$50 vs $12,000 Projectors Side by Side || Budget vs Performance Comparisons.
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- I tested 12 of my top rated projectors from different budget categories to figure out how much increased performance you get by increasing your budget. These are the budget sweet spots:
$125-200: Groview JQ818C ⭐
(AmazonUS): amzn.to/47oaf7r
(AmazonCA): amzn.to/3OYZCBc
$200-300: Nexigo PJ40 ⭐⭐
AmazonUS (Gen3): amzn.to/3OKpgK2
AmazonCA (Gen 3): amzn.to/3UQ4hcu
AmazonUS (Gen2, main listing): amzn.to/3HYXF3V
AmazonCA (Gen 2): amzn.to/42UFGVQ
$1200-1800: Hisense C1 (Global) ⭐⭐⭐
AmazonUS: amzn.to/3PzDeit
AmazonCA: amzn.to/49VXy57
ProjectorScreen(dot)com: www.projectorscreen.com/hisen...
$1800-2700: Nexigo Aurora Pro ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
AmazonUS: amzn.to/3Fei4k7
AmazonCA: amzn.to/3wzZyBC
AmazonUK: amzn.to/46yzQdN
ProjectorScreen(.)com: www.projectorscreen.com/nexig...
$10000+: JVC DLA-NZ8 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
AmazonUS: amzn.to/3xzdNHg
ProjectorScreen(.)com: www.projectorscreen.com/jvc-n...
Bright Room Projectors:
Dangbei Mars Pro ☀️☀️
(AmazonUS): amzn.to/3JOP5Gg
(AmazonCA): amzn.to/3wB2Ft7
(AmazonUK): amzn.to/3PRd0Zk
AWOL LTV-3500 Pro ☀️☀️☀️☀️
AmazonUS: amzn.to/3IxRtAe
AmazonCA: amzn.to/3Ig0JbN
AmazonUK: amzn.to/46w02pq
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00:00 Introduction
00:30 Under $75: Happrun H1
01:46 $75-125: Zoaybu GC357
02:38 $125-200: Groview JQ818C
03:34 $200-300: Nexigo PJ40
04:40 $300-450: Wanbo Mozart 1 Pro
06:01 $450-600 Paris Rhone 4K
06:55 $600-800 JMGO N1
07:58 $800-1200 Dangbei Mars Pro
09:16 $1200-1800 Hisense C1
10:28 $1800-2700 Nexigo Aurora Pro
12:18 $2700-4000 Epson LS11000
14:18 $4000-6000 AWOL LTV-3500 Pro
16:02 $6000-12000 JVC DLA NZ8
19:54 Conclusions - Budget Sweet Spots - Věda a technologie
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All the projectors in this video were "Winners" from my other unsponsored reviews, watch them here:
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BTW, I don't know if there's any interest in this, but I ended up keeping that a XGIMI HORIZON Ultra even though I agreed with you that the black levels sucked - I just missed the return window with it being around Christmas. But, I will say the projector has improved greatly - they must have updated it since the black levels, while still bad, are not nearly as bad as they were a few months ago. Also, I don't know if they added in additional options or if I just missed them, but when Dolby Vision is enabled you can go in and tweak the settings a bit, which greatly improves the contrast - still not great for dark scenes, but much better than it was. If you still have one, it might be interesting to include in future comparisons to see if I'm actually correct, or my brain is manipulating me into trying to justify the purchase. You do, however, have to tweak some of the settings, the out of box settings are truly horrific.
@13:45 Are these footnotes reversed. The Nexigo clearly has a purple hue. Or is it maybe because DLP always records a little differently than IRL?
U made me go trough quite an odeal to buy the mars pro from china.
Although it took close to 6 months (received it broken returned it factory got flooded and so on )
It is an amazing projector ( best i have ever seen in a home. )
Ty a lot :)
I did take your advice on the Hisense F100W 100" Fresnal ALR hard screen. It is just about perfect and in a room that is normally lit, my Vava 4k ust just performs as good as it can be! It did arrive in a huge box on an 8' shipping pallet, but was easy to put up the adjustable wall mounts and do a perfect manual setup with no in projector keystone adjustments.
@@kriswingert1662 Awesome, congrats on the great setup.
The amount of work that must have gone into this video must have been huge! Thanks for the excellent video.
It was a really fun video to shoot, but a real pain to edit.
He does a great job editing and writing a good script.
@@TheHookUp You're looking more and more like Project Farm, but for viewing experiences. Thank you for these videos!
Love this format. This fixes one of the weaknesses of the "Best X for X dollars" format where you don't know what the next step up would be and if it might be worth it. Well done.
Rob,
This absolutely IS the Ultimate price/performance projector comparison video on YTube! Thanks to you, I'm very satisfied with my recent JMGO N1 purchase(Amazon $699) that I made for my Rec room. But for my Home theater room, I'm anticipating your upcoming feedback on what I hope will be the best of the Lifestyle projectors between the XGIMI Horizon Max and the DangBei X5-Ultra. From what you were able to observe at the recent 2024 CES show, did either of those upcoming projectors appear to have the potential to perform at the levels of the Nexigo Aurora Pro. That would be the next comparison that I would look forward to seeing. Thanks again for your great work!
X5 Ultra is known to have a pretty high black floor, the same with all ALPD 5.0 projectors, so don't expect it to be competitive for a home theater. Horizon Max looked very promising at CES, but as I understand it's going be be pretty expensive.
@@TheHookUp In one of the CES videos , the XGIMI rep estimated that the Horizon Max would be in the high $2500-$2999 range, which would put it in the Aurora Pro price range. This is why I'll be looking to see your comparison of those two in the future. XGIMI gets all the desired technology features correct, but Im really hoping that they significantly improve on your measured contrast numbers on the Horizon Ultra. Thanks again!
I've been using my PJ40 since August and have loved the experience. Always love the videos. The most informative projector content I've ever found.
That's got to be The Best Projector comparison I've ever watched! Lots of information and clear side by side data showing actual differences by the numbers. Great Job!
As always, Rob combines a rigorous process, with actual hard data, to help provide unbiased reviews. But he takes that a step further by also supplying us with very well informed opinions too.
Unique content like this is why I am more than happy to sponsor him, and would encourage others to do the same. Keep up the fantastic work Rob!
Hey just want to hop in and say I bought the suggested sub $100 projector that was recommended on a previous video and it rocks! I think this is the only channel I trust with reviews about stuff like this because you actually understand the difference between marketing and performance.
The best reviews on CZcams. Period.
Thank you for putting this together. You’re helping people a ton! I actually made my first projector purchase thanks to you.
I loved that you included the JVC. Very few "normal" reviews of this thing. Honestly I find contrast and shadow detail to be the main things money buys you. In a dedicated room there is absolutely no competition for the JVC.
Seriously I am always so impressed with the level of detail you go into with all of your testing and your videos. I really think and hope you need to be a top CZcamsr for the quality you bring. Thanks
Thanks!
Been waiting for this one. Thanks for putting it all the time. Brilliant work as usual
HELL YEAH IVE WAITED FOR THIS ONE
Fantastic review format! You set a new bar for other reviewers.
Your videos are motivating me to buy my first projector …
Love it 😊
Thank you for directly showing what more money actually gets you, much easier to decide what one would have to spend to achieve a certain level of quality. Great comparison
Great video. Thanks for including ambient light tests.
Thank you! Great video! I hope projector makers watch these and try to improve their products.
This is an excellent video! You just changed my 12 month agonising decision. Thank you.
I had to pause this video literally 5 seconds in and say great job of another banger of a video. Now, to actually go watch it, but this channel just doesn't disappoint.
I said it before on AVS and ill day it again... You are doing am amazing job at giving the consumer the power through knowledge at making informed decisions by putting the manufacturers to their claims.
Thank you for all your great work.
One of the best review video I've seen, love the format.
Awesome video and extremely informative on a real life basis, great job man!
For a video like that i waited for
Amazing video as always, however how many projector related videos do we need each year? This one makes 13 in the last 12 mo?
@thehookup You are the projector GURU ! Hats off to you ! Pure facts and numbers, you do the best projector reviews, did not find any other better review videos. You put in so much time and effort on this. Thanks a TON!
Could you also review the WiMiUS K9 projector. Thank you in advance.
Awesome video. Curious if you've used the Wimius P64 or K9? Was hoping to see that in here. Very good reviews on Amazon
Awesome video, I was trying to weigh the pros and cons of the Dangbei Mars vs the Nexigo PJ40 thanks so much for clearing it all up!!
Hope the affiliate link works I'll be purchasing the Mars next week!
Before I settled in on the JMGO N1, I tried out the Nexigo PJ40. I would echo Rob's sentiments that it has no business being as good as it is for $240.
I just didn't want to miss out on the new triple laser technology offered by the JMGO, which is sharper and has a wide color gamut. Also the Nexigo had a fixed
focal range that I couldn't work with. But the Nexigo's LED image was impressive and surprisingly brighter than expected at 700 or so lumens.
Impressive test
Thanks for sharing with all of us 🙂
This is a master class on review content, way to go.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video, extremely well done and informative.
I am literally searching for this video😅 thanks man for this amazing work and information ❤❤.
Outstanding video as usual!
Best comparison on the CZcams ever
You are the CZcams King of Projectors!
I'm so hyped for the end of the year when you can review all of 2024s new releases
Which projector would be best for watching sdr 1080p anime/cartoons?
Awesome vid btw!
This was super cool, I'm trying to build a table with built in rear projection in it, and while this isn't directly comparable, it's giving me a lot of extra data points to work with.
Shout out from the Philippines 🇵🇭 ! 🔥🔥 as always
Thank for the video. One of the best projector tech reviewer about budget and expensive.The good thing,he always mention input lag for gamer to take note.👍👍
great comparison appreciate your effort comparing the bad to best projectors.....👍
Thanks so much for such amazing content!
Incredibly video. Thank you!!
Outstanding, looking forward to seeing how JVC improves on the NZ8 at CEDIA this September! Also some major advantages of JVC is you can project up to 300” screen 😂
I wondered how the Nexigo compared to the Formovie Theater!
I have the NZ8 and it is unreal in a totally black setting, nothing comes close.
This was an INSANE comparison video! The best I've seen and I appreciate you taking the time to make it! 💯.
I don't know what you have in the pipeline but any chance of doing a projector review for projection mapping homes? I'm looking to get into it and would love to have something like this video to help!
Thanks so much for your time and effort!
That would probably only be a "passion video" around Halloween time if I end up doing it. It's too niche to actually get views, but would be fun to make since it's something I'm interested in. Basically you need crazy high brightness (5000+ lumens), and a relatively short throw, as well as a house that is well suited for projection mapping.
@@TheHookUp Thanks for the reply! Totally understandable...I'll keep an eye out closer to the holidays to see if you drop anything! Much appreciated!
amazing work! you my friend are my best friend. i got my groveview thanks to your videos. someday il lbe able to afford the pj40 someday. a quick hello from ol Mexico!
Thx for the video. Seems like i am going to get the Nexigo Aurora Pro. Do you have a preferred 120" ALR screen i can pair with that projector? The latest video of your screen tests didnt include any.
Best regards.
There are quite a few 120" fresnel screens now. Nexigo has a bundle: amzn.to/3QjJjj8
The level of detail and study in this video is unmatched. Finding your channel made me super into projectors and the idea of home theater spaces in the first place, and seeing how comprehensive the budget vs. performance scale is insane. I am super happy I got my Nexigo PJ40 from seeing your comparison videos. However, seeing it scale well before a huge price jump to the next real comparable upgrade makes me even happier! 🤣 I believe I'll upgrade one day, and trust me, I'll definitely come back to this video when I do! Thank you again for your excellent work!
INSANE man!
Awesome video. The relevant facts at the right time and highly relevant tests and considerations. Good job. In my tests I also saw a difference in motion handling (stutter etc.), which is something I’m allergic to. But I assume this was not a noticeable issue in these tests. Anyhow. A great video and very interesting test.
- a home theater enthusiast.
Single LCD projectors should basically be immune to stuttering because they naturally have LCD motion blur, but they won't be able to imitate the high refresh rate MEMC look of DLP projectors (which I personally don't like).
I love your work !
Great topic!
Such a great movie. I think this should be linked to main CZcams page forever !!!
Amazing to have parts of all your videos in one narrative! Since you're including more standard throw PJs here, have you considered or tested the LG HU710PW? In the price range of the HC1 but standard throw and a longtime hobbyist favorite.
Dude this video was so impressive
Excellent work as always, still the best at these comparisons. My only query is why you didn't use a standard/long throw ALR screen to give a fairer light usage comparison against the UST Projectors.
I've never found a good one to be honest. Willing to take suggestions though. All the ones I've tried have terrible hotspotting issues and are basically unusable with tri laser projectors due to laser speckle.
@@TheHookUp Aaah fair enough, it wasn't a criticism, I just wondered as I know they're available but noticed when ALR is referenced it's almost exclusively about USTs. Thanks for clarifying
@@TheHookUp
Are you no longer satisfied with your Vividstorm ALR Screen (Long Throw) with 0.8 Gain? The images shown on it (e.g. with the Dangbei Mars Pro) always looked very good in the videos. I would appreciate an answer! Big up to you :)
Any chance you can make a video or a post on the fully calibrated settings for the Nexigo PJ40 (Gen 3)?
Great video! Thanks!
is it smarter to go with an older used higher end projector (like for example an epson eh-tw3200) or with a cheap new one from amazon like the nexigo pj40 both around 300$?
Fantastic video.. So much effort and Thank you.. In one of your previous videos you rated the Hisense C1tuk as overall best.. I bought one And am happy but I think I may occasionally see grain and spekle. Hopefully it's normal.
Sometimes on a single color bright screen you can notice it, but it's nowhere near the level of the JMGO N1 Ultra. If it becomes bothersome an acousitcally transparent woven screen will significantly reduce even the small amount of speckle on the C1.
@@TheHookUp Thank you so much.. I will bare that in mind.. Take this opportunity to say Thank you for such amazing videos. 👍
Fantastic shootout. I was hoping the BenQ x3000/3100i made this review.
Also I’m still trying to understand the full benefits of an ALR screen with UST. So even in a light controlled room, is there a huge and noticeable difference between using a normal screen vs ALR when paired with UST? From your video you mentioned the ambient light from reflections makes a difference using ALR but wondering how much when the room is painted a darker color?
Aside from the $300-450 price category where I haven't given any projectors my stamp of approval, all the projectors in this video were the "winners" of my other reviews. I have a x3100i sitting on my desk right now that will be in a video specifically focused on gaming projectors in the next month or so.
Yes, UST ALR is an absolute game changer. If you ever watch home theater tours on CZcams you'll see that there is a huge emphasis on making them "bat caves" with velveted blacked out walls and ceilings to prevent room reflections that spoil the black floor of high end projectors. An ALR screen gets you those deep blacks without needing to modify the room as much.
@@TheHookUp thank you for the info and look forward to see the x3100i review. I currently have an x3000i and find the brightness and color is quite good that I picked it over an Epson 505, but the blacks could better. The Nexigo looks like it's a noticeable improvement over the x3000i.
I asked about the ALR screen is that in the future, the Nexigo seems like a very good option for me as I wanted 3D capabilites, however I now have a Severtson matte grey screen and already painted my room a matte dark grey color to minimize reflections. But I just checked my specification of my screen and it says it is not compatible with UST so if I do replace my x3000i, it appears I need to get an ALR regardless. Have you noticed a significant quality difference between different ALR screen manufacturers?
A great video, really well done.
Thanks!
Amazing video. I wonder if some units would be closer with a disc player like the Panasonic UB-420 to add active tone mapping.
It would definitely look different, but not necessarily better. The issue with using player based tone mapping over display based mapping is that the player needs to know what the display is capable of and EDIDs are not always a reliable source of that information.
WOw, what a video, I have not even gotten to the end, and I already gave it a like and comment!!! You Rock sir!!!
I've been watching projector reviews you posted and they are very informative. Can you please do comparision review of recently released LG CineBeam Q, Viewsonic M10 with probably winner from portable projector comparison and another one from higher price bracket?
Definitely the new LG, but probably not the viewsonic. I'm getting really fed up with Viewsonic these days, not only are they using deceptive marketing with "LED Lumens" and "RGB Laser Lumens", but in the US they are difficult to actually buy and models like the X2-4K have gone through multiple month long periods of being out of stock. For instance the M10 says it has "2,200 RGB Laser Lumens", but in a paper they have defined RGB Laser Lumens as 4.07x as bright as ANSI lumens, so that means that the M10 is actually only around 540 ANSI lumens.
I've been using the BenQ HT2050A (which was very highly recommended) for a little over a year in my basement home theater setup and also have the Happrun for camping/backyard use. The Happrun was $45 and the Benq was $750, and there's a giant difference when comparing them, but the Happrun works for my use cases and the free stretchy screen is a nice touch. The Benq is great and I have no regrets.
I know Benq replaced the 2050A with the 2060. You should consider testing that one too. I'm not sure how it would compare to your current picks, but it is also highly rated/recommended.
Dope shit as always. Would’ve loved to see the ViewSonic LX700-4K thrown in the mix. Reviewing it anytime soon?
It's not on my current list, Viewsonic X2-4K coming up next month though.
This video is very nice to watch ! With the % gap between two projector it's soon good
Very nice. I wish the Benq HT4550i was included as well... So Aurora Pro vs HT4550i, what would be your choice?
HT4550i was beaten by the LS11000 pretty handily in the dedicated theater projector video, and Aurora pro easily outperformed the LS11000 in this video.
The content here is legitimately top notch.
I watch way too much CZcams. LIke all the time, everything that I am interested in.
The Hookup is amazing quality certainly for projectors. But amazing for just any type of content.
Thank you so much for giving your time to make this comparison. Paris rhone gave tough competition to higher model. How sharp is the paris rhone compared to DLP or Laser 4k projectors. Is it marginal difference or negligible?
Surprisingly sharp, it's definitely native 4K... I've even disassembled it to verify: www.reddit.com/r/projectors/comments/1at9a1h/paris_rhone_4k_sp005_misinformation/
How does the wimius projectors compares to those? Like the p62? The amazon's reviews are very positive.
Wow! Excellent video,,, thanks
Hi, many thanks for another great video. Unrelated question: white wall vs cheap screen from Amazon (around £120), would there be any improvements? Just got basically a brand new Optoma GT5000 UST projector for £150 from the marketplace. Just wondering if it's worth going for one of the low-cost screens from Amazon or if it won't make any difference in comparison to my white walls.
I would see how the focus is first. UST's show all the imperfections of a wall, so usually a screen is better. If you are the minority and have a good enough wall without too many issues, it may not be worth it.
@@justinbeamon6624 Well the wall is far from perfect, although managed to get decent focus, just at the bottom less focus quality, but I can live with that as even subtitles are readable. But the more annoying part is that the paint has some texture and I can see it :) Thinking of getting one of these low-cost portable screens, found one as cheap as £60, grey colour so I would use mainly the curtain itself and DIY frame to avoid any wrinkles.
@@lmpoopingpigeon Oh yah the texture is the worst. Definitely a screen then.
Great video! I just got a cheapo 1080p projector from Amazon, with the last projector I purchased was a Sony XLR projector in 2005, and to my surprise for $60 bucks (after coupon code) the cheapo projector actually was good. Not great, but good. Something good for the kids to use, or take on a camping trip. The only real caveat is that the input lag is way too slow for gaming. But for $60 bucks I got a good, very compact projector that doubles as a good bluetooth speaker.
Incredible how good the Nexigo did even compared to a JVC Flagship! I would've thought the JVC would easily beat it but truly the difference isn't enough to justify the extra $9,200!
On anything over 100" screen the JVC blows it out of the water, also professionally calibrated makes a huge difference which wasn't done in the test here.
I pick up cheap JVC projectors like RS1 for under 100 used once in a while. The picture is really good. It puts consumer single chip DLP to shame. Definitely need a dark room though as they are usually sub 1000 lumens. Just no noise in the picture, quiet, inky blacks and great features with H/V lens shift and good zoom.
Can you suggest a way or a trick to make adjust horizontal keystone for a cheap projector which doesn't have that feature built-in but has only vertical keystone correction instead?
As I keep it on the side of my cot and the tilted image is blurred to one side.
Keeping on cieling or perpendicular to the screen is hard.
Can you give us a comparison between the Nexigo PJ30 Ultra and the Elephas W1K? I have noticed that they both look identical but I would like to know whose hardware is the original and what is the brightness since one says it is 800 ANSI and the other is 1000 ANSI.
It would be nice to know which one is the real one and which one is copying the other.
Thank you very much.
What a legend that man is🫶 Great video my man 🙌❤️
Just found out, that the nexigo pj40 gen 3 is also d65 calibrated. Do you think the gamut will be more precise then the software updated gen 2? Or are there some settings to get the best out of it. Out of your recommendation i bought it, the gen 3 was sold out though, also the gen 2 had a discount! Thank you for the hard work :)
There is a slight difference in the native color temperature of the PJ40 Gen3, but I don't think it's significant enough of a change to warrant needing one over the other.
Before I returned my PJ40 for a JMGO N1, I thought the firmware upgraded settings to the Gen2 enhanced the performance of the projected images. Although the D65 calibration settings were available in the firmware, only the Gen3 models have the upgraded hardware to exploit the D65 white balance utilities. I preferred the improved sharpness, colors gamut range and positioning features that I observed in the JMGO. For the price the PJ40 was very impressive and worth the purchase if it works in your environment. It was brighter than expected in an ambient lit room. FYI, I was willing to pay $500 extra for the upgrade.
Valiant effort comparing these projectors. It’s a near impossible task as individual use cases will sway value to performance metrics. For example, many people will want a larger screen (130” or more) and want to have their screen project both 2.35:1 as well as 16:9. Additionally screen gain and light control will play an enormous part in image quality. Your videos are great, arguably fair, and provide great information and comparison, but I just believe there are so many use case differences that make these comparisons a very difficult task. Great job, and know anyone who complains about these issues doesn’t recognize how Herculean a task it is to compare projectors as you have done.
Thanks. I tried to include as many of those "what ifs" as possible without making an hour long video :)
Thanks for this
I know it’s a stretch but any chance you could incorporate the LG HU710P into your next video? I’d love to see the test results. I guess all your videos are different in terms of low, mid and high budget but figured I’d ask. Love your videos man. Keep up the good work.
What's the best projector for doing small events and production? The quality doesn't have to be over 1080p latency doesn't matter at all. It needs is to be bright and and easy set up and be configurable at different distances
awesome video, now I need to decide between dangbei mars pro and benq gp500
GP500 is more color accurate but not as bright.
Can you please tell me what's the best and cheapest projector screen i can buy for Nexigo Pj40 Gen 2 and Nebula Mars 3??
do you have any videos where you talk about projector screens?
Amazing roundup as always - honestly when it comes to the Nexigo vs LS11000 comparo I have long suspected that the UST would at least have parity but I'm not surprised it comes out ahead. The UST form factor has some disadvantages, like zero flexibility, but the benefits of using a CLR/ALR screen made for UST's is actually huge, and it hurts my soul whenever I see people want to buy an UST and then pair it with some DIY spandex shit on the wall, or even just using the wall. I would have liked to see a long-throw normal projector specific ALR screen as well though. A Screen Innovations Black Diamond costs more than all these projectors except the JVC, but it would have been hugely interesting to see the JVC with one of those head to head with the Nexigo with the fresnel screen.
I currently don't have any long throw ALR screens that aren't just gray. I do have a Vividstorm "Obsidian Long Throw ALR", but it doesn't perform anywhere near a lenticular or Fresnel screen and actually ends up really messing with color accuracy.
@@TheHookUp Yeah, I suspect long throw ALR screen that doesn't introduce major issues is way way harder than a lenticular screen for USTs., and even then you still can't block light from above like an UST can.
I own a 135" ALR that is not just gray, but real ALR (Elite Screens) for long throw has one big disadvantage: A hot spot. Or better: it reduces the brightness at the corners. That is even worse when the project is not fully centered vertically and horizontally (and when does that ever happens?) If you now also sit not at the center of the screen, you lose even more light.
It's ok and still is better than a white screen for my situation, but it's not a perfect replacement.
I'm sure different ALR Screens for LTP make a difference, but I can't imagine that there will be no negative side effects with any of the ALR screens.
I knew someone that paired an SI Black Diamond screen with a Sony VPL-VW1100ES (I think) -- one of the earliest 4K projectors and new was around $25,000. The viewing experience was honestly awful. They had designed their theater with 2 or 3 levels of seating, but an aisle straight down the center of the room and all seating was off axis. Sitting off axis from the Black Diamond screen resulted in extremely noticeable light fall off towards the edges. This was also in a light controlled blacked out theater, so the Black Diamond screen was completely unnecessary and a basic Silver Ticket screen from Amazon would have given a better viewing experience. It was a super baffling setup.
So much science and interesting results, who’d of thought you could get such good results at that price
Definitely.
I think the moral of the story here is that good black levels on projectors are very expensive
Absolutely
I keep seeing amazing reviews for the Nexigo pro but every time I watch projector shootouts the formovie theater keeps winning.
What are your thoughts? Do you have a golden sample of the Nexigo or is the formovie just better after calibration?
Neither. I assume when you say that "you keep watching projector shootouts" you are referring to the projector central shootout which was covered by projectorscreen.com, projector central, and Chris Majestic, but those were all the same event with the same issue in that they failed to upgrade the firmware on the Nexigo before testing so they were using a VERY old firmware without dynamic black mode.
Brian (from ProjectorScreen) was super forthcoming about this in his write up:
*"We did already have a demo unit provided to us by Nexigo, however in sticking with the theme of only using retail units when available, we did end up purchasing one from Nexigo and had it shipped directly to the calibrator in preparation for the event.
Prior to performing any calibrations, he checks all projectors for any firmware updates. Unfortunately in this instance and at that time, there was no over the air (OTA) firmware pushed to this unit and we were not notified by Nexigo of a new firmware available and provided with that until after the Aurora Pro had already been received, calibrated and on its way back to the showdown.
The firmware updates from Nexigo are now pushed OTA and anyone who purchases a retail unit will be able to update immediately upon setup.
This is important because the firmware update for this unit has a positive impact on its overall image quality performance and in my opinion, am pretty certain that it would have scored more highly in the eyes of the judges."*
But for whatever reason Rob Saben at Projector Central did not include those notes, and in my opinion they should have pulled the Nexigo out of the competition completely (like they did for the LG) since they made a serious error that basically torpedoed the Nexigo's performance.
Projectorscreen also gave no weight to input lag or 3d support. Formovie Theater ranked #3 for dark room viewing in my video, which is essentially the test that projector central did. This was my review, and you can see that the Nexigo is clearly better than the FMT in a significant number of the tests: czcams.com/video/Ef0tNjGDoOU/video.html
Whats your opinion on the epson eh-tw7000 or 7100 if I might ask? Wanna swap my TV to a projector! Great Video by the way!
If I remember correctly, that's the Epson Home Cinema 3800 in the US market. It's a lamp projector, so I'm not super interested in reviewing it. The listed contrast is also 1/10th of the LS11000's contrast, which would be pretty bad, but you've got to take that with a grain of salt since epson uses dynamic contrast in their specs sheets.
@@TheHookUp thanks for the answer!. So many people talk shit about the nexigo pj40 and talk good about the epson, my budget is around 600-800€, I think i'll give the pj40 a try then. My surroundings can be pretty dark, most of the time dimmered light though. Afaik 600+ ansi lumen should be fine with it. Thank you again! :) may will be a good month then haha.
Can you do a review of the Ultimea Poseidon E40 ?
Great video! I own the Epson LS12000 which is pretty much identical to the LS11000 with additional brightness and contrast. I overall like the LS12000, but it has an issue with handing BT.2020 content that makes HDR sources somewhat unwatchable in my opinion. It's subtle at times, but it manifests as blotchy reds that disrupt gradients, and can produce super weird looking skin tones. I've posted extensively about this on AVSForum in the LS12000's owners thread and numerous users have confirmed across the board that all units are affected. I engaged Epson support as well and had a very lengthy exchange with their support people, and they eventually admitted it saying they'd look into it, but it's been months now without a fix. If you still have the LS11000 and are up for testing/documenting this issue I'd be happy to help walk you through it!
Also, at 16:50 you mention the JVC's subpixel alignment as a feature over the Epson, but the Epson does have this available. I've had to dial mine in a bit but it makes a big difference in perceptual sharpness.
Excellent video as always. You should try a fresnel screen made for long throw projectors to keep the comparisons on a more equal level. I use a 120 inch fresnel from yovanxer with my Sony XW5000ES, and the difference from my previous ALR screen is huge, also in a completely dark room. Much more of a difference than going from the previous Epson 6050 to the native 4K laser Sony.
I'll have to see if I can get my hands on one. Is Yovanxer a brand name or just a Chinese white label?
@@TheHookUp I do think they have a factory, but I know they buy their UST fresnel screens from fscreen. Fscreen also has 100 and 120 inch fresnels for long throw. I just took a chance on this brand, and it paid off.
So grateful for your research and videos. We don’t get a lot of models here in Australia, even via Amazon (prime).
I’m still trying to get the Xgimi Horizon pro after learning about the terrible black levels of the ultra.
They have discounted the Ultra here to around $2900 but the horizon Pro is still $2700 which is crazy. Wondering why it’s not on sale?
Not sure, Horizon Pro is a pretty old projector at this point, maybe it's being phased out?
I always wanted to see this....! ❤
Great work
Would really enjoy seeing your assessment of the
"NOMVDIC L500 World's Smallest Triple Laser Portable Projector"
when it fits into an appropriate video
I won't be reviewing it. I got a chance to see one in person a few months ago and it's not good. I don't know what the use case would be that you would want to sacrifice a tremendous amount of quality just to get a smaller package.