New Porsche Cayenne S Diesel driven - car review
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Has Porsche's performance SUV finally come of age? Steve Sutcliffe asks whether the £61,474, 380bhp Cayenne S Diesel is a true Range Rover rival.
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Has Porsche's performance SUV finally come of age? Steve Sutcliffe asks whether the £61,474, 380bhp *Cayenne S Diesel* should have rivals like Land Rover worried.
Wow...i am a believer, and I want a job like this guy's job! I like my job too, but this is better :-) BTW, I will acquire a machine like this one for my wife, I hope!
yes
Range Rover Sport 4.4sdv8 even though not as fast it's a great opponent having all terraing capability.
just bought a used one 9 month old been my biggest purchase but these cars are without hesitation worth the money in love with it
How reliable is it
@@koyamma9575 keen to know too
Makes a not bad noise for a diesel! Excellent performance. Not my kind of car but it has my respect. Great machine.
I'd absolutely love to own one of these, and that steering wheel looks damn good.
Nice camera at 3.22 may I ask what it is please?
How long does it take for the engine oil to get warm? Takes longer than the water
Fantastic review ! Steve Sutcliffe nails it again.
did the v8 version come to canada?
Imagine a cayenne turbo s diesel! It will pull an island on full throttle!
allcarguy kind of like the Audi Q7 V12 TDI that handles well.
+allcarguy what do you mean?
@@dimitrisribery He means kind of like the Audi Q7 V12 TDI that handles well.
GREAT REVIEW!!!!
Perfect combination
Perfect SUV
Did I understand wrong the invesment for steering wheel 20m ?
Great review
WhAt kind of mpg does it get??? I mean that's kind of the reason to buy a diesel right?? If u mentioned it I missed it
Coming to Canada ?
NO OTHER 4x4 is touching this thing. The turbo S is a pure animal & this 1 is just Perfect. X5's are boring/good. Merc's ML/GL boring/good & the G63 wagon is a monster & the fact it looks like a toy makes it more interesting. Lol the LAND/RANGE ROVERS, ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS! I have friends that work at Land rover & they can vouch for the fact that cheap shitty material is used in JLR products. Considering how long LAND ROVER has been making 4x4's they still can't sort out the RR's suspension issues. Porsche WIN's hands down. Well built, great looking & goes like sting.
In the interests of exclusivity I think Porsche should limit the Cayenne to only 2-derivatives - the Cayenne Diesel S above & the Turbo S. And then ditch the other Cayennes' which includes the GTS & others. Too much of Cayenne models really hurts the brand.
Monique Marella I agree with you. But Porsche is about to destroy the brand by the introduction of the Macan and the Cayman. Completely useless.
My point exactly. (panamera, panamera s, panamera diesel, panamera gts, panamera turbo, panamera hybrid, etc)
I need this in my life...
I've got a new Porsche Macan S Diesel on order (deposit paid) - but now I read that Porsche will no longer produce ANY more diesels across the range. I am mad - I wanted a diesel, which would suit my needs
I've had my new Macan, now for almost 4 years. It's petrol fuelled and I'm perfectly happy with it.
Mpg???
awesome sound!!!
absolutely the best all round/ the only car I'll ever need
Why don't car manufacturers design a steering wheel where only the outside turns, but the centre, with all its buttons and airbag, remains fixed ? That way,. you know where each button is, even when you are turning.
Like old Citroen
By gabbing @ 3:24 the driver nearly kill a cycler !!!
The ultimate multi purpose vehicle! Kudos porsche.
was this a Comercial?
I wish this DIesel S would be available in the U.S.
Are they as reliable as the toureg TDI?
They’re as reliable as the Touareg TDIs. My old neighbor still has a 2006 Touareg TDI after 200k miles
Magnificent
Can we get that in the us
personally i find track times and nurburging lap times don't mean shit. I'm a die hard car guy, but i think track times should be reserved for tack cars. and if i were to hit up the track id do it in a track car. road cars should be just that, so what i look for in a car is speed, acceleration, power and crazy styling. thats why my heart has always belonged to lamborghini. just a big ol engine with crazy amounts of power and crazy style. and now onto the porsche... this thing is sweet, so much power and torque? i think id have this over the turbo, and i think this would be the porsche id go for right now... unless they stick this motor into a cayman chassis
I have seen Mr. Sutcliffe ´s latest reviews, and he seems to be surrended to diesel powered cars. They are indeed superior when it comes to torque, specially in such heavy vehicles like this porsche. Is diesel nowadays, if not more, as exciting as gas powered cars?
nearly knocked the cyclist over! lol
not a word said regarding fuel economy?
His lane discipline is pretty shit tbh, he's driving all over the place.
lane discipline? wtf are you talking about?
@@catalinxnecula Wtf did you just watch?
Gone like the wind! when it comes to acceleration! My kind of car, we gets ghost!
I find it ironic and downright disturbing that throughout the video as he's touting the agility and superb handling of the SUV, he's never attempted to stay in his lane on an open public road.
It's like and angry hyppo that moves like a croc
Im take this car over M50d x6
Why not buy the cayenne s petrol 3.6 V6 very close on performance figures and sounds better ?
I'm sorry but Porsche will have to produce the receipts for their claimed 20M spent on developing this steering wheel before i'll believe it
idiot that wheel was designed for 918 at the first and whole car is exotic so no wonder designing that steering wheel costs 20M
User996 its 20 million to design the steering wheel - that's an awful lot of money like around 20 times the price of the car and don't call people names for no good reason, its rude and unnecessary or are you just here to troll people?
scomberscombrus unfortunately for some he/she can say what he/she wants to anyone in these comments.
User996 It didn't take them €20 000 000 worth of engineering to develop this steering wheel, that's for sure. I myself am an engineer and I tell you with all the confidence that it's just all lies. One must be mentally challenged to believe in such nonsense.
sliwka621 It took more than $750 million to develop the Gillette Mach 3. I think it's quite believable that the steering wheel was 20 million in development and research.
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Another awesome diesel vehicle we won't get in the U.S., because this country is fucking dumb...
Also, it's hilarious to me that people are still amazed by how much torque the diesels make. Haha, why'd you think we love them!
Doesn't sound half bad for being a diesel.
20.000.000 for a steering wheel design !? What an idiocy to spend that much money for something that every Italian designer could do out of fun. I believe they make sketches like this on a napkin while having lunch or a coffee break :-) Although, you don't want to interrupt Italians on their coffee break or, God forbid, a lunch time :-) That's a holy Grail for them :-)
Comedy videos of 1) pulling something MASSSSSIVE 2) drag racing hot hatches 3) getting air off a muddy hill then traversing a river while smoking a cigar.
Make it so.
What's the 1/4 mile time??? That's the only number that truly counts.
Imagine a 6 speed manual!
I see they're finally integrating actual paddles onto a multifunction steering wheel
Very nice I'll have the Range Rover
what you have to be doing in life to be able to afford this? without credit. My whole retail business is not worth even half of that... :/
For a family man the back window needs to expand for better viewing and back sit needs more room for the knees.
sounds great for a diesel
off road that saved porsche.that is a finest diesel to pull a caravan
I think porsche can get more out of this engine. I mean the Q7's 4.2 liter turbocharged V8 diesel is almost in that class. It got around 335 Bhp, 560 pound feet of torque and this engine is getting a bit old. Porsche could make it to 400 bhp and around 640 pound feet if they wanted to.
xBuzz996 of course they can... but how are they going to sell next gens cayenne if they tune it for maximum output now? the design costs are too great to do a full engine design as porsche releases their latest generation cars in one go.
Remember that 626lbft at 2750rpm is exactly the same torque at the rear wheels as 313lbft at 5500rpm, because you can gear that one twice as short. In other words, the 991 GT3 high revving engine has 324lbft at 6250, which is simply MORE torque at the rear wheels than this diesel, when both are geared to do say 60mph at their max power RPM value. Torque alone is a meaningless value guys! Its not rocket science either! :-)
Niels Heusinkveld There are some errors in your statement. 1. "626lbft at 2750rpm is exactly the same torque at the rear wheels as 313lbft at 5500rpm" - it results in the same power being produced. 313 lbft does not equal 626 lbft at any rpm. 2. "...simply MORE torque at the rear wheels than this diesel," - It's more power, not torque. Torque x Engine Speed = Power.
So what you're saying is an engine which needs to be over 5500rpm is better for a 2 tonne plus SUV than one which can pull properly without revving the tits off it? Ever heard of things like engine wear, fuel economy, NVH or even - and this is the killer - response? Yes I mean it because the diesel will almost always be in it's power where that little revbox would need a few downshifts and building up the revs by which time this would already be 20mph up. Good luck catching that up.
Also you're theory about more torque to the wheels at more rpm is terrible. Torque is torque. Power is a measure of torque over time. "torque at the wheels" as you say is actually calculated as thrust. The torque number stays constant but the thrust goes up or down depending on gearing. Yes the petrol can use shorter gearing but even if you ignore the massive din it would create, the fuel it would waste and the other issues it would cause, you still have to remember transmission losses are usually a fairly constant percentage of power - not torque. That means all the time your petrol is over it's 5500rpm it's effectively losing more power between the engine and wheels than the diesel because as we already know power is torque over time.
If you want to know more please go back to school. It's very basic physics to the point where it's almost embarrassing to have to explain it to someone.
I never talked about anything else than torque as a single value is meaningless. It needs to be seen in relation with the RPM at which it is produced, as well as where the engine has its max power, giving us the 'operating range'. A large tire has to turn roughly 800RPM for a car to do 60mph. An engine with 626lbft at 2750rpm has to be geared down 3.44 times, making 2152lbft at the rear tires. A 313lbft engine at 5500rpm has to be geared down 6.88 times, making 2152lbft at the rear tires. That's all I'm saying. In many car reviews torque is taken as an absolute. The value may very well not mean much if the engine as a whole can't rev high.
Niels Heusinkveld
Exactly. You're maths doesn't really add up in real life but even if we pretend friction doesn't exist that still means you're saying that a petrol running 6.88 gears is acceptable. Seriously people won't put up with that kind of rubbish in a car these days.
Niels Heusinkveld Even though it's clear that you understand the topic very well, what you stated in the post on which I comment is either incorrect or, perhaps more likely, incomplete.
Another Porsche Cayenne review and now there will be haters talking about off roading Blah Blah!!!! How many buyers of Range Rover or GL class or BMW X5 or even Porsche drive it off road?? For those who love to drive on the road Cayenne is the best SUV
The thing is, it's still better off-road than it needs to be considering how it will be used.
There was a review a year ago or so with the Cayenne vs the Range Rover in off-road conditions and the Cayenne did absolutely everything the RR did.
True, they did not went to the extent to put them in conditions where they would really get stuck, but the conditions were treacherous enough to cover more than what these cars will ever face in their lifetime.
Regarding performance BMW SUVs are as fast and som of them even faster than Cayenne turbo, with more space.
It's the most ugly thing on 4 wheels, it realy dont get that front styling
Martijn Vugts
Pontiac Aztec? A Cayenne isn't good looking but it isn't ugly, just a but vulgar from some angels.
My nxt car will be a cayenne
If you're going to review it, I'd have thought that you'd learn to pronounce it.
The hot rod SUV proposition is absurd but I cannot fault PORSCHE's engineering (or their business sense - he said with a wee dash of cynicism). Do I want one? Yes, I confess, Lord help me, I do.
we live in a fuckin crazy world... where a steeringwheel takes 20 million pounds to be designed.
Why on earth would you have a range rover or evoque when u can have a porsche??
Becuase the Range Rover is better?
No It's a diesel so it's not from the RS5
There's a road like that down to the beach near my place and I meet idiots like Sutcliffe coming toward me on the wrong side of the road every other day. If you are going to do a review of a road car on a public road then drive the thing properly. Or are you incapable of maintaining your lane on gentle bends at low speed.
It's about time some of these morons, who review cars, showed a little responsibility.
at 3:24, Sutcliffe on the wrong side of the road, cyclist in the middle of the road. guess the rider felt the same way as you, i know i wouldn't be happy having a face full of SUV heading my side of the road. having said that if you really like driving roads like this then hitting corner apexes is the most fun and safest way to navigate through them BUT only when you can see through a corner is it safe to do that. most of the footage here shows a lot of cutting through blind bends with inconsiderate regard for any other traffic travelling the opposite way.
buying a diesel in canada is stupid now lol. 20 cents more expensive then gas so all your savings are thrown out the door
BMW X5 or Cayenne ? What to buy ?
Cyclist on the outside of his lane and you're wrong side of your line? Very silly?
These headlights are some of the worst I have seen lately. I'm sorry, but even a VW can do better lights setup.
Porsche takes diesel engines from Audi
I really hate when reviewers start to compare torque figures on diesel vs petrol engines. Listen guys petrol and diesel engines have different gear ratios because diesels max out at 4K rpm and many sport petrols at 7-8K rpm. You just CAN'T directly compare torque on engines that are designed to run at very different rpm's.
Is this the poverty pack? No keyless entry or push start/stop . . .
That is one big dinosaur ICE engine.
Porsche(i.e. VW group) are the only germans that build diesel v8s nowadays. BMW and Mercedes don't anymore, and for good reason.
They're huge, weigh a ton, consume a lot of diesel, produce a lot of toxic exhaust, and don't really add much performance compared to modern 6 cyl(or even smaller with electric assistance).
For example BMW have sold their 381hp 6-cyl diesel for a couple of years now in the 550d, 750d, x5 and x6 50d.
Utter and complete bollocks.
How about coming up with a fact that contradicts my post, are you capable of that? You nickname makes me think not.
tali sson Shall we start with the obvious and basic ones? How about noone making diesel V8's? Look it up. There are quite a few about. They're huge (wrong), weigh a tonne (wrong), consume a lot of diesel (wrong), produce a lot of toxic exhaust (wrong).
They are not huge. The V8 layout has been used for so long by so many partly because of it's compact dimensions. It also places the weight further back and lower down which usually gives a better centre of gravity and/or easier packaging which then leads to the car's structure being more efficient. They don't weigh a tonne - agian for the displacement a V8 is relatively light and modern diesels use aluminium rather than old iron. The weight thing really is a very old and outdated argument which these days is complete rubbish. They don't consume a lot of diesel. Show me a petrol that uses a similar amount of fuel to this for the power it makes. Hybrids don't count because they fudge the test and never get anywhere close to their claims. Produce a lot of toxic exhaust? Well on that one you kid of have it right but again these days it's an old and stupid argument. Modern diesels use urea injection and dpfs which mean by the time the exhaust comes out it's far cleaner than a petrol. If you want proof read the outputs from each or even easier have a look at the exhaust tip of both. The petrol will have soot where the diesel won't.
The BMW diesel is indeed better at turning fuel into power but it's also heavier, longer and taller by the time you take the triple turbo set up into it.
Of course you know better than Porsche though, don't you? Maybe they should run a 4cyl petrol in this thing because then it could outrun a laser and use less fuel than a bicycle?
What this boils down to is that you're just another ill informed mouthpiece spouting crap on youtube because secretly you wish you could afford to run a car like this.
I'm all ears though. I'd love to know how Porsche (the massive company with billions worth of development budget, some of the best engineering brains in the world and access to many different types of engine) managed to get it so wrong and how you know better.
Lets hear it then, genius.
hung huge
Try reading what I wrote in the post again. First, I said no other GERMAN is building diesel v8s.
Second, this v8 is heavier than the v6's, including bmw's triple turbo unit. Remember that this unit not only has two extra cylinders that add weight, it has turbos too. Two of them in fact.
Third, no Porsche shouldn't focus on ICE at all. They should invest 100% in electric vehicles, because that is the future. And if they did I'm sure they'd be one of the few able to rival Tesla.
FWIW I could buy any Porsche I'd like, cash. Except for the 918. (I work with IT in the banking sector). But I don't want to. The only car I'm really interested in is the Tesla Model S, but since i live in central Stockholm I don't really need a car. So I just read about them for fun.
tali sson Why should Porsche invest 100% in electric when they hold a niche performance car market for petrol heads. There is no business case for Porsche to do that. You work in the banking sector, business model should be right up your alley. I seriously doubt any competent Tesla is going to give the same driving thrills as say a 911 GT3 screaming at 9000 rpm.
For some reason I still feel like id feel superior driving a Range Rover sport. I don't know why though. Hmmmm Porsche seems fishy....
Don't drive like this on public roads.
This guy would fail his test, can’t stick to his lane. Poor review
New BMW X6 m50d beats it easily
This guy doesn't know how to *drive*
I hate this car. In my opinion, it, or rather the whole segment, shouldn't exist.
Easy for Porsche: just take an Audi engine from the shelf :)
I'm sure it's a staggering vehicle mechanically but it's fawking hideous.
By the way, PORSCHE IS NO LONGER OWNED BY VW. Independent baby!!
So porsche finally put the VW Touaareg V8 on their Cayenne... Just another VW product tunned to make more money out of you.
So it still is the same silly barge as before: compromised handling because of the very high centre of gravity and the extremely heavy diesel engine, higher wind resistance, 2 tons of weight, higher tyre degradation, worse all-round visibility, ostentatious look.
So still the only viable reasons to buy this thing is for boasting, you're a soccer mum and/or the high driving position which makes it easier to get in and out than in a normal car(i.e. what the elderly want).
Wow. So much bullshit and jealousy in one comment. You must be a pro. I guess it's the family business.
you are obviously looking at it expecting supercar performance, if that is what you want yes you are right, but for a big comfy suv this is actually a really nice vehicle.
Dario kruzk
The point is put the same drivetrain into an estate body and it does everything better than the high Cayenne, no need for Supercar properties. Only thing is you don't have the high driving position, but why you'd want that from a company that made their name in motorsport I don't know. It's a philosophy thing. I like effective, purposeful vehicles and the Cayenne is just too much of a 'check how big and important my p. extension looks'-car.
No offense to anyone who likes this or bought one, do what you like, that's just fine.
And journalists, maybe after countless years of sporty SUVs it's high time to stop being surprised at how fast these things are. It's getting old, really old. Put so much power into almost any modern heavy car and it will perform good in a straight line. They did that back in the '20, '30 already, no big deal.
Dick Wrinkles maybe its for ground clearance, or they just didnt want it to look like a estate body for the looks.
Dick Wrinkles If you take your philosophy further why should any car be allowed to have more than say 100hp? I mean that's enough to pull pretty much anything about, isn't it? Why have extra speed for no good reason? Why have more seats than you need? Plenty of single people and couples have 4-7 seat cars for no reason whatsoever. Surely they should all buy 2 seaters like the smart car since it's efficient and all they really need? Putting this drivetrain in an estate would make it do some things better, granted. It would also compromise it in other ways. Some people like the high driving position - infact with the amount of crossovers now you pretty much need it if you want to see where you're going. Speed bumps are everywhere and roads are becoming far worse by the year. There are some actual benefits from having a car like this.
why is it so ugly?
i will yell it over and over again, the cayenne, panamera and macan are not Porsches
Get a real SUV and buy a Range Rover, not this rebadged VW sh!t
Porsche styling is stuck in the 1980s/90s!!!!!
+Viking Power Ohhh how ignorant you are!
Ummm, I seriously test drove one of these today with vast excitement and it was the worst diesel I have EVER driven re turbo lag (FROM STANDSTILL) ... and that includes trucks. We did 5 launches from zero and agreed that turbo lag was about 1.5 seconds.... what a heap of $hit. We took it back within 10 minutes and then tried a few launches with my humble ford territory single turbo diesel.... and agreed that my Ford had about 1/3 of the porsches disgraceful turbo lag.... Sorry porsche - complete fail..... anyone thinking of buying one DO NOT just floor it on the move (it goes great then)..... do a few standstill takeoffs and you will laugh your guts up.