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First Cop Charged In Fatal Shooting Under THIS New Law - Find Out Why
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2022
- Former San Leandro Police Officer Fletcher was involved in an Officer Involved Shooting on 04/18/202 at a Walmart in San Leandro California after responding to a theft in progress and the suspect was armed with a baseball bat. After the District Attorney's Office in Alameda County reviewed the case, they brought charges against Officer Fletcher for Manslaughter under the new California use of force law. In this episode, Phil Downs, a Civil Defense Attorney who represents officers, is back on the show and breaks down why charges were brought against Fletcher.
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My thoughts? My standard reply when I see leo charged in legit use of force.The officers department should stack badges and creds,let politicians and district attorneys catch calls
I’m from Oakland and I go to this Walmart all the time. The cop should have waited for backup. A woman shot up the police station and they took her alive. That’s what’s frustrating people so much. We see white people being talked too. After they’ve killed taken to Burger King. This guy has a bat and didn’t hurt a soul and less than 10mins he’s dead. These dumb laws will continue to be passed because of the double standards. That’s all these laws are meant for. They are meant for black people not to get killed the first 5mins of cops responding to a situation. And that new California law is stupid! It’s like telling adults at work to shower when they get home. That should come automatically.
I’m an electrician who always wanted to be a cop. My dear friends are cops and I grieve for them that the system is so tough.
you'd have to be nuts to be a cop in California at this point.
You get paid like 50 an hour starting!
I'd imagine it feels like doing a construction job with movie prop tools. The goldilocks zone for policing is razor thin, but California has way over corrected!
100% Cali is a garbage state, those cops need to flee to a real state with a decent cititzenry.
You have to be nuts to be a cop period.
It's time to walk away.
@blackfalcon1324 are you taking their extremely high cost of living into account?
When he wins, he needs to sue the DA’s office for malicious prosecution.
Hey guys, I had difficulty watching this on my home theater had to switch to my phone due to the deep bass audio mix. Lots of pops and low frequency noise. Great show thanks a ton and keep up the good work.
How about:
1.Wait for cover
2. Go hands on
3. Go hands on
4. Go hands on
why are some Leo's so quick to tase? COMPLACENCY! being out of shape, weak, and unprepared is not ACCEPTABLE once you take the oath.
This was great. I cant believe you only have 5k Subs. and this video only has 94 likes.
This will definitely be my #1 go to podcast from now on. Thank you so much.
Thank you! We’re trying… the channel has been growing.
😂😂😂
@@shotsfiredpodcast50couldn’t understand the attorney- the mic and or his tone -
And the new statute should of been explained BEFORE all the talk- you have viewers wondering WTH your talking about- and the need to stop video and research it!! Your tactic to define it later thinking viewers would have to stay and watch to find out is a manipulative deceitful one!
Progressive laws & agenda are going to be the downfall of our country ! As a sr American Chinese in San Francisco they want to tie the hands of my rights to defend myself & law enforcement to uphold the laws of the land!
Already happening
If the officer is going to be sued i would leave the force . As this is again givin criminals more rights than victims .
California went too far with the changes to this bill, I wouldn't be a cop in California
Retired SoCal officer here. I've seen officers shoot someone for a lot less that aren't charged though they should be. I've seen too many recent shootings that cops of my generation would never had taken. However, this shooting should not be charged. Despite laws, there is no real standard. It is up to the political climate of the jurisdiction. No way this would have been charged in Orange County, Riverside, Kern, Tulare Counties etc... It is a politically driven prosecution.
My problem is the cop actually walked upto the guy, their noses were practically touching. It just seems odd that the cop felt like he could safely do that, but then had to shoot the guy when backup was legit seconds away, while the guy was basically standing there.
This is sad to read. How did this happen?
If the charging DA was being threatened by an individual with a bat I can guarantee he would want any available officer to get there as quick as possible.
Yup and now every officer on that department, whatever county it's in and shit cops in that state are going to say "nah let's slow roll to that".
Meaning crimes going to further spike because cops could care less to get there and get the guy.
that DA better not call the police for help
@@anthonywyma6232 so be it. The people will figure out they need to defend themselves and not be sheep.
the question turns on to what extent there was imminent threat that required immediate action or could the officer wait for the backup. Walmart staff indicated concern but not that the bat wielder was threatening anyone. There were other options while waiting for backup including removing customers and staff from the area and then waiting for backup. Waiting for backup after removing innocents from the scene would have increased both officer and bat wielder's safety. Grabbing for the bat while holding the taser and then the firearm was very dangerous. Holding the taser in one hand and the firearm in another is absurd. Typcially if possible the taser should be employed while another officer provides lethal force options (maybe leverage two additional officers). Fletcher was attempting to take on three roles at once. IMO, not very smart. If hands on was an appropriate option, then waiting for backup would have increased the success of this strategy. I would expect a more considered strategic approach from a 29 year veteran.
Probably the most comprehensive breakdown of 835a I’ve heard. Thank you! However, he started talking about the word “Necessary” and the conversation was redirected before he could finish his thought. If Phil returns to the show I’d be really interested in hearing his thoughts on the definition of necessary, which seems to be an unknown at this point.
Great interview! I will be sharing this with all of our K9 Handlers.
So let me get this straight, after watching the paired together videos from the body cam and bystanders video. The guy comes at the cop holding a bat. Cop pushes suspect away while drawing his firearm and tazor. Suspect comes back at cop, cop fires tazor, suspect still comes at the cop, so cop fires and they’re going to charge the cop? What a joke.
Yes, he was charged with manslaughter. Trial of pending… he was charged because of the new use of force law in California 835a PC. They’re saying, he went there by himself when he should have waited for his backup because their was no imminent threat to anyone for him to go solo. New law requires that. We did this episode to educate cops on new laws to prevent this from happening.
@@shotsfiredpodcast50I understand that. Merely commenting on the absurdity of the charge. I commend you on this podcast. I think it will be great for John Q. Public to learn more about policing, and the various issues you guys face day to day. I come from a law enforcement family, saw enough to know that I wouldn’t want to do the job. Things like this though make me question why anyone would want to do the job. Thankfully, people are still willingly walking that line. Great podcast! Looking forward to more.
I retired in ‘97 after thirty years and would not recommend this job to anyone. This law will cause officers to slow their roll, wait for back up while the suspect does bad things to innocent people. It seems that ambitious prosecutors have cops in their sights and it’s just not worth the risk anymore.
I did 26 yrs in a large agency in Texas. Retired in 2012 before the sheet show started. Would not recommend this LE to a family member.
What I learned from this video is never be a cop in California or anywhere in the 9th circuit for that matter. Nice interview thanks for the informative information. It's not coming everywhere. Your state and Illinois are stupid!!!!
If the police continue to respond to calls they should assume they will be charged.
Stop assuming you can continue to serve.
You can't.
Now chose.
Hint... getting fired for not acting is better than doing time.
Let nature take its course.
@@marcgrundfest1495 I would not be proactive in Cali. Drive the speed limit to all calls, wait on assist..
He should not be charged everyone in that place was in danger!
Damn this guy is so well spoken. It’s honestly worth noting
No contact, No complaint. Show up to work, get paid, leave.
As a pro police citizen I do think changes needed to be made in law enforcement. But, as usual California went way to far with it!!
When releasing a dog in a dangerous situation is considered deadly force, they went to far!! This is ridiculous
Keep up the great work! I love this podcast and all the cool stories you guys have!
It doesn’t just impact law enforcement, it impacts basic self defense rights
Where oh where will society find enough manpower to do this? And secondly if this expert lawyer didn't understand the complexity of this statute is a n everyday officer expected to understand this?
100% no.
So if the cop takes action to prevent harm to himself or another citizen, he can be liable. If he waits for back up and someone gets hurt, they call him a coward and sue him for harm to the citizen. Sometimes you just can’t win.
If you have never been in from of a weapon or a bat then you wil never know how it feels on the receiving end.the officer gave enough commands more than enough .when he grabbed the bat with both hands that is an attack . Good job officer.
Im sorry for commenting so much, I just found this channel yesterday.
I think a lot of the problem with modern policing today is
1. The media, they extremely left, and they often paint cops in a bad light! It really angers me when a black man is shot by police and they run it over and over and don't tell the whole story. They paint all cops as racist!
2. Especially the new generation of police have an us against them mindset. A lot of that can be blamed on the media!!
Not every citizen is a criminal, and we shouldn't be treated as such every time we have an encounter with police.
3. Citizens, more and more, are losing trust in police officers.
Mostly because of the media painting cops in a bad light.
Some because of encounters with bad cops, I know a few of those myself, but I also know a lot of good cops. I know a lot more good cops than I do bad cops.
I don't know how to fix these problems, I think you guys showing cops in very dangerous situations and trying to save lives is a great way to help with this.
Thank y'all for what you do. I, for one, greatly appreciate y'all!! 🙏❤
All cops are bootlickers.
Your it's only a few bad apples falls flat.
Uvalde was not A FEW BAD APPLES it was every cop their was a bad apple
Which means whomever makes the apples is selling ROTTON APPLES.
And let's say some are not rotten.
By being in the same bag as the rotting ones they get contaminated and the infection spreads.
Blue wall of silence
Cops keep the curropt goverment safe
The rich safe
And keep the poor where they belong in jail or on the street.
I want to tell y'all something I witnessed in person.
I live in northwest Indiana, I was at Family Express gas station in Roselawn Indiana, right off I-65.
An off duty state cop was inside and he was angry because he had to work that night. He was telling the cashier everybody had walk the line that night or he was gonna, F*** them all up!
So if would have shot somebody that night, is that premeditated? Should he be charged?
We don't need cops like that on the roads, he planned on being a Ahole to everybody because he didn't want to work that night.
Please give me your thoughts on this
I think if you do you’re job right and aren’t on a power or ego trip you will not end up in jail. It is definitely not any easy job no doubt about that. This is to protect us from the bad cops. There are unfortunately bad cops but there are I feel more good cops out there. Unfortunately some people take the job for all the wrong reasons. I’m personally sick of paying for lawsuits for cops with multiple excessive force lawsuits. Stay safe everyone
What I gathered from this prosecutor update.
1. Don't be a cop in Commiefornia.
2. Commiefornia does not allow an officer presented with the immenent threat of serious bodily injury or death the inherent right afforded by the constitution to defend themselves.
3. Commiefornia wants indecisive officers who don't want to be the next legal guinea pig to allow innocent citizens to suffer the wrath of maniacs at the expense of public relations.
4. Want to just reiterate point 1 here. Don't be a cop in Commiefornia. Plenty of red states that allow officers to do their jobs correctly and defend citizens and themselves from the imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death without facing 10 years in prison.
54:28
This has always been every civilians thought when interacting with police.
Sound level has too much bass. Had to turn it all the way down. Good podcast though.
I am obviously late to the party since this video is 9 months old. However… I’d definitely take into consideration that the suspect had an altercation with other shoppers, and continued to have unrestricted access to potential victims. I feel like this would be an affirmative defense of the officer’s decision to engage.
the officer could have cleared the area of customers and staff while waiting for backup to arrive. This may have eliminated the need to immediately go hands on by one officer.
If you want to avoid all the useless talk and advertisement, go to 3:22. You are welcome!
Is a 2 man unit a good idea yes. However, for smaller agencies with limited budgets, lack of manpower, etc that idea is nothing more than wishful thinking. My agency for example has 1 Officer for a population of 2000 plus in an area of 5 square miles. The county only has 1 deputy per 12 hour shift to cover 200 square miles. The concept is sound in a perfect world, but does not work for most departments in the real world.
Imagine if instead of sending billions and billions of dollars to other countries, we spent that money to police our own?
Saying speed is never a good thing is simply wrong. I understand is premiss and taking a breath before deciding is right where time is available (which it is 99.9% of the time). But there are times you need to act fast and with extreme violence. Speed, surprise and violence of action always rings true. In an AAO, the most violent person wins.
You’re 100% correct. That was more in the context of a stale situation where time is on your side.
Why do cops retaliate on good citizens if they want to help? Cowards
I personally love the idea of having officers in pairs. I do not foresee it happening in the near future, mostly because it seems like all departments cannot fill the openings they have now but it will surely be a huge burden on most departments budgets.
It will happen when officers refuse calls for service en mass..
We have about 2 or 3 years max
Great video
Thank you!
What were the three cases?
objective reasonableness is common sense I didnt know the academy needs to teach officers to have common sense
I know this is a pro police podcast but that cop should have been charged! He wasn't advancing on the officer, his life wasn't in danger. If he would have waited for more backup this wouldn't have ended in this mans death.
The reason I think he should be charged in this case is I think he shot to fast. There was enough distance between them for him to react and shoot if he would have charged the officer.
I really think with this new amendment in in Cali, all Cali cops should be retrained.
I don't think this officer should be charged with manslaughter, because he was threatening the officer.
Thank god I know my brother was a cop and killed a msn and all he had to do was leave that force or town as a cop, and move some where else
16:35 Excellence; I'm a civilian and after watching three of your productions I am beginning to have the thought that you fellows and your 'podcast' are an affirmative demonstration of police excellence and also have a positive, forward looking effect on your peers, as well. I admit that I've been expecting less introspection and professionalism in your videos and am encouraged by your conduct and willingness to consider different procedures and protocols.
I don't want to make fun of anyone in this comment, but, well I suppose I can make a single exception and announce that I find 'boot licking' comments left by very meek, effeminate and submissive people to be completely repulsive and they also may enable toxic behaviors from toxic police officers who aren't equipped mentally and emotionally to realize it. So you may understand that I am by no means one of those people who have a blue and red flashing light shrine built to all of the municipal police forces in the USA and their newly acquired 'Battle Wagons'. However, I can and will stand in support of your channel and the videos that I have watched so far; I am very encouraged by your ability to be self-analytical with a lean towards ethics. Perhaps I am assuming too much but will continue to watch your videos with the hope that you continue to follow such a path. While I am not anti-[police though I have noticed that there are some serious issues with the way our society allows itself to be policed and that perhaps some of the people that we are selecting for that role are defective for the position. This leads to ineffectiveness, actions or behaviors that are inappropriate and might cause more harm in the long run to our society than good. I still plainly understand the need for our society to have effective police forces and also have the thought that we need to 'catch up' to the twenty first century and reflect, analyze and possibly reform the way that our police forces use and manipulate explanations surrounding the use of lethal force, especially when it is uncalled for and wholly inappropriate.
Here's my official boot lick: Thank you for the hope that your ethical approach to policing gives me. I see your channel as a bright beacon of hope, leading us away from a dark cloud of authoritarianism. I hope that I haven't misread some of the cues that I have seen and heard in your videos and if I have then I will not be dissuaded and will continue to advocate for ethical policing in the USA. We need highly intelligent people, who understand empathy and who have studied the psychological arts and are more able to persuade and mentally maneuver people into rational behaviors rather than simply 'blowing them away'.
With all of this being said we can't simply flip a switch. This must be done carefully and deliberately, so that we do not fall into the pitfalls of naivety. For now I will consider the positive message in this video to be the powerful seed that was needed to be planted by the only people who could do it with affect. In my ethical opinion you all on on the right track and will have a prime placement in history. Here's my observation on how this kind of change works: There is always a person who realizes that there is a problem. The act of realizing that there is a problem is automatically 'the admission'. Also by noticing the problem the human brain and mind is arranged in a way that the act of doing what is necessary to fix the problem becomes automatic and actually requires no conscious effort. When a person notices the problem then that is the only conscious effort that is required, everything else is automatic. I have the thought that you are on a precipice and have noticed a problem. Now allow yourself to observe how the human organism automatically causes the necessary actions to affect change. You have very little control over the process and indeed are being directed by the super genius levels of your subconscious and not the other way around. Even noticing this process and how it causes change can be a very empowering event for a person and indeed many (most) people go through their entire lives without becoming aware of these kinds of processes. Notice how when you or someone else realizes that there is a problem in their life how they automatically cause change. When a person realizes that there is a problem in their life, that it is actually impossible to prevent the impending change (fix). In order to fix a problem, any problem, the only thing that a person must do is to recognize (notice) it. The solution is automatic and almost completely out of our conscious control. The person with the problem is 'along for the ride' or an unwitting tool being used to affect the necessary changes. I've learned to enjoy watching this process in myself and others. Its truly an amazing process to behold. All that we need to do is 'notice the problem'. That is it and in fact the more one attempts to intervene the more elusive that the fix becomes. If you find yourself interfering in necessary changes for yourself or others then all that you need to do is realize it. When you notice it (any problem) then the change will automatically happen, its impossible to stop the process. The human brain and mind is absolutely incredible. Its amazing to observe and once we allow our conscious selves to get out of its way it can accomplish almost anything. Sometimes simplification does lead to freedom.
Well, I've rambled on for long enough. Thanks for taking the time to read my comment. You may not be aware of the significance of some of the thoughts expressed in this comment but I have the thought that if you've read this far then you will be able to notice the process and with time it will become easier and clearer (practice /experience) My very best regards and respect to you, your staff and families. I look forward to watching more of your videos and with your approval will leave a trail of comments (probably not quite as long as this one).
Thank you for the kind words (all of them 😀). Much appreciated and thank you for taking the time for the comment and watching our videos.
Unbelievable
Please turn the gain or output up on your recordings Interesting and third one I’ve tried to listen to but I can’t turn it up high enough to hear. We can all turn our device volumes down if your output is high, but we can’t do turn it up louder if it’s not there.
Enjoying what I can hear
Thanks
Like the interview but the audio was flat out bad. This attorneys mic needs adjustment
Really? Where did you listen to it? The audio sounded good on our end. Thanks for the feedback.
@@shotsfiredpodcast50 his mic sounded substantially different than you two. Not sure exactly how to explain it sounds like theres a higher bass when he speaks
@@josephrusso5518 I listened to it on my phone's speakers mostly and a little through ear buds. I agree he was harder to hear for me.
i agree with his mic needing some adjustment. very have bass and kind of distracting. still going to finish the video because of the topic!
Does anyone have a link to the use if force cases mentioned.?
I work as a call taker for police/medical it’s fair to say being an ofcr right now is tough. However, when I’m making calls I definitely try to replicate what I’m hearing and what they are saying. Dispatch priming is a real thing that can be problematic. (Would love to see a video how how ofcrs and commo interact btw and the good and bad of how call takers can effect a call. People won’t understand just how hard it is with limited info from callers and trying to get that over to the guys/gals responding out, every call I send I feel like an ofcr is going in blind and there’s some when I have to send a message like “hey this subj seems very hostile” bc what I’m typing doesn’t represent what I’m hearing. all in all I can say there are so many situations in which things can go south in our field and what we hear and way more often times than not they never do and most often everyone comes out unharmed
I've honestly never considered dispatchers' role in how police respond to calls. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I'd imagine it's difficult to find the balance between providing info essential to officer safety and not "over priming" so they respond with the proper intensity. How would you "thread the needle" on a call like the one in this video, for example?
I believe for a dispatcher to label a caller as hostile or calm Is highly problematic. I’m not throwing shade at our dispatchers. It’s just that making such statements with only hearing someone over a phone call is dangerous in many ways in my opinion. While one person might seem hostile over the phone he or she might seem the very opposite in person due to many reasons. And vis versa. It’s just so hard to identify someone solely on their voice. To have a accurate view one needs to both see and hear someone before making such judgments. It can put fellow officers on unnecessary stress and frankly on edge when answering a call. I believe if honey many fellow officers would agree with that statement. It happens a lot as it is and it absolutely can put you on either edge or the opposite when getting such reports from dispatchers on calls. While I completely understand and appreciate the gesture behind the good will of the dispatchers. It can and does put officers in certain mindsets on calls.
I have called police a couple of times about suspicious circumstances. I've always been careful NOT to prime the dispatcher.
I was on a walk at 11 pm, and saw some activity at a business that was back from the road (and not open for business).
I specifically told the dispatcher that I didn't have any reason to believe it was anything but the owner doing owner things, but it seemed worth checking out.
27:00 so very true
Not guilty
This is all political, any state with dominant democrat government will be at risk of this.
I live close to Chicago and there are multiple people stot, and murdered everyday in Chicago!
I always carry my firearm in Indiana but when I cross the Stateline I lose my right to self defense.
I was in Chicago recently for a funeral and I was on the west side.
There were gang members walking around I was very uncomfortable. I kept the thinking, I need my gun!!
I was 1 of 4 white people at that funeral and the gang members were eyeing us. Probably because there are very few white people who go to that area but i couldn't help feeling nervous.
I wad there for 6 hours and I only seen 2 cops the entire time and that's when we were driving. They were not patrolling those neighborhoods.
I understood why the citizens that live in those area's keep asking where police are on the news and internet. They are at the mercy of the gangs!! I also understand why the police stopped patrolling those area's, the government in Illinois and Chicago work against them.
Until the citizens in Illinois are fed up with the way the government is running the state and vote differently it's not going to change
Where’s Billy??
You didn’t see him under the desk? Jk… he got stuck on something at work last minute.
Ignorant & foolish doesn’t mean we can assume “Suicide by cop”
It definitely wasn't manslaughter. Cop is absolutely innocent
This is literally manslaughter lol. It’s not murder, but this is clear misuse of force that lead to the killing of a human.
ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT MUST MAKE THE TAZER OBSOLETE AND TURN TO THE BURNA LESS LETHAL WEAPON!
REALLNFCMT
His voice is so hard to listen to.
the other cop has his taser in the film?
i am finding this guest speaker to be very difficult to listen to. I think is the best example of ADHD. His explenation is so all over the place I finding it difficult to understand him (likely my ADHD also affecting my opinion here). 20 minutes in and im very confused. I will try and watch the rest without being to anoyed. But please try to keep this guy on topic with out all of the unnecessary explaining of every other word in each sentence..........
I fell asleep listening to this, and I was looking forward to it. This type of guy is why the saying - "tell me the time, don't build me the clock" - was created.
I've got an idea.. how about you set up dispatch so that after they give the event calls address and a short summary of the call.. as soon as dispatch hears you respond announcing your venturing to the event the dispatcher can then send the data file of the call to the officer(s)responding so that they can hear that particular call, before they get out of their vehicle or arrive at the scene.. this way the officer has a better idea from the actual caller, giving more detail as to what the events could possibly be on arrival. -< Jesus IsReal
leave it to California even more crazy that officers vote for them 😂
Listening to dude mumble on the mic isn't easy to listening to. Couldn't watch this one. Wanted to so bad but it's like listening to Shaq interview early in the morning on the radio. #EndofwatchOfficerEyer Cmpd officer killed in the line of duty yesterday along with 3 u.s Marshalls
Respond like it’s done here now in my city. Only in progress felonies get a response. everything else is done by phone report. DV calls are a no response unless there has been an assault. there is no proactive work, traffic stops are frowned on and pursuits are prohibited. Shoplifting calls are a no response…that’s not a police matter here any longer.
Some people should not be trusted with all this freedom to kill
Very insightful. My favorite part as a police accountability advocate was the cops admitting that taking time was in fact preferable to making mistakes. The way of the warrior is death. If you call yourself a warrior, you have to understand that you are dead. There is no going home at the end of a shift. You must be willing to die so that innocents live
Thanks for listening and your feedback. You’re not wrong either. Hopefully we can push change in the industry.
No one calls accountability advocates to stop a deadly situation. People call the police to handle those situations. Police officers get paid to take certain risks while stopping violent people. It is not the job of the police to give up their lives. They have families to go home to just like everyone else.
@Gary the problem isn't when cops kill people justifiably. It's when they kill people and they shouldn't have. It's when people get killed because officers are afraid of the future. I'm not suggesting that police officers should keep their guns holstered until someone shoots them in the chest, just that they should face consequences if they execute someone unjustly. Police nowadays seem to not understand the importance of time, distance and cover. This leads to some interactions being needlessly escalated
When the officer grabbed the bat he could have prevented this. Citizens should help out more. They could have saved this man’s life. The guy with the bat never injured anyone, so yes you can wait for backup to get there.
Using a law to justify killing a person with a bat. That bringing a knife to a gun fight, pen to a test. Killing ants with a sledgehammer. Shit don’t make sense.
A bats a lethal weapon and this cop even further tried the taser first. Hence the reason the reason in most states that have a clue there are laws supporting that force.
He went wrong by pulling the pistol and the tazer. He didn’t eleven attempt to de-escalate, the cop put himself in a shoot or else scenario.
29 years and still responding to calls…he should have been put out to pasture 5 years before. Eff that cop. I hope he gets locked up and loses his pension
A lawyer who defends cops, and two cops…three times as useless
😊 they are right. Above what they are saying. So cops thinks with there little heads. Instead of thinking with there brains. That's why so many people have been shot .and people are reacting the way they are.
The new law means don’t kill just to kill ,just because you think you have had bad things in your life and take it out on the public , they are people too just like you with family and kids, moms dads, etc get it ?
#333
Reminder one bad apple makes the whole barrel of apples look bad sayings ok
I am pro police but this was wrong
Well the officer had a taser out too. The had a bat and not gun so couldn’t the officer just tase him.
He taser him two times. Both unsuccessful
Amazing y’all are having this conversation openly. But let’s be honest, the US compared to other countries is night & day. Our officers can do better to protect lives and not take so many. While they are still able to go home each night to their families. Plain & simple. Just watch this video & tell me it wasn’t possible otherwise. Cop is so damn calm through it all it proves it.
I read up on this case and seen the videos, and it looks like Fletcher is guilty. His life wasn't in danger, nor was anyone else's in the vicinity, so his use of deadly force was unjustified. This is, of course, just my opinion, but I think the law was applied correctly, and Fletcher is probably going to pay a steep price. I'm glad to be living in the age where police actually face accountability for their reckless behavior. Well, many still don't face accountability, but it's getting better. It's also worth noting that Fletcher is one of those coward cops that shoots dogs that a mailman can handle.
Idk. I feel like he put himself in a shitty situation. But in that shitty situation he did what he had to do. To be fair a bat is a deadly weapon at that close range. He shouldhave maintained his distance and waited for back up in my humble opinion. But since he did what he had to do at that close range...idk. they shouldn't go too hard on him. But ehh. What do I know looll...
@@jeremiahfootlong3531 A bat can be a deadly weapon, but there was no indication that the guy was going to use it against the officer. He killed a person that didn't have to die, and for that he should have the book thrown at him.
@@christopheraaron8299 The dead guy is respo Sibley for his own death. He was facing a uniformed police officer. The officer tried to take the bat away (which was probably an unsafe thing to do). The officer told him to drop the bat. The officer tried a Taser. None of that got the suspect to comply and drop the bat. The suspect then walked toward the officer with the bat
That is when the officer shot 1 time. The officer showed great restraint in only firing once. There are perception/reaction times in real life that aren't like movies. If the officer waits for the bad guy to swing the bat at the officer's head, it will be too late. A blow to the head from a bat could easily kill the officer or knock him unconscious. The officer can't do anything to protect himself or the other people in the store if he is dead or knocked out.
@@Gary-ib8dz No offense, but you're one of those idiots that thinks police can do no wrong and you always make excuses no matter what they do.