Mass Effect 2 - Jack and Miranda Fight (How to Keep Both Loyal to You)

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  • In this video, I’ll show you how to resolve the fight between Jack and Miranda and keep both characters loyal in Mass Effect 2. I’ll walk through the speech check requirements, how to boost your paragon & renegade meters, and how to regain Jack or Miranda’s loyalty, even if you sided against them in the big confrontation. Keep watching to see it all.
    0:00 Introduction
    1:11 The Big Fight
    1:31 Paragon Beef Squashing
    2:14 Renegade Beef Squashing
    3:15 What to Do If You Can't Pass the Speech Check
    3:38 How to Boost Your Paragon / Renegade Meter
    5:11 Regaining Lost Loyalty After the Fight
    5:33 Getting Miranda's Loyalty Back
    6:05 Getting Jack's Loyalty Back
    7:21 Romancing Jack or Miranda?
    7:38 Final Thoughts on the Jack vs Miranda Fight
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    In order to earn your squadmates’ trust, you need to complete their individual loyalty missions. In the case of Jack and Miranda, earning and keeping their loyalty is made more complicated due to the personal beef between them.
    When you’ve completed both Jack and Miranda’s loyalty missions, this triggers a short cut scene back on The Normandy. Jack and Miranda are in an intense argument and Shepard needs to intervene. In order to keep both characters’ loyalty in this conversation, you need to pass either a paragon or renegade speech check to squash the beef.
    The requirement for paragons is roughly 80%, or 4 bars on the meter, in order to unlock this option. For renegades the requirement is easier to pass at roughly 60%, or 3 bars on the meter.
    If you’re currently in the middle of a playthrough and haven’t triggered this fight yet, I recommend waiting to complete the second loyalty mission until you meet the requirements to pass this speech check. It’s much better if you’re able to resolve this conflict in the initial fight, especially if you’re interested in romancing one of these characters.
    If your morality meter doesn’t meet the requirements then these speech options will be grayed out, and you will have to choose a side. You will lose the loyalty of whichever character you tell to back off.
    How to Boost Paragon / Renegade Scores
    If you’re having trouble passing speech checks in Mass Effect 2, here are some tips to boost your paragon or renegade meter. I have an entire video on how to max out your paragon score if you want a full explanation on how to do this. But here are the basics.
    First, you need to stick to one alignment for the rest of your playthrough. Mass Effect 2’s speech checks are % based, so if you have a mixed alignment character or you frequently choose neutral options, then the checks are much more difficult to pass.
    Second, if your alignment score is fairly low, check to see if you have the skill bonus. Every class in the game has a power and specialization that grants a 100% bonus to your paragon and renegade scores.
    If you don’t have this bonus, simply put points into it as you level up and choose the right specialization, or respec your character using the Retrain Powers research project in the Normandy Tech Lab.
    Also, don’t neglect side missions and assignments. You can pick up a lot of extra paragon or renegade points by completing these simple quests. There are a bunch of them on The Citadel, Illium and Omega, in particular. This can give you the extra boost you need to pass the game’s most difficult speech checks.
    If you do have to choose a side in the initial fight, it’s still possible to regain Jack or Miranda’s loyalty after the fact. To do this, approach them on the ship and start a conversation. If you can pass a paragon or renegade speech check here, you will regain their loyalty.
    The requirement for this is roughly 80-90% of either paragon or renegade. You can have this conversation anytime before launching the final mission, so if the options are grayed out, simply boost your morality meter, come back later and try again.
    One extra thing to note about this - if you side against Jack in the initial argument, she will refuse to speak with you for the rest of the game, even if you regain her loyalty with a post-fight conversation. So if you wanted to learn more about her or potentially romance her, this will no longer be an option.
    Speaking of romance, if you plan to form a relationship with Jack or Miranda in Mass Effect 2, then do not side against them in the initial fight. Doing this will prevent you from romancing the spurned character for the rest of the game, even if you regain their loyalty later on. So just keep that in mind.
    And that’s basically it - this confrontation is really easy to mess up, especially on a first playthrough. But if you follow the steps in this video, you should have no problem keeping Jack and Miranda loyal to you.
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Komentáře • 207

  • @BigDanGaming
    @BigDanGaming  Před 3 lety +357

    "Take pictures!" -Joker

    • @mega9538
      @mega9538 Před 3 lety +7

      Thats why we love him

    • @christophermurphy7417
      @christophermurphy7417 Před 3 lety +4

      Love your channel and I can't wait for mass effect legendary to be out on ps4

    • @zakhaevshub4735
      @zakhaevshub4735 Před 3 lety +3

      Everyone gather around, let's take a picture.....say Normandyyyy

    • @masongarrison8071
      @masongarrison8071 Před 3 lety +1

      I was gonna comment that!

    • @mega9538
      @mega9538 Před 3 lety +1

      @@masongarrison8071 you still can lol

  • @LegallyBlindGamer7926
    @LegallyBlindGamer7926 Před 3 lety +380

    I think you should have been able to prevent this fight by taking Miranda on Jack's loyalty mission, so she can see Cerberus' true colors.

    • @jesuscarrillo7952
      @jesuscarrillo7952 Před 3 lety +44

      That’s something I thought might be possible on my 2nd play through way back in 2010...would been a very nice touch if they included this

    • @364Leinad
      @364Leinad Před 3 lety +41

      I actually thought bringing Miranda makes the fight even more realistic, since she's still in denial about Cerberus

    • @DoomsdayMayBeOkay
      @DoomsdayMayBeOkay Před 3 lety +5

      Hmm interesting, the fight did not happened in my last run and i was thinking it was because i took Miranda along on Jack's mission, i have played ME2 multiple times and this is the first time this scene didn't trigger no matter how many times i tried to speak to Miranda between missions.

    • @TheDjcoolLuLu
      @TheDjcoolLuLu Před 2 lety +5

      @@DoomsdayMayBeOkay That's nt true in mine. I bought miranda for Jack loyathy mission and the fight still occurred. In mine I had secured miranda's loyathy first.

    • @allsuper9268
      @allsuper9268 Před 2 lety +1

      I agree I also think that it should be the same for taking Jack on Miranda’s mission. Maybe seeing her point of view as well as seeing Miranda as being more human with her sister.

  • @toddc5473
    @toddc5473 Před 3 lety +52

    I'm sure it would be crazy extensive, but I would like to see a list of the best companions to take on each loyalty mission... the best extra/hidden dialog for brining particular extra characters on someone's loyalty mission, ie Miranda on Jack's mission to get the Cerberua perspective or how the Quarians freak out when brining Legion on Tali's.

  • @ashleywilliams511
    @ashleywilliams511 Před 3 lety +204

    In a true fight I would bet on the psycho over the cheerleader.

    • @BigDanGaming
      @BigDanGaming  Před 3 lety +30

      Amen

    • @Viessaisluv
      @Viessaisluv Před 3 lety +12

      Madness always win when it comes to violence

    • @incognito3817
      @incognito3817 Před 3 lety +31

      I’m not so sure, Jack does seem more powerful but she’s far too reckless. How long do you think she would last out in the galaxy without Shepard? She’d get herself killed. Where as Miranda is smart and capable enough to handle things herself.

    • @arokh72
      @arokh72 Před 3 lety +12

      @@incognito3817 she lasted out in the galaxy, without Shepard, quite well on her own, after she escaped Pragia, for about 10 or 15 years, at a guess.

    • @macabre19
      @macabre19 Před 3 lety +3

      Samara kicks both their asses.

  • @spartanq7781
    @spartanq7781 Před 3 lety +162

    This part is so asinine. It requires a absurd amount of persuasion. In the legendary edition they said they were easing the requirement for this.

    • @Mepphy99
      @Mepphy99 Před 3 lety +4

      What why?
      Just Stick to a side It isn't difficult to max a stat

    • @martint5340
      @martint5340 Před 3 lety +68

      @@Mepphy99it’s difficult for this one if you get too this scene early on. You’d also have to have a play style based on if your paragon or renegade rather than the more natural mixed type which will more likely happen if you play the game organically (RPG- the choices you choose based on your own interest rather than their classification).

    • @Lahiss
      @Lahiss Před 3 lety +6

      I have never failed this confrontation.
      Tali vs. Legion on the other hand has gone south with more mixed character.

    • @Mepphy99
      @Mepphy99 Před 3 lety +4

      @@martint5340 i mean i play paragon but the renegade choices the game offers me i like are like 3 or 4

    • @martint5340
      @martint5340 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Mepphy99 guess in more of a douchbag then. x) not enough to like all of them though.

  • @JPS47
    @JPS47 Před 3 lety +40

    How many times does Commander Shepard say "I should go?" I dare you to count all of it

  • @davebirley2280
    @davebirley2280 Před 3 lety +29

    Here's how I keep Jack and Miranda loyal. Start at the beginning of the first game and follow either paragon or renegade option and stick to it as much as you can. I follow the paragon path but have a small amount of renegade points. Then keep following the same path you started in the first game in the second game and you'll pass speech checks EASILY. Also what Dan said about side missions does help and also talking with your crew as well.

  • @goldenwoofer4757
    @goldenwoofer4757 Před 3 lety +39

    I really needed this when I first played the game, now I know how to do it but I still watch your videos because mass effect and great content
    Keep up the good work Commander Dan
    keelah se’lai!

  • @OniGanon
    @OniGanon Před 3 lety +53

    If worst comes to worst, side with Jack. Miranda is very likely to survive the Suicide Mission, even if not loyal. Just don't have her escort the crew, and don't take her to the final boss.

    • @MrPirro
      @MrPirro Před rokem +1

      Thanks, it worked!

    • @grantbarday5760
      @grantbarday5760 Před rokem

      She still died in my first play through. Final section, when everyone was trying to hold off the Collectors while Shepard killed the Reaper. She died so the others could escape.

    • @OniGanon
      @OniGanon Před rokem

      @@grantbarday5760 Yeah that can happen if the 'hold the line' group has too low of a combined 'defense' score. To give non-loyals the best shot of surviving this section, you should leave behind the toughest members of your squad: Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Legion, Samara, Jacob.

    • @Sparky0406
      @Sparky0406 Před rokem

      Miranda will die in ME3 though if you don't keep/get her loyalty in ME2

    • @PeteTheGrouch
      @PeteTheGrouch Před 11 měsíci

      @@Sparky0406 No great loss.

  • @Oneshotrobot97
    @Oneshotrobot97 Před 3 lety +17

    Thanks so much for making vids like this man, your keeping me from literally crawling the walls waiting for mass effect: LE

    • @BigDanGaming
      @BigDanGaming  Před 3 lety +2

      Thanks! Glad you like the vids! Making them is keeping me sane too haha. Can't wait for LE

  • @chillycereal
    @chillycereal Před 2 lety

    I played this so many times. One of the best videos for anyone that hast played it yet are is just getting started. All good content and advice 💯.

  • @josereiban
    @josereiban Před 3 lety +8

    Big Dan is helping me get a perfect trilogy walkthrough.

  • @Dexieboi2013
    @Dexieboi2013 Před 2 lety +22

    The speech check requirements to keep both loyal is pretty realistic. I mean, shepard will need perfect persuasion skills to talk these two out of killing each other

  • @DarKGameR177
    @DarKGameR177 Před 3 lety +4

    Won't say that I got to see anything I didn't know already but I'm sure there are a whole bunch of new players who will benefit from this video! Keep up the good work Dan 👍😁

  • @ivannesterov5821
    @ivannesterov5821 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you, it was really helpful!

  • @FlyingHeadbutt100
    @FlyingHeadbutt100 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for this. Third playthrough of ME2 as I kept tripping up on this, the Shock Trooper buff did the trick.

  • @MarioYt7
    @MarioYt7 Před 3 lety +1

    You deserve more subs man.

  • @Rohitkumar-hn5fr
    @Rohitkumar-hn5fr Před 3 lety +1

    Never loved any video game series then this one. My all time best.

  • @siddharthv2900
    @siddharthv2900 Před 3 lety +27

    You should make a video on mass effect 3 endings and share your thoughts

    • @DarKGameR177
      @DarKGameR177 Před 3 lety +2

      Yeah that would be cool... what if you choose the control ending or synthesis and what would be the possible outcomes, how it will affect the next games in the series 🤔

  • @Camuska
    @Camuska Před 3 lety +7

    Shepard X Miranda X Jack is canon.
    Gotta love the heat of this trio

  • @harm5037
    @harm5037 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank god for this video was fretting over having to go back 6 hours because of the fight

  • @daxbrass8025
    @daxbrass8025 Před 3 lety +5

    Correction, due to how mass effect 2 handles speech checks, it is 80/60 percent of the possible paragon/renegade points the player could have obtained around that point, not 80/60 percent of the bar.

  • @danylcoye8465
    @danylcoye8465 Před 3 lety +4

    I remember losing my mind on this as a kid. Every time I could only pick one or the other. I always put it off until the very end, only chose one morality during dialogue, and it baffled me that the option was never there.
    Then I played the game again at 17 and realized I never put any skill points into my reputation.

  • @lizphillips204
    @lizphillips204 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you so much for this, I’ve spent 10 hours trying to up my paragon to get Miranda and Zaeed on side, turns out I just had to put more points into defender. Thanks from a noob 😊👍

  • @reconer100
    @reconer100 Před 3 lety +8

    Could you do a video where you can see the differences between shepard"s ME1"s Backgrounds? eg Spacer, earthborn, Warhero, Sole Suvivor

  • @aaron75fy
    @aaron75fy Před 3 lety +6

    I remember failing to keep both loyal, I chose Miranda despite my feelings about Cerberus. I tried to get Jack back hearing about how it's possible to do so but laced the required points, so I found myself surprised that despite that fail she survived the final battle. I was always told non loyal team members die, guess the sources missed out on different perimeters that compensate for it

  • @themotivatedmaycry9120
    @themotivatedmaycry9120 Před 2 lety +2

    I'm playing ME2 for the first time and it's kinda ass that telling Miranda to back off is really a dumb way to lose her loyalty at all, I mean she literally stepped outta line so bad.

  • @digitaldeathsquid3448
    @digitaldeathsquid3448 Před 3 lety +6

    From what I've also learned, how much Paragon or Renegade you need seems to be dependent on how much of either you have built up vs how far you've got through the game. On a more recent playthrough, I didn't quite get enough and tried stalling Miranda's loyalty mission until the last possible moment (to the detriment of the Normandy's crew) with a nearly maxed-out Paragon meter but still couldn't diffuse the argument. If I had to impart any advice, it might be worth saving both Miranda and Jack's loyalty missions until much later to build up as much Paragon or Renegade as possible doing other main missions, loyalty missions and side-quests - though I would still advise doing both before obtaining the Reaper IFF so you don't start losing crew members to the Collectors.
    The percentage scores you need also seem to be either a bit lower or inverted for a similar argument between Tali and Legion, but considering you'll likely be doing Legion's loyalty mission last, diffusing the argument between these two should be less of an issue.

    • @Arismory
      @Arismory Před 2 lety +2

      I think the best way to go is to fill up atleast 5 bars totaling both renagade and Paragon,or 5 bars pure depending on how you are doing your playthrough,and then choose shock trooper and equip death mask for a extra bar.

    • @SuperMurray2009
      @SuperMurray2009 Před 2 lety

      @@Arismory That will take forever

  • @elitereptilian200
    @elitereptilian200 Před 2 lety +4

    I'm not sure the paragon meter amount actually matters since I just did this and I only had a smidge under 3 bars on the paragon meter and got the paragon option.. what I think matters more is the amount of paragon points you have at the moment compared to the maximum amount you could have gathered at that point.. either way I'm glad I got it..

  • @feralbunnydonut8495
    @feralbunnydonut8495 Před 3 lety +12

    I could have sworn there was a biotic speech check to break up the Miranda Jack fight also

    • @mega9538
      @mega9538 Před 3 lety +1

      That would be interesting to see

    • @ReallyKeepingFictional
      @ReallyKeepingFictional Před 3 lety +11

      @@mega9538
      Honestly, implementing more of the Class-specific interrupts would be a good idea for ME5. Shows that it lends itself to more than just your style of combat.

    • @eden20111
      @eden20111 Před 2 lety +2

      @@ReallyKeepingFictional you mean 4. Andromeda isn’t considered the sequel to 3, it’s just a standalone expansion

    • @JohnGoetzGaming
      @JohnGoetzGaming Před 2 lety +1

      @@eden20111 more of a spinoff but I agree

  • @krika1119
    @krika1119 Před 3 lety

    Very thorough with the game, so I got the speech check and quashed it on my first playthrough

  • @Arismory
    @Arismory Před 2 lety +2

    Changing my ability to shock trooper and wearing the death mask did the trick.I had to redo the mission about 5 times until I got it to work.Once I changed to shock trooper,I got 4 bars on paragon,which was enough to pass the speech check.

    • @SuperMurray2009
      @SuperMurray2009 Před 2 lety +1

      Yes but Shepard doesnt wear that in this cutscene

  • @KritoSkywaker
    @KritoSkywaker Před 3 lety

    You should make a video about how to get back Tali's or Legion's Loyalty as well. I really wonder how much Paragon or Renegade points you need to make peace with Tali if you sided with Legion during their confrontation.

  • @Insanity5400
    @Insanity5400 Před 3 lety +15

    God i hope this is fixed on the legendary edition, mass effect 2 is a good game but the morality system is kinda broken if only the choices weren't so greedy with their paragon/renegade checks

  • @jv9288
    @jv9288 Před 3 lety +4

    Your vids are really good, i wasn’t planing to buy mass effect trilogy but after watching your videos i already pre-ordered it.
    Thanks

    • @BigDanGaming
      @BigDanGaming  Před 3 lety

      Glad you like them! Hope you enjoy Legendary Edition when it comes out in May! I'm stoked to play the remaster

  • @frozenfoxgames5300
    @frozenfoxgames5300 Před 3 lety +1

    2:20
    I was able to do the paragon choice, and my rank was at 3 bars. Is it like that, because I imported my character from me1?

  • @darkclon123
    @darkclon123 Před 2 lety

    How many Paragon Points I need to recover Jack's loyalty? I have 4 full Paragon bars and I don't have the paragon dialog option enabled yet

  • @jackattacktron1000
    @jackattacktron1000 Před 3 lety

    So wait can i play both paragon and renegade cause i sometimes choose the paragon interrupts but sometimes do renegade ones same thing with conversations and I hardly choose any neutral sentence options.

  • @thundershark8681
    @thundershark8681 Před 3 lety +5

    Did you know when the staff behind off mass effect legendary edition was on interview they said this part was fixed so people doesn't get stressed for not having enough paragon or renegade points to keep the loyalty of both in less words we are gonna need lesser points for keep their loyalty I dont know you but I was so excited about that what do you think everyone

    • @kevinsuleymanov1845
      @kevinsuleymanov1845 Před 3 lety

      OH THANK THE LORD. So does that mean no more doing things in a specific order? Or when to do it? I just need to stick with paragon or renegade and that’s it?

    • @thundershark8681
      @thundershark8681 Před 3 lety +1

      @@kevinsuleymanov1845 i think bit it's not amazing But i still hope the have the infinite Paragon bug i really love it

    • @kevinsuleymanov1845
      @kevinsuleymanov1845 Před 3 lety +1

      I’m assuming you’re from another country and your English isn’t good? No offense

    • @thundershark8681
      @thundershark8681 Před 3 lety

      @@kevinsuleymanov1845 non taken i can speak and have conversations but write it's sometimes my weakpoint

  • @bigmanhelper
    @bigmanhelper Před 3 lety

    Will you do a video on how to keep Tali and Legion loyal?

  • @JohnathonHC
    @JohnathonHC Před 3 lety +4

    I always struggled with this.

  • @wolder16
    @wolder16 Před 3 lety +2

    It's not about how high your par, ren bar only. It's about percentage of your actions. how many paragon actions you made / all actions is the math. You can have full bar and still fail the option of keeping them both loyal. İf you re paragon. You can't do too many renegade actions here and there. Also you can't go this mission too early or too late. More missions you go before this one, increases the chance to lower your paragon or renegade percentage. And if you fail, you have to load early saves. its best to do this mission after jacop, miranda and preferably one more loyality mission. Have a nice day.

  • @felipedamiani1613
    @felipedamiani1613 Před 3 lety +2

    Make a video about the worst choices to start mass effect 3

  • @nikosultraex7391
    @nikosultraex7391 Před 6 měsíci

    hello !! i have 4 bars full paragon and a litlle of the 5 bar but i dont take loyalty both miranda and jack (speech check miranda is grey if i choose jack !! any help?

  • @naufalfajri9184
    @naufalfajri9184 Před 8 měsíci

    I have 4 bars of Paragon and 1.5 Renegade, both of the options are gray and I tried to side with one of them, when I talk to another one all the options are gray too. Same thing with Zayeed's loyalty mission. Help?

  • @nariwashere8549
    @nariwashere8549 Před 3 lety

    Hi. In the fight i chose miranda and Jack is angry now and tells me, why i don't speak with Miranda?. Can i do something that she isn't mad anymore?

  • @thelastcrow5660
    @thelastcrow5660 Před 2 lety +3

    This screwed up my ending the first time I played the game. I didn't have enough paragon points so I had to side with someone. I ended up choosing Jack and lost Miranda in the final battle. If this wasn't enough, I also chose Miranda as leader for the second group the first time, hoping that would regain her loyalty because she insisted (I know, stupid). Because of this Legion died as well.

  • @undyne1
    @undyne1 Před 3 lety +1

    I remember having a hard time getting Miranda's loyalty back since i would always side with Jack because i didn't have enough paragon points for the speach option (somehow). I'm not sure how i wasn't able to use the paragon speach since i had everything maxed out. I only successfully got her loyalty back once but most of the time i had to use the Save Editor to get her loyalty back.

    • @KritoSkywaker
      @KritoSkywaker Před 3 lety

      How much Paragon or Renegade Points you had?

  • @CCGdude09
    @CCGdude09 Před 3 lety

    This is sort of off topic but i wanted to share since i didn’t find a video of it- if you bring Samara and Jack to Ilium, you can have both of them express their view of planet (the small dialogue pieces at random locations with random squadmates). Anyway, when Jack expresses her view of Ilium, Samara actually responds to her lol. It’s quite funny and small but i thought it might be a detail that many people may have missed. Have fun ME players!

  • @TTRPGSarvis
    @TTRPGSarvis Před 3 lety +2

    Piss off Miranda if you have to. Even without loyalty, she has lowest priority for nearly all suicide mission deaths. She can even survive getting sent back to the ship without loyalty.

  • @aurorialgaming1935
    @aurorialgaming1935 Před 2 lety

    So I went into the fight right before IFF with a nearly maxed out paragon and nothing. Miranda wont even let me talk to her.

  • @carloscastel8400
    @carloscastel8400 Před rokem

    I had this scene right after doing Miranda's mission and having both characters loyalty. Then, I Lost Miranda Loyalty and could not save her.
    Was very confusing, so I did another run

  • @Dinool
    @Dinool Před 3 lety +1

    Hi Dan! Could you please make a guide how to make everybody dies during the final mission of Mass Effect 2? I've played ME2 three times as a paragon and I'll really want to play like a total asshole this time.

    • @BigDanGaming
      @BigDanGaming  Před 3 lety +4

      I'm planning on doing this at some point in the next month or so. It's just going to take a little time since I need to play through the whole game from scratch and make all the worst decisions. But this is probably my most requested video lol

  • @henryviiifake8244
    @henryviiifake8244 Před 2 lety

    So to keep them both loyal _and_ still be able to talk to them, "side" with Jack in their argument, then pass the Paragon check with Miranda? 🤔

  • @H3lios227
    @H3lios227 Před 3 lety +7

    Great. See, this is how it all starts. When we're all just organic batteries, guess who they'll blame? 'This is all Joker's fault. What a tool he was. I have to spend all day computing pi because he plugged in the Overlord

    • @stevenstice6683
      @stevenstice6683 Před 2 lety

      EDI likes the sight of humans on their knees.
      That was a joke.

  • @lmn222002
    @lmn222002 Před rokem

    In my playthrough I was 80% paragon and was able to get Jack to be loyal again after siding with Miranda....went down to her area and the blue paragon option was available...as I have like 10% renegade

  • @MrTripleXXX
    @MrTripleXXX Před rokem +1

    My paragon/renegade scores wern't high enough so I chose Jack because even though they were kinda both in the wrong. But I chose Jack because Miranda didn't seem to understand the shit Jack had to go through.
    This happened right after I did Miranda's loyalty mission and told her to talk to her sister. Then this and BAM Miranda isn't loyal anymore. Why is she so angry about this?
    Miranda always died in the suicide mission for me and I hated it.

  • @John_Thomas96
    @John_Thomas96 Před 10 měsíci

    They definitely like each other.

  • @robertdeffenbaugh9004
    @robertdeffenbaugh9004 Před 2 lety

    It’s so impossible to do this in the legendary version.

  • @isaiah8998
    @isaiah8998 Před 3 lety

    How do you get the be a better woman option it won’t let me chose it

  • @lordinvictus793
    @lordinvictus793 Před 3 lety +3

    I tried to regain Miranda’s loyalty with 100% paragon. It didn’t work? Is there some sort of glitch?

    • @Varadero124
      @Varadero124 Před 3 lety +2

      Point is - it is not about 80% (or some other percentage idk) of the paragon bar, but 80% of the paragon you could have obtained overall AT THAT point in the game.
      Example: After the first mission (Freedoms Progress I believe) you could have either (just example numbers, not actual) 30 Renegade or 30 Paragon points, so the maximum
      is 30 (which would be really low on the displayed bar in the menu). Then you visit Omega. Stepping foot on Omega there are (again just example numbers) 70 R or 70 P. So in totale you now COULD have obtained 100 points. Which, in order to pass the check, makes you need 80 points (80%). Taking this example further. Lets say that at some point in the game you now have completed both loyalty missions and have visited various planets. You have done a lot of paragon decisions and you have now 200 Points (your bar seems full). But secretly you COULD have (assuming you would do EVERY paragon decision on EACH "discovered" planet) gotten 300 points. NOW you get to the speech check. And you will fail that because you only have 66% of all possible paragon points up until that point in the game.
      In short: Full bar does not equal you have maxed out this stat. The system in me2 is pretty bad^^

    • @Arismory
      @Arismory Před 2 lety

      You need 6 bars in total even if you have a pure paragon.Shock trooper+death mask is the way to go if you have 5 bars filled.

  • @BoyDugo02
    @BoyDugo02 Před 8 měsíci

    Do their loyalty missions and pass a speech check. There you go.

  • @markomarinic3073
    @markomarinic3073 Před 2 lety

    That were the first 2 Loyality Missions i just wanted to do. Thank God i wanted to know who to take with me on Jacks Mission. And especialy thanks to you man.

  • @amiralisalehi4146
    @amiralisalehi4146 Před 3 lety

    Im finished mass effct 2 bot steel i cant get jack loyal my paragon bar is full and i have two bar renegat what should i do?

    • @Arismory
      @Arismory Před 2 lety

      Try changing your ability to shock trooper and equip the death mask which can be bought on the krogan planet.

  • @allannirvana
    @allannirvana Před 5 měsíci

    Jacob can bite dust for all the care I give about him.

  • @KritoSkywaker
    @KritoSkywaker Před 6 měsíci

    Revisiting this video made me to realize, that I made it done with my Renegon FemShep, that I had the necessary Renegade score to pass the Speech Checks, even if by that time, my Renegon FemShep had 2-3 Bars of Paragon and 4 Bars of Renegade. An interesting playthrough. By the end of the game, my Renegon FemShep had 3 Bars of Paragon and Maxed out Renegade Score. What do you think of this, Dan? 😄

  • @rickygoff3199
    @rickygoff3199 Před 3 lety +1

    I love them both 100

  • @pbentsonable
    @pbentsonable Před 2 lety

    I have 4.5 bars and it still didn’t get the option to do the paragon or renegade options.

    • @soumyajit360
      @soumyajit360 Před 2 lety

      Maybe a bug. I failed this once so loaded an earlier save to get enough paragon points. Worked seamlessly.

  • @cdrjohnshepard2549
    @cdrjohnshepard2549 Před 2 lety

    EDI, start filming on my personal data file 23:5:12.2C. Edit the following interaction between Liara’s Valentine’s Day and Tali’s birthday extravaganza. ……include audio.

  • @hardshell55
    @hardshell55 Před 3 lety

    I had max paragon and it still didn't work

  • @RayHanmaForce
    @RayHanmaForce Před 3 lety

    How do I import my Shepard from Mass Effect 3 to Andromeda ??? Help help damn it

    • @gabeb9495
      @gabeb9495 Před 3 lety +3

      You can't. Andromeda follows a different main character that isn't Shepard from Mass Effect 3.

  • @shadowreaverrising1753

    All that matters is how high your score is. You just blue or red your way out. Ironically you just pick a color but with Legendary Edition it's all too easy.

  • @TheARTY50
    @TheARTY50 Před 10 měsíci

    you can keep the disloyal person alive after the suicide mission. on one playthourhg i sided with jack, then on the loyalty mission i made sure miranda had no responsibilities and she survived despite being pissed at me about jack

  • @10ReasonsWhy
    @10ReasonsWhy Před 3 lety +1

    11 years later, and I still have no idea how the fuck this interaction works.

  • @gergokiss3898
    @gergokiss3898 Před rokem

    GOD DAMIT I HAVE FULL PARAGON AND I STILL CAN'T GET THE SPEECH CHECK DONE THIS IS BS

  • @theseeker7711
    @theseeker7711 Před 3 lety

    Renegade Shepard is a pimp.Fall in line Garden tools

  • @iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013

    TL;DR: As is the case with most of these videos, the answer is: "pass a speech check"

  • @AvengerAtIlipa
    @AvengerAtIlipa Před 11 měsíci +1

    You know, I really hate how ME2 punishes you for roleplaying instead of just mindlessly going 100% Paragon or Renegade in every single interaction.

    • @zackfair6791
      @zackfair6791 Před 7 měsíci

      I agree. The paragon/renegade checks as they are now suck. I think there should be checks, but they should be much lower.

  • @kaismith9388
    @kaismith9388 Před 3 lety

    7:17
    Jack: F*** OFF!
    Me: O_O... ok.

  • @bigeststarspark
    @bigeststarspark Před 3 lety +1

    the thing I hate about mass effect is that if you want 1 freakin dialogue to be available you gotta play the entire freakin game doing either comlpete paragon or renegate which is just utterly stupid - you can't make choices which you want, and if that dialogue wouldn't effect the game much then fine, but nooo, it is the way to play the game says the developer, ugh, one of few things that piss me off in this game series. why couldn't they've done dialogues like lets say fallout new vegas has, that game is sooo good - the dialogues are if not the best I've ever seen in games then they almost are the best, sometimes they're just hilarious

    • @anthonyrapley2315
      @anthonyrapley2315 Před 3 lety +1

      I'm trying to remember from way back when I did it, it might have some checks related to renegade/paragon, but I think it also has something to do with how soon you do each of their loyalty missions when you are first given them. If you do then as soon as you get them, I believe it will allow you to choose the special options. Likely works for tali/legion fight too.

  • @ripvanwinkle7689
    @ripvanwinkle7689 Před 3 lety

    I have 4 bars and a half and still dont get that option or the one with Miranda after the fight

    • @samueledionisi6803
      @samueledionisi6803 Před 3 lety +1

      It's about the percentage of paragon/renegade points you actually acquired throughout the game up until that point, it doesn't matter how full your bar is, that's just visual aid with minimal real impact. I don't remember how much you need exactly to pass the check, but I think it was something like 80% (maybe more) of the Paragon/renegade points the game gave you the chance to acquire.

    • @ripvanwinkle7689
      @ripvanwinkle7689 Před 3 lety

      @@samueledionisi6803 I certainly have acquired more than that I have completed every other mission and almost all choices I did were paragon I dont even have one full bar at renegade

    • @samueledionisi6803
      @samueledionisi6803 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ripvanwinkle7689 I don't know man, If I had to hard guess I'd say maybe you still have some side quests you left uncompleted that could potentially give you morality points at the end. I don't know for a fact, but I suspect the game counts those too.

    • @ripvanwinkle7689
      @ripvanwinkle7689 Před 3 lety +1

      @@samueledionisi6803 the only side quests I have left is to find someone with a use for a forged id on the citadel collect some packages for a salarian in omega and thats it

  • @deano50z
    @deano50z Před 2 lety

    This essentially f*cked up my ending as I had no loyal elite biotics (Samara or Jack) for the Swarm because Samara's loyalty mission is ridiculous (Paragon) and I sided with Miranda well because, she's hot...

  • @arandomuser3178
    @arandomuser3178 Před rokem +1

    I did great on me1 with parogon but with me2 my bar was low for some reason and im hafl way done with the game so i sided with Miranda but i wanted to stop the argument and remain neutral but quess what i didn't have enough paragon because of a specific choice i made so in a few days were i will complete the game jack will die i hope it doesn't ruin war assests

    • @torrebrockman8900
      @torrebrockman8900 Před 11 měsíci

      It does lol

    • @arandomuser3178
      @arandomuser3178 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@torrebrockman8900 i saved her now im on me3 last mission

    • @torrebrockman8900
      @torrebrockman8900 Před 11 měsíci

      @arandomuser3178 nice! Thats good that u saved her because she can die if you didn't do the mission. Anyways ik this is random but who did you romance

    • @arandomuser3178
      @arandomuser3178 Před 11 měsíci

      @@torrebrockman8900 ash and i don't really regret it tali and garrus and perfect same for shep and ash but i feel sorry for liara but we will find her someone she can live about 1000 years

  • @ghostofdestiny3179
    @ghostofdestiny3179 Před 3 lety

    I do either jack or miranda's loyalty last so where I can build up paragon or renegade because I didn't meet the requirements I was mad

  • @themegatonmenace1224
    @themegatonmenace1224 Před 3 lety

    I always like to have the two of them stay friends

  • @zionleach3001
    @zionleach3001 Před rokem

    Play Mass Effect they said, it'll be fun. 😤 This is why I play linear games. No matter what my Paragon or Renegade is never high enough. I lose loyalty either way.

  • @master5gamingandotherstuff490

    Anyone here ship Jack and Miranda?

    • @rancidrance875
      @rancidrance875 Před 3 lety +4

      The game does in the citadel DLC

    • @master5gamingandotherstuff490
      @master5gamingandotherstuff490 Před 3 lety

      @@rancidrance875 yup! But I think they should have just actually hooked up and not teased it 😜

    • @Berek71182
      @Berek71182 Před 3 lety

      nope. But in the end the story is what you want to do. If you pick Jack and Miranda in every mission and fill the gabs with your imagination... there you have it!
      It is kinda usefull to pick Miranda with every other biotic, as long as you bring fully leveled WARP with either Miranda or /and your own shepard, you may get biotic explosions.
      I personally aviod using Jack on insanity dificulty,

  • @ostaruempire
    @ostaruempire Před 3 lety +2

    I don't even like Jack, she got Grunt killed on my gameplay the mission.

    • @thegreyeyedcat9142
      @thegreyeyedcat9142 Před 3 lety +1

      Your Jack needed to be loyal for her to successfully maintain the shield

  • @Perral
    @Perral Před 3 lety

    Honestly, this event is disappointing, given that they declare how they're gonna kill each other if you pass the check, but then has no follow up in 3.

  • @brandonlibby3932
    @brandonlibby3932 Před 3 lety

    It's so hard to side with miranda in this 1

    • @silversnail1413
      @silversnail1413 Před 3 lety +1

      It's easy for me. Jack has a confrontational attitude and acts like an ass to pretty much everyone she interacts with. Am I supposed to take her side and feel bad for her every time someone talks back to her and hurts her feelings? If she can dish it out then she can take it back as well.

  • @DrCoomer_1
    @DrCoomer_1 Před 3 lety

    The biotic 'sexual tension' duo

  • @CICellDirectorCairmann

    First of all if you pick anyone over tali we cant talk

  • @seangardner8965
    @seangardner8965 Před 3 lety

    Wait there no dislikes CZcams must of upgraded their system XD

  • @cherrycordiaI
    @cherrycordiaI Před 2 lety

    I was so annoyed with both of them at this part. I just wanted to shove them both in the Get-Along Sweater until they hugged it out.

  • @KaoticReach1999
    @KaoticReach1999 Před rokem +1

    Miranda really doesn't help her case by going for the throat, 'Clearly you were a mistake'
    Like girl, can you tone it down? Especially to the damaged biotic weapon the organization you were with was the cause? I love Miranda but man there's so many times she's so petty
    Ironically Miranda is the most realistic of a real world Crazy girl, more than Jack, she's hot, but God they have a mouth and toxic af
    There's a reason for the famous phrase *"Don't Sleep with Crazy"*
    You literally just have to apply to her vanity to get Miranda loyal again "Oh poor baby I didn't mean anything by that, I actually agree with you!"
    Miranda: "I should of known

  • @alexispryde5415
    @alexispryde5415 Před 3 lety +5

    i havent cosplayed as miranda in forever i think i might do that .... i'lll have to dye my hair but its totally worth it .

  • @goaway1623
    @goaway1623 Před 2 lety

    Easy answer just take the red or blue answer 😁👍.And i didn't watched the video yet.

  • @johnmacn
    @johnmacn Před 2 lety

    Too many commercials for self promotion. If we like you, we'll check you out. we don't need our time wasted. on a good note, it is a very good video. That in itself sells your channel making us want to check it out. The self promoting taking time away from the video is a big turn off for me.

  • @zackfair6791
    @zackfair6791 Před 7 měsíci

    I don't even care about morality here. I just don't like Jack, so i am not going to side with her on anything. I wish i could tell her to get off my ship.

  • @mat.phoenix
    @mat.phoenix Před rokem

    There is no "threesome" option? Shame on you, Bioware... A great occasion missed. 🤣