull. I just find that underhanded. And people fall for it.
20gb of Vram for that price is a big middle finger to nvidia its great. I recently switched to AMD because of the VRAM issue. The drivers are really good actually.
@@Saturntime33 Drivers have been rock solid for me. People are full of crap saying otherwise. I know years ago that was not the case but I have been on AMD for 3 or so years now and they have been on point. Adrenalin control panel is very good.
Dont matter what they charge, i aint buying.
99% of games are handholdy, overly monetized, terribly written shite.
Ill keep my 1080ti forever.
Same but I even with Rx570
Games are so bad now a days. I’m also done paying greater than $40 for a game, Elden Ring was the only exception.
Agree, it’s one of the main reasons why I’m not interested in newer titles. So much unoptimised trash, hence why I’m losing interest in PC gaming altogether. I’m on RX580 8GB and it still does quite decent in the games I still currently play.
@@somebodyrandom2800 take a look at Warzone. Been out quite some time they still haven’t fixed important glitches like items disappearing lmfao
@@arizonawatermelon123 There's plenty of amazing games still being released, what are you talking about. Elden Ring was unplayable on PC for the first 6 months too btw lol
I bought an MSI ventus 3X couple of hours ago, it works pretty fine. Tested it on Davinci resolve and on Cyberpunk and its fine. But I play at 1080 not 1440 or 4k. At 1080 I can play cyberpunk at max resolution and path tracing with DLSS quality at around 90 fps. If I turn off path tracing and just use ray tracing at psycho settings it jumps to 120 fps. Not complaining, since I am moving from a 2060 super
Apart from the 4090 , the rest of the line up is wank at the greed price Nvidia / Retailers are asking
wank wank wank
I’ll believe you when the founder’s edition is available in my area.
If the 4070 was 20% faster and had a 256 bit bus along with 16GB of vram then I would've been sold.
Imo each 70 series card of the next generation should be as fast as a 90 series from previous gen not to mention the low vram….
My undervolted RX 6800 also runs max 200W on a 550W PSU. I got it used for 400 EUROS end of last year.
It also has 16Gb of VRAM and I can play almost all the games I play at 4K 60Hz.
Why would I need this fake and overpriced 4060? lol
My 1660 Super is showing its age im in need of a upgrade
It is not bad, it is just unexpectedly low spec for the price point. It performs in normal rasterization under the 3080 which is a 2 year old video card and was more accordingly priced, so basically Nvidia is selling you DLSS3 for 100$ more for less performance. Most of the games don't even have DLSS support except the AAA titles. I own ~1200 games AAA and indie titles how many of them have DLSS2... let's not talk about DLSS3? like 10% at the best? This should've been like a 300-350$ card that's my opinion.
The 4060 Ti and the 4060 will be competing directly with the used market. If they thought this was a flop, wait until they see the next two GPU releases. The 4070 was the last tier of new gen GPU models that they would have been able to carve a niche for and have something worth mass consumer sales, and it flopped. Everything below it unless it is dirt cheap, you are better off buying a used old gen GPU and saving tons of money. Nvidia knew this was coming and they thought their 600 dollar price tag was going to be a help to them. It's comical how bad this has gotten. Unless their goal is to sell out the remaining new 3070 stock before tanking prices, I have no idea what their plan was. Shareholders will not be okay with an entire generation of awful sales, and whether they fix that issue in this generation, or next generation, they will have to fix it. I thought this GPU would sell a lot better, but when you actually think about it, the 70 class GPU buyers are people who actually are concerned about value, whereas 70 Ti, 80, and 90 consumers are willing to spend more money and are less concerned with value. Being that the value accross the entire generation is awful, of course the most value centric tier was the largest flop.
I recently bought used RTX 2080ti for ~400$ and I was worried that this is a bad deal. Release of RTX 4070 showed me that it was good deal for money (at that time used 3070 costed ~400$). If I wanted to go for new card, I would go for RX 6950XT (I brought up prices below). I would like to have comparison between those two cards.
In my country RTX 4070 is arround 690-851€ (766-945$ for today) depending on model. At my closest store the price difference is very small for the cheapest models. Actually some more expensive ones of RTX 4070 cost even 100€ more than RX 6950XT
To be exact:
AMD RX 6950XT is 746€ (only this model is available).
For RTX 4070 the cheapest (Gainward Ghost) 662€ and the most expensive (Asus TUF OC) is 851€.
Average models are priced at 765€.
I bought a used 3060 ti with a 1.5 year warranty for $260, your deal seems way worse but at least you got more vram xD.
Naw. I would definitely get the 4070 over the 2080 ti. That's a pretty big upgrade for you
@@edge8945 @Jason D Wimes Nice deal, but it couldn't happen in my country. The cheapest working 3060 (not even ti) costs 362$ with current exchange rate vs cheapest RTX 2080ti 428$.
I had to buy some furniture, so my GPU budget was decreased and I switched from 1060 6gb.
Options for my budget were 3060 / used 3060ti or 3070 / some kind of RTX 2080ti.
I wanted card with at least 10gb of VRAM for 2k gaming, becuase I foreseen issues with 8GB cards, so I aimed for at least 3080.
At the beginning I even didn't consider RTX 2080ti, but after research and searching through offers, it was the best deal.
I am surprised how well this card performs after 4,5 year.
@@jasondwimes8612 But RTX4070 costs twice the price for mid AIB model and I wasn't willing to spend that much for GPU that I'll replace in span of 2 years. I upgraded from 1060 6gb and this is a HUUUGE leap in the performance.
The 40 series looking at it from every which way HAS been a disaster, the only card worth buying has been the 4090 & it's priced out of this world! The high ups at Nvidia need to take a look at themselves & ask whether they are still up to it, maybe Jensen needs to step down too & realise he's had his day because he's obviously so out of touch with the market there now. A nice golden beach with a towel is perhaps what he needs before he ruins everything for everyone & the sooner the better!!
No 4090 is also overpriced. It only worth $1099.
@@kelvinkms3671 Couldn't agree with you more, what I meant is it is a great performance jump compared really to the rest of the GPU's in the 40 series but the price is ridiculous just like the rest of the 40 series price tags.
Buy card 4060 by name 4070 and price 4080
Why not buy brand new 6950 XT?
I'm building my first PC over the next couple month. Will probably buy the 4070 if price drops by 100-200 dollars (~65-125 USD less) where I'm at
I would pick one up at 350 but still that 12gb VRAM is nagging at the back at my mind.
C'mon, that's not even close to a realistic price. I'm no Nvidia lover or anything but the card isn't terrible even if it doesn't live up to expectations. There's no way it would've ever sold for 350.
I still have 2-3 months before I build my PC, I hope 4060 , 4060 ti won't be too disappointing.
Lol just watched a little further and he already said that both of them will be disappointing.
Would have been nice to see this card perform close to a 3080 Ti / 3090. 3080 performance with DLSS 3.0 is underwhelming at this price.
Also the benefits from frame insertion is not as high on this card as it is the high end cards like the 4080/4090.
Wait until you see the price in Australia and NZD, we're like used to subsidize the actual MSRP in other countries lmao. It's so egregious.
Afordable to WHo ?? I have money. but I refuse to give in to Manufacturer Scalper prices. 600$ is an absurd price...
It definitelly feels like this is the "skip it" generation.
Imma hold off with my 3060 for the time being
Way too high a price for what should be a 4060
Launch GPUs that offer almost no additional performance per dollar, you get almost no additional sales. Shouldn't surprise anyone.
I just bought one I’m on a 2070 super so it was time 😂 I feel like if u alr have something close to the 4070 just keep it I wanted the FE so I got it from nvidia
I’m on a 2070 super, and I’m wanting higher performance since games are starting to die to my 8 GB of VRAM, but the 4070 is just too pricey. At 600 I’d expect at least 16GB of VRAM and at least the same memory bus of the 3080 ti. Instead we got half-measures, on a 600 dollar card.
If I weren’t broke I’d just grab a 6950 XT at this point. I like DLSS and ray tracing but Nvidia is trying their hardest to make me never their customer again. The 1070 was incredible, the 2070 super was a nice upgrade, and technically next up should be the 4070, but it just doesn’t put out like it should at that price point.
Got my red devil rx 6800xt for under $500. Cant beat 4k for under that!
Amd dropping prices and shaming nvgreedia
4090's at least in my area are also plentiful. This generation is a bust but I highly highly doubt nvidia care too much. They are making a majority of their money on the datacenter side of things and they are just fine. Look for the 5xxx series to be even higher in price.
The main win it has is efficiency, wait till amd release if you can.
If building a totally new system it seems to be not a terrible buy.
12gb was a mistake they didn't learn from when they had 8gb cards for the 30xx series 16gb should be the minimum and not only for the 4080
I think it's a perfectly good card that will have a knock on effect of lowering 30xx series prices before eventually coming down a bit too. I'm thinking of going for one of these at the end of the year alongside a ryzen 7900 for a power efficient rig that runs at nice temps and can still pack a good punch.
RX 6059?
Same price.
Much more punch
More ram
The power efficiency and size are big draws for me as well. If you’ve got the PSU and space for a 6950 XT right now, they’re a great deal, but for me, the 4070 hits a sweet spot in several ways.
i mean for people who start fresh and are not upgrading, these cards are pretty ok… but for someone who allready got something its not lmao
Without Crypto... Those prices fore a VGA are crazy stupid.
Hope to come back to value similar to 10xx cards
As many have said before, 40 series has a pricing problem. The whole 4080 12gb into 4070 ti proves that model names have nothing to do with performance and just mean what price tier they occupy. But I need a gpu so I'll have to choose something sooner or later. Next gen is too far off and who knows what prices will be then.
Another subpar product from Team Jensen at ridiculous price. Who would have thought it was meant to be rotting on shelves?
I got the 4070 on launch and i am happy. I know it is pricey but this RT has been wild
i had a 2080ti (its dead) i dont konw if buy the 4070 or 6800xt
you play vr or stream? if not, 6800xt is better for 1400p
@@valentds i only stream for friends, but occasionally, so I think the 6800xt is the best option
I think it would be smart if techtubers would convey one aspect that no one really seems to focus on. What could make the 4070 decent cards for someone who may be on a lower tier PSU but want to be able to play at 1440p and take advantage of the production capabilities and utilize nvidia encoding and the production suite in general. The 4070 COULD be a better deal for them than some cards that, while being sold cheaper, may still require them to upgrade their PSU, where in some cases, the 4070 may not.
I had an RX 6700 XT bought it for msrp from the AMD site during the pandemic. It was great for gaming at 1440p more than fulfilled my gaming needs, however it constantly gave me issues with some production work, random driver crashes, and AMD's encoder did not like to play well with recording footage in 1440p. All said, if the card didn't get broke by super adorable fosters kittens I would just keep making do, but I need something pretty quick, and I would also like to upgrade my processor to either an i9-10900k or a 11900k. Which according to the psu calculators will run just fine on my 650w sfl psu.
Honestly, the power efficiency on the 4070 could just be my saving grace. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happier than a dog with two peckers if I could grab this card at $500, but the extra $100 was less than I was going to have to pay for a power supply that would actually fit in my case. Stupid small form factor needing original version of the Lian-li 011 mini. I am going to put my supernatural like patience powers into full effect, holding off to buy the 4070 for 4-5 months. Hoping for some good luck and for fortune to shine my way. Maybe, if sales are as bad as people are saying, just maybe we might seem some $30-$50 cuts in response to other releases, if AMD is even going to release anything in the next 4 months.
I will have one Thursday. I expect it to be on the slow side and a little low on RAM... the RAM will be a problem next year. Is it a rip off ? Yes. But that is Nvidia... would I buy it for myself ? Absolutely not ! But I have 2 preteen sons, 11 and 13 in 6 and 8 weeks. The price of the 4080 is ridiculous. My sons say their 3060 is not enough... so an early birthday present is in order. (The Asus TUF with 3 fans was my choice for them... I hope it is enough)
I understood logic of Ngreedia. And now can't wait for the 7070 which will faster then 4070 by 2 times and will cost 2100$.
The v-ram scaling problem is making apparent these cards are simply not sufficiently future proof. Games right now are chewing 10gb of vram at 1440p with ease, and its only going to get worse in years to come. Sure, one can always scale down settings, but considering prices for these things are nuts, it seems like it pays to wait for next gen.
Best Buy trying to claim $599.99 was $30 off @ 1:50.
its selling at 26 dollars above msrp in canada thats sad cause
the 7900 xt is now 147 dollars below msrp
and look what it does even better then a 4070 ti
which is a paltry 80 bucks cheaper
I'm getting it. I'm building my first gaming PC so I'm starting at 0, I don't care about 4k gaming but 1440p is perfect for me. I don't play graphic intensive games, and I like it's low power usage
games are pushing over 10gb VRAM today so as long as you update the card in two more years
Maybe most people are thinking the same and are only interested in the fe?
My wife needs to upgrade her 1080, I doubt I'll be getting her a 4070 tho, I'll prolly wait for amd's low-mid range rdna3 cards to launch and make a decision then based on prices.
I guess I'll use my 4 year old RTX 2080 for another 2 years. And then I'll quit gaming for good, cause there is no way the RTX 5000 series will be worth buying either.
its not any different here in europe, with the 4070 costing around 670-680 euros yeah that aint selling out. thats 180 more euros than last xx70. that aint selling. also i bought my 2070 super for around 520 euros. which i found to be a lot. but i needed the extra for 1440p performance. i didnt see the value in getting a 3070 and i dont really see it in the 4070 either. why would i go from a xx70ti sorta class to a 70 non ti class. i would have bought the 4070ti if it didnt cost 900 bucks. maybe 600 euros but even that is a bit much to me. i dont think the next generation will improve at all. and also i dont think 12gb will be enough anymore either in the soon future. so my next gpu will be a 16gb card which will either be the 6950xt if it drops a bit more. or the 7800xt if it even releases at all.
i will pair it with a 3800xt tho as i dont see myself needing a cpu upgrade at all. and maybe sometime in the future ill switch to a 5800x3d
Just wait for it 4050 6GB AT 299-350$ hahahahah
Haha perfect scam
honest opinion -it will be worth buying in ayears when the price coems down to 450
tbh it should have been priced 449-499 depending on model and should have had approx 5%better performance it would sold out,
I need to upgrade my PC because my GTX 960 4 GB is way to slow.
I could afford a 350 € card including 19 % sale taxes. That's about 325 $ without taxes.
I could buy a 3060 12 GB for about 295 $ plus taxes, but that's only 10 € below MSRP.
I think the 4060 will be priced at 350 $ to 380 $, but that's too much for me, especially with only 8 GB VRAM and about 33 % less Memory Bus Bandwidth.
And because I want to start with machine learning / deep learning, I need the CUDA cores. So other manufacturers aren't appealing either.
No easy decision to make.
Whatever I do, it's gonna be a bad choice.
The more you don’t buy, the more you save.
The only other thing that should be mentioned is that if you want a good card at the same level of performance as the 4070, then go buy a 6800 from AMD.
One thing most GPU reviews don't take into account is how GPU prices remained relatively constant from 10 series up to 30 series.. 40 series is the first time Nvidia started to account for inflation. With that being said if you compare previous gens price to performance adjusted to current inflation values you'd get a very close price to performance comparison. Albeit a little bit worse but, but still closer than you'd think. I don't meant to sound like an Nvidia fanboi but take inflation into account and you'd have an answer why 4070 is 100 dollars more expensive than 3070.
$499 back in 2020 is $582 today.. Basically 4070 is roughly $17 more expensive than 3070 if you take inflation into consideration. Which you should.
It just feels more expensive because you don't buy GPU every month like some groceries so you don't feel that prices on everything costs more today than they did two years ago.
If it was a true 70 series card, I would agree with you.
@@stuart_gill yup. This is like a 4060 super
Just 300$ too expensive
This is Nvidia's slow cooking the frog model, they will bump up the pricing tier for all their models but offer less than historical improvements for those tiers. Their excuse is Moore's law is dead.. so they pass the cost onto the consumer. Forget innovating or improving their architecture.. consumers will pay more for less, the Huang has spoken.