Kai Havertz is MISUNDERSTOOD- The Raumdeuter Role, and HOW Havertz will fit Mikel Arteta’s Arsenal
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- The video analyses the Raumdeuter Role, coined by Thomas Muller, in football, and how it applies to Kai Havertz play-style.
I argue that we as football fans have misunderstood Havertz importance as a player and signing for Arsenal for this very reason.
His ability to drift into dangerous half spaces, anticipate and be in the right place at the right time, find pockets of space across the final third make him the perfect signing for Arsenal.
Signed for £60-65 million pounds, I will then use this new information to explain how Kai Havertz will fit into Arteta's Arsenal system as a Raumdeuter, and make sense of a transfer that initially confused many, but has me very excited.
He also contributes defensively, with intense pressing, but this is NOT a reason for him being able to play the left-hand sided number 8 position for Arsenal I make clear. There has been quite a bit of debate surrounding where Havertz will play specifically under Arteta in the 2023/24 season, but his ineffability and Raumdeuter qualities make this redundant- he will occupy each position of our front line and midfield at some point.
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The best example of this type of player in recent time is Thomas Muller. I always wondered why Muller seems to disappear in 90% of a game until he pops up and scores or assists. You explained it perfectly well.
Thank you man. Yeah Muller is the archetypal Raumdeuter. In the PL, probably names like donny van de beek, delli alli in recent times
So basically the Xhaka role last season.
@@josephjasem7926 or what the xhaka role was supposed to be. Although Granit was good, he was very rigid in the box and lacked the clinicality to play that role like Thomas Muller.
@@piusokwu3560I'd argue that he was pretty clinical in 22/23, surpassing his xG of 4.28 to score 7 goals. I think the "issue" with Xhaka was his mobility/agility with the ball which Harvertz might be better at.
muller literally coined that term
The idea of Rice and Havertz, and Jesus, and Odegaard, and Trossard all combining, that is an incredible amount of control. That’s powerful. They can all score from far, and pick a killer pass, beat a man and stick it in the net. We will pepper a few teams this season.
Dynamics are frightening I agree!
Makes you wonder if we were ever really interested in Mudryk. Trossard seems so much better suited to Arteta's vision.
@@TWW-zk9gwWe were but Arteta openess and football IQ is making Trossard look like that's the plan all along. Also, I think Arteta would have probably make Mudryk work but in a different way.
I know how we all look at players like fifa positions but most coaches look at profiles and areas or zones of a pitch where players can get the best possible outcome in the attack
Griezman...Joao Felix....Muller...Firmino. they are many. They all dont have specific positions, they are just there to score goals
joao felix and score goals in the same sentence 😭😭😭😭dkm
Unreal content mate
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@@harveygrationcan't wait to see what Arteta plans with Kai...with timber and Rice we have the clue.
Could be really exciting to see Arteta implement a Raumdeuter next season. I also see Smith-Rowe challenging Havertz for this role and deputising for him in cup competitions. Both tall with great ball striking and a nack for arriving in areas at the right time. Also both are great at dropping into pockets and linking up! Will add some needed unpredictability!!
Totally agree
How tall is ESR ?
@@jasperatighe5967 People have been reporting that since being with the first team he’s continued to grow. When you look at training pictures and he’s with guys like Gabriel he doesn’t look too far off. I actually met him at a festival in 2019 and he seemed a good 5’10 - 5’11. Would definitely believe he’s at least 6’0 - 6’1 now.
@@ic3464 Ok. Can't wait to see him next season.
@@ic3464he is 6.0 now and probably still growing.
First time coming across your channel, never heard of you but you earned a subscription today! Great content!
Most of the conversations on Havertz have revolved around replacing Xhaka and the left 8 position. That shows the limitations in the understanding of football, in contrast to a licensed coach.
Exactly. Havertz will NOT replace Xhaka in the 8. That is something I’ve made very clear across both Havertz videos. The 8 next season is still yet to be known…
Real unique insight
It actually makes teams that do this well interestingly positioned. If the opposing team plays attacking football they seem to have a better chance of scoring. Not so effective when the opposing team packs the back
Yeah nice point. Would say with the movement Arsenal have in their front 5/6 players though…with Havertz operating as part of this, low blocks will find it v difficult!
Fantastic content. Love your vid. Looking forward for more vid like this.
Thank you so much. Very kind of you!
That was really entertaining and informative. Well done!
Thank you so much!
Dude... Great stuff My brother and I have been debating this position that I call a random man for about 10 years now
Whenever I told people I rate havertz they would ask me what position does he play and I always say on the pitch that’s his position but their little brains couldn’t comprehend as they think every player should have a fixed position 😂😂 for me kai havertz has a position that the regular football fan won’t ever understand which is just put him on the pitch let him be free don’t give him no job and he will do a job actually more than a job
Thank you!!
Clean analysis and the depth of understanding really stand out. More power to you! I have recommended this channel on other footballing / FPL forums. Go well Harvey.
Such a kind comment. Can’t thank you enough ❤️
You are one of the few who actually understands havertz...
Hes a cross between muller and RvP..... And hes on my fpl team for a reason.
As a former coach myself I like the tactical breakdown and explaination to how Havertz is best deployed to suit his attributes.
My own interpretation in light of the volume of negativity that erupted upon our interest becoming public and intertwined with the ill conceived notion that we'd imitate the folly of Chelsea in playing him at center forward, or adding 2 + 2 together and counting 5 in him being the replacement for Xhaka, is that he'll be the attacking midfielder with license to link across the front 3 as well as break from midfield in a similar fashion as Eden Hazard used to do for Chelsea in not being shackled to a specific position.
However, in order to accommodate this attacking reinforcement and reap the dividends, my preference would be to move away from a back 4 with a full back inverted as an auxiliary midfielder but instead have a dedicated back 3 along with a proper defensive midfielder anchoring the base of midfield so Rice and Odegaard can dictate the center of the pitch in front of him while he effectively becomes an auxiliary defender, pretty much a reversal of what we did with Zinchenko last season.
@theomattew5286 like Jon stones?
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment :) I think the exciting thing about next season is that we still don’t know which direction Arteta may evolve in. So many new potential dynamics!
@@EmperorDraconianIV Yes. Hence I think there is genuine milage to the notion that we now have the perfect candidate for such a conversion and to even surpass the effectiveness, productivity and efficiency of the City man in Jurrien Timber.
Thank you, really I appreciate your views and football analysis the way you present it. I have been attended EPL for the last 25 years, you gave a good lesson regarding this Raumdeuter players like Kai Havertz, Thomas Muller, Donny Van De Beek etc. We will see how Mikel Arteta utilises Kai Havertz in a properly way efficiently and effectively. time will tell us.
It's my fiest time watching your youtube channel. And my first vid to watch is analysis of our preseason game against Barca. As i was still watching, i had no choice but to subscribe and receive all notifications from you. You explain exactly what I think and answering questions that i had. You're a genius.
Can’t say i agree with you, but that’s so kind so thank you ❤️
Great Content, enjoyed watching every bit of it!
Such a kind comment thank you for taking the time out of your day :)
Great vid. I learned Raumdeuter today and I think your take of Havertz as a “project topper” is very insightful. Many thanks. Liked and subscribed.
Much appreciated thank you!!!
just looking back, and this video was like a prophet, telling us what Arteta would want from Kai, and now everything is just like how you predicted. Great job.
😂 thank you! He’s a totally unique profile. Glad we have him ❤️
@@harveygration exactly .. and there are still people comparing him to Xhaka, which they are completely two different types of players with different roles.
Not saying this is already a success but everything is just making sense now; and you were the first one to point that out. 👍
Lovely stuff! Keep it going 🟥⬜
Brilliant. Thank you for making this in depth video. I was sceptical about this signing, but now can't wait to see how he plays for us next season.
Thank you so much that is brilliant to hear! Think the environment is perfect for him here but we will see!
Make more videos mate love your tactical analysis
Yeah, mate, you're right on point. One recent one recent raumdeuter at Arsenal was Aaron Ramsey. I'll rest my rants at his signing. Thanks for the clarity
Thank you so much, that means people who are out criticizing Kai Havertz, might swallow their words
Yeah we will see but…could be some humble pie around
They’re eating their words now I tell ya
Excellent analysis, your channel is top tier. I heard you speak of your love for Nketiah, would be facinating to hear your take on him.
Thanks for such a lovely comment! And yes of course I can do something :)
Me too on Eddie’s breakdown and perhaps Balogun- differences in profile
Keep up the good work bro keep these videos coming 💪🏾 👌🏾 🙌🏾 🙏🏾
Thanks so much!!
Great video & content bro👍🏽👍🏽
Thank you for taking the time to comment ❤️
great analysis keep it pushing man !
Thank you so much. I appreciate it!
NIce to see the positive gooner channels cropping up, subscribed.
Such a good take - great content. Really interesting to hear the breakdown of the physical uniqueness of the role.
Very disappointed to see the fan response to this signing. The same 'fans' that believe the links to Mbappe are the ones throwing hate on this. Havertz is a really intelligent player with a disruptive ability. Chelsea have not had this type of framework for a long time now.
People also forget he bagged 18% of all Chelsea's goals in the prem last year too.
Thank you- totally agree 🙏
Love your work. Looking forward to your future videos
Thank you for such a nice comment :)
Some great analysis of the player type the Harvetz is, I have always found him very gifted and technical but quite feable for an attacks but he has always shocked me with the number he rakes in. I am now a lot more excited to figure out what Artea is cooking up with him in his system.
Great work man, beautiful analysis , can’t wait to see what he adds to the fluidity of our attack
Thank you for such a nice comment!
At 1st I was thinking what the hell is he going on about, but after listening for a minute or two I realised he really knows what he's going on about. Very easy to listen to too. Keep going, personally I prefer a stat breakdown than a podcast because it's more interesting. Defo subscribing.
Ok. My frost time seeing this channel, and because I give myself deeply to understanding the ideology of Johan Cryuff, Pep and Arteta; i was absolutely impressed with your explanation of the role of Havertz because I rate him as the biggest signing of Arteta, similar to Odegaard! I know Rice is coming but I’m not excited about him like I am about Havertz!
Last season we suffered a lot with Xhaka. I used to tell people that Xhaka was a weak link in interpreting the way Arteta wants him to play; but credit to Xhaka, he went all out to prove how much he really wanted to evolve, but Havertz will shine in the same education, far more than Xhaka could ever have managed.
Credit to Arteta, he allowed Xhaka to leave at his best getting a 5 year contract we couldn’t give him.
I hit SUBSCRIBE! Keep it up 👍🏾
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it :) I’m very excited for Kai as well…
Great Content and Great Presentation!
Thank you for taking the time to comment really appreciate it!
Insightful. Goid job.
You got a new follower. Great post
Very kind of you thanks!!
Fantastic content. Credit to you🔝
Thank you so much!
Wonderful tactical insights. Thanks for opening my eyes, Mate!! COYG!!!
Thank you for such a lovely comment!
Outstanding analysis! My new favorite Channel!
Too kind of you thanks so much❤️
Really enjoyed the video
I appreciate it thank you :)
Thank you! Needed help explaining haverts signing to ppl and now I’m sending them this 🙌
Very kind of you 🙏
Really interesting take. And I learned something I didn't know about the game today. Do you have a podcast version of this?
Thank you so much! I have a Twitter page @GrationHarvey, and a tiktok page as well. As for longer form stuff, I’m part of the weloveyouarsenal writing and podcasting team. :)
Awesome video. Harvertz is the player I'm most interest to see play for us next season. I rate him as a player.
This is amazing content!!!!
Thank you 🙏🥰
Thanks for this video. It has transformed my doubt into intrigue.
Thanks so much 🥰 Fingers crossed!!
Seeing this in retrospective... Keep it the good work man, clinical analysis. Our raumdeuter❤
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Great Work...
Our Players are all over the place... Martial Arts
Great analysis! A complete different take to the conventional opinion
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Love your in depth analysis …..
Thank you so much very appreciated❤️
I'm here after the Community shield game and i must say you got it spot on.
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I think we’ll see us use the diamond a lot more than the box midfield. We’ve got the profiles for it now.
Can you elaborate mate? How will the team look on paper
This is a very educated analysis of Kia Havertz. Mikel knows exactly what he expects from Kia.
Think he has it within him to really excel for Arsenal!
excellent analysis gave me insight into how i can maybe see Arteta's vision for havertz in our new system(s) and how he willl likely be utilised.
Thanks man really appreciate it. The Raumdeuter term is more meant to show how he will be given a freer role to attack the box from deep, play between the lines and create space for others exclusively :)
@@harveygration no problem mate 👍
@@5686darrylyou must be impressed now
This is so great and enlightening
Such a lovely comment. I appreciate you!
Great post. I think Xhaka was already playing the space as left 8 to a degree, freed up by Zinks coming in as second pivot. Havertz probably has the attributes to do this better but his skills at pressing will be needed in a more disciplined midfield role when not in possession. Just a thought... there could be some mirroring of position and role with Odegaard? so when Zinks is the second pivot and we have a traditional right back, Havertz will be allowed the free role from left 8, but when Timber is second pivot from RB and we have, for example, Tierney as a traditional LB, perhaps Odegaard will have the Raumdeuter role from right 8, with Havertz more a mediopunto 10?
Thank you for taking the time to comment, very kind of you. And yes agreed In attack this could definitely be the case. We will see him linking play in this space, running BTL etc, even drifting into the CF or advanced 10 role. Just think people are slightly overlooking the defensive attributes required in a LHS 8 (out of possession): positional awareness for ex, and initial build up they need to be able to drop deeper and help out the pivot. Irrespective of who inverts. And yes thank you his pressing- will be used as one of the front two in our 4411 or 442 if he starts most likely. That’s my opinion anyway :)
That's an immediate subscription from me, awesome footballing philosophy!
Very very kind of you :)
Me too. 5 mins in and I was blown by his insight.
Me too. Keep up the good work 💪💯
Kai will be Arsenal's TOP goal scorer at the end of next season and would probably be the most consistent. I only doubt that he won't start off the season with as many goals but slowly as the team will Gel in he will become lethal weapon for Arteta.
Wow how you predicted he will have a slow start is just immaculate. Now that he and his team understand what he does but not fully yet is just impressive
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lets hope we dont need such a complex justification to see whether he is good at Arsenal next season...if we do, then im afraid that was a waste of resources.
Nailed. Good lad
Intelligent analysis.
good stuff Harvey! Here's a follow...
excellent video
I appreciate it :)
We will soon find out how good he is. Nobody really knows. It’s going to be horrible if he plays the same way he played at Chelsea. Really, really horrible and it could cost the manager his job in the long run.
That's what we used to call "a free role"...
Brilliant!
Feels like odegard too
I also think we’ll operate in a diamond midfield.
Zinchenko will inherit a more confined and coherent version of the Xhaka role as an inverted LB operating higher than last season in the left half.
Odegaard will be an advanced 8 sort of playing the Gundogan role in the right half.
Havertz the raumdeuter will serve primarily as a 10, the fluidity and unison of dynamics between Jesus our false 9 and Havertz our Raumdeuter will be football heritage.
Rice the complete modern 6 permitting and authorizing our creative players with space and possession.
Our back 3 through our high line formation will support Rice in the half space with canceling transitions and preventing counters through interception and counter pressing.
I’m so excited to see what Arteta is going to do with our new squad.
Brilliant video🎉
It can be translated as 3-2-1-1-3, our regular back three of gabriel, saliba and white/timber, two man CMs, zinchenko and rice, ødegaard in front of them and havertz in front of ødegaard, then martinelli, jesus and saka, but a 4-3-3 on paper
What the hell you are a future teller. I was aware of the havertz role as harvey explained but the way you got odergaards change of role spot on is unbelievable. Oderclass who people think isn’t performing this season is actually performing better this season it’s just he gotta different role which I thought he couldn’t
Used to be called a floater
Hey Harvey
Do you think that Rice was bought to structure and enforce further space and freedom of play for our new front 4/5
With Zinchenko supporting him in the half space to cancel transition attacks and counter plays from the opposition?
I’d like to know how you think Rice coexists with Odegaard an advanced 8 and Kai a Raumdeuter.
Hi there, thanks so much for commenting. I think what makes rice so brilliant is that he has the potential of being elite as a 6 (arguably already is) and an 8. As a 6 he will most likely partner whichever fullback who inverts (zinny, timber, Partey), creating an incredibly mobile and dynamic 3-2/2-3 axis at the back. As an 8 he can play on the left, Odegaard remaining in the right half space…and as for Havertz…he can either play an even freer role to what we have seen from Jesus, or coexist with him as a pair. This would mean losing a player in the defensive axis. Alternatively, we could see rice as a 6, Havertz into the RHS specialised 10 allowing Odegaard to move across to the multi-phase left 8 role. But who knows what mikel has up his sleeve! We will probably see every one of these combos next szn
Really love your content but it's not Ram-deuter. It's pronounced Row (as in to argue) M- deuter
Great explanation mate. Makes so much sense. Love it. I just have to a tiny thing though, that is Gabriel Jesus is not said as 'hey'sus, he is Brazilian and in Portuguese its said as 'jay'sus. Thats all. Thanks if you incorporate it.
is it the same as what harry kewell used to play for leeds? i can't remember the term for it..damn it. it was when leeds were tearing up the premier league
hahaha. the mentioning of harry kewell made me feel so old now... am gooner since the last season of george graham into the wenger era all the way till today..but come back to harry kewell i cant remember the term for his role at that time..not fixed to a certain position or free to roam anywhere forward
Sorry I couldn’t tell you! Some Raumdeuter’s in the PL in recent history have been Deli Alli, Van de Beek, Nuno Tavares from LB for Arsenal!!! Also Wijnaldum in early days Klopp if that helps!
This guy is müller's regen ,I always had a feeling we'd play a Bayern 2020 tactic
Muller still here, and Muller is far better even now.
This guy reminds me of a mix between loz and james allcott
kdb played this role vs Arsenal
Can you explain why Havertz looked far more intense, electric even at times, in a lot of the clips I've seen of him at Leverkusen but at Chelsea he appeared to be more languid and non-chalant in his play? Do you believe it's simply a change of team/system or has he permanently altered his playing style from his Leverkusen days? If Arteta can rediscover the Leverkusen Havertz, then we have a player on our hands!
Mixture of confidence and environment probably. Because has always had aggression in his pressing even at chelsea. But agree he lacks intensity at times. Think growing into his frame a bit may help this, because he certainly has the desire within him from what I’ve seen
It is all about starting position, so if a player always starts on the left side and receives the ball mostly towards the left flank at the half way line, soon as he receives the ball he knows where to run with the ball and knows the pass to make in relation to the opposition. Because they understand the position they play intuitively. So if the manager decides to put them on the right, change the position of a player and now when they receive the ball in a position that is not natural to them they have to think about everything they do and same time be able to retain position then they stop moving intuitively so the body language is not the same, it becomes more functional and player's natural ability suffers. If you put Messi up against the last defender because he won't have the same time to hold the ball looking towards goal and maybe receive it with his back to goal he won't be the same player. In football it is wherever you stand when the ball arrives knowing what you're doing next is more important then how good you are technically. Oddergard is player you see thriving when he receives the ball because he has played that position since a kid. Sometimes it works the other way if a player is stale you move the position and they can become a different player. The manager has to understand the players emotionally to get them playing their best.
When is this going to happen then?
Only at the moment we look worse than last year.....
I wish Havertz was going unnoticed, at the moment I notice that he slows us down every time he touched the ball.
Are you saying De Bruyne and Maddison are Raum Deuters too? Because that's absolute bollox.
I really hope you're right, but I think this might be wishful thinking.....
I can't believe you're comparing Havertz to Haaland.
This reminds me of Glen Hoddle. I think it was Bob Paisley who was asked why England couldn't get the best out of Hoddle and the gist of his reply was that to get the best out of Hoddle you had to build your team around him. If you did that Hoddle would be excellent, but the team would be mediocre.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I think this is a poor transfer.
@@fatdaddy1996 Nobody said the start was gonna be easy. Now he understands the team and the team understands him and it’s not even the half of it the chemistry will only get better between each player.
We are playing completely different to last season with odergaard playing like gundogun basically collecting the ball from deep and dictating from there.
Havertz playing further up ghosting behind defenders sometimes holding up the ball bringing in our attacking but on the ball playing deeper than odergaard playing next to rice it’s all crazy arteta is a genius
Best analysis on Kai. Always saw his role as the Space interpreter. A shadow striker in a way. Players like Dybala and Griezmann always find it hard in systems cause they are half 10/9 rather than 8/10. Gabriel Jesus movements will be vital on the left.
Thank you so much. I think it’s the best way to describe him as well. Project topper/environment player
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It appears you are describing Xhaka's role last season. I think Kai Havertz is an efficient replacement of Xhaka as a Raumdeuter, based on your analysis.
Exactly and I always thought kai havertz space awareness world class he is going to replace xhaka painfully easy for all the doubters thinking kai is the wrong player for his price will apologise or they won’t as I have seen people will do anything before admitting they were wrong
@@modini5089defensively much weaker however
@@carlbaker5880 Not really - check the stats my dude
And replacing the role of Xhaka is just a fraction of his frightening for defence roles
@@carlbaker5880kai is better defensively and offensively. Even tho I knew he would be better offensively I’m shocking with how well he can defend and press
He will score a lot of goals
Don't you think Trossard is a rounderteer too?
He is certainly positionally free at times but this is more to operate in a left-sided circuit with the striker, left 8 and inverted fullback. So not technically a raumdeuter, but heck there are so many rotations and dynamic interchanges under Arteta that he may as well be!
So basically Isagi?
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He’s not taking Odegaard out of the team
I agree. There is absolutely no chance if that! Was just saying if he ever plays the specialised/advanced 10 role on the RHS, this may facilitate Odegaard to move across to the LHS 8. Who, based on last season and other top sides is required to be more multi-phase (deep build up, defensive awareness). What makes Odegaard so undroppable is that he can do this as well!!
Compare for me mount and havertz
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Free Role
This Raumdeuter, Is he in the room with us right now?
Save this...Jorginho will always start. People don't understand how highly Arteta rate the man
Can we stop using foreign words in football for things that have English terms? Especially when we could be saying space invader which is infinitely cooler 🤷🏻♂️
You can use space invader if you want! That’s what I use anyway!
So where has this "Raumdeuter"
been for the last 3 years then.
For argument sake check have a brief look at Haverts numbere at Chelsea!!!!
So much for a "Raumdeuter"
That is the whole point!!! He wasn’t used properly at Chelsea (Lampard’s 4-2-3-1 where Havertz didn’t play in the 10, Tuchel out jf necessity had him in the 9). In this system at Arsenal he has the environment to perform much better- focusing only on creating space, attacking the box, playing between lines…Not saying he WILL succeed but it suits him hands down- just trying to get into Arteta’s thinking that’s all :) 🤷♂️