Mass Effect 2 - Zaeed's Loyalty (ALL 4 OUTCOMES Plus ME3 Consequences)
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- In this video, we'll explore all four outcomes to Zaeed's loyalty mission in Mass Effect 2, as well as the consequences of your decisions in Mass Effect 3.
0:00 Introduction
1:18 Renegade Outcome - Fry You SOB!
2:47 Paragon Outcomes - Saving the Workers
4:17 Paragon Speech Check - Gaining Zaeed's Loyalty
5:14 Paragon - Failing to Gain Zaeed's Loyalty
6:18 SECRET 4th Ending to Zaeed's Loyalty Mission
7:12 Mass Effect 3 Consequences
7:54 Loyal Zaeed in Mass Effect 3
10:53 Disloyal Zaeed Dies in Mass Effect 3
13:34 What If Zaeed Died in ME2 or Was Not Recruited?
14:19 Catching Up with Zaeed in ME3 If He's Alive - Hry
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic
Love that quote ❤
I use that line all the time
I was in an attempted carjacking and took multiple hits from a metal knockoff police baton. I didn’t really feel it until I was taken off in an ambulance, because I was too busy fighting off the attack
*The Doomslayer approves*
He's a welcome addition to the crew, I like how Chambers voices her concern over his psyche lol.
Imagine buying the Zaeed DLC back in the day and leaving him to die.
Isn't he free?
@@aqua5758 if you bought the game new you got a code. It also got you some weapons and a small amount of side missions. These missions were different. But too short in my opinion.
Dyela he’s such a great strong character tho, I couldn’t leave he’s like a stronger Garrus
@@Thunderbolt210 Zaeed is my favorite team member next to Legion so I'll second that.
@Dyela Same. Plus you only get to see so many squadmates in your epilogue slides in ME3, Zaeed kept popping up and I didn't care what he was up to. I wanted to free up that slide lol
The thing that always made me laugh about me3 is how the points are distributed for the war assets. Like Zaeed, a 50+ year old merc with a surly attitude, is worth 1/3 of the an entire Volus bombing fleet.
Well yeah.
Grandpa’s will has quite the funds for the war effort
It's not just him, he said he is gonna try to reach some old contacts
@@Robert-fc9xz How many contacts do you need to reach out to to have 1/3rd the worth to the war effort as an entire fleet of frigates?
@@attackmaster519 Every mercenary group that heard about his history and peed their pants hearing it.😂
I guess it's in the sense of just how much shit they can get done.
It's spelled out in the form of spectres, they get sent to get shit done what fleets and armies can't. Sure a Volus fleet would wipe out a base or two, but commandos like Zaeed would wipe it out without even a reaper response.
Had Zaeed been upfront about it and not so brazen in his "burn the whole thing down", the team easily could have eliminated Vido without endangering the workers. On the other hand, if Shepard had put in a call to the Normandy, it could have easily shot down Vido's shuttle as he's leaving.
Zaeed was reckless and endangered the mission over his own personal feelings, that shows his flaws as a squad mate. He doesnt think things through before throwing himself at danger. The mission was all about bringing that issue to light and decide if Zaeed would get over it and become loyal or remain stunborn and die. The loyal missions are pure character study.
@@guilhermehank4938 Absolutely. The problem was, taking out Vido was Zaeed's goal from the beginning. Had he been honest and a team player, we could have done that with no problem and saved the workers. He STARTED the fire that endangered the workers because he was pushing an objective contrary to that of the mission. Had he been willing to work as a team, this entire situation would have been avoided. It WAS a good character moment to reveal that solo aspect to him, but I just felt like that part needed some reiteration.
That's one of thing I always find funny about some missions in Mass Effect they just ignore that we have the fastest ship in the galaxy or a whole crew of people that can help out instead of just 3 people per mission.
Normandy could have shot down Balak's ship in Bring Down the Sky too.
@@geth7112 also makes it worse when you play an Adept Shepard.
I have biotics, I can create micro singularities. I can unleash biotic explosions. Why am I shooting this guy with a pistol or throwing a punch???
Never realized how extremely similar this mission is to the conflict Anderson and Saren had prior to ME1.
thats a really good point, glad you caught that
Mostly likely was intentional
You have snapchat??
@@noahrojas5897 bro's down worse than FemShep tryna fuck James
LOL
That Paragon speech check is quite intimidating that it’s almost renegade level
Paragade
@@sparkyboi4387 Only losers drink Paragade!
@@sparkyboi4387 Only losers drink that.
(Reference to Tupari vending-machine in the game.)
Paragon Shepard goes hard in Overlord, too.
@@sparkyboi4387Renegon
You know, one thing just occurred to me. If you complete Liara's DLC before doing Zaeed's mission and you do the Paragon route, you should be able to gain his loyalty by mentioning you know the Shadow Broker and that you can get her to help him track down Vito again once you complete the suicide mission. It would be a nice little detail.
Holy, time to do another me2 run
@@lolmosse7276 It does not happen in the game, but I think it would be nice if it did.
I was able to do that during my run. I was really surprised.
@@zilazilazila Wait it does happen in the game?
@@Doomlovesearth2 looks like you need to do another run to confirm lol
@3:40 Zaeed was so angry his mattock became full auto
it’s like fanning a hammer, those Space Maori have one hell of a trigger finger
🤣🤣🤣bruh
Well the Mattock is a semi-automatic rifle, it's likely in that situation he was just pulling as fast as he possibly could
Plus i think he was shooting with his rage. I bet my ass he shot more than 16 rounds
and the heat sink capacity increased too
One other thing that you get if Zaeed survives in ME3: you'll eventually get a message saying he's requesting money/resources for a project regarding an old, obsolete rifle of his.
Yes, *that* rifle. Play your cards right and he'll bring Jessie out of retirement. I personally can't think of a single war asset I clicked 'yes' on harder.
I know you wrote this over a year ago, but learning this is delightful, thank you!
Krogan
The myth: Fighting them is like fistfighting a tank.
Reality: Armoured Krogan gets KO'd by an unarmed human in civilian clothes.
Thats not just any civilian thats commander shepard dude threw down in hand to hand combat against the shadow broker
@@andrescortes7460 I said "civilian clothes", not that Shepard is a civilian. The point is the dissonance between what we're told the Krogan are (i.e. very, very physically strong) and how this specific Krogan acts (i.e. gets beaten by a barefisted, unarmoured human). Shepard's a badass, but he's still a human.
@@PlebNC Shepherd definitely has the MSTN gene mutation that gives increased strength
arep.med.harvard.edu/gmc/protect.html
its called plot armor dude
@@revengenightmeres It's called a plot hole, dude.
Damn, using a spent thermal clip to ignite an oil slick. That's badass.
Thats not how thermal clips work. They over heat and you have to discharge them.
@@Regular_1094 And the discharged component is referred to as "spent" because at no point in the series is it shown that spent thermal clips are reusable.
@@PlebNC they were in the first game.
@@Regular_1094 No they weren't. In the first game the guns overheated and vented the excess heat. From 2 onwards (barring a set of guns that use the overheat mechanic as a gimmick to callback to ME1) the guns vent the excess heat into thermal clips that are ejected from the gun on reload. When "reloading" a thermal clip you're not adding ammo to the gun, you're inserting a new heat sink that is at acceptable temperature for X number of shots.
@@PlebNC Well, theoretically speaking, thermal clips are in their very nature, heatsinks. barring the very likely possibility of them getting fried due to the intense heat taken in, they should be able to be reused once they cooled enough. dunno how long that cooling process is gonna take though.
Zaeed burning Vito alive is the most metal shit , I can't skip no matter if I'm Paragon
This channel is like the only Mass Effect channel that ACTUALLY shows choices made in the Mass Effect series that affect the later games!
Big Dan really covers everything-he’s an awesome resource for Completionists and anyone who wants to get the most out of the ME trilogy 😸
It's exactly why i stan Big Dan
That’s why Dan is the man 😊
I never had any of the DLC on 360 back in the day, I couldn’t afford it. Now with the Legendary Edition I get to see all this new content for the first time.
Some of the dlc is so good it should of been in the full game to start.
@@predetor911 thank ea
pretty sure that zaeed was free?
@@themars2011 He was part of Cerberus Network, but since I got a used copy the code had already been redeemed
@@dextergrif1052 ah, makes sense! well you probably still have a lot of dlc left for you, have fun :D
Something I think could've been cool was having more squadmates gain alternative loyalty abilities depending on whether or not you complete it paragon or renegade, much like how Samara's mission gives you one of two powers based on if you help Samara or Morinth. Like here, you see Zaeed chuck his thermal clip into the oil to set Vido on fire during the renegade option, which can lead up to his inferno grenades, but then if you did the paragon path, he would get an entirely different power
It does change what upgrade you get depending of Paragon or Renegade. IIRC with renegade you get a rifle upgrade while with Paragon you get a Heavy weapon upgrade (maybe its the other way around).
But I agree that a more substancial change (which power you get) would be amazing.
Personally I wish we had more class specific actions (I think only the engineer has one and its in a DLC). Like on the shooting rage with Garrus (again ME3), it would be great if you would miss the last shot (no paragon points) unless you are a Infiltrator (or soldier) in which case you would have the paragon option or just win. But nope, no class specific actions
I don't think that would necessarily work all that well mainly because it diminishes the Paragon renegade decision to checking a box for build purposes.
@@golfer435 in multiple play throughs it would but the first time the decision is yours as you would not know which power you get
You forgot the upgrades you can get for your weapons in Mass Effect 2 during Zaeed's loyalty mission. Save the workers and you can upgrade your heavy weapon, kill Vido and you can upgrade your assault rifle.
Pin this guy
You can buy the upgrade you missed at Illium, The Citadel or Omega though
After playing this game for like 20 times or so back în the day I can say there are some upgrades that you can't buy if you missed.
You might be right, maybe some things changed or i might have missed.
Assoult
Loved this character, but damn, if you do his mission too early and you're going paragon then he's completely unusable. The fact he’s dlc means you don’t get to have proper conversations with him at all, so no opportunity to regain his loyalty and no real chance to get to know his character or establish any sort of relationship. He’s just there. I have a similar issue with Kasumi.
Also who waits until after the suicide mission to do a loyalty mission?
Agree! I still find Kasumi likeable I think her mission helps with that, but Zaeed I just really struggle to get on board with, you're right he's just...there?
I imported a paragon character which gave me 190 points. Then I use the charm option to obtain discounts at all the stores around omega and citadel, further boosting paragon. Then I do Kasumi's loyalty mission amd them zaeed revenge. It is literally the second mission I do but I always have enough paragon to retain loyalty on paragon path.
@@arjunnath6251 Good to know! I also import a full 99% Paragon, but didn’t realize about the Citadel shops boost (I did those anyway because they were funny and for the discount). I also did the loyalty missions that don’t require morality checks first, leaving stuff like Miranda and Jack’s until later. Thanks for the tip!
@@edielungreen Just One more thing. I imported a lev60 character so I had 10 skill points just after completing prologue. So at the beginning of freedoms progress, I was able to max my infiltrator passive abilty to Assassin, which gave me further 70% conversation bonus. And freedoms progress provides you with extra paragon points, if you gave Tali the geth data in Mass effect 1. So max out your passive abilty ASAP, others can wait.
I always go Paragon and never had any trouble passing the speech check. Then again, maybe they tightened the options for the Legendary edition?
Zaeed is my favorite side kick of all the non regulars .... I think he was animated excellent at the time ME 2 came out and his voice actor God rest him well did a knock out job R.I.P Robin Sachs
Didn't he voice someone in Dragon Age: Origins too? I can't remember the name, but I remember an NPC in that game having pretty much the exact same voice.
@@thesnep4757 yes he voiced Murdock in red cliff.
@@olcanfield6586 That's the one! Crazy, isn't it? Two completely different characters with two completely different personalities by the same person.
@@thesnep4757 it is yea, grunt is also Ogren, and one of the admirals for talis trial is Logain, crazy.
@@olcanfield6586 And Admiral Xen is Morrigan, lol
Just past this part on ME legendary edition, i agree that if zaeed have been open on what was the mission true objective ,he could have archieved revenge ,the best example is garrus loyalty mission
I’m going to say it. He’s the most underrated character in the series.
I love his banter. But sadly you cant really talk with him and unless you bring him with you a lot he became kinda bland. And while he is great to bring for the talk, as a squadmate he is not the best either. I wish they put some more of him because he is underrated but its not difficult to understand why he is normally on the lower side of rank lists.
ps: also Dan did not mentioned how great is when he put bombs all over your new house (if you are romancing Garrus)
I love how he tries to flirt with Samara during the citadel dlc.
He's interesting but underutilized
I wouldn't say he's underrated, but he is underutilized. Same with Kasumi.
No
Letting Zaeed kill Vido is one of my favorite cutscenes, and is also what made me like him as a character.
Good to know he gets Vido in the end.
I'm glad Vido got what was coming to him, even if you save the plant workers in ME2.
He doesn't deserve to be reaper goo. That means they harvest you for knowledge purposes and absorb your essence as a collective. He deserves to burn, hes lower than scum.
SHEPARD!!
The secret outcome is quite brutal
I can never understand why Shepard cant just order the Normandy to shoot down Vido's shuttle. Feels like a forced outcome by the devs rather than a natural consequence of your choice
There are times where ParaShep almost scares me more than ReneShep, gaining Zaeed's loyalty here is one,
basically using an old man's trauma to make him shut up.
and in the overlord DLC, where he tells Gavin Archer his pistol will be waiting for him if he goes after David
Killing with kindness since 2006
Damn it, I’ve played Paragon this whole time and for this mission I went Renegade.
....I didn’t realize they were gonna make me listen to the screams of the burning workers 😭
I sacrificed the workers just so I could get the assault rifle upgrade 😂
hell if i knew that i would have done the same
they were working for the Blues, there arent innocent. Just "non combants"
@@madkabal The Blues occupied the mining station and took them all hostage, likely threatening to kill them if they didn't work.
They actually ARE innocents.
Well when you leave them to die they blow up like 4 seconds later. To me I'm like "oh well theres no way I was gonna make it in time anyway".
I needed zaeed. He is a helluva soldier. Those people were gonna die when the reapers invaded anyway. Massani is needed for the war effort. Play the long game.
Even on my paragon characters I usually leave the workers to die, my reasoning is that Vito is a piece of shit and does this kind of thing all the time. If he's let go then he'll do way more damage to innocents than just the few workers at this factory.
For the greater good I suppose
I just can't really bring myself to care about a bunch of nameless NPC's
@@ColonelBragg If you don't care for some nameless NPC, high chance you wouldn't care for some nameless people too 😬
Finally someone with the same reasoning
I do it for the AR research data.
Here's why I always take the renegade route:
-Assault rifle weapon upgrade (I mostly play as a soldier)
-No need to worry about having enough paragon points.
-Badass cutscene, the way Zaeed takes out Vido is like an action movie.
-Vido is the leader of a major mercenary gang, taking him out would weaken the Blue Suns (similar to how killing Balak weakens the Baterians) sacrifice a few to save more.
-I couldn't accept that Zaeed would be loyal after Shepard after just talking with him. 20 years is a long time for hatred to build up I doubt Zaeed could focus on the mission just because Shepard gave him a lecture. If it were me I would still be distracted and would secretly harbor resentment against Shepard.
-Also Zaeed mentions that he’s only going along for the money, thats not loyalty, to really gain his loyalty Shepard needs to do something *for* him. Would it make sense to gain Samara’s loyalty if Morinth gets away? Or gain Miranda’s loyalty if her sister gets taken? The squad needs a clear head and to establish a relationship with Shepard and I felt this was the best way.
I like how no one is mentioning how Shepard somehow managed to overpower a Krogan barefisted.
Mind you Shepard also fought hand to hand with a Yahg (Shadow Broker in this case). A species so violent they massacred Council's first contact team and got quaranteened for this and Reapers themselves seem to avoid in this cycle (its in the description of their planet in ME3).
@@smiglo112 He had a full set of armor on back then, while said yahg was technically in his business suit (despite holding a big gun & a shield). in this one, however, the krogan's in full armor while Shepard is only wearing civie clothes.
@@FalconWindblader He also had shields and wore armour both of which show on his health bar.
Not to mention that Shepard engaged him in hand to hand combat.
And that's after he threw a desk with enough force to knock out anyone you might've taken as your 2nd companion including a genetically engineered Krogan (Grunt) or a robot (Legion).
Wait so Shepard just one taps the Krogan that killed Zaeed? C’mon man I though you were tougher than that.
Shepard possesses remarkable physicality. Remember the Shadow Broker fight, it was a Yahg. Also, for patriarch's side mission, Shepard and Co easily dispatched several Krogan assassins with him stunning a Krogan with kicks and punches. The average Krogan is a cake walk for him.
Shepard can also do 183 pull ups. Because he is a cybernetically enhanced freak of nature.
Well i think in that cutscene, shepard disarms the krogan and shoots him instead of punching him to death
@@GuitarGuy057 nah its just good genetics, Shepard is kick ass in me1 too, remember how she/he ko's Wrex with one hit before shoots him.
@@jtm1979
Irrelevant. Dude weighs like 300lbs now.
I just let him kill vido cuz it gets things moving and secures his loyalty without any issues. The one renegade option I always pick.
The other renegade option I pick is shooting the artifact in the dude’s vault for Kasumi’s loyalty mission.
@@starwart2000 I always do that one. And kicking the merc out of the window in thane recruitment
I'm doing a mostly Paragon run, but I take every Renegade interrupt so I guess I'm just chaotic neutral.
Don't forget using the tool to kill the mechanic Kathca. Sabotageing the gunship.
Didn’t really care for Zaeed when I first meet him in ME2 but he sure grows on you... and love the Shore party DLC part 😁
I´m sure that there are other missions as complex as this one, but you have to appreciate the amount of though they put into every possible outcome. I don´t think we´ll ever get a universe as true and detailed as Mass Effect.
Considering what an ass Din Korlack was to you in Mass Effect 1, I'd let Zaeed beat him senseless.
Imagine surviving a burning factory full of Blue Suns with flamethrowers and Mechs, metal debris falling on you, a suicide collector base mission with terrestrial weapons never seen before... only to die a weak ass death by the hand of some random krogan that has him bleed out.
I just cant wait for may 14th these videos are teasing me!
you cant believe how incredibly helpful this is!
Best mass effect channel. You think of LITERALLY EVERYTHING
I felt so bad seeing shepherd leave him to die here
I originally left him to die on my first play through as I did all the dlc after I finished the game. Didn’t realize that the option wasn’t available before the suicide mission.
Damn, the amount of people who let the workers die is...shocking.
Like, this is not something like letting Garrus kill Sidonis.
These are civilians getting burned to death just so one guy can get revenge. And who would not feel bad at all.
When I first played the original me2 I played a Paragade. This was one of those times and was my first run blind. I had no idea what to expect and it pained me greatly but HAD to secure Zaeeds loyalty. It was too risky to go the paragon option as back then checks were harder to get and needed higher points. I feel bad for those civies but had no way to get Zaeed loyal and in my head I needed every specialist focused. It's my canon choice and I'll,never change it. Sometimes Specters have to make tough calls like this.
Well, i personally went fuck loyalty & saved the workers instead. killing innocents DELIBERATELY when it's unnecessary just ain't how i roll. & if there's a bastard in my crew who's all fine with doing something so horrific, i won't care if he lives or dies in the upcoming big one, more so if he's technically expendable just like everyone is. a guy like that just ain't worth my time, friendship, & hell, even attention for the most part. however, i do see why some would just let the workers die instead. again, technically speaking, keeping an asset functioning well for the upcoming suicide mission, is objectively speaking, a far higher priority than the lives of some civilians, especially given that trillions will die if we fail our mission & the Reapers come knocking anyway.
@@FalconWindblader that's why in my first and second game (the one that i'm doing right now) i saved the innocents
I was like "i don't like your damn morality, i'm helping you because of business but you've crossed the line, my crew are like my damn family but you're acting like a moron and killing civilians isn't the way how i work"
So yeah, i didn't care about loyalty with Zaeed, i risk myself by destroying his chance of revenge but i'm a soft guy and i don't like seeing innocent people die. (man,i even tried to save the illusive man and Saren)
People say about Jacob is awful (and is an asshole) but i really hate Zaeed in my first game, now i think is a bit of a douchebag but after seeing him in Mass Effect 3...i kinda like him (specially when i compare him with Javik)
@@FalconWindblader Lol make the copium excuse all you want. I always go paragon but there are 3 rules of renegade. 1. Talis loyalty mission to tell her family FUCK OFF. 2. kai lengs sword break. 3. This mission. If you go paragon on either 3 missions, you're just a punkish spectre. You gotta get your hands dirty. Also the codex officially stated that if he did get away, he planned to make his horrid "business" expand 10 fold. A super space slaver leader all over the milky way with numerous aliens? YEAAAAAAH NO. Sometimes making a harsh call is what you need to do.
@@zirconmetalgods254 Well YOU don't get to make the rules when to be a paragon or not. you wanna make your own exceptions, fine, be my guest, but going to judge others because they don't follow YOUR exceptions, you're just another punk yourself. besides, that asshole PLANS to make his operations 10x worse or whatever. that DOESN'T mean that he'd definitely succeed doing so or even live to do so. there're other spectres out there who'd go about dealing with shitheads like him, & there's always the option of coming back to track that shithead down AFTER the suicide mission. Shepard DOESN'T only work when he's in the game after all.
You wanna ignore the civilians & take down the uncertain rogue element right there & then, that's your call. i'd take the CERTAINTY of saving those right in front of my eyes any day, thank you. & besides, like i said, i don't like Zaeed all that much to begin with.
love Zaeed. never understood why the normandy couldn't just shoot the shuttle down as it was leaving
The way ME2 handled everything, you'd think that the Normandy was just some huge-ass interstellar bus that you use to get around instead of being one of the most advanced warships in the galaxy. the Normandy does next to nothing noteworthy until the suicide mission itself.
NGL, Zaeed just throwing his thermal clip instead of shooting the fuel pool is so much more badass.
4:47 well that was an early teasar for Mass Effect Andromeda back in 2010 . Just look at the gun
I get it!
I thought she was offering him the gun 😂
@@Aaroboe she is
This is one of the few times I actually move onto the Renegade side.
Having a video where you show all outcomes and the consequences in 3? Thanks for the hard work man
Must admit, his Loyalty Mission sure has parallels to David Anderson's and Saren Arterius' mission together.
At least he has onscreen closure on the Renegade route. Vido's fate on the Paragon route come ME3 is unfortunately cut dialogue with Zaeed, (he was abducted by the Reaper forces' Harvesters, all while Zaeed and a team of his own making was supposed to take him out, no loose ends), but thankfully, the LE fixed this, as shown in 15:12. (Why isn't this listed on the ME Wiki's showcase of fixes in the LE though?)
The fact that Zaeed actually *walked away* and let the Reapers take Vido rather than putting him down once he gets the opportunity is ice fucking cold.
RIP Zaeeds VA.
Zaeed was one of those characters who I always start off disliking, every playthrough. His egotistical confidence swagger peeves me off initially. But then we hear the stories, the citadel DLC banter, the "ill do it myself" attitude is tricking amazing. Zaeed is one of those characters that has great depth, start off hating, end up loving every time.
Love your work Big Dan, I just played this mission for my first time and I wanted to see what else I could do. Thanks for the good Mass Effect content!
I missed that line about Paragon Zaeed taking out Vido on his own before 3, thanks for that!
Also you missed the funniest Zaeed part of Citadel - the Quiet Party where he and Garrus booby trap your entire apartment out of boredom 😁
The blowing up the shuttle port first was a nice touch lol. Zaeed is a merc that learns from past mistakes.
RIP Robin Sachs.
Oh, I'm glad he got Vido in the end. I felt bad for letting him get away, but saving the miners comes first.
When I did this mission I ended up saving the people trapped inside simply out of spite for Zaeed disobeying my command. My Shepherd, while slightly more renegade than paragon, she simply doesn't stand for defiant crew members. I then proceeded to never use him again.
Like I said, Zaeed and Kasumi were the first 2 characters, I completed their loyalty missions. And since I had more than one bar Paragon Points (Even two bar Paragon Points, can't really recall), I was able to gain Zaeed's Loyalty.
So which one worth it save the workers or Kill him
@@gibbyfraustro2509
If you have enough Paragon Points for the speech check, then you can save the Workers. If you Renegade, then go after Vido.
So you need only one bar ?
@@excelsiusprime
Techniquely I'm not sure. But let us say, that I did the Loyalty Missions for Zaeed and Kasumi, before I went to get Jack. So techniquely I was at the beginning. But if I'm correct, you can do it with one bar. Just make a backup save before the mission, in case if I'm wrong. 😅
@@excelsiusprime I just played that mission, with paragon points over 2 bars & STILL i didn't pass that speech check. i'd say you'd definitely need 3 bars at least to get that option.
Those poor workers screaming in the background if you leave them tho...
Those poor future enslaved aliens, women & children that are human if you let him go though. hundreds of them, maybe thousands. All cause you can't get your hands dirty since you heard screaming.
Oh no, Vido is getting away on a plane. If only we had some way to pursue him. Some kind of ludicrously fast flying vehicle. Maybe one with state of the art weapons and sensors and an illegal AI.
Oh well. Back to the Normandy.
It is a sin to kill the angry grandpa
@N7Andy facts saddest day of my life when I found that out
Zaeed: what the hell you looking at?
Batarian: nothing! Nothing
I fucking hated this mission on Full Paragon playthroughs, I always had to save it for dead last in order to stay on paragon choices and still get his loyalty.
Dead last? This shit was my third loyalty mission and I clear it with Zaeed alive and loyal during Paragon every time.
I didn't even do any of the dlc missions either. No Shadow Broker, no heist, and no Overlord.
@@adamvialpando106 For some reason in the original release I always needed an exceedingly high amount of Paragon points to keep him alive and loyal, no matter what point I tried it he just wouldn't be loyal unless I did this mission last.
? I mostly played Paragon but when talking to Zaeed in ME3 he never brings up Vido, I even put a post talking about this. I have played through the game in both Paragon a Reneage runs multiple times and he never brought up the Vido dialogue in ME3 when I talk to him, it was always the renegade dialogue. Seriously I was quite shocked at hearing that dialogue at the end of this video...... also shows the value of waiting till the end of a video before you comment.......
You will be surprised at how much these games mess up in the carrying over of data
@@guilhermehank4938 Ya Conrad Verner is a prime example, it also happens with Jacob in ME3 as the game won't flag which action you took with his father so he won't deliver the dialogue.... thankfully on PC we can edit the save to fix the issue..... hope these are fixed in the Legendary Edition.
@@Trialwolf Something tells me that they probably wont, its current Bioware we are talking about. Legendary Edition will just improve the graphics, some bugs will be dealt with and Miranda's backside is censored (because that type of artistic liberty annoys the crowd that probably wont buy their game). They rarely do even the bare minimun nowadays.
@@guilhermehank4938 its only censored for the sister dialogue.
@@CornNNNick it's such a small thing and yet why even bother?
If I had a choice after making Liara the new Shadow Broker and could do it, I would have put a good amount of Credits to give Zaeed Vido's location. I save the workers and pass the speech test every time, but in my eyes it's only good to make it right. Plus he would probably had plenty for his gun to fix Jessie to thirst for more blood after that, especially on Vido.
Doesnt Liara fix it for him anyways in ME3?
@@alexanderblack4833 NOT to my knowledge. There is like a shopping list he's got that lists parts for him to fix Jessie
Hell, given your connection to Liara & how rich she already is being THE Shadow Broker, you wouldn't even need to pay her to track Vido down. with her kind of resources, she could literally track that bastard down in mere days, or weeks, latest, & all you needed to do was just ask. it's a pity that the devs & writers never thought about that part back then. but then again, there's no reason they would have noticed, given how they managed to even overlook the fact that the Normandy was a warship & was VERY CAPABLE of shooting something that's smaller than it is.
I know leaving the workers to die is sort of fd up, but I feel like in the long run taking vido out is the best choice
Best way to think about it, when the Reapers hit the Minos Wasteland System they attack Zorya cause it had factory complexes, those people would be dead anyway.
I’m happy that in the end Vito still gets what coming to him if you go paragon
Legends dont look back at explosions.
I can't hear Zaeed without having Redcliff flashbacks. Robin Sachs had a wonderful voice.
Zaeed gets a lot of hate for some reason, but he's actually one of my favorite characters in the whole trilogy. Maybe because I play as an Earthborn Shep, and even though she mostly goes Paragon, still has that rebel streak in her. Zaeed is like a father to her in some ways, her renegade father (because Paragon Dad will always be Anderson). I just love hearing Zaeed's stories, and his voice acting is excellent. RIP, Mr. Sachs.
Too bad their interactions are fleshed out so thinly & Zaeed's build, as a whole, is just so redundant & forgettable (if we want badass hard-hitters, we already have Garrus & Grunt after all). unlike Kasumi, the other DLC crew with an actual unique build, nuance, & a lot more notable interactions with Shepard, Zaeed's written as just some typical hired muscle (who got realllly good with his job, no doubt) with scores to settle. hell, his crazy ass stories about killing & blowing stuff up are the only thing interesting about him. damn wasted potential.
There's also Assault Rifle Upgrade(Renegade) VS Heavy Weapon Ammo(Paragon) to consider. Personally, even though I'm usually Paragon, I'd go for the Assault Rifle.
What happens when you kill the boss of the blue sons before recruiting archangel?
Doesn't really affect anything. The Blue Suns seem to operate in chapters than a multi-tiered organization. What one group does on a particular planet doesn't seem to cross a chain of command so even though Vido is the founding boss of the organization it seems that he has no umbrella over all the groups, so what the Blue Suns do on Omega does not register with Vido's operations on Zorya and vice-versa.
@@newelljoseph5060 i tried it out - literally nothing happens - zaeed doesnt have a single line of dialogue
This should be THE mission for unique zaeed dialogues but nothing
The choice of leaving Zaeed to die has so much of that "leave the bad guy to die alone" cliche found in Hollywood scripts, but Bioware pulled off the Hollywood feel so well in Mass Effect 2 that it honestly felt like I was watching a TV series while playing this game.
Hey I've got a question, what happened if you didn't go to the moon at ME1 , what will EDI say at ME3 ? is there any change? I know that usually she says she tried to kill shepherd , but if he sherd wasn't there ?
Shepherd says that they heard the reports and that it was ugly business
The morality system in 3 is so good, it allows you to have so much fun with choices.
2:33 Badass scene though
Zaeed's VA is the best.
I need to do a paragon playthrough one day... but I personally would be a renegade and so I play as one. People aren't worth going out of the way to save - this is true in real life and in games.
What could possibly be more important than Zaeed Massani not getting bested by some fucking kids' game?
FYI, if you save the refinery, you get war assets...
No you don't, you get access to a Heavy Weapon Upgrade... which is much better as it gets you access to the Cain sooner.
Shit seeing Zaeed die felt so heartbreaking. His cursing quips were always so funny to listen to.
Always rollin w Zaeed in the party.
What Zaeed did is a paralel to what Saren did on the mision with capitan Anderson. By not saving workers you stand against Anderson and yourself.
I don't know which option sounds like the best. I mean given the story of Mass Effect 2 the idea of someone being too crazy to take on the suicide mission is appealing in a role play perspective, but then again I can't resist those juicy war assets in Mass Effect 3.
The problem is that you can only leave him behind AFTER the suicide mission. So its more Shepard taking care of a mad dog for the future instead of choosing what is best for the suicide mission
@@marpj6138 True, hopefully they'll fix that in the Legendary Edition. If not then the war assets will be the best choice.
Love how Zaeed casually shoots through a gunship's shields, armor and the personal shield and armor of a merc, killing him
Inferno Grenade is my favorite special ability.
I didn't think twice about leaving the factory workers, the mission was to gain Zaeed's loyalty and I wasn't about to put that a risk for some randoms that I knew he didn't care about
There’s not enough galaxy for my Shepard and Zaeed. I was waiting for any chance to kill him off.
Love the renegade option
I find it kinda badass how shepherd will just dispatch the mercs if zaheed died, like he is unarmed and unarmored but still takes out a human and a krogan
Are we just going to ignore the fact that Zaeed just FULL AUTO'ED A MATTOCK!?
How is that even possible???
This mission is always so irritating as a paragon player. Zaeed is one of my least favorite squad mates in ME2 and this mission is one of the only missions I remember where you have to go renegade in order to actually keep up with the original objective.
He gets a bit more respectable in ME3 tho, so that’s why I keep him alive and loyal, and because I don’t feel right having him die, even if he’s an ass the whole time
*Zaed dying* "Helluva fight"
Sheppard *Gently pushes the Krogan over*
Zaeed reminds me a lot of Hackett. Both ruthless, both have a grudge against Batarians and both vengeful. In my opinion revenge never leads to anything good so being paragon makes sense. Zaeed can mope and be hypocritical all he wants but disciplining him here is satisfying. Shoving a gun in his face for the second time is badass.
I agree, just took the Renegade route to try it out but feel kinda bad. Zaeed was UNHINGED during the whole mission and needed to be put to place instead of giving him what he wanted. Because of this, leaving the innocent people behind never felt justified to me. It was like sacrificing them so that an old butt hurt outlaw can have his petty revenge. Not very Shepard-like if you ask me, so I think the 'Paragon' path is the correct one here.
Also, the dilemma could've been easily solved by splitting up or asking the Normandy to go after Vito's ship.
3:44 I always give Zaeed a Mattock too, despite the fact it's not an automatic. He goes full-Sicario.
i always take the renegade path with this mission
Lol the hell? Shepard really said “I’ll call an ambulance.” Not a medic, or the paramedics but a damn ambulance.
It's worth nothing that this is the one mission in ME2 that makes you pick one research scan or another. There's one on each path so my planned Insanity Paragon Shepard is gonna go Renegade here for the exclusive assault rifle damage upgrade.
What a weakling
@@Assassino275 I always play Paragon but I always help Zaeed and let the workers Die its just the best ending overall
It’s interesting how Din Corlack doesn’t seem to remember meeting you in ME1. He’s the volus ambassador that you can have a small conversation with. Doesn’t seem to recall talking to Shepard for some reason?
Is it just me or did a lot of ppl get the legendary addition and now their being a regenade or am I alone there?
Back when I was younger, I used to be pure Paragon. Now as an adult, I like to entertain myself a little more and give Shepherd a little more personality. 😂
Nope Renegade in Mass Effect 1 2 and 3 (not 100% though)
it's even more beneficial in 2 & 3 because you're eyes start to Glow .
you give me the option to have glowing eyes I'm taking that route,
Did the same thing in Fable
it's more fun to be "the protagonist "
being the "hero" is overrated
Hmm. I would have thought of the renegade options as selfish and childish whereas the paragon represents something more challenging and mature.
@@xzcrimzonomegazx9143 Like you'd know - you're just an npc. (whoops - accidentally picked the renegade option)
@@xzcrimzonomegazx9143 The best part about the glowing eyes and Sith looking face, is that Shepard fully acknowledges it in the ME3 Citadel DLC. The banter with him and Garrus during it is gold.