DUNE PART TWO 4K UHD Blu-ray Review
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Review to the 4K UHD Blu-ray release of DUNE PART TWO. Only a 4K disc in this pack but the steelbook version did include the Blu-ray. All the extra features are contained within the 4K disc so there shouldn't ever be a requirement for the Blu-ray assuming you have the requisite 4K disc player.
Sound is Dolby Atmos with an option for 5.1. Image aspect ratio is 2.40:1 throughout and not the 1.90:1 plus about an hour of 1.43:1 as seen in faux IMAX theatres and genuine IMAX theatres where 15/70 blow up prints were screened (only 12 prints worldwide).
To see my review of the 2021 DUNE 4K UHD Blu-ray: • DUNE (2021) 4K UHD BLu...
I mention Trevor at Double Bill Movies in this video and this link will take you through to the relevant section of one of his videos to learn all about the different capacities of 4K discs and how to identify them: • 4K And Why We Don't An... - Krátké a kreslené filmy
It’s incredible how you built that masking John and I bet saved a fortune. I make do with a 16 x 9 and I’m happy with that. The amazing thing is projector users don’t get close to actually what is on these 4k discs in terms of brightness. I still wouldn’t swap movie watching for a tv instead of my projector though. Great video as always John !
We've been watching a lot of LaserDiscs on our telly lately which is not something we've done for many years. I concluded that we weren't watching enough of our home videos or home movies so revisiting our treasured LD collection via the television seemed like a solution and it has been. I would much prefer to project them but I think I've got to get the ten foot roll down screen installed in the living room to facilitate that otherwise we'll be in the cinema every evening and it wouldn't feel so special then.
Masking doesn't have to be automated, it's just that I tend to get a bit lazy when I'm watching a movie so pressing a few buttons and not getting off my backside appeals to me. I have done the masking manually in the past and I will do again in the living room when I finally get around to all that.
John.
I had the good fortune of catching this wonderful film at the BFI IMAX in early April on holiday in London, and was very impressed. I’m really looking forward to dipping into this 4K release; if it’s anything like the first film, I’m sure it will be a top 10 4K studio release for 2024. Thanks, John, as always for the great content.
Evening Joe. Well the 4K isn't quite that good but it is very much like the first movie so if you like the way that looks on 4K then you'll like this one. There are much better 4K discs out there though and I hope many more will come along. Maybe now he's had a blockbuster Mr. Villeneuve will have the power to demand 15/65 for the third film if he gets to make it. That would mean another full genuine IMAX film to choose from the next time you're over and can get to the BFI IMAX. They are showing a lot more 15/70 there nowadays as it's bringing in the audiences.
John.
Thanks 👍 John great review and we do enjoy your forensic approach to the subject matter.
Keep it going 👍
Thank you Mark. John.
Thank you John, love your content as always..
I tried to make this review a little different as I hadn't done a single disc review for quite a while. There hasn't been much of interest released lately. Apart from Aliens, True Lies, The Abyss....
John.
Thanks John.
Now that was too bloody quick!
@@moviecollector5920 - When you upload a video John, it’s best to run 🏃♂️ not walk! ⚡️
@@cheekster777 It always gives me a chuckle when you're first to comment Cheekster. John.
Excellent review as always. I really enjoyed this film and looking forward to getting the 4K disc. Ended up seeing it in IMAX 3 times since I was seeing with different people, 3rd time was in Japan end of March when I was on my trip there (they always get the releases a little bit later)
There were only 12 IMAX prints made so you did well there. They were blow-ups though so it wasn't the real McCoy but still special to see a video looking just like a real film should. I didn't think Japan had a single IMAX house left now though so that's an education. John.
Good review! Thanks very much.
You're welcome Theo and thank you. John.
Watched them back to back John . Agree with you about the continuity it was very well done.Looked and sounded great on my oled and through av system. Just heard about the Imax on Bradford reopening this is good for me can't wait. Thank you John for an excellent appraisal.
If Bradford manage to get hold of the 15/70 print for a few screenings it would still be worth getting in there to see it Mike. There isn't much difference from the home video other than the aspect ratio shifting between 1.90:1 and 1.43:1 but where there is a big difference is the huge screen. No doubt the sound system is going to be a new installation so that should make this movie even more special too.
John.
I am no lover of the dune franchise. But your videos are top notch. Thank you.
Some find them a little dull which I can understand. I wasn't entirely enamoured with the first film until I watched it again recently. Seeing the second on the huge BFI IMAX screen was a game changer.
John.
Thanks John . I just bought this and plan to watch it later this week.
Prepare to be rumbled out of your house with the bass in that soundtrack! Hope you have a great time with it. John.
Its cool with the masking system you have john, must be wonderfull to have such a system. Good review as allways
I've just been playing with it all this evening Benjamin. I know it all looks like a bit of a toy but it's more so that the masking can be adjusted at the push of a button without having to get up and mess around. It is also a lot of fun at times too though. This evening we watched the DVD of 'Uncharted' which was given to us a few days ago. It's amazing how good modern DVDs look. They're benefiting from the superior mastering nowadays.
John.
The good old dvd.
Thanks for your always great review and your love of the Cinemascope aspect ratio. The Chinese Theatre in nearby Hollywood has a screen the same width, I believe as the BFI. Their screen is considered the new IMAX cinema standard of 1.90 if I am not mistaken.
( Obviously they had IMAX 70mm projectors installed because of Openheimer)
I believe the Chinese Theatre has motorized masking on that huge screen which is quite an achievement. I bet that's going to cost in annual maintenance. The benefit of framing a film with masking cannot be overstated so it's a shame few cinemas in general bother with it any longer. I expect that's an indication of how viable cinema is these days though.
John.
I love the fact that you tagged your Dune part 1 video on to this one. They make a fun and interesting watch when you put them together. Very much like I imagine, it would be for the films that they cover. I haven't been able to do that with the films yet, as I don't own them yet. I've got my eye on the double pack, though.
Good point Timothy, there's bound to be a double feature pack for the two films soon. John.
@moviecollector5920 there already is. It's selling on Amazon usa. I thought you knew. It's kinda pricey. It may take a bit to save up for it.
@@moviecollector5920 there already is a double pack on Amazon. I thought you knew.
absolutely love your set up! that is so cool! how does that work? as far as the screen changing size?
It's all done with curtain motors Michael apart from the bottom mask which now gets pushed up and pulled down by a pair of linear actuator motors. Those linear motors have their own remote control as I couldn't work out how to put them on the X10 controller. I've done quite a few videos all about the home cinema but probably best to look for the previous home cinema video about 3.5 years ago when we lived in Cornwall. 2.5 years ago we moved here and so I had videos with the old cinema being taken apart and then the new one being worked out. About a year ago I uploaded a video of this one with Davey the builder in so we could finally get it the way we wanted it. The bottom mask ended up being about 11 feet across and so it was too heavy for a curtain motor to power the roller blind any longer and that's why some lateral thinking was required.
John.
Excellent review John, haven't bought Dune 2 yet,really enjoyed the first part...i need to get my projector back up and running 😊
Oh dear. I hope nothing too awful has happened the your projector Marty. Best of luck with that. John.
Great review as always John! As you say, the colours and clarity are really impressive with this 4K, I preferred watching it at the cinema, particularly at the BFI, but the home release does come close I think.
I'm still really impressed with your Last Night In Soho poster and lightbox, I think the poster design really suits being lit up and looks absolutely fabulous.
Nothing is ever going to match seeing this one at the BFI IMAX off that 15/70 blow-up Nick. What an exciting event it was to be able to see it that way. Like cinema screenings of old I think. The 4K isn't quite as good but incredible when you think it's a cheap home video. Amazing really.
That 'Last Night In Soho' poster is probably my favourite of all time. Because it's double sided and has the title in lettering reproducing the appearance of a neon sign the lightbox really does make it look neon. It's lovely to just have it on in there by itself when the room is dark.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 It really is a treat and an exciting event watching a film print at the BFI! They have a film festival later this year but I'm not sure I'll be able to get to any of the screenings.
Great review John. I live in Belfast but was lucky enough to catch a screening of this in the BFI IMAX during a work trip to London. Probably the most exhilarating cinematic experience of my life. You're lucky you don't have a body of water separating you from such an amazing cinema. Their 25th anniversary line-up looks wonderful too. Very tempting.
Looking forward to your next video.
I tell you what Matt, if you thought this film was cinematic event at the BFI IMAX then you have got to get over to see one of the genuine IMAX films because DUNE PART TWO doesn't come close. INTERSTELLAR is the ultimate trip to experience at the BFI IMAX but TENET is probably the supreme image quality with DUNKIRK up there with it. OPPENHEIMER was another event but being a drama it doesn't quite have the same huge screen appeal of Mr. Nolan's previous three IMAX films. They are all great though. I haven't seen the pair of DARK KNIGHT films there but I think I know they'll be the same unimaginable quality. The BFI IMAX is one cinema that makes it worth emigrating!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I'd love to see some of Nolan's stuff on that screen. Sadly, I can't quite justify the expenditure at this point. Maybe someday though! Cheers John
Hello John. Excellent review as usual. I pre-ordered the Hmv Steelbook months ago before I even saw the film. Massive Dune fan. I read the first 3 novels at school in the early 80's and have had to make do with David Lynch's version until this epic masterpiece of Denis Villeneuve's came along. Long live the fighters :)
I struggled with the Frank Herbert novels but I think that's because I read the Asimov Foundation and Robot series of stories and novels first. Dune was too close to Asimov's Foundation series in so many ways. I didn't much care for the 2021 film during my first viewing but I thought much more highly of it when I watched it a few months ago for the second time. I get it now and looking forward to a third movie if the green light is given.
John.
Great review John , it must still look pretty good on your 10 feet screen .
There are much, much better 4K's available Paul but nothing beats a big screen. While this isn't exactly huge sitting only about ten or eleven feet away gives it that impression. John.
Nice work John.....i haven't seen the first yet..... just couldn't get into it ... have to give it another go.... thanks for sharing
I didn't like the 1st film when I watched it. Seen it 4 times now 😂 love it !
I thought it was a bit of a plodder the first time Roy but it came alive when I watched it for a second time a few months ago. I was then ready for the sequel which was an exciting outing to see it on that huge screen. Not the best image quality ever achieved by a long way but nothing beats a huge screen.
John.
Managed to watch it in the cinema and enjoyed it. Purchased the steelbook from HMV, just gearing myself up for a second watch.
Great video as always John. 👍🏼
I didn't want to order the steelbook so far in advance... wish I had though.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 the way most of them sell out now John I always put a pre order in. Seems logical as you don't pay until just before it's despatched. If I decide against it closer to release day then I just cancel. 👍🏼
Really enjoyed Part Two John, looks amazing and sounds great as well. Found out yesterday that Fopp have reopened in Nottingham, will have to go over and check it out at some point. Cheers. Gaz.
That is brilliant news about FOPP in Nottingham Gary. Who ever would have thunk it? The march of HMV continues. John.
Great review @Movie Collector . Bought both Dune 1 and 2 on release, yet I haven’t had the time to watch them yet.
I am afraid they will have to wait until a rainy sunday or the fall to watch them both.
I am sure I am, both quality and movie wise, in for a treat!
Can’t wait for your review of the Once Upon A Time In The West disaster.
Evening Pieter. Have you seen the 4K of Once Upon A Time In The West because the frame grabs I've seen look pretty darned good. I think some reviewers have been claiming some things which may not be entirely correct so don't be put off. It it looks good then who cares if it's a little compressed to fit a 66Gb dual layer disc? It's not like we're spending thousands of pounds on a film print for heaven's sake.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 yes I have it but find it a strange experience. The movie looks “different”. And sometimes even odd. Some stills indeed look great but often the movie looks far from great. You’ll see for yourself soon, I guess.
It was only €20 here in The Netherlands so did not spend the €45 Paramount exclusive price tag or whatever they call it and happy I didn’t as I probably watch my old blu ray over this, despite its flaws.
Both films look incredible 💯I was blown away watching Dune 2 in the cinema and I didn't even watch it on IMAX be interesting to see if we get a 3rd film. Great Video John
There are standard 70mm blow-up prints around too Andy so if you love this film then it might be worth looking out for one of those. Putting the video onto film does turn it into more of a film and it certainly works even if it doesn't have the definition (and richness) of something shot in any of the larger film formats.
John.
Nice. Watched it on my OLED. Amazing. The Atmos mix was sensational also.
The sound is probably quite special through anything. I'm 5.1 THX Ultra and although it wasn't as impressive as the BFI IMAX (no surprise there) I think it was still among the best soundtracks I've ever heard anywhere. John.
Dune 1 , abl kicked in on my oled . Couldn't see a thing. Next tv will be led. Love my oled , but can't stand abl ( absl)
@@iansteventon4221 It will be worth having a good old fiddle with all the myriad settings on your OLED there Ian. I know DUNE was too dark in a number of places on a lot of our equipment out there but it can be overcome. John.
@@moviecollector5920 you can buy a service remote that disables abl , but could void warranty ( I got 6 years with my c1 oled) I just put up with it , doesn't happen a lot but it's annoying as it dims down so much. Vincent teoh done a video on it ( abl)
@iansteventon4221
ITS NOT the TV and certainly not an Oled or Qled.
I have noticed again and again & again etc that 4K releases are often Dark.
Try Batman UHD and then try a blu ray very ??.
One of the " Fantastic Beasts" films was unwatchable ( without tweaking ) But I remember my Nephew trying the blu ray which was instantly bright and clear.
I Have a 60" Samsung Q led for a few years and apart from a handful of Dark 4K s it's been Great.
But always if you try the " blu ray " it will be fine.
It's been a reliable TV and will do for a couple more years till I change to Oled, obviously No Dolby Vision on Samsung.
Anyway fiddle with ( depending on your settings ) ,On Samsung I do Contrast,contrast enhancer ,colour tone and white balance/ shadow detail.
I'm 100% convinced that it's exaggerated on the UHD discs ,maybe it's HDR but the blu rays are just brighter ???.
Anyway persevere I hope you get a result?✌️
Hi John! I will buy this for sure but not in a hurry. Seeing it in cinema was great and so once the price is relaxed a bit i'll scoop it up. Meantime I see Oppenheimer beginning to drop in price a bit so time to add it first. I have re-visited some of DV's films recently and many have these great sound scores as well. A scene in Sicario of the convoy crossing into mexico was pretty cool. Still big thumbs up for me really love these Dune films and enjoyed this review thanks a lot and hope all is well with you guys Cheers D in BC!!
I hadn't notice OPPENHEIMER finally reducing in price a little. I thought it was interesting that the 4K of BARBIE reduced very shortly after it appeared on the market which probably tells us which of the two is the film with legs... and in ain't BARBIE!
If I wasn't planning to review this 4K of DUNE PART TWO I'd have waited a while until it had come down in price. But it's good to support some of the new releases when I can as it all helps to fuel the home video industry just a tiny bit.
John.
Another great review, thank you. I have to agree with that charging £25 for a 4k only release with no blu ray shows a disturbing price creep and lack of value but nonetheless an excellent movie very well reproduced for home entertainment.
Home video sales may not be what they once were so if paying £25 for the latest release helps to generate profits from more releases then it's not all bad, even if there is just a 4K disc inside. Then again, with all the extras successfully compressed onto it what do we need an identical Blu-ray for? John.
@@moviecollector5920 yes Im a little surprised that they have managed to put the extras on the same disc as the 3 hour movie without sacrificing quality of the movie.
Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦!
I bought the 4k bluray and watched it at home. I couldn’t find time to see it at the theatre. Initially I was a little mad that the bluray doesn’t have the IMAX aspect ratios, but man did I disappear into this movie! Thankfully the kids were in bed and we could crank the volume and not have any interruptions. Was thinking about this movie for a couple days after watching it. Which I think is a sign of a great movie.
That certainly is a sign of something Jeremy. I've had it quite often myself where I can't get a film or movie out of my head. I think having a load of aspect ratio shifts on this disc would adversely affect the overall enjoyment. It just doesn't have the superlative quality of a cine to video transfer that started out as a genuine 15/65 IMAX shoot. That makes a difference because the last three Nolan films shift from the exceptional imagery of standard 70mm and then the unbelievable even better imagery of 15/70. It can be quite breathtaking on a big (ish) screen even considering it's all shrunk down to just 4K home video.
John.
Great review John. I was lucky enough to get the steel book. I thought the first film was better with a 2nd watch. But the part 2 was brilliant when I saw it at imax york. (I know not true imax) lol
The IMAX in Bradford is going to re-open early next year apparently and it looks like the 15/70 IMAX GT is going back in so you won't have too far to go for the real McCoy David.
I think these films grow on you... a bit like leprosy!
John.
Thanks John. Glad you appreciate the new 4K release. Long love physical media!
I was fortunate enough to see Dune 2 at BFI IMAX and the Ronson IMAX Theatre (inside the British Science Museum).
Both were awe inspiring experiences. Sublime.
The Science Museum was sharper, richer colours and more modern looking (due to the GT Dual Laser projector and not being scanned back on to film). Unfortunately, the black handrail running along the bottom of the screen was slightly distracting.
The scale of seeing Dune at the BFI IMAX was otherworldly and almost psychedelic.
It would be interesting to find out exactly how the 15/70 blow-up prints were done. If the video was output at 6.5K then the 15/70 prints would have been higher quality than the 4K videos shown everywhere else. But I somehow doubt that was done and I expect the whole thing was edited at 4K. I hope I'm wrong. 4K isn't quite up to full frame 35mm capability so big budget production like this really should have part of the funding reserved for at least a partial inclusion of film to give us at least a section of superior quality somewhere withing the total running time.
John.
I went to go Dune: Part 2 in the theater about 2 months ago. I originally thought people were over praising it because some were already calling the best film of the century. I think it’s a great film and the best film of this year so far but I think it’s too early to call it the best film of the century. Enjoyed your review of the 4k. Might get it on Blu-ray because I don’t have a 4k blu ray player yet.
I expect the Blu-ray will look almost as good as the 4K Derek. The big winner in this film is probably the soundtrack. One of the best possibly but I wouldn't rave about the film quite so much as to claim it to be the best film of the century but we're all different and thank goodness for that.
John.
Thanks John, I’ve not got round to watching my copy (same price at HMV). I was disappointed with the cheap packaging and no BD so I could watch in a non-4K room.
Do you think they’ll release an Nolanesque version of both films on variable ratio?
Brilliant demo of the new masking, the old ones introduced me to your channel many moons ago. Kind wishes, Dave
I suppose the standard Blu-ray release will be virtually given away in a year or so Dave so that will be easily sorted if you hold on. As for an alternative version on home video in the future I don't know. If it was a 15/70 film then I'd have preferred that but as it's not in the same level of quality of the Nolan films and I think that it looks better 2.40:1 I have to admit that I'm not interested in a full frame or 1.78:1 version.
John.
I also purchased the 4K disc and enjoyed the movie quite a lot - a welcomed addition to my movie collection.
And a massive success for the cinema industry too Morten which is a very good thing. Wonderful to have it in such quality for our homes for only £25 when you think what we used to have to pay for the best quality. It's a fraction of the cost. John.
Nice one John
I didn't get into the Dune films as yet, will I ever?
But I loved your twiddling around with your screen control and explanation of the difference between format's in that film.
Sometimes the screen image is so dull in some cinemas it spoiles my enjoyment completely.
So I would certainly think of watching Dune at the Waterloo Imax Also wish they would get on with the technology and produce films in full length imax guality and get back to some total 70mm film projection on real 70mm curved screens.
Dreaming for the time being but not lost hope.
I was in a discussion with a couple of other film collector enthusiasts a couple of weekends ago Graham where we show and talk about a D-150 lens (Dimension-150). We think this is the solution to cinema today. It was a TODD-AO creation in the early 1960's I think but it never seemed to fully take off. I suspect this was due to the almost identical Cinerama process having almost run its course by the 1970's. But the Odeon Marble Arch had D-150 and Star Wars opened there in the format on Boxing Day 1977. The lens creates a 120 degree curved image in focus all the way over for a 120 degree curved screen - a huge 120 degree curved screen where space allows. Mainly used for 70mm but can be used with any method of projection where the image comes out dead straight and not all up and down like most home video projectors today.
If D-150 was adopted by cinemas today then we'd almost get back to the sort of special presentations we used to enjoy and it would only be available in cinemas except in very rare instances where someone had a lot of money and space to do it at home. It wouldn't be restricted to 70mm but it would hark back to those great days and would be cheap to install which is fundamental these days. Something different, better and cheap. Seems like the saviour of cinema around the world to me.
John.
never saw the original Dune nor have i read the books. bought the Dune 4k on faith and loved it. didn't think twice about Dune 2. would love to see both in IMAX but I don't think that possibility will ever repeat itself. 👍🏼
The IMAX films are blow-ups so they're not really IMAX but a good way to turn a video into more of a film and it certainly worked in that regard. But at around 1/15th the quality of a genuine 15/70 (i.e. shot 15/65) there's no comparison at all so what you've seen on your 4K discs isn't too far off. Nothing beats a big screen though and the genuine IMAX houses are always huge screens. It makes a difference. The BFI IMAX sound system helps too.
John.
got to see this one in dual laser at the Austin Bullock Museum and it looked spectacular. What I've gathered from people who saw it in both 15/70 and in dual laser is that dual laser was the better experience of the 2. I just wish they had preserved even the IMAX 1.90:1 aspect ratio on the home release, as the entirety of the film is in a mix of 1.90:1 and 1.43:1
It is only a 4K video so it's quite possible there is something to the 4K video projection in faux IMAX cinemas but what a blow-up and transfer to 15/70 films brings to the table is special because it turns an obvious video into a film. For film connoisseurs that is something that cannot be matched and I hope more videos are transferred to film to give them the artistic look only film can provide. Video projection has improved over the years though, no doubt about that. The IMAX branded 4K projector with laser lamp at the BFI IMAX is capable of producing exceptional results dependent on the material being put through it. The trailer for FURIOSA looked great as did the latest PLANET OF THE APES movie the previous week which I got a sneak peak at but none of it comes close to the real McCoy. I'm not sure this latest DUNE film benefits from the aspect ratio shifting. It certainly doesn't benefit anything like a genuine IMAX film but let's hope Mr. Villeneuve now has the clout to insist on shooting some of the third film (assuming he gets to make it) with 15/65 genuiine IMAX. What a difference that could make.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I’m all in favor of more movies being printed to film, especially if it keeps the 15/70 projectors alive and well. I’ll be attending not only the re screening of Interstellar in the fall, but I’ll make sure to buy an opening night ticket to see the new Joker movie on IMAX film as well to ensure my dollar goes towards supporting the format.
As far as the aspect ratio shifting for Dune, if I hadn’t known about the expanding ratio of it before hand, I don’t think I would’ve felt like I’m missing as much. With part 1 I watched it for the first time at home, and it seemed fine, but was able to catch a re screening in laser IMAX just before part 2 released, and I felt that most of the expanded ratio shots really helped with the scale, which is something DV does very well as it is.
Some of the shots in part 2 that are expanded though are strangely placed however, and vice verse for shots that remained 1.90 as opposed to 1.43 in GT venues. And even the home release isn’t 100% consistent with which shots are simple top and bottom crops vs left and right or total pan/scan. It’s a technically puzzling DCP/home release of a movie, but the important thing is that the movie itself still kicked ass every time I watched it.
Nevertheless, Here’s to hoping more films get shot on, printed to, and screened on IMAX film!
Nice review John, keep up the good work. You must find Sean Connery in “ The Offence” . I believe you will like it!
Don't let me forget 'The Offence' Gary. Even the DVD starts at around £12 with the Blu-ray just £1 more. Quite pricey. But if I see one in HMV for around that then I'll take a punt.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 it cost me $20 for the Blu-ray, used in the States…well worth it!
Great disc, even in 'cropped' cinemascope the visuals are still stunning. I also love your screen masking system! it's something of a lost art these days In most cinemas unfortunately.
I think the lack of knowledge among the people responsible for running today's cinemas is a contributing factor to why it's a dying industry Graham. I can't imagine doing a home cinema without masking the image off correctly. I used to simply put up with white areas of the screen visible on our ten foot roll down about 30 years ago but then I realized side masking could be manually inserted into the roll and held in place so that sorted that. I want to put that screen back up in our living room which will almost completely duplicate the home cinema we had in our living room in London until about 20 years ago. Should be fun to see it recreated.
John.
I like your automatic curtains and masking. May I inquire as to how you achieved that? I would love to duplicate in my theater.
It's a load of Butler Curtain Motors (now known as 'Add-A-Motor' I think) controlled via an X10 home automation system. They make a heck of a noise so I took that down in this video so they wouldn't distract but it's only really the curtains that are too loud as each runs off an individual motor and they're a big weight to drag across. The top mask is on a roller blind but with the same curtain motor. The bottom mask is too cumbersome and heavy for the curtain motor solution so is now driven up and down by a pair of 4 inch linear actuator motors with its own bespoke remote control. I've included all this in videos previously so look up 'Home Cinema Tour 2023' which has most of it but I hadn't worked out the bottom mask by then. The red lights are also on the X10 and plugged into an X10 light dimmer receiver. I hope all this makes some sense.
John.
Thanks + I'll wait for both films in a single box edition.
Wait a few years longer Daniel and you'll probably get a triple movie special pack. John.
Great review as always John..the only thing that slightly pulled me out of the film, for a second, before I got used to it was the scenes on Gedi Prime.
On another note, I am beginning to dislike the filmy cases they put 4ks in.
Some of the cases are a bit flimsy but even Amaray had gone rather lightweight before they threw the towel in a few years ago. This was probably due to the post office bringing in a 100 gram limit for Large Letter post. Keeping a DVD, Blu-ray or 4K below 100g meant cheaper postage so suppliers would have demanded that as much as possible to keep their costs down. Not possible with double discs though. I know because I tried everything.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Really intresting point. It never dawned on me the weight for postage! Thanks, it makes sense now. Still hate them though.
@@Thunderpuddle I think the Blu-ray of The Great Escaper we purchased from FOPP recently even has the environmental or 'eco' logo punched out so there's even less plastic making the case even weaker. Absolute crap! But the disc has been watched, the case is now on the shelf and it probably won't come off again for years until we watch the movie again. I don't like the modern cases but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment so it's not all bad. John.
Hi John,
I was quick of the mark and got the HMV steel book for £35 pounds I think this much better value than the single disc for 25, and you have a backup copy on blue ray. The blue ray looks very like the UHD but the colour is superior as you would expect.
I watch this on my 50" UHD tv no problem with over blown highlights.
all the best
Bob
I would have liked the steelbook but purchasing months in advance seemed like a bit of a risk at the time. Glad you got yours Rob and pleased it looked good on your telly. Well done. John.
YES!!! I completely agree about the darkness in Dune. I picked up the 3D Blu-Ray initially and I couldn't see anything for much of the film. The sandworm scene was by far the worst though. I tried it on my 3D projector, a 3D TV, even a VR headset but I couldn't find a way to watch it so I could see what was going on. I gave up on that and purchased the 4K disc and although it's better, I still feel as though it's too dark overall. It's a great transfer but I just wish it was brighter by default.
It's a digital video movie Steven so there wouldn't have been a transfer, just a conversion for each digital format from the original 4K master file. There was a very healthy conversation in the comments to my review of Dune (which was early in 2022) and that did confirm that all our systems are different. I've adjusted every possible permutation on my systems and nothing ever fully rectifies the sandworm sequence. I'd forgotten there was a post production attempt to turn this into a 3D movie which certainly wouldn't have done the dense sequences any favours. I watched 3D abomination of the Blade Runner sequel a couple of weeks ago and that too was awful. It seems Denis Villeneuve has previous form on making his videos just that little bit too dark. The 4K of that one isn't brilliant either but it does have periods of very good image quality. The funny thing is that when the 4K of DUNE first appeared people were telling me it was the best 4K they'd ever seen. Wishful thinking I think which is how some people are when they really like a movie.
John.
I had the privilege to experience this in both IMAX dual laser 1.43 as well as a de-branded IMAX screen in regular 4K digital 2.40. And I have to agree, I think I preferred the scope version as well. I‘m sure part of why it left such an impression on me was the Atmos mix it was accompanied by, which very well might have been the best mix I‘ve heard in a long time. But the framing in 2.40 just felt a lot more precise and, weirdly, more epic. I‘m usually a massive fan of 1.43 IMAX but in this case it didn’t really do much for me. Interesting to hear you‘ve had a similar experience. Quite surprising considering the unprecedented fan campaign for an IMAX home release.
I think a big part of the reason why I prefer the 2.40:1 is because this wasn't a genuine IMAX and therefore the image quality was not a match for a true 15/65 shot IMAX film. It's not that it's bad but I feel the full frame anamorphic 35mm blow-up sequences of INTERSTELLAR look better on that huge IMAX screen. Perhaps that's just because it's a better cinema film and it's affected my judgement but film does have a more cinematic look in general so I could be right. It will be good if Denis Villeneuve takes the plunge with a third DUNE film and includes 15/70 sequences. What a difference that could make to the overall feel of the whole series. It would put it in the top league a la Nolan.
John.
I agree with you on the need to understand the story line before watching Dune 2. I was lucky to be able to catch the first Dune when re-released just prior to Dune 2 … so got to see both on the same Odeon IMAX in Cardiff (a cinema I recommend for quality, comfort and friendliness).
With my fond memories of the books, I was swept into the other-worldliness you describe … and loved both films. However, the friend I saw the 1st movie with was unimpressed. We agreed that we both struggled to follow the dialogue and, unless you knew what was happening, it could drag in places. Too much whispering of lines accompanied by the strong general sound field. I had no such problems with Dune 2 and thought it a superior production as a result.
The saddest part is the wait for part 3 😢.
Whilst I love the IMAX experience, in my mind, it is simply not realistic to reproduce it in the home environment. As a result, for home viewing, I prefer the full widescreen format, to the point that I prefer a film be masked accordingly over its full length … I don’t get on with versions that chop between formats. I think you got it spot on when you refer to the magic of a trip to the cinema back in the day … when you were suddenly presented with a panoramic cornucopia of images that were not available on older TVs at home and rarely used in normal photography.
Thank you for your review … I found it considered and thought-provoking. 🤔
Thank you David. I find the genuine IMAX films work with the aspect ratio shifts but best when seen in a genuine IMAX house and we'll soon have a fourth one of those as Bradford is going to re-open and apparently will install the IMAX GT. What you are seeing in Cardiff is what I call a 'faux IMAX' because it can't actually screen IMAX and all you're seeing is a 4K (at best) video projection. This is around 1/15th the quality of the real McCoy so should not be confused. DUNE PART TWO might have had a dozen 15/70 prints struck but it was all shot on video so it's what is known as a blow-up. It worked very well but it's nothing like the genuine article. This meant there was limited benefit to the aspect ratio shift into 1.43:1. Hopefully Mr. Villeneuve will be able to insist on shooting some 15/65 to add so much to the third film assuming he can make it. I do think I prefer the 'Scope frame in general but this one really seemed to make the case for it. Cinema needs to get back to huge, deeply curved wide screens to entice people back in. I know, I'm dreaming!
John.
It's a stunner ! Right from the opening my subwoofer knew it was gonna get a work out ! I'm not worried about the imax tbh .
Agreed on the price , ridiculous , doing the same in usa but atleast they get a 4k digital code free.
On the bright side Ian, if the 4K disc sales generate good revenues then it could fuel further releases as a result. And when you think about what we used to pay 20 and 30 years ago for the top quality the asking price is a fraction - maybe 1/30th or 1/50th the price.
John.
I’ll admit that at the imax in Irvine where I saw it on15/70 there was one seen where it was a little blown out but most of it was fantastic and Fick my mom who is with me said it looked like watching Star Wars in the 80s again. and with the 10th anniversary of interstellar, I am looking forward to seeing it again either that IMAX or the Tempe Arizona IMAX with some friends we’re still ironing away which one we’re going in September
INTERSTELLAR is the ultimate cinema trip if you're seeing it in genuine IMAX Jesse. I would never tire of seeing it that way. The one I'd most like to see again though is TENET which I find gets better with every screening but having seen the real McCoy last year it's a bit of a come down to watch the 4K again. I tend to just dip into on the 4K now and enjoy bits of it. I still see something new every time and ponder or work out some other detail of the plot I'd missed before.
Have a great time in September. And say 'hello' to your mother for me. I was there in 1978 for Star Wars (twice) and I know what she means about watching the latest Dune film. Star Wars had a far, far bigger impact on me though.
John.
I like to backup my movies to my computer because my monitor is better than the family TV. The file for the movie is just under 90gb or just over if I remember correctly. They really put the quality where it counts. Similar story with the first movie, ~90gb file.
I wish you'd told me that before I recorded this review! Great information. 65 minutes of extras must have been HD and still fairly compressed. Excellent disc mastering and authoring work. And I bet it took ages to get everything spot on.
John.
Hi John, thanks for taking a look at this one. It's been a while since I left you something in the comments, although I've been watching and enjoying your content!
If at all possible, I'd greatly apprecaite getting your take on Ridley Scott's "The Last Duel" on 4K. I was drawn in by the film, but I wasn't blown away by the 4K picture, especially given that it was shot at 4.5K like most of Dune 2 here (I could be wrong but that's what Ive heard). Not to disrepect the craftmanship, mind you, the picture is refined and the colours are natural - it's just perhaps not as sharp as I'd expected. Now, the sound, that's another story altogether - top notch stuff!
Overall, it's a great package with the writing, direction and performances being some of the best we've seen in a Scott film for quite some time in my estimation. Additionally, the 4K comes with a blu ray and has a nice length making-of documentary that you might apprecaite.
- Jacob
Morning Jacob. I'd forgotten about Ridley Scott's 2021 film. I'm not sure if the trailer put me off so I shall take another look. You'll find all the technical details here: www.imdb.com/title/tt4244994/technical/?ref_=tt_spec_sm where you will see it is only 4.5K so not up to 35mm capability but possibly the most important thing to note may be the use of vintage Panavision lenses. Knowing Mr. Scott these would have been selected to give the final production the look of an older production of this type. Coincidentally, I've been re-acquainting myself with Ridley Scott's Alien via the special edition LaserDisc release around 1992 which had a double sided extras disc which I think is the ultimate extras disc on this film anyone could ever want. It's a lesson in film making but possibly producing so many great films so early on as a film maker put a millstone around his neck so it will be wonderful to see another classy production from 2021 to rank among his best works. I expect it failed at the box office owing to the Covid-19 fiasco. So many good films suffered similarly.
John.
I've just watched the trailer and it looks terrific. I then looked to purchase a copy and it didn't get a 4K release over here so I shall have to consider what I do now. The Blu-ray is cheap so maybe I'll just have to go with that but I would of course much prefer to get a 4K. Overseas post is prohibitively expensive now.
John.
Hi John,
Thanks for the detailed reply and the info about your Alien LaserDisc, I bet it is glorious to behold. I do so enjoy those lengthy documentaries going into the nitty-gritty details of production, they work so well to transport you there to that place and time. I completely agree with your view on Scott's earlier career, and for me at least, Last Duel certainly does have a touch of that magic to it (even if it is just a touch).
If you'd like and would feel comfortable doing so, I'd be happy to loan you my 4K copy of the film. No obligation for you to do a review of course (unless you decided it was worth the effort).
- Jacob
@@youngrembrandt That's very kind of you Jacob but I'll find a copy one way or the other. I'm something of a Ridley Scott fan.
The Alien LaserDisc extras disc is like nothing else but it's the sort of example that led to DVD and all the extra features we've come to expect ever since. It all started with LaserDisc. I've not seen another LD quite like this one though. There are others but this is so extensive and gives a more detailed and accurate insight into the film than anything else. Most of the disc has to be stepped through one frame at a time to read the information until you reach an instruction on screen to press Play and then an interview section of behind the scenes sequence appears. LD handled single frame step through perfectly. It's such a shame home video has never been quite so easy since then. We've had this special set for 30 years in September. Where does the time go?
John.
That Laser Disc of yours sounds bloody marvelous, John. Indeed, it's these kind of singularly fantastic releases that make you want to invest in a format, just so you can experience them at home. Last Duel, whilst probably not up there with the likes of Alien, certainly deserved a beefier physical release.
Something that you mentioned in the video that stuck out to me - the ambition behind a film - which is so important to big pictures like this one. I feel that Last Duel has that feeling about it, too. The story, which has incredibly high stakes, is carefully arranged in order to get the most out of the run time, which makes it feel quite pacey in comparison to other historical films of this sort. Scott has imbued the world with a sense of visceral realism (as he is known for). As well, the story is told in a way that respects the audience, with beautiful frames throughout - vintage Scott.
I won't spoil anything for you, but should the stars align, I'd thoroughly look forward to hearing your throughts. I think Amazon UK have copies for around £25, not sure where else it can be sourced at this stage. As you said, would've been nice to get a UK release, perhaps we will in the future.
- Jacob
Greetings from Santiago de Chile. "Dune Part 2" is brilliant and if the third film stays in these same level we would have another perfect trilogy in our collections. About the disc and the extras. Yesterday the american youtuber
Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader nearly destroy the 4K release of "Once Upon a Time in the West" released by Paramount. Of all his arguments against this edition the only one I support is that long movies should be release with none compression. For example, "Lawrence of Arabia" in 2 disc and men it looks great. Unfortunately the budgets for extras are every day smaller and, so instead studios should use this space for video and audio. And "Dune Part 2" is one that deserves this treatment. Adiós Amigo.
I haven't seen the 4K disc of Once Upon A Time In The West but I've seen frame grabs from it and it does look very good. If I didn't already have the Blu-ray I'd buy it but it's not one I'm ready to watch again just yet. If there are compression artifacts destroying the image quality elsewhere then I would expect them to be minor distractions at best. A few reviewers like to complain because moaning reviews tend to generate far more views so always make up your own mind. I do believe it's a dual layer 66Gb 4K so it is amazing that it looks as good as it does. These are all home videos though so I'm probably not being as critical as some because they hardly cost anything compared to what we used to have to pay for the best available quality. In real terms it's got to be around 1/30th of the cost. Now that is amazing.
John.
They used a reticle on the cameras that had a 2.39:1 and a 1.90:1 aspect ratios so to know where the centre would be okay on any of the ratios.
I expected they would have done. It does mean that the 'Scope ratio has everything important within it and probably why it comes across best to me in that ratio. If it had have been a 15/70 production then the added frame height would have enhanced the overall movie but alas... I do expect those 1.43:1 sections were the 6.5K though which would explain the obvious improvement in image quality on occasion but not enough when compared to a genuine IMAX film.
John.
Hi John, have you seen 4K Lawrence of Arabia? I don't recall you ever mentioning it, or giving it a review? It is absolutely astonishing: a true reference disc, just like watching it in 70mm for the first time! It's worth the high investment. I saw it originally in 70mm at the OLS, then at the Metropole, Victoria, at a 70mm screening at the Dominion and then the 70mm extended revival in the late 80s at the much-missed Odeon, Marble Arch. I think it's the best 4K transfer ever! Sorry to gone about it, but it certainly exceeded my expectations, and I thought the standard Blu-ray couldn't be improved upon! Cheers.
I have the Blu-ray Stan but I wasn't particularly impressed with it. I should take another look now you've said that you thought it couldn't be improved upon as it's likely I was mistaken when I watched it years ago. I have tried to purchase the 4K but sadly it's just about impossible to get hold of without shelling out a lot of money and I'm not that anxious to see it again yet.
As for it being one of the best transfers don't forget that very 70mm format origination you know so well having seen it in multiple cinemas in the real McCoy. The 70mm productions and all the other large film formats do result in the greatest 4K discs so it's not the transfer that is responsible for the superlative imagery it's the original shoot and the film format used. Because of the bright sunlight throughout so much of the film and the 65mm shoot Lawrence of Arabia should be one of the best 4K discs on the market. It would be interesting to compare a 4K home video disc to an unfaded original 70mm print on a huge cinema screen somewhere. I think we all know which would come out on top though.
John.
I was disappointed there was no Dune Part One & Two 4K dual pack release in the UK.
Thankfully, Amazon Italy or Amazon Spain can supply to UK... Can't wait to get my copy!
It's possible the distributors feel there isn't a market for a double pack release over here Jay as the 2022 4K release of DUNE apparently sold extremely well.
John.
Amazing film
And it was a film too because standard 70mm prints and a dozen 15/70 prints were struck. Quite an achievement for a movie shot entirely on video.
John.
Question please: Did you ever do about the original The Italian Job? Or mention it in a video?
I don't think so. I keep meaning to look up the new 4K release... just done it and it's £40 so that will have to wait. A shame really because the opening of the video would be fun as it would be me coming along in a real Mini Cooper. Not one of the big post 2001 cars, an original 10 foot tornado.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Interesting. I hope you still get a chance to do it. Thanks for the response.
I agree it's expensive without an accompanying Blu Ray. Also, we don''t get the additional digital extras with a redeemable code that the US did, so doubly so.
It is a darned fine disc though so for those of us that enjoy the film it's cheap when you think of what we used to have to pay for the best quality. £300 for a 2 hour feature 30 years ago probably equates to more than £1000 today and we can now get this 4K disc for £25. Unbelievable.
John.
Nice1 John 👍I saw this in the IMAX at Ashford and thoroughly enjoyed it. I expect I will begrudginlgy purchase this 4K at some point but I gotta say I'm disappointed that the UK release doesn't include the Blu-ray and as a result feels over-priced. I wish they'd maximized the bitrate on the 4K and then included the movie and extras on a Blu-ray. 😞
I don't think you have anything to be concerned about with regard to the extras being on the 4K because there's nothing apparent to indicated 90Gb isn't enough for a 2 hour and 40 minute movie. It wasn't a genuine IMAX film so even the 15/70 print I saw was a blow-up. It felt like a film though and that's the benefit of the the blow-up process from 4K video. This home movie disc isn't as impressive but then it wouldn't be compared to anything screened on that huge screen at the BFI IMAX along with their unparalleled sound system. Perhaps wait a while before purchasing this one if you have any doubts because it will probably be on sale for only £15 in six months time. I would have waited if I hadn't had this CZcams channel as I'd already seen it a couple of weeks earlier.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Cheers John ! I can't see myself waiting 6months for this one ;-) but as I never bought Dune part1 on 4K I'll rationalise the purchase as Dune 1&2 for £40 🙂as HMV have Dune part1 in their 2 for £30 offer and I'm sure I can find another 4K for £15 I'm interested in 🙂Still, I do wish part2 came with the Blu-ray (as part1 does !!!) because I really like to have that flexibility/option.
@@tigerblue42 Someone out there might still be selling the steelbook which comes with the Blu-ray. It is £10 more expensive though and there is nothing to be gained from the Blu-ray as it's identical other than being HD rather than 4K with HDR.
@@moviecollector5920 I did/consider the steelbook but again I thought it was a bit over-priced and I didn't think it looked that great, the internal art is very lazy indeed ! There is also the option of getting the German set which comes with the Blu-ray (probably works out around 33euros). I wanted the Blu-ray more as a backup and option to play on other people's blu-ray players (I know lots of people who have Blu-ray but don't have 4K, I also have a Bu-ray player upstairs and on my PC...it's just nice to have options even if I would probably only make use of the 4K disk). Any road up, as I say, £40 for part1 (4K/Blu-ray) and part2 (4K) is not a bad deal and I expect I'll be picking those up from my local HMV very soon. Cheers m8 !
Alright John.
I bought this recently but I've yet to watch it.
When I do I'll watch the first one before it.
I'm a mood reader/watcher so I've got to be in the right mind to sit down and take it all in.
I will dive in soon 👍
All the best
Daz
Just make sure you get a good night's sleep the night before Daz because it can all look and sound a little too hypnotic. It's artistic rather than bombastic which is quite refreshing given the penchant for all out action in big budget movies recently. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Sounds right up my street John! I love a slow burn immersive experience. ✌️
@@geminisundone I didn't fully appreciate the first film two years ago because I had been told so many things about it that weren't entirely accurate. It's more of an opus than an action adventure. Slow for much of it but with a few bursts of amazing action and special effects. Be ready for that in each film and you should very much enjoy it. Don't expect the best image quality you've ever seen though because it's not of genuine IMAX origin even though it's sort of marketed that way. People are easily fooled.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 True John.
I watched the first film last year on 4k and just like the novel which I've only read once I wasn't blown away but both are dense and will get better with repeat reads/viewings.
Was surprised to see the eclipse scene at the beginning looking a lot more yellow on the 4k than the orange I remembered from the cinema. Apparently the normal blu-ray retains that orange look. Just a strange choice for the 4k making the eclipse look more yellow.
I wonder which one is correct. I'd hope that the HDR application is closest to what was desired... but I wouldn't put money on that. John.
To my eyes this movie ranks in my top 5 best looking movies I've seen on my JVC projector, with its clarity as well as excellent use of colors and contrast! The sound is amazing as well, so it makes for quite the A/V experience in a proper home theater. : )
It wasn't exactly brilliant in here Beau but it was of similar quality to the 15/70 blow up apart from being slightly too bright in places and then slightly too dull in some of the darker sequences. You'll have to send you JVC D-ILA over so I can check it with that! But I know how good those video projectors are so I can imagine the improvements one would bring to a home cinema. I think the sound is among the best I've heard on any movie so far. I hope Mr. Villeneuve can shoot some of the third film (assuming it goes ahead) in genuine IMAX which would set it apart and lift the whole series into a higher ranking, possibly into Nolan territory.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Well... It would be totally impractical to send the JVC to you, but if you're ever planning another trip across the pond, then you're more than welcome to make a stop in Michigan and check it out for yourself! The contrast level and HDR tone mapping are what sets these projectors apart from the rest, so hopefully someday you can experience one with your own eyes.
Would really like to buy this but I can't get past being charged 25 quid and not getting the entire image. If we're getting a cropped image, how about cropping the price? Cheers John.
I think it does look better in the 2.40:1 ratio. I kept checking at the BFI IMAX and the additional image top and bottom tended to look superfluous to me. I think this 4K disc confirms it. Give it a while though and see how you feel because it will be £15 before you know it.
John.
I understand the masking of screen but I wanna know, since the bluray has the video in 16:9 ratio, when projecting a movie with 2.40:1 ratio, do the black bars get projected as well or do you hide them at the projector's end?
They're hidden on the black velvet top and bottom mask. Completely invisible as a result. To try to do this at the projector end would result in fuzzy edges if that makes any sense at all.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 ah, okay, didn't think of that. So I'm curious this other thing I feel dumb to ask, that whether you've had a foreign film to watch or any english film with subtitles, but the subtitles are partially within the movie frame, partially in the black letterboxed region. How do you deal with that? Projecting the full frame without masking?
@@neobellic7258 Now that has been a problem. It used to be more prevalent on DVD but these days most of the disc authoring houses have learned that projecting the video means the subtitles will be in the black area under the image so they've learned from their mistakes, but not all of them. Someone did comment recently that subtitles on Panasonic players can be adjusted for where they appear so the next time I have this problem I shall look into it. Where a subtitle is planted into a specific place as part of the image and not a separate option then there is nothing that can be done. I hope all this makes sense. Feel free to ask for clarification if I've caused confusion.
John.
Thanks for Sharing this video John I don’t think I’ve ever seen any of these Dune Movies,I see Godzilla X Kong is coming out tomorrow on 4K have you seen that movie yet.
I haven't seen any of the recent Godzilla or King Kong movies Paul. They're just not my sort of thing these days but I'm glad you've kept hold of your younger self from the days when we'd queue up to see such film. Well done. I'm just getting old... damn it! I do still like the original 'Gojira' though and also that American version from about 2001 with Matthew Broderick so I'm not finished yet.
John.
I have King Kong with Naomi Watts on 4K and love the Quality but don’t normally like a long movie,time goes by I was 67 in May,I do like to watch the 1970’s Kung Fu Films I went to several Cinemas in the early 1970’s to see them.
@@paulallenMacca Morning Paul. In the unreleased version of 'Splice Here: A Projected Odyssey' the chap who found The Shaw Brothers films in the disused Kung Fu cinema in Los Angeles told the story of how he came to find them all hidden in the stage void area beneath the screen. What an amazing story he tells. You've made me think about that by telling me about how you used to go to see the ol' Chop Suey Kung Fu films in the early 1970's. I liked them around the mid-1970's but I went off them over the years.
I enjoyed that remake of King Kong but I felt the ending atop the Empire State building went on for too long and the initial impact of being so high up got lost by the time the monkey fell off. I remember thinking that I might be in a bit of trouble when Kong finally came crashing down but by the time he eventually did I didn't care.
John.
Interesting Story,I love Shaw Brothers and Golden Harvest movies I prefer the 1970’s and 1980’s Kung Fu Films however I love the Ip Man movies.
@@paulallenMacca John at Mondo Chelloveck Movies loves the IP Man films too Paul. That's the only reason I ever heard of them but still haven't seen any of them myself. John.
Have you got the godfather trilogy on 4k in your collection if so could you do a review please thanks dave
Nope. I have the first two on LD Dave but have only ever spun them once. Gangster films are not ordinarily my thing but I am getting to the point where I finally want to give them a second chance. It's taken quite a while! John.
Just rewatched “ The Offence” , a difficult but rewarding rewatch, maybe the best performance from Sean, how’s your search going?
Just keep reminding me Gary because it's one I want to look for in branches of HMV. It's £13 on Eureka 'Masters Of Cinema' Blu-ray. John.
Arriving next week just released Chinatown a top ten movie for me, available on your side of the pond?
I think it's being released here Gary. About 45 years ago my brother purchased the Marketing Films release and we watched it repeatedly. It's been a long time now though so I don't think I know it off by heart any longer so it might be interesting to see it again.
John.
Not sure if Best Buy is in UK but ever since they stopped selling 4k Blu-ray, the prices have gone up.
I think Best Buy are little grocery stores over here so probably not related. HMV have the market pretty much sewn up in Britain now. We're lucky to still have them but as they're still expanding you may find them back in the USA soon. Keep your fingers crossed because they're already back in Canada.
John.
AND you have a disco ball. DUDE - party at your place !! I'll bring some beer 🙂 Cheers
And all the spot lights and flashing lights to go with it. Never a dull moment in this house!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Pool ?? Jacuzzi ?? jk lol Love your channel. Quality stuff
Have booked to watch this for the fourth time at the cinema next month in ScreenX. Have already watched it in IMAX with Laser GT (1.43:1 screen), IMAX with Laser GT (1.90:1 screen) and Dolby Cinema. 😎
The 15/70 print is going to get a few more screenings too Cheekster so there's another to add to your list. John.
@@moviecollector5920 - I really need to sign up as a BFI member otherwise I’ll never manage to get decent seats for any of these IMAX performances.
Yes, the sound and music really have an extraordinary impact in this movie.
Unfortunately they did not published it in 1.9 or 1.78, for home release, again, which is a complete bummer for me
My opinion is that this movie was made to make best use of the 'Scope frame. But if someone thinks there is money to be made out of mastering and authoring an alternative aspect ratio disc release then I expect it will appear sometime. Remember that it's not a genuine IMAX film so it doesn't have the superlative imagery of the real McCoy and therefore would not have the same benefit as those great true IMAX films reduced down to 4K video. That's what makes those releases so special on 4K disc.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 of course not John:)) but it remains hard to accept for me, because there are other video movies, which have less expanded ratio scenes, like top gun Maverick, and are also offered for home release, where it really makes sense. Michael
@@mixdown78 TOP GUN: MAVERICK was a better looking movie though Michael so it does have more of an impact when the image ratio switches to 1.78:1. To display it to the full width in here requires masking off the top and bottom during the 1.78:1 sequences though so it's not entirely ideal. That's the case with all the movies that do this aspect ratio shifting but when they look so damned good I find that it doesn't bother me. DUNE PART TWO isn't quite in the same class in that regard but I like the way it looks despite not being one of the best owing to the comparatively low quality shooting format.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 John, YOU have a 21:9 Theater, totally understandable;) Scope is your personal taste too, that's totally fine. A true 21:9 View at home is definitely something special. (I've had it too, but the permanent other 16:9 layouts and menus killed it for me. Bye the way, yesterday was announced, that the next Apple TV Box Software Update will include a real 21:9 Mode for Hometheaters, which is the first time in the whole home electronics Industrie! So Customers will have the complete basic Layout in 21:9, the Box will do all adjustments. Thats a huge deal. ..unfortunately this does only work with streaming Apps, there's no BR Player to date who does that
For the Rest 99% of the worldwide customers, they have the 16:9 Ratio at home, in any size. Personally said, i've a 110" diagonal screen with a good FullHD DLP Beamer. You DEFINITELY profit from open IMAX Scenes, even when they are not top notch like the Nolan ones. You do have an imax effect, because 1.78 is the closest to 1.43 at all!
(The quality loss at digital by nature (only 4K) on a giant old school 1570 GT Theatre Screen is much more noticable, than on a 2,5-3,0m wide Hometheater Screen)
As i said before, on digital Systems, you lose/not use 26% of the screen high/resolution, black Pixels are projected or displayed on the TV - where basically Movie Information already is/was. I will never accept that for a rare Movie like THIS one, which is a exception.
Villeneuve said in an Interview that he was sure the BR Release will get a big ratio Version. haha, he had no clue.. I think he doesn't have enough power/Influence to the studio. There will not be a second release, the people buy this release without thinking and a few hardcore fans are upset (i'm not alone). The Studio gives a shit, that's how things are going today. God praise Mr. Nolan, the one and ONLY🙌🏻;)
I think a Dune part 2 poster might look really nice in your light box.
I agree Timothy. Actually, there are quite a few orange coloured posters I'd like to try out in it providing they're double sided for the best effect.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 really? Which ones would you like most?
Oh great my favourite one is Ip Man 2 I remember all the stars of the 1970’s Wang Yu,Carter Wong,Fung Hark On,Angela Mao,Kwan Tak Hing,Lo Mang and many more.I’ve actually got David Chiang’s Autograph from the 1970’s.
I lived in West Africa for a while in the early 70's Paul and I remember seeing a Kung Fu film out there on 16mm. I still remember two of the more horrific scenes all these years later. John.
John can you remember the plot or the name of the film.
@@paulallenMacca I can't remember the name but the plot had the main character entering some sort of dream world in a search for someone or something. He came up to something like a well with a friend standing in it and I remember that the fluid within was dissolving him. I think it was that film that contained a scene with someone being executed by having a sword held blunt side down above his head, then the sword was turned over and brought down into the man's skull. Horrible to see at about 9 years old. Lovely film.
John.
I can’t think of it,I was thinking maybe Kung Fu The Headcrusher or maybe The Legend of The 7 Golden Vampires which starred Peter Cushing.
@@paulallenMacca It wasn't 'Golden Vampires'. A Far Eastern foreign language film for sure.
Maybe it was just me and perhaps my tv, but somehow the color timing seemed a bit inconsistent at times
Some of the darker scenes have a muted, dull look Chris so that could be it. That was how it was at the IMAX though so it's how the film makers wanted it to look and it is consistent with the first DUNE film from 2021.
John.
Just got my notification that my new Sony 85" Bravia 9 will be delivered June 18th!!! Dune 2 will be shown!
That must be about six feet wide! That's a big telly. Best of luck with it.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I'm really excited 😊
Soundwise,it was too loud. I had to reduce the sound volume from my normal 20 to 10.
You should have heard it in the IMAX! John.
I still haven’t purchased part 1 yet, I think I may just wait and eventually pick them both up in future offers or on the second hand market. I enjoyed them, but I didn’t love them, there was a feeling of the movies being stripped away, especially of elements like the guild navigators which expand the scale of the universe in which it’s set (hoping we’ll see the universe expanded in pt 3 which is expected to be called Messiah after the second book). I actually have Arrow’s 4k release of David Lynch’s 1984 version, which I grew up watching a lot, and though it’s got a lot of things in it which don’t work exactly, there are many things I felt that, especially compared to pt 1, it managed to do better in some ways, or at the very least included where Villneuve has left them out altogether (like the aforementioned guild navigators).
But what REALLY makes my reconsider buying pt 2 especially is the lack of an expanded edition released for pt 2. I didn’t see pt 1 in Imax so no idea if the imax had an expanded ratio, but i did see pt 2 in imax, and it was a gorgeous movie, with many expanded sequences, and it’s just such a shame this hasn’t been included on the home release (I’m still holding out for the expanded ratio of the Tom Cruise movie Oblivion which was expanded to 1.85:1 including a LOT of beautiful effects, for pretty much the whole movie in imax from a 2.35:1 aspect), and not including these versions on even the 4k disc is a crime against cinema IMO.
I’m also put off slightly from the price of a new release with them only including the 4k disc and not the blu ray version (which I believe IS included with it in other countries). I love watching in 4k, but I watch things in other rooms too or in bed and don’t have 4k setup in all rooms, so for the price tag I feel that i’m getting a better deal. I don’t for that kind of price with just the single 4k disc. It gives me pause for buying it, and waiting for it to be included in an offer, or wait to see if the imax version was released in other countries to be able to import (as has happened before with some movies)..
Andrew.
I understand what you're saying Andrew but I feel that the 2.40:1 'Scope frame suits this film better. If it had have been a genuine IMAX then it would have come with unparalleled image quality but it doesn't so somehow the aspect ratio shifting at home would be a distraction. There were times on the 15/70 blow-up where it looked markedly superior to the 1.90:1 sequences but nothing like we enjoy with a genuine IMAX film. Let's face it, it's not IMAX, it's a faux IMAX to try to pass it off as something it's not to keep the faux IMAX cinemas in business.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 true - for a lot of things I actually prefer the wide aspect over the imax one, but when there’s something visually shot for such a large scale I feel let down that they didn’t include that expanded ratio shot - and dune pt 2 has a LOT of wide sweeping views of desert, and places like the crowds inside the fremen seiches, where the wider aspect gives an even greater sense of scale. That and the stripped down packaging to a single 4k disc where pt 1 was released with the blu ray included too makes it feel just disrespectful to the audience. The treatment makes it feel like they put out a disc because they had to and not because they wanted to. Like they didn’t care about the presentation. Why go to the lengths to create such a perfect visual and then give it such a shoddy treatment? Like throwing the scraps under the table for a dog. It makes me wonder if there is plan for a better release down the line with aims of that other studio past time… double dipping.
@@ahdvd The steelbook would have been a better option for this one but it sold out long before the day of release so that was the end of that for many of us. There are increasing releases coming out at £25 with only the 4K in the pack now. I don't think there is much need to a Blu-ray if the extra features have been applied to the 4K as we'd only ever need the Blu-ray if the 4K fails. Most of us anyway because I know some people like the option of watching the film in multiple rooms where some have a standard Blu-ray player. As a child or a youngster I'd have probably enjoyed messing around like that too. I don't think this film benefits from the taller aspect ratio. It did in the IMAX but it would have been a bit of a distraction for no good reason in our little home cinema. I don't feel the same way with TENET, that's for certain.
John.
salut vidèo sur la revue du 4k bien comme toujour
Merci beaucoup Alain. John.
I got dune and watch dune 2 maybe need to watch again my son like it me it's okay
I think it's one of those films that's a bit like a rash Steffy - it grows on you!
John.
I got this on release day as I have the first and I'm a fan of Dune and especially the Director.
But I understand some things are expensive these days.
BUT I must disagree £24.99 is NOT expensive.
My Part one was £24.99, Nope and Blade Runner and Widows were all £24.99.
When a UHD is released it's ( £24.99 ) and Blu ray is £14.99 while DVD is £9.99.
Those are RRP.
Yes wait Three months and HMV will throw it in a two for £30, 🤔 or maybe not as it depends on sales.
Oppenheimer hasn't really come down and if Dune continues to sell it will stay at £24.99 or maybe £19.99 like Oppenheimer which has been out ages.
I love the cinema but don't go much these days ( Transport and mobility issues ), but I support physical media and will never use a Torrent or watch Films at 720 on CZcams.
Anyway " the price is the price " and I don't know what the big deal with NO blu ray is ???.
Don't think I ever use the blu rays.
In the USA they are $30-$32 and while I haven't got out my exchange rate calculator I imagine that's close to £25.
Sometimes I buy the HMV first Editions for nice packaging, 4 post cards and a booklet for £30 although the Blade Runner 2049 was spectacular.
To conclude I think it comes down to if it's worth £25 to you ?🤔.
For me YES, but I still haven't bought Oppenheimer and that was £24.99 , I will but blu ray or 4K ?? , each to their own but I'm not a big biopic fan and I did The Manhattan project at College so Not like I'm oblivious to the subject matter.
IMHO £24.99 was a decent buy ,YES maybe pricey But it's the standard RRP for a 4k on release.
Thanks as always John 👍✌️
I agree with all you've said Rikaard but others do tell me they think £25 for just a 4K disc is expensive and I can understand that. When you think my recent purchase of ONE FROM THE HEART was £27 but it contained two 4K discs and then the same again on two Blu-ray discs then that does begin to look like exceptional value compared to this latest DUNE release. I am happy to pay the asking price for something I want but I do think the steelbook looks to have been better value despite being a tenner more. I should have pre-ordered it so there's a lesson for me.
John.
Liked 👍🏻 and subscribed ✅
Please continue to produce such wonderful videos on this channel.
Thank you. 🙏🏻
That's the plan Cheekster. John.
How you dune John?
Duin fine thank you Alex!
I'm not a fan of these films, John, although beautifully made I feel they are fatally miscast in the two young leads - especially Timothée Chalamet who simply does not have the ''gravitas" to play a leader of men who will become the saviour the Wole planet. then the director surrounds him with powerful male actors like Xavier Bardem, Jason Balboa and Josh Brolin to emphasize the point. DAVID LYNCH'S 1984 version was a mess. but what a magnificent mess!.. ONE I WOUD MUCH RATHER SIT THROUGH. My new home cinema is fnished (I built it myself), and rounded things off by bying an. EPSON EH TW 9400 4K 3D Projector and a YAMAHA Dolby Atmos amp .as im 67 this wi probably be my last home theatre ugrade. THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER EXCELENT VIDEO. MICHAEL SOUTH AFRICA.
Good to hear from you Michael. I actually like that young man in the lead role. I think he got the part mainly for his looks though because I think the girlies tend to like him.
You'll have to send me some pictures of your new home cinema. I'd like to see it. I'm still messing with details in my own but these things are never fully finished. Make sure you have a lot of fun in there.
John.
I'll bow out on buying this movie,mainly because of how bored l got streaming it on Amazon. I'm really not a fan of this franchise,but l do think the first film was superior of which l have on 4k disc
It's not the most riveting film but just like a rash it does grow on you. It's not one to watch if you're not in the mood or a bit tired but give it another try another time now that you know it's a slow burn and you may find a completely different movie presents itself. Alternatively, watch TENET and marvel at how good image quality really can be if the best tools of the trade are used.
John.
Tbh I found part 2 a bit of a slog to get through it didn't have the pace of the first one 😮
I think that's the case for quite a lot of people Andrew. They are big screen movies though as the BFI IMAX proved to me. The sound in there certainly helped too. John.
This movie was so much better than the first. People had some charm in this one. Especially Zendaya was very good.
I think you may be right there but I'll only find out when I watch them again. It did feel like something was missing in the first film. John.
Eventually people will have 100 inch televisions with imax quality DVD 📀 or else 8k blu ray UHD DVD 📀. Maybe Chris Nolan himself could direct part 3 of Dune .
I don't suppose discs will be around if or when that possibility ever occurs. Genuine IMAX is unrivalled but I believe RED or BLACK MAGIC have just released a video camera with a 17K chip so in computer terms that isn't too far off but of course it cannot replicate random grain. Then there's nothing coming along in the projection side of things to get anywhere close. John.
I have a feeling that Warner will try to squeeze more money out of us by releasing the proper IMAX versions once the trilogy's done
I'm pretty sure I prefer the 2.40:1 aspect ratio for this. I think the reason TENET, DUNKIRK and the other best releases that have shifting aspect ratios work so well on the 4K format is because they started out with the ultimate image quality only provided by 15/70. Neither of the DUNE films have that benefit. When you have films that look as good as the Nolan genuine IMAX films you don't have to like them to enjoy them with them looking so incredibly good. I do hope Denis Villeneuve is able to incorporate genuine IMAX in the third film if and when he gets to make it. What a difference that would make to the enjoyment.
John.
@@moviecollector5920completely agree with this. Have seen so much complaining around no IMAX shift and referencing Nolans home releases. But it's not really comparing an Apple Vs Apple. I think this is a great transfer, and agree would like to see Villeneuve push for full IMAX in part 3. Great review!
Great film worth every penny it looks awesome in 4k
I think it looks quite poor compared to the best available on 4K but we should take into consideration that it's a lowly 4.5K and 6.5K compressed down to 4K and in that regard it is very good. It wouldn't be fair to compare it to products shot in 70mm formats but the look achieved in both Dune films suits the productions perfectly. John.
Movie , 1 and 2 are a TOTAL waste of film making . ABSOLUTE TRASH .
It seems like you didn't like either of them William. We're all different. Doesn't mean to say they're bad movies though it's just that you don't like them and there's nothing wrong in that at all. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on everything and I respect yours.
John.
Hi John, another great video - do you have an email address to discuss a potential paid partnership
What do you have in mind Conor? Let me know on here the basis of it and if necessary I can remove the comment afterwards. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Of course - I work very closely with a projector brand who are interested in a potential paid partnership with you and your channel. If this is something that interests you, we could arrange a call to discuss logistics and get things moving forward.
@@moviecollector5920 Of course, I work closely with a projector brand and have identified your channel as a great opportunity for a paid partnership. Do you have an email where we can discuss this further?