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(86) Master Lock Corporation Screws Up AGAIN!!
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- Master Lock Corporation screws up again with their cost-cutting. In their latest fiasco they modified the government contract locks by shortening the lock body and swapping the brass 6-pin core for a pot metal 5-pin core. It sets a new standard for low quality.
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thanks for the reference. Sorry you ran into the same issue as I had on my base. Just money grubbing companies taking advantage of an existing contract. Im sure government locksmiths tested the 5200 when they made the contract. $100 to $1 says itll faill all those tests now.
probably too late, but you can contact the GAO and get the specifications for the RFP under which these locks were purchased. If your locks don't meet the specs, a law suit can be filed on your behalf and you will get a percentage of the fine they levy against Master Lock.
New master lock slogans, "Master lock, Keyless entry at its best!" Or "Mater Lock, keeping the honest people out"
Died laughing
"Mater lock"
Yep, that checks out.
âThan a brother who works for Master corporation.....â đđ
Bill, I'm impressed with how you are a gentleman even when you rant. In the video you may be very angry with Masterlock, but your tone is still cool. Good for you.
I bet he was swearing up a storm when he first found out about it but by the time the video was being made the shock was over and the situation calmer
Wow! I would think the company would be held accountable. For our gov. contracts, we have to provide detailed drawings and specifications. If we swapped out parts that made an assembly inferior to what was supposed to be provided, we would be looking at a potential lawsuit.
I USED to hold Master locks in high regard, but no more.
When it comes to Master locks keys are pretty much just a throw in and aren't at all required.
Sounds like those 7-pin Commando locks should get a big contract. :D
awww +Bosnianbill , it hurts to hear the disappointment and utter betrayal in your voice.
I have been a locksmith for 7 years and if you want true security go mul-t-lock, telescopic pin design you can have them master keyed and add side pins for extra security and the padlocks have boron alloy shackles that are much harder to cut than the standard steel shackle, they also hagve tempered steel plate in the core at the drill point, they are expensive but worth it
You have a real knack for teaching !!!Thank you very much for your top quality posts!!
Hi Bill,
These cylinders are similar to the #21 type rekeyable cylinders.
To take these apart you turn the key 1/4 turn to the right and the cylinder pulls apart.
Hope this helps.
Rick
Better sister in pornhouse than brother in Master Locks :D
Jargo Rammus strong words for a not-so-strong lock
I really enjoy watching your videos. I really know nothing about picking locks or lock security, but it is something that i am interested in. I own a simple set of lock picks, that i have never been able to use successfully, and i own a set of bump keys, that i have never been able to use successfully either. thanks for putting these videos up, very informative.
I know right his is an older video, but I have 4 of these locks with same core.
Guess I'll repin them!
Thank sir!
Great video , even if Bills retired,
Hope your doing great Bill and anybody else that see's this
I am seeing Mul T & Medeco locks popping up more and more on the more sensitive areas, like antenna farms, potable water reservoirs, power plants, dams, etc. The Phoenix TV tower farm even has a Mul T Lock gate on their service entrance. It also, of course has a Mul T Lock pad lock on the Mul T gate. I'll get photos, now that I have your email address. Quite an impressive gate. My card had expired, and i was used to picking open the American Locks, but when I saw the Mul T, I called for a new key card.
Great review,thanks again
I know this is an OLD video ... but there's a letter "P" stamped on the "cam" in the bottom of the cheaper lock ... are you sure that's not an "adaptor driver" that sitting on top of the "cam" and can be removed (making the older style cylinder fit in?)
Can't they be taken to court for failure to perform or something and then you not give them your business any more.
You can file a complaint with the bureau of consumer protection, saying the product is harmful to your safety.
because a product like this shouldn't be allowed to be called a lock, maybe they should invent a new category for it "joke lock"
Mark R. how about âdoor stopâ?
Well Bill, sounds like you have some unfinished business with those locks and I recommend that you take out the .50 cal BMG rifle
Wow, brutal critique. I'll admit I spilled my coffee laughing at your brother/sister comment--ouch! Maybe this will open the door for a new supplier;) Thanks for posting.
I imagine the Master Lock board are sitting around a table with Voodoo dolls trying to stop these videos.
Master lock told me that Spool pins are not required here in the States. SPOOL pins are mandatory in EU.
So the question becomes...IF we buy (yes I did) newer American Locks, where can we obtain appropriate security pins?
mrlock.com
I suspect that you can still get the shorter cam and replace that with the original style American Cylinder. You also might have a little discussion with the procurement people to review the contract specs for this batch. The specs may not have been met and you could return the locks that have the Master cylinders. If the locks actually meet the spec, then you should have them change the spec to give you what you need.
The date code chart is also present in American Lock's A-004 commercial security products service manual; also available on the internet in .pdf format - what many people have done including myself is to make a screen capture of that chart and save it to your computer and to your smartphone...
Very informative video Sir.
I bought a Masterlock and upgraded it with an Abus body, shackle, actuator and ball bearings and an Abus lock, I threw the old scrap parts away didn't even keep em as spares. You can actually buy the upgrade ready assembled as an "Abus Padlock" pretty neat huh!đđ
Thereâs about a dozen types of actuators from Masterlock with varying lengths you could replace it with
Before you get all up in Master Locks face, consider one thing. The Government issues a specification for virtually everything they purchase and then they test to ensure that the item meets or exceeds their spec. In this case the Government probably came up with a spec that called for a forged lock body with a minimum 5 pin lock. They probably excluded multiplated built up lock bodies which are Master locks bread and butter so Master Lock chose to go with an American forged body with a 5 pin core. They were competing against how many other companies to get the contract so they are forced to cut corners to meet the lowest price possible while still meeting the spec. You want to blame someone, blame the people in the Government that made up the spec and created the syllabus for testing. There's your criminals, not Master Lock.
Glad to be in place, where we only get Abus and Ruko.
Awesome video. Too bad my arms room is filled with these locks.
I would be seeking appropriate legal counsel on this matter, especially considering your level of purchase.
The pins on the paper look like they are balanced on the top of the folds.
And in the Masterlock manual for the new cylinders there is supposed to be a way to take them apart without grinding off the crimp.
Damnit. I finally got my first one of these and it's the fraking ML version made in June of 2014.
that was great Boz
What do you do in the service? Pretty cool you get to work with locks.
I actually sent LSA those Bumpstop 5200s for his testing. I wanted to know how they worked and his honest thoughts on them.
By design the bump stop pin is supposed to rest in the upper area of the plug. It is not supposed to fall in. They figure if they can stop pin contact then they cant use the kinetic forces to bump the lock.
Only the new bumpstop models are supposed to have the new cylinders. They have the model numbers A5200GLN while the normal locks have A5200GL. Watch out when ordering.
Damn dude... I'm a new sub and having a pretty shitty day so I clicked on this video for a laugh like most of the other Master Lock videos that I've gotten around to so far. The absolute betrayal I can hear in your voice is heartbreaking.
The fact that you normally joke and throw (deservedly) childish insults to the company in your other videos and treat this video's subject matter so seriously speaks volumes to just how bad it really is, and to who you really are when the camera is off.
You're a true professional and this video really shows that. I had respect for you before based on your skills, but now I truly respect you as a person. You could have easily spouted off profanities and yelled for the duration of the video and you would have been fully justified to do so. Instead though, you put together a thoughtful and professional response to a serious security problem for the country just so a company can make as much profit as they can by cutting corners in the worst possible way. What Master has done here is absolutely disgusting and inexcusable in my opinion.
Even if you never read this I just want to say that you're good people, Bill. You're good people.
Thank you! It isn't often someone takes the time to send such a thoughtful message, so I really appreciate the kind words.
I have an old A.L. 5200 with 5 pins. The core looks like the one on top. Have it since I'm a kid and heard they would be easy to pick. Mine has just ZFL and US standing at the back though?
I remember when buying american (or canadian... I'm a canuck!...) was synonymous to buying quality... Unfortunately, no more, it would seem... Where is the pride in manufacturing superior products??
+MrBusDrivr ya tell me about it. I bought a couple things that said "made in America" in the hopes that it would be a quality product. wrong. I don't think people give a crap anymore. all they care about is making money. I bought a burns-o-matic torch (simple kind) and when I got it home and read the package it said that they actually designed it to break if it tips over or falls. after buying two and having the same problem with both after a couple uses. wouldn't even light and they were not abused in any way. they design this crap to break so we have to keep spending money. bunch of crap.. I don't have a lot of money to be throwing money away. that's money that could go to my kids or something.
I wish I could answer your question but I've never seen an Abus 15/65, nor can I find any reference to one. Can you send a photo? How many pins does it have?
Hey bosnianbill You got me thinking about my American Lock that I bought about a month ago to practice picking high security lock's. I found the box and sure enough, on the back it says "American Lock Company, A division of Master Lock Company". However it has 3 spool's and 2 serrated, along with pick gun resisting pins. The back say's ZNLmw series A1100. I'm just wondering if they have made some that don't have security pins in the time frame. Thank's and love the vid.
Hi Bosniabill. I just subscribed to your channel, and noticed you have a master crab ! - Me too! Just saying hi to a fellow brother!
Hey hugh! Not too many folks know what the crab is. Maybe that's a GOOD thing...
I think you may be correct ! . Very subtly done :-)
The shorter master core cannot be bypassed, unlike with the older American lock cores, due to different tail end geometry. This means it stops a quick/covert attack on some locks. The bypass weakness doesn't affect Government contract "US" locks, since they tend to have a key retaining actuator installed which makes the bypass impossible. Other locks, however, like the Master Pro Series, Spring-actuated American locks, and safety series benefit from the horizontal core tailpiece geometry innovation by Master. Admittedly, this is still one of the worst cores master has made with the new geometry--their Pro Series locks have better pins and have cores with the redesigned ends, too.
@BosnianBill looks like I will have to go with a bus, any suggestions for decent security?
you want biaxial locks. Not only do the tumblers have to at the right height, the have to be in the right rotational position.
Can Master go back to the original design? At least for gov contracts.
I just ordered 1 of these locks, saw your video and realized I have the same cheapo core. Is there a replacement available for the short bodied 5200gl padlock?
But the railroad version still has security pins and brass cylinders
Thats got to be a violation of thier contract with the government. You should return them for remachining so the other cores fit
Have you ever seen the American lock A790? Wonder how the core looks like in this high security model....
I do hope master lock had their contract ripped up and their arses handed to them for this. They sold these pieces of shit to a customer where national security could be on the line, and they think they can get away with it.
I made a pinning tray just like that way before I saw this video! great (cheap) minds think alike!! Lol
Usually everything meant to be "highly secure" is locked with one of these locks AND a anti-tamper band with registered number. Never saw a band removed without leaving evidence of tampering, usually scratched at the very least. Not to mention whatever it is likely has a guard not to far away. It is in a secure military location to begin with. These locks primary purpose is to protect our equipment from each other. Worse thief of the military is it's very own soldiers.
military makes huge orders that the manufacturer makes pennies per unit, and they end up saving costs where ever they can. happens with guns as well
true, good night ;)!
Hey Bill. I got an American lock series 5200 with the code ofh on the back. Is it any good or should I repin it
Bill were you an EOD tech? Noticed the crab at the beginning of the video...
MASTER Lock made the American locks the same standard as the "MADE IN CHINA" ones which we normally found in HK.
I have a abus padlock with no key looks like it had two ball bearings Abus 15/65 is that a hard lock to open?
How is it that you can't return these? Surely they didn't sell you what you were expecting.
If I buy this American lock on amazon will it have the bad core?
why worry about anti bumping when they make them that easy to pick!!! that really is a shame
did you figure out when they stopped using the crap pins and went back to security pins? I have a bad feeling the 50 series I just bought which has a rivet in it is 5 pin and easy to pick. Americans are my favorite toy I pop them every day. I will send it to you with some re pinned locks soon. my security kit came my universal lab kit comes today says ups.
I turned the core bottom to flat a punched it thru the smaller crimp
Do you know if America series 700 have the junck coors
These are the locks used to lock the case with the nuke launch codes... the launch codes are 00000000
roadhuntingfreak sad thing is this is completely true, or was they've recently changed the launch codes from 00000000
Hi bill
I dont know if this will help but
On cheap master locks #123 and so on i broke the lock open to see the core.i was able to turn the plug so the bottom of the keyway was just over the crimp in the housing and the plug slid out
These americans might have a tighter crimp.i just thought it might help
Thanks again for the vid
John
may I have the manufacturing date decoder
UEFo4 is the date of manufacture of my lock and its got 1 standard and 4 serrated pins on the bottom and on the top 2 serrated and 3 spools with serrations on the top and bottom. The core is 5 pin and looks quality. Master Lock might be listening to you. I bought the lock in I think 2010 or 2011.
Sorry, UEF is June 2004...older lock with security pins made well before the 2011 acquisition date. Wish I could have purchased older better locks...just blew $103 on 3 5-pin keyed alike NEW American Locks :(
UEF=June 2009, my bad
So use nails of the correct diameter and a dremel tool and file to make new pins for it.
Thank you QuestionXV for the great and practical suggestion.
Actually, the A-5200-GL is a 5-pin Solid Steel Body padlock with the nomenclature ACPT#15 -5-PIN CYLINDER, which is exclusive to government contract padlocks...
The ACPT#15 Cylinder is still available as an option or for replacement to existing stock, although this cylinder is said to be without the *Bump-Stop* security enhancement... You also might be able to retrofit the older ACPT#15 Cylinder into newer padlock bodies with the older actuator...
The latest generations of American government contract padlocks features the cheaper cylinder with the Master Lock W-17 or W-27 keyways, with W-27 reserved for master key systems.
It's also mentioned in the government supplement of the price book that retrofitting new cylinders into older padlock bodies require a different actuator to work.
The newer cylinder design is also said to be available with *Bump-Stop* technology, which uses top-gapping with a reverse rake tapered driver pin to create a gap between the key pin and the driver pin in at least one chamber, which is dictated by the bitting depth of that particular chamber.
Bump-Stop equipped cylinders are said to exceed ASTM F-886 Grade 6 criteria for resistance to bump attacks.
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The 6-Pin cylinder, the ACPT#14 is standard on all of their commercially sold products, available in a total of 6 standard keyways, excluding their "Edge" patented restricted keying systems.
(2 open and 4 restricted, factory sanctioned from commercial distribution channels or reserved specifically for limited distribution for higher security applications requiring enhanced key control.)
The nomenclature ACPT#12 is a 6-pin cylinder that has been keyed to 5-pins.
American Lock cylinders are available with stainless steel pins for drill attack resistance, and are normally factory keyed with serrated security pins for enhanced resistance to picking attacks.
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Go onto www.americanlock.com , go to the government section, and download the government price book .pdf supplement for free.
This supplement contains pricing information as well as NSN numbers, nomenclature charts and parts listings for these locks.
Well, I must say that I'm somewhat disappointed with that also. I have always liked the security features of the American locks. I guess it's safe to say that all the models have been changed or are in the process of being changed. That's sad, really sad.
i do not like master lock corp
they REALLY piss me off i will never buy one of those locks (never have)
I'll buy it
Not once did you mention that there are no springs in this lock? The solution is to add springs or send them back!
Do they still make them this way?
This is the voice of a tired man. Harsh words, harsh video.
What ever happened to integrity? You damn well they wouldn't use these inferior, substandard, basically useless locks to secure anything that has to do with their family or friends. What they should do is send them out as gifts, everybody could use a good paperweight!
AND HES SPONCERED BY MASTER LOCK
They're level 10 security lock the highest they have for civilians very easy to get into
Are the American Locks made today in the year 2018 good quality or bad cheap Master Lock quality?
Probably not. With Master Lock in charge, the overall quality has gone down slightly. They've reduced the size of some of the lock bodies and are only putting in 5-pin cores instead of 6-pin w/1 unpopulated. No chance to upgrade those. They've moved away from steel bodies and seem to be pushing the aluminum bodied locks. I guess that's cost savings. If you're looking to buy one, check out eBay for a used one. Then you can pin it up as a 6-pin lock with some alien technology inside to defeat pickers.
When the bullets are flying it's a bad time to realize all your equipment was made by the lowest bidder.
Gunslinger 11B the lowest bidder still has to meet the requirements of the contract, and at least for firearms and ammunition, those requirements are pretty high.
I found an American lock with the code PEE on it. :p
Shameful. How much money do they save on that?
And how much do the customers loose though inferior security...
They should have a cheapo line if they want, but they should maintain at least 1 high quality lineup of locks.
And don't ruin lock which used to be high quality, once the damage to the name is done it takes a huge effort to repair...
Did American Lock address this?
Didn't these used to be GSA or MILSPEC? Surely, Master's emasculated version of this lock doesn't meet the original requirements. I hope.
I don't know that much about locks, but I hate Master from the bottom of my heart.
Is this still an issue?
Has this issue been corrected or are these locks still junk?
No i just bought a ZnO coated (greenish) US American from October 2016 and its still the same with that bumpstop thing inside.Well people dont know the truth so they are complaining but all those roots came from Conservatives and Liberals.Liberals wants every lock to be available for easy entering while conservatives mind their own bussiness and property so they build in toughness.Because liberals want control aka 1984.Orvel,they make easy pickable locks so if you are their foe,they could enter ,you will slip on a banana core and voala no foe anymore and no one noticed any entering by force.Other thing is that military must have acess on locks ment for personel using not for locking shels and bullets so they make them crapy also for control if somebody is suspicious for behaving weird by their ideology.
I liked this just because he said I would rather...
Well done, master corporation. Fuck sake.
Master is most secured lock
Has this been addressed?
*close your eyes* Nicholas Cage, Are you narrating for Bosnianbill?
Forget nick cage this guy sounds like Ron Swanson. Tell me 5:30-5:50 isn't Ron Swanson.
bosnianbill Hey Bill can you help I've got an American Lock can you tell me what the batch date is of my Lock it has WEE on the Back. If you can let me know that would be great. Kind Regards Nicholas. N.
Bosnianbill Hey Bill thank you so much for that I love my American Lock it's a great Lock to Pick. Thank you again Bill for the Date that's a great help. :D N.
Please help me , what are the best locks that I can purchase under $50 ???? I always thought Master Locks were good until watching your videos !! I want to replace all my locks but I'm not a millionaire and need something secure but cost effective , need your help please !!!
you got a pretty face dude