Insert Channels for Multitrack Output from an Audio Mixer
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- Does your mixer output multitrack audio via USB? No. Does it have insert channels? If so, you can still get multichannel out! See all my gear at kit.co/rayortega & listed below.
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On any mixer, you can get two, separated tracks by hard panning left and right. Watch my demo here: • Record Separate Channe...
But if you want to get even more separated channels out of an analog mixer or even a mixer that has USB but only outputs a stereo channel, you can use the insert channels (if you have them) as independent outputs.
By inserting a TS to TS, 1/4" cable (linked below) to only the first click (not pushing the cable all the way in), that channel will be sent out of the insert jack without interrupting the signal being sent to your main mix. If you pushed the cable all the way it, it would interrupt the signal flow to your main mix and the insert jack would simply function as a direct output. You can decide on what you need.
The other end of the TS cable then goes into an audio recorder that has multiple 1/4" inputs (this side of the cable gets plugged in all the way).
Do this for each available insert channel or for as many channels as you want to independently route out of your mixer and you now have a mixer that can send multitrack audio to a recording device.
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Thanks, that's a huge compliment because it's exactly what I'm trying to do with these videos, be helpful and as efficient as possible. Really appreciate the comment.
Wow, I got a Mackie Onyx 32-channel mixer and I was unaware I could use inserts instead of direct outs, so I could maintain all of the mixing with eqs, compressors, reverbs since the direct outs are pre fader instead of post fader. Thanks a million.
I think in most cases, certainly in the case of the Mackie in this video, the Inserts are coming directly off the preamps, no effects would be included. So that would be post-PreAmp and pre-EQ, compression, etc. In other cases, if you actually have Direct Outs and not just Inserts, sometimes those can be Post FX.
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Thanks you are very kind, your nice compliments and viewership is plenty. Stay well.
Initially I recorded multi track recordings using direct out, but not all analog mixers have them, and this is the solution 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting!
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Thank you very much for this explanation! you have saved my life. In the church, we are taking the first steps in streaming and CZcams transmissions and we need to separate the audio that is heard through the floor speakers and the audio that is transmitted through digital channels and I think that with this information we will achieve it.
Ray, I think this video is the most "light bulb" video I've seen on using mixing consoles in quite some time. It never occurred to me to use the Inserts as a de facto channel output. Thanks!
Amazing, thanks, Shawn!
Thanks a lot Ray, this opens a lot of possibilities for my old behringer mixer! 8 direct outputs have popped up out of this tutorial. Regards
Ray Ortaga - Thanks for the reply... I plugged my MOX8 L & R to chan 7/8 and that works fine and it freed up one of the chan's for something else...I prefer to leave certain things plugged in to keep from plugging and unplugging them. That's what I was looking for and now have more inputs.. While looking for this answer, I also learned about the INSERT / ONE CLICK AUDIO OUT METHOD. Man, do I have a lot to learn but it's a lot more fun than being nowhere! Thanks again Ray....
This is cool. I appreciate you sharing this tip, Ray. Thanks!
Thanks, Jason.
I watched a first video on inserts and got discouraged because my mixer doesn't hve a usb connection so I wanted to find a way of recording the live band but then I came across this guy and he has the information the first guy didn't hve "one click" that is a huge difference and now I can record my church band till we buy a digital mixer
That's great news William! Thanks for the feedback and for sharing!
Oh my god... this helped me SO MUCH MAN! Thank you very much for posting.
Thanks Ray! Great solution to our live band set up where all the Aux channels are sent to foldback, but we need to record vocals.
Awesome, hope it works for you, thanks for commenting, Gavi!
Ray with the gold as always
Thanks!
This is just what I needed. I stumbled upon this looking for using a cable return from a Sound Design 688 to Blackmagic Design Ursa Mini. Excellent and cost savings advice.
Cool, thanks, Clifford, that's some good gear!;)
Cool! I didn't know about the "one click" trick! That's super helpful!
Im in love with this information, thanks you made my life easier
Brother, you light my hope!
I plan to get a Ross Systems mixing console and connect it to a computer. Next stage now is to find an interface.
Omg i had no idea!!! Thank you so much. Wow. This solves one of my headaches in signal flow
This is what I needed to see & hear. Thanks
Thank you for this incredible information. Made my day! Very well presented!
Thanks, John!
This video is worth gold every second. THANK YOU !!
Thanks, Gustavo!
Great info this is what im searching for a long time
Thanks, Ivan, glad this helped!
Thanks a lot for this super helpful tutorial! 👍
Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Your amazing Ray! So taking each channel by this method and running into interface, gives me multi channel recording in daw! you can add eq, effects etc in your daw!!!
Thank you so much sir for your packaged information.
This is very very helpful. Thank you
Wow a very clear and straight to the point video! Thks very much
Thanks!
Good info, not many mention what you can di with these connections, that's how i route my inputs to the audio interface , i use the analog mixer for routing signals to headphones/monitors etc
Thanks.
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Damn Ray, your videos are always so clean, watching you handle mixers is like looking at cable porn. You helped me with a Mix - Minus setup on my Behringer 1204USB, and it’s been fantastic, however I’m now down-sizing to a smaller mixer and losing the studio mic I have (Rode NT1) and I don’t need any Aux Send or Returns anymore, decided to go with a Mackie Mix5 since I only need 2 stereo inputs without EQ so I can listen to my 2 PCs at the same time and I’m now using a wireless headset which doesn’t require input to the mixer for the mic, it’s straight USB from the base station to 1 PC. I will miss the quality of my NT1 but I’m only gaming without streaming so headset mic is fine, and switching between sitting at PC and walking around a room-scale VR setup is where a wireless headset will be so convenient. But thanks to you I’ve had the best audio experiences thus far! :)
Wow, thanks! Appreciate the compliments and glad you like how I handle a cable;) And thanks for the update. A whole room for VR, pretty sweet. Enjoy!
Thanks for explaining! Great Video
Perfect, cheers Ray
Thank you,. Exactly what i was looking for
Great concise explanation!! Thank you!
Thanks!
Ooo so cool, I always felt that click in the jack but now I know its a One Click. 🙂
Thanks for watching
Thanks! Not in my manual,big help there
this video is gold
Thanks, Ralph!
Ray you're a good dude.
Thanks, Rin.
Nice and clear!
Thank you so much
Great video
Excellent. Thanks.
Great tip!
thank you so much,
i think this video solves a problem i've tearing my hair out over. thank you!
Wow nice video. Very high quality. What camera are you using?
Great video mate, this trick applies to any mixer that has inserts, like soundcraft epm?
Thank you so much for your content. Would it be possible to use a mic port splitter of some kind to plug in two dynamic mics into a mic input of a mixer? I am trying to get two mono channels out of each mic input so I can record each mic separately by using a digital recorder.
That's cool, thanks for the tip, that means they can act as monitors of that channel then!?
thank u for this tutorial .. i have only line port with quarter inch no insert can I use it ? my mixer is dynacrod with USB but only two channel multitracking
Great info as always. Thanks, Ray! Just one question, though: What is the name of the recorder you were holding?
Thx, it’s the Zoom F8: podhelp.me/ZoomF8Zon
Awesome thank you more please
Thanks!
Hi! Thanks for this very usefull information. just one question though, if I do the one click method, will I get signals on both the mixer main output and to the audio interface?, We are recording our church worship service live, but I want to record in in individual tracks. Thank you and God bless you!
In the 90s I did the same, but made special cables that were
1 stereo in + 2 mono out. The old effects-return-cables....
As long as you marked the one jack output and left the other jack blank,
you could send one to a recorder.
Worked like a charm. But yeah ... two clicks :-)
Is this work?
If the TS cable for return is not plugged in will it mute?
Hey Ray, great video! After reading comments below, I understand that this method for these types of mixers are only for pre EQ.
Would you have any suggestions, or if you knew any new usb mixers that send multi input and have the function to send post fade/EQ along with it? I was looking at the Behringer UFX1204 and it has a send pre/post button on each channel. Would this be something I was looking for?
most inserts on smaller usb mixers are pre-everything aside from the preamp and hi pass filter. I remember when I got my first usb mixer I was so disappointed it didn’t have individual tracks for each channel.
Ive had mackie profx, then I went to a zoom r16 and now have a behringer xr18.
If you are using something like this and need advise, try and use analog preamps when you can so you don’t have to crank gain out of cheaper digital preamps!
Thanks
Hello Ray thanks for your videos. Could you recommend a mixer for my purposes: octophonic speaker setup + subs? Music will be spatialised sometimes through software in Ableton, other times through diffusion. Thank you
Thanks for these tips,but i want to know,did the signal that has been treated on mixer go out like we set it.or did it bypass all EQ,,compressor
Thank you for this video! Hobbiest here and looking for some answers you could help with. I am looking to get a Scarlett interface to hook to my MacBook and record in GarageBand. I have a Behringer PMP6000. Are the I/O channels on the PMP 6000 the same as “insert” in your video? Could I use this trick to have mixing capabilities? Thank you in advance! I have enjoyed your videos!
Genius Ray! How'd you figure this out?
Thanks, Christopher. I don't recall where I got this tip but the Mackie manual actually talks about it and has a diagram for the "one-click" method;)
What I was looking for
You can use stereo trs cables as well it works
Thanks!
Welcome!
Hi Ray thanks for the information on inserts. I would like to connect an eight track Fostex D-80 to my Behringer RX1202fx mixer. From your video I'm guessing I can connect the 8 output channels from the Fostex to the line in sockets 1 to 8 on the mixer, then take standard 1/4 inch jacks {plugged into first click} back to the 8 input channels on the Fostex. I'll feed the Left and right main out to a stereo amp with a master recorder connected, another Fostex, a D-15. Assuming this is ok, could I split the line in between the D-80 and, say a keyboard using a patch bay? That way I could record different instruments on each of the eight channels.
if you have at first a balanced signal into the mixer then you have a unbalanced one into the interface because of the unbalanced jack... does it influence your recording quality or not?
Thank u so much for this vid.. But can we still do this with a mixer that doesn't have inserts?
Thanks. Generally I would say no, the inserts are acting as direct outputs in this case. If you had direct outputs those would obviously be better but if you don't have either then you're not going to get separated channels with a USB based mixer that supports them or in the case of a stereo only mixer, you can get two separate channels but only two, using this method czcams.com/video/Q85QX2rMiL0/video.html
you just save me a lot of money
I want to connect 3 mic,laptop and 4 speaker for home party.?how i can connect.?what stuff i want to buy?
One click in huh ? Damm who knew lol ? Thanks not what I was looking for but good info, subbed and thumbs 😊
Thanks for watching and for the sub!
Using the pan method in your other previous video will allow you allow to still use the insert channel to run to some analog gear (EQ, comp, gate, etc...). If you use the method in this video is there a way to cheat an extra channel into outboard gear if you run through the aux send and return? To clarify, three mics to three channels in the mixer each going to a separate piece outboard gear through the mixer then out to three separate channels to the audio interface.
Yeah you should be able to add in an aux channel if you have, ex: mic 3 is sent to aux so the aux send only sends mic 3.
I have a problem with my digital mixer, it has no output play when ever I connect it to logic pro x, what can I do
Mind. blown.
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This is a good idea, I searched for. I have a Behringer RX1202FX. Does this behave the same way and is it a save contact while recording (having some vibrations)?
I have the F8 as well :-)
THANK YOU SO MUCH MIGHTY SIR.
is there a way to record without using an audio recorder? (which means just using an obs software on the pc)
This is extremely helpful to me. Thank you. Quick question for the community: I will be making six patch cords myself for this purpose. Can I make the end that goes into the insert jack TRS and then the other end of that cable standard TS? I would just not solder one of the connections on the TRS cable end. Background: I am using a XR 12 Behringer and a Behringer rackmount analog mixer. I’m doing it this way for two reasons. First, I suddenly need four more mic inputs. Second, if I have any trouble with the whole Wi-Fi tablet-controlled thing, I can get through a gig with just the rack-mount analog mixer.
Thanks, John. I don't make my own cables (yet) so I don't know the answer but hopefully someone who does will see this.
Curious how your setup will work. Are you using the mixer to feed the four extra channels into the x12 and then the x12 is going out to computer?
Will this send a dry signal or one with effects put on it through the mixer itself? Thanks for your time.
Does the mixer processing (EQ and compression etc) go through the insert into the interface also?
thank you Ray for this valuable info and trick ;) however a quick question, do i need to have a external recorder for this? Can i have multiple 1/4 inch cables on "one click setup" going from mixer to a guitar, drum pad and keyboards and record everything on the software as individual channel? Hope my question makes sense :)
yes you do need multiple recorder for this. you might want to check behringer x18 or similar recorder.
Would I be able to use this method with a TRS cable instead of TS? And if I can use TRS cable, the end going into the audio interface, do I have to do the one click method or can I just plug it all the way in on the interface?
hi how can you hook up eq,compressor tubepre,efx on 1 ch or insert? thanks
Can i go from the mixer's insert to my audio interface to my DAW recording it?
Yes that's what the video is all about.
Does it work on the audio interface with the mixer
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So great idea u gave
2 chenal recording
Fantastic!! BUT, Q: using this method, will the effects (compressor) be added to outbound signal?
Hi Ray, Thanks for video. Kindly ask if you can help me with my mixer question; I connect my Mic and Guitar through two separate input and now through the output lines, I want to hear my Mic by my Studio monitors and hear my Guitar through my Guitar amp separately. Question is, how I can assign a separate output channels for individual inputs(If that is possible)? thank you.
nice never knew that 👍
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Plz help me with this . Can we use the bass and treble rotaries before we take output???
Great. Tahnk you.
What about using Y XLR?
Do you know if that's working too?
audio interfaces like behringer umc1820 will send all signals separate on usb? or stereo only?
Hi, Ray. How does this technique affect the sound of the signal? If you use this metod you can keep going with a regular podcast session? I have a Allen & Heath Zed 14, can i use this metod? Thanks a lot
Won't affect the sound of the signal, it's a direct path so it will just be the audio from the preamp. The ZED14 also has aux sends which you could also use in this same way but you can plug the cable in all the way.
I have a 7 channel mixer, amplifiers for each instrument, komplete audio 6 interface. What is the best setup for recording? Thanks
My has inserts
Sir what is the difference between line and ins input. What are they specific usage?
I've just noticed it is even written on the back of the Behringer Xenyx X2222USB. It states "PRE-FADER/PRE-EQ TIP = SEND RING = RETURN". So I assume if you have, for example, a Behringer UMC1820 Audio Interface like I do this method would fit the bill to produce a full featured analogue/digital mixing solution with 8 analogue inputs and outputs for each module.
Ray, even though it is written in black and white on the unit itself, features such as these would not be apparent without you sharing your knowledge in a searchable format. Thank you very much for doing this. Kind regards.
See Section 5.3 of the manual: media63.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0A0M/X1622USB_X1832USB_X2222USB_X2442USB_M_EN.pdf
Thanks, Fin, very much appreciated.
Super clear!
Awesome
Does this affect panning? Lets say if i wanted to have one mono guitar signal going to another channel using this method so i can get a more stereo spread (one channel panned hard left, and one hard right) would this work?
I've been searching for a mixer with direct out and found Mackie 1642VLZ4, but wanted eventually something smaller than 16 channels - It's hard to find, or I search in wrong places. 1:02 but here you say that INSERT can work like a direct out with TS cable? So I can buy any mixer at my convenience (with INSERT on all channels) and have direct outs? Thanks in advance for your advice. Great tips here in this video, learning a lot from you.
Will the EQ,faders etc all work if I do this?