Here's why I Don't DOUBLE SLEEVE my Cards...
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"Perfect fits tend to bend the cards because they're too tight"
*Proceeds to riffle shuffle and bend said cards*
At least I bend my cards with style😂
@@kenneth-ik8sdthey’re his cards…
There is no way I am single sleeving my 1k Euro commander deck
I feel the same way about my expensive decks. I have one worth as much as yours and not double sleeving it gave me massive anxiety.
@@smoker6683 double sleeving is not bad, just don't use perfect fit sleeves, that's cancer for your cards since when you put the car in or out, the plastic of the sleeve rubs against your card, creating very fine lines or scratches, specially on the foil
just use proxies
@@lordhallibel3604 no store allow proxies in my area, even if you have a copy of the original
@@diegovillavicencio3172How do you double sleeve without using perfect fit sleeves? Is there another option?
Yeah no. If you single sleeve your card, you will definitely have dust between the card and the sleeve that will scratch the card over time. Why would you use exactly this argument for double sleeving? Double sleeving solves that exact problem. Of course you have to take care that there is no dust when you sleeve them up initially. After that you're good.
If you're re-sleeving you don't have to change the inner sleeve. Also today there is no good reason to use resealable sleeves. If you use the right combination of sleeves (e.g. perfect fits innter + dragon shields outer) re-sleeving is super fast and easy. Re-sleeving a single sleeved card will scratch the card every time. You want as little movement as possible on the surface of a new card. So you want to put it into a inner sleeve after you got it and never remove it from there.
Your argument is: I don't like a tall deck. Which I accept. The rest of your arguments are really weak.
Good for you if you like double sleeves
I gotta disagree hard on your point about dust inside inner sleeves. The point is to make sure there is as little dust as possible before sleeving, then the double sleeve makes it almost impossible for that dust to get in. Either Way, if you notice dust, you can simply remove the sleeve and clean it off. The risk of liquid damage is way to high not to double sleeve, in my opinion. I do understand your point about the time consumption though
Right? Like have you tried *not* having dusty cards before you sleeve?
Yea
100% agree. Also, the cards actually NEVER move inside the inner sleeve, while in contrast cards in single sleeves can actually accumulate more dust and also do move around inside the sleeve. Your viewpoint sounds totally made up in this case.
it doesn't take no 30 mins to double sleeve tho lmao unless ur just bad at double sleeving.
@TonxCubex this is the first person i've seen advocating against it. if you play commander, imo double sleeve
if you're playing other formats where you're constantly swapping cards in and out, his points may be more valid for you to not double sleeve
I mean.. I double sleeve my pauper decks and everything.. also about the time for sleeving, personally I love taking the time to sit down ESPECIALLY with a new deck, and sleeve all my cards, its a very relaxing feeling
Pauper?? Couldn't be me!!
@@MTGDeckmasters people love to pimp out pauper decks maybe even more then edh players
@@mtgbrewery7239 you learned me something new today, I personnally like pauper as simply the mort close format to what magic is "intended" in addition to being an extremely budget format
@@heraldofv3379 what do you mean with "closest format to what magic is intended"?
Yea. Gonna disagree. If I single sleeve the tops of the cards get dirty over time. If I double sleeve, the tops of the cards stay clean. But I play old school. My commander decks I do only single sleeve because the cards aren’t near as valuable.
Ngl, it gives me and probably everyone else in the room anxiety when you’re doing any of those shuffles that use bends or pressure. Your relief is our source. 😅 They’re your cards though.
My opponents always cringe when I shuffle which is fun😂
I usually just sleeve all my cards in the tighter sleeves. It’s awesome for putting them in my binder and holding them. They are the normal card size and not larger like the dragon shield sleeves. When I play. I use the same color sleeves for all my decks. So the cards never leave the perfect fit sleeves. Helps prevent dust into them. Also I double sleeve because sometimes the corners of the sleeves will crimp. The second sleeve provides extra protection when that happens.
I love double sleeping with those sealable inners also I notice it adds a good amount of thickness to the card in general and just make the cards in the sleeves feel less flimsy and just stiffer
I've seen too many people play at parties where they spill drinks to not double sleeve my cards. Personally, I like the regular sleeve with the over sleeves so I can use the cool artwork stuff without getting all the negatives that follow them.
They play Magic at parties??😂 I play at my local store lol
@@MTGDeckmasters I used to play Elder Drunken Highlander, but things got out of hand too quickly
@@jweezy15able Sounds like a fun format lmao
Bro I only know playing at parties, local game store I literallly do it like twice a year
Has anyone used a vacuum to clean stuff out of the inside of card sleeves, if not the cards themselves? Such as dust, crumbs, or debris?
What a waste of time lmao just buy sleeves for 10 bucks
I love double sleeving but I do agree the shuffling is more difficult
Which shade of blue sleeves do u use in the video
I completely agree. Also, I liked the cathartic shuffling sounds that you made. It's so relaxing
Yay, thank you!
Double sleeve all the time and my cards look the same as when I bought em.
That shuffle is so relaxing. I could watch a video of just seeing and hearing that shuffle and sip some bourbon for a chill experience lol.
Glad you like it hahaha. Maybe I could do that😂
Going back to magic after a 10 year break this double sleeving thing pissed me off so much.
As you said, it's time consumming and I hate having to shuffle with a Thick deck.
Only issueI have is having to play with double faced cards. I have to go for darker color sleeves when usualy I like lighter colors more.
Any suggestions ? Is their a brand that have lighter color sleeves and still are opaque enough ?
I personally use Katana in Forest Green. I use them for my Pioneer deck which has double sided cards and they are perfectly opaque. Any black sleeves will get the job done though!
@@MTGDeckmasters Thanks for your answer, I'll try them out !
You get pissed off people don't want to ruin their cards? If I don't want to grind dirt and grime into the surface of my mint 1k$ + reserve list cards that makes you mad? If you don't mind grinding up the surface of your cards that's fine, but I'll always double sleeve.
What's the thinnest main sleeve you've ever used? I hate how thick the final product is, esp edh
Thinnest: Ultra-pro pro-matte
I get your reasons and they make sense for players that play and trade a lot. Sleeving and de-sleeving is a constant hassle. Double sleeving isn't worthy the time indeed if you do that consistently often. The sleeves getting dirty eventually is another good reason.
However, if you don't play as much, you won't spend much time de-sleeving.
The dusting problem is such a weird issue to bring up. Unless you really change sleeves on the cards all the time, dusting should be never be a problem. The only occasions dust get in as often to be really an issue is if you are doing that in a dusty place (like if you do that in a large venue or badly ventilated LGS which is indeed more common for more active players). I have decks double sleeved for years and have no problem with dust. Dust isn't just a problem with double sleeving. It would be a problem with single sleeving as well.
lowkey though you were definitely pressing down 1:18
To each their own, but I'm not going to leave some expensive card (like Cavern of Souls, approximately an $80 card) out of an inner sleeve. These are investments that'll hold serious value someday & I want them protected.
It's not going to get damaged and it's not black lotus lol
@@MTGDeckmasters not everyone can afford black lotus and 80$ card might be the most expensive card they got.
@@MTGDeckmasters ok film yourself spilling a drink on your most expensive card in a single sleeve? if you dont do this then there's zero reason to believe you. trying to give an extreme example is a terrible way to get across whatever youre trying to argue btw lol.
just double sleeve your expensive cards only then
Not legal to do so in tournament play. Either all your cards are double sleeved or none of them are. @@jojojo9240
i hate shuffling like that aint playing poker
I love it!
The thought of single sleeving my $2k+ commander deck makes me feel nauseous.
The thought of a $2k+ deck makes me feel nauseous.
@@TehKorwinMikke I can get that! This game can be so dang expensive :(.
@@twitchster77 It can be very cheap, too. And as a bonus - heavily restricted, low-budget decks are significantly more fun to build, and significantly more fun to play.
@@TehKorwinMikke I guess it depends on who you are. I've got a few cheaper decks now (one of them can be purchased for under $60, and though it has no infinite combos or anything, it's a ton of fun and actually pretty dang powerful)...but given the choice I'm always going to choose my powered deck. The mass amounts of super cheap mana, excellent draw, combos and high powered counterspells just make the deck a TON of fun to play. For me it's fun playing broken things. My cheaper decks are fun for lower powered games, but I'd personally rather play in high powered tables (which I can TOTALLY see others not liking. The tables I play my expensive deck at are full of cheap/free counterspells and turn 1-3 wins).
Double sleeving cards is the way if you have expensive cards especially foils, the double sleeve keeps dirt and dust out and away from, also reduces moisture in the air that can affect it and Pringle the shit out of it. Single sleeving cards over time crates wear especially if your shuffle rough like I seen in this video, or if you relseeve a lot, over time little nicks on the corners and sides add up and make a noticably big difference over time and when reselling a card can literally be the difference between near mint and light played, so yeah for the most part your cards are fine but over time and or one oopsy and your yelling more than oopsy.
I've had the same deck for 5 years single sleeved and cards are still NM! The only thing is they a feel softer compared to newer cards due to heavy shuffling lmao
Honestly short of protecting your cards from water damage double sleeves don’t do much. I think anybody who is making the decision to single sleeve based on shuffle feel won’t care if their deck is no longer NM after years of play in tournaments. I find with a lot of players the shuffling is part of the tournament experience and they are willing to pay the price for that feeling. In reality you might lose 50$ out of a modern deck from wear on the cards if you single sleeve it, and play for years in tournaments.
I tried double sleeves with my Beelzemon deck (digi) and it looked horrible, the cards were darker, and any kind of shuffling was hard to do. Double sleeves just fit well in japanese size cards like Yugi
As a Digimon player, you just made me decide against double sleeving my Beelzemon deck, thank you for saving me some money on sleeves.
He doesn’t have big hands. That’s why he doesn’t double sleevr
Thing with the re-sleeving the deck, you don't replace the inner sleeve. That's purely for protection, while you let the outer sleeve get damaged over time through play and shuffling
Right
Dude I triple sleeve and I don’t regret it. Best feeling and you don’t have to worry about your card to be ruined by playing or shuffling
Man if you double sleeve the resealable inner sleeves like in the video, I wouldnt do it either. There is a proper and fast way to do it...
I live out in the south west US. Dust is a concern. Double sleeving is a must.
I mainly do it to protect my expensive cards in other games I play (Talking about cards that are $200+)
I also just despise the way Ultrapros feel
I rarely find people who agree with me when it comes to sleeves😂
As i have no deck worth more than 100 €...who am i kidding, than 40€, single sleeving is the way to go.
For foils, there's no option, you double sleeves those if you don't want a bent card, double sleeving helps prevent moisture getting in way better especially those resealables
But normal cards? Single sleeves are enough I think, unless if you like having a really hard card
Old video but w/e. I play both mtg and Pokemon tcg and I only really play magic at my local store and I will go to regionals (gps) for Pokemon a lot. I will never double sleeve for pokemon, the decks aren't worth much ($200 for a tier 1 standard deck) and since you have to shuffle so much theres a huge time deficit for having a double sleeved deck. However while playing magic I will double sleeve, I don't really care too much because I only play at stores sometimes and $1000 modern decks scare me into double sleeving lol. I have noticed that in pokemon when I single sleeve that the tops of my cards get dusty and grimy whereas in magic its the inner sleeve which gets yucky, so double sleeving is definitely good for protection. Just sometimes not worth the extra shuffling time
Double sleeving helps fight moisture build up which leads to curling
That's assuming you like foils I hate using foils I get rid of mine.
well I tripple sleeve my pauper deck......
Some of my buddies in my Commander group do not double sleeve, and I can see the scratches on their $25 plus cards. And here I am double sleeving my basic lands and tokens... One guy does not sleeve at all and his deck is much worse for wear as a result...
I put inner sleeves on everything I plan to use (or which is foil or valuable), then just swap the outer sleeve as needed if something is changing decks.
Oh no there's an extra 1/8 of an inch.
Very annoying though
"Takes 30 minutes to double sleeve a deck, takes 5 to single sleeve"
This guy knows his math.
This is why we triple sleeve to prevent dust :DDD
Lol
I used simple sleeves for 30 years. Now that the cards are very expensive, the double sleeve seems essential to me. The convenience of shuffling the cards will take second place to the security of my wallet.
As a Digimon tcg player, where a top tier deck is around 100-200$ (at most) for the entire deck, i agree with most of your points. Especially about how much of a hassle it is.
I got in this game to play, not to collect.
RIFLE shuffling *Chambers Magic Deck*
i double sleeved 2 decks and i never do it again
I triple sleeves my Cedh deck lmao haha
damn that's a big pile
Wtf 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bro you must have giant hands or you’re just wild 😂
triple sleeving a EDH deck is wild lmao i double sleeve all my decks but triple sleeving an EDH deck is mad lol.
I single sleeve, they still look fine after 10 years
When you play tier 3-4 decks with little value cards I wouldn’t bother double sleeving either
I hate the deck became thick, but i couldnt leave it single sleeved, since i play casually , i only double sleeve expensive card and leave common/uncommon/non foil card single sleeved.
Doesn't that mean that you can see wether the next card you will draw is single or double sleeved? What about your opponent seeing it in your hand?
You pretty much have to double sleeve your whole deck unless your using a printed paper proxie then it'll be about the same thickness as a double sleeved card.
I don't know if the dust thing was a joke... the whole point is to not get ANY dust in your cards broh
No hate but: the way you shuffle i get why you Run Into a Ton of Problems with sleeves i Dont xd
Kinda true ngl 😂
never double bag your deck
wont be dust if you sleeve correctly....opening down and top loaded.
I'm talking about long periods of time
@@MTGDeckmasters double sleeves PROTECT THE SURFACE OF YOUR CARDS! You're confused, if you single sleeve the surface of your cards get dirt and grime scratched and ground into them over time from shuffling and they look like shit. My cards always clean like new after years of play.
"i dont double sleeves" but your legacy deck has one
I like to double sleeve. Protect those money cards
DONT RIFFLE SHUFFLE MY MAN, HURTS MY EYES.
Kinda interesting most of the reason I dislike only single sleeving are the reasons you like it. Overall I’m going to say I still don’t get why you would prefer it. Though I’m the crazy person at their LGS we has a triple sleeved commander deck so I think I’m the outlier here not you.
I agree, single sleeping sucks
@@MTGDeckmasters touché
@@ARK-ep4bb I saw someone use toploaders for his commander decks...that was crazy
If you actually care about the condition of your cards, double sleeve. It's not debatable. Single sleeved cards will get damaged if used.
I completely agree I never double sleeve it's time consuming and a pain in the butt.
It's more difficult to shuffle as well I also don't like the way double sleeved cards feel in my hands.
Exactly!
Given the fact that everyone does what they like whit their deck (because this is a game and each one of has has to do what he likes to enjoy the game) i prefer always double sleeve because of the protection and because the shuffle part is not my priority
Said this, everybody is attaking thi man like he said who double sleeves is an idiot... he only said what he prefers for god's sake
These comments are mad funny😂
The dragon shield art sleeves are bad. Especially when double sleeved.
I like you channel, but I have to dissagrea about this, I have seen so many single sleeved cards, over time wen dust and dirt gets in to the top they will be dameged at the top. Also don't even talk about spilled drinks, and if you resleeve them all the time there is slight mi ro damage every time, if you use good quality inner sleeves there won't be any dirt in them that will hirt the cards, also just dust of the cards before putting them in inner sleeves, and when that is done you can resleeve them in outers thousands of time without any damage on the cards, also that shuffling you do will hurt the cards over the years, i always shuffle gently and pileshuffles half the time. The extra stiffness that the double sleeving gives your cards also protects them, actually there is so many pros to double sleeve your cards. Modern decks these days are most around $1000, so its not worth damage them in my mind.
Those are valid points. Technically I should double sleeve my cards but I just don't like the feel...
Why do you bend your cards….
It's too much fun!
@@MTGDeckmasters i get it but don’t you have expensive cards.
After watching the video the conclusion is that you just like damaging your cards so yeah, you dont need double sleeving decks really
Spot on
Kesse tu dit lol
Nice troll video
It aint a troll video G
It's quite dumb to use the excuse of double sleeving a card improperly dirty will damage it, so will just sleeving it dirty ffs. Playing with sleeved card, dirt and dust will always find away in there and gradually through the years and slowly scoff your cards. I know cause I played back in 1999-2006 when there weren't any double sleeves. Also if a drop a water touch the top of your sleeve your card will most always be water damaged for life.
qc
yeah lol
changing decks. all my cards stay in the clear sleeves, even my deck now has permanent clear sleeves even when the rest of the deck doesnt. and its not noticeable
😂😂😂 BS
Not to me!! 😂
I’m too broke to not protect my cards properly…
But you spend money on the inner sleeves😂
@@MTGDeckmasters $6.99 is a small price to pay to protect cards that are worth hundreds of dollars
who is taking 30 mins to double sleeve a deck LMAO... smh i get some people dont like double sleeving but i cant play a deck without double sleeving it i like the extra thickness but if its taking 30 mins to double sleeve thats on the person sleeving it lol.
I've never understood the interest of double-sleeving your cards
You've never understood the interest in keeping your cards clean? Lmao
People don’t want their 100 dollar holographic cards to warp. Just look into foil warping and what causes it.
yessss ! finaly someone speaking the truth !
People nowadays have issues shuffling a deck...the drama
HOW TF DO PEOPLE GET DUST IN THEIR CARD SLEEVES? YOU PLAYING IN A DUST BOWL INTHE DESERT ? I live in a desert ,and over a decade my cards havent gotten dust in them, including single sleeves . want ot know what gets in the sleeves, peoples dirty fingers when they grab your cards and take it out the sleeve without permission
I have never seen a more factually incorrect video full of actual misinformation..about something as trivial as sleeving a MTG deck. Jesus.
Those diaper sleeves are pure trash. waste of money and time