Dont add power to your RT or Scatpack without knowing this!
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2020
- I tell you about some of the major drawbacks of adding power to the 5.7 liter RT and the Scatpack/392 cars. There is a big misconception out there about adding power to these cars so I wanted to touch on other factors to consider.
Special thanks to my good buddy B Mason who helped me with some of this content. His channel can be found here:
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Thank you Mike 🤜🔥🔥
Agreed
X gon' give it to ya
For real bro😂😂❤
Car modding is like a facelift you’ll never stop until your face is destroyed.
Somebody tell that to Hellgato. 😂
bawahaha
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I love my Daytona 392.. I have tons of fun driving it...never leaves me saying “ Mo Power Baby” 😉😀😀
Lol I’m pretty sure if I drive the space shuttle I would still try to get it tuned and add exhaust 😂
RacerX 😂🤷🏽♂️ ikr just the nature of the beast
Your knowledge is amazing, I am a 5.7 guy,you always keep us involved in the channel , much appreciated !
Leonidas Tullius .. no worries my friend
You are the only CZcamsr I know that explains upgrading your car the right way to a T. Everybody else just tells you to do this and do that but do not tell you the weak side of everything else. I appreciate that you actually took the time to explain everything ❤️💯
Absolutely my friend.. you have to look at the whole picture 👍
What type of cam and headers do you recommend? I like the different sound that it produces. The scat pack is fast enough for me as it is. I heard a RT with a cam and headers it was an amazing sound.
I love my charger scat pack it had plenty plenty of power basically I’m leaving it totally stock should be fun for a long long time, I’m only doing some cosmetic upgrades to the car so thankyou for the input
Nothing wrong with that Tom 👍
Tom you are exactly correct and the Edelbrock E-Force™ Stage 1 Street Supercharger System looks cosmetically wonderful! ;
Once again you have taken a POINT and made many of us realize that it isn't as easy as just "modding away" without realizing that we must take into account things that might BREAK under STRESS of more POWER!
That's why I'm fully invested in my stocked Hellcat....Happy camper here....Save time n money....Points well made n taken Racer X!
For sure my friend 🤜🔥
I'm wanting a RT real bad but have been researching the car to make sure its the right car for me. I don't want to buy a new challenger and then a year later wished I hadn't got it. RacerX makes videos I like to watch. He gives great information, pros and cons and the little details that others don't tell you.
I love watching Racer X's videos. I just bought a 2020 Challenger Wide Body Scatpack in Go Mango with a 6 speed manual. Living in Keller, It's a great car and Racer X is responsible for me making the decision to order and secure this car. Thank you!!
Literally every question I have you answer in a different video, you have earned my follow my mans I appreciate you and your content
Very prudent advice from someone who does things very well when it comes to their vehicles. Well done sir!
Appreciate your info RacerX. I kept my challenger scatpack widebody stocked plus an oil catch can. Always puts a smile on my face. SRT 🔥.
This should be given as a mandatory video to watch for every teen or middle aged hot rodder who has spent the bulk of his adult life in a Camry
You're 100% right about jumping into an expensive hobby , maybe make a whole video solely on wanting to own a fast car . I got myself into a 2011 GT500 @ 21 years old , knowing it'd be a costly hobby but never did I imagine to be spending the money I have . Clutches at $2,000 ... Throttle bodies at close to $1,000 , MT Street tires at $250 a pop ... I definitely don't regret getting into the hobby , I just wish I would've held off another year maybe to have a better grip on things . Many a times as you touched bases in this video do we hear non car people talk about slapping turbos , superchargers , nitrous on an engine and they have zero clue how much $$ in supporting mods thats gonna run them . Makes you appreciate things like Dodge putting out a car with 650/660RWHP with factory warranty
Yes horsepower costs money.. and the car hobby is definitely an expensive one
Man, I just wanna say thanks for pointing these things out. So many people think they can just add power & be fine pushing the limits when this sadly just isn't the case. Like you said, this goes for any mechanical part, regardless of manufacturer. Only thing you left out was the breaking system. This too needs to be upgraded to compensate for the additional power & speed, but is far too often overlooked and/or taken for granted.
340 cfm is flow numbers from back in the day for a ported and polished head.. You’ve made very good points.. I must admit you’re an honest and trust worthy youtuber promoting the hobby...👍🏾💵💵💵
Great video brother, hope you save some folks the headaches of expensive learning. Keep rolling!!
Destroyer1320 .. thanks buddy
Thanks for an insightful video! Thats why I chose to keep my scat stock to keep reliability and told myself that in a few years (3-4 years) I would work towards getting a hellcat
Sounds like an awesome plan
After owning a Challenger Scat Pack Shaker for a year or so I agree with your statement that the Scat Pack is a capable car right off the showroom floor without having to add anything! I loved driving it, and it scared the hell out of me a few times!. I had to get rid of my scat pack last year and miss it... But I did get an older RT and found that the 5.7 with the 6-speed transmission is as much, if not more fun then the Scat Pack with the Automatic! BTW if you ever take the exhaust manifold off that 392 and look inside you will see that there are individual tubes for each cylinder like shorty headers :)
The 5.7 has come a long way from when it was first introduced. Dodge has pretty much refined things to the point to where its almost pointless to mod anything, short of cosmetics. If you want to step up in power, just buy the next best model up. At least it will have a warranty.
And I know part of the fun in owning these cars, is creating something that the factory didn't have available. For those people, there's nothing to stop them, but the lack of money. And that, to me, is the catch. There's going to be a point to where throwing more money at that engine and set up, is going to become pointless. The only cars worth modding past improving headers, cams and intake, IMO, are the Hellcats.
For those of us that love the Ram, we're just SOL. There is no 'next model up', so to speak. We are forced to take chances, since RAM refuses to make a muscle truck for us (the R/T and 'Sport' Crew Cabs, are a bad joke coming from the factory, requiring extensive modding from owners to be remotely plausible). But this is a tale, for another day... (cue the end music to Conan the Barbarian)
All good points my friend.. who knows maybe the TRX will materialize 👍
@@RacerX9 The TRX looks to be a badass truck for the offroaders. I'm sort of excited for those that dare to challenge rough terrain. I see them from time to time over there just outside of Grand Prairie, ripping up the hillside. 😄 But for us guys on the street, not having a good muscle truck, really sucks. It's almost as if I'm exhibiting some envy for the Challenger and Charger owners. Well, yeah, sort of.
Excellent video, nice job X!!
Thank You for your insight and content on your channel. Straight up realizum
Beautiful Scat pack there Racer X! Just finished watching the video! I totally agree with you. The SCAT is already close to maxed out already. It's an amazing car for the money! I agree that you just can't throw power mods down w/o making sure the rest of the car can support it! With that, I'd totally be happy with a N/A 392 Chally! Have a great evening buddy! Thanks for the video!
Sovereign Knight .. for sure buddy🤜🔥.. love the scat on the street
Love this channel!!! Thanks Racer X!!!!
Great video, very insightful. Just purchased my first mopar car, can’t wait to make some minor mods to it.
I’am glad that you are educating passionate sport car enthusiasts about the limit in hp&tq ,you can had to your already fast car from the manufacturer.😎👏😎🌈
Serge Basque .. I appreciate that my friend
Such a spot on video. I own a 2020 charger scat pack. The car is so optimized from the factory. You gotta be careful and thoughtful if you want to add power. If I wanted more power I would have saved up for a hellcat.
Wow a channel with common sense, good job
Thank you Jeff
That laugh in the intro with the burnout cracks me up!!
I'm enjoying my Scat Pack with some cosmetic upgrades and will keep the 15% rule in mind with any bolt-ones. Thanks RacerX.
You bet Mike 👍
Great Vid! I see a variety of serious power adders such as twin turbos and ProChargers for the 392 and it’s tempting, but there’s way more to the chemistry than these parts alone. Like you mentioned, you have to do it right by beefing everything else up.
Exactly right Juan
Excellent! Many people who get into high performance cars without understanding the content mentioned in this video find troubled times their way. Understanding this is protecting your pocket and your investment. Those who desire extra power need to listen up to these comments. Thanks! Caribbean
Great explanation!! Adding too much horsepower will show you what the weakest link is for sure!! Thanks for the info!
TODDSNAKE .. you bet my friend 🤜🔥🔥
Thanks big bro. Best advice ever from mods.
So True! I'm building a Jeep Wk2 5.7 from front to rear. Solid build plus the braking, suspension, Drive train, ect...
Thanks for this vid. My buddy has one and this is good info. Thanks. I just bought a hellcat and already want more power. Lol. It’s highly addicting. Now I understand
RacerX, THANK YOU; This Video Should Be REQUIRED READING FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS A MUSCLE CAR...Any Car; I AM Glad that YOU said All of THIS- There’s a Lot of NEWBIES That Needs to Hear The FACTS. KUDOS FOR ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!👍
Thank you my friend
Love the little clip “that’s not how any of this work”. :-)
Haha thought it seemed appropriate 👍
Great in depth info on the internal breakdown...
Excellent tutorial! Many needed to hear that.
"Comes with its Challenges......." Well it is a Challenger my friend :) thanks for the info brother.
My goal is to go as fast as I can keeping the engine basically stock. It's gone 11.55 and I think there is an 11.4X in good DA. Had not heard the 15% rule before but will keep it in mind going forward. Thanks for the great video.
Bob P .. wow 11.55 under stock power is very impressive 👍
There are a few things I would like to add. First, start with a plan. By that I mean define goals and figure out what you need to accomplish them. As stated in the video include the supporting mods in addition to adding power. Second, develop a realistic budget. What you're like to find is if you want to make Scat Pack power with an R/T it will take Scat Pack money to do it. Another disadvantage to modding a lower trim level is that the car will actually be worth less than the same car that is kept stock. Most people will find that it is more cost effective to leave a lower trim car alone and save the money you need to buy the higher trim level. The problem people run into is that once they're invested in a car they'll keep adding to chase a number or compete with other cars. Finally, make sure you keep some money available because more horsepower breaks things and often at the worst time.
Great video I appreciate all the knowledge that was given. I'm happy with my
Great video for young and old car owners alike!
jflo_262 .. thank you my friend 👍
Bro have eyes like the white walkers on Game of Thrones lol... Love your content and how informative you are though.. keep it up!
The one thing I really wish dodge would do is make the blocks aluminum. To make it faster you need more power or less weight
I agree the specs would look good but just like the SRT 392 is faster than the scat pack even though the SRT is 200 pounds HEAVIER. With The same engine and same transmission Tests of removing 300 pounds makes maybe .1 sec difference The 1320 392 hemi is an 11 sec car. I don’t think less weight would make it as fast as a hellcat
Yes I fully Robbie.. less weight would be great
John Anderson
Your correct. My comment was just to say if the ole girl went to jenny craig she could be much faster
Dodge pays attention and learns from its competitors. Aluminum blocks have been tried in the past by both motorcycle and car manufacturers. Low reliability tends to keep these designs from going to market. Ironically, aluminum blocks are often used in race engines for increased performance. Often times these engines are used then discarded after each race.
@@evildrizzt1 Chevy has been making aluminum block LS motors since the late 90's and they're well known for their longevity and reliability. Don't tell me Dodge can't figure out how to do the same.
Another great video Racer X 👍. Every time I think about a Procharger on my 5.7 Daytona I just think for the money I would spend I could just trade it in on a 392. Plus the other upgrades I’d need. LSD would be first on the list.
Eric Taylor .. absolutely my friend! It’s expensive to play the power game
Really enjoy your videos. I just traded a scatpack for a hellcat and I love it. My hellcat has the carbon fiber stripes like yours. What do you put on them to keep them so shiny?
Makes perfect sense if you start putting high performance stuff on you gotta pretty much upgrade everything just to be on the safe side
Its going to be a while before I supercharge my 392 but I'm definitely looking into getting it tuned. Need more "passing" power 😂
Just got a fully 2019 Shaker Scat in Destroyer Grey as my first car few days ago! Can’t wait to start doing a little here n there to it!
Wow what a first car 😳
RacerX I know! By the grace God everything kinda just fell into place and managed to get a really, really good price. But it’s everything I ever wanted! 😁
Excellent advice and explanation.
Best stay under what ever the HP rating is for item... engine, transmission ect ........Peace of mind .....unless you have a race budget ...Lots of engineering went into this stuff and yeah they don't want to pay out warranty work........Great video sir
Agreed my friend.. much appreciated
Well put. Good video. Thanks. Keep it up!
I agree with you on adding power to any vehicle. Just like when I started racing my Ice cream van. Started with just a camshaft and had no problems. Then added nitrous. Broke the driveshaft, then the engine mount, then a piston when I added more nitrous. Built new engine to handle 300 shot of nitrous. Broke the Dana 60 axle shaft. Installed Dutchman 4130 axles. Then the slip yoke, then the transmission , haven't had any thing break sense January. I still haven't turned up the nitrous above 250 yet.
Love the thought of racing the van 👍.. that’s awesome buddy
Great content buddy👍
An interesting thing I learned this week, apparently the 2018+ Scat Packs now come stock with the BGE block from the hellcat. I also didn't know they came with a forged crank. So the block is good up to about 1000hp. Nothing else is going to hold that power stock, but the block is solid. lol
Love your channel and all the fantastic information...Do you think a Diablo TrinityEx tuner for my 392 Charger is a good option?
Great video X, a lot of people don't understand you can't just slap boost on any car and make it fast lol
Keep it up brother 🤙🏽
Hey thanks buddy.. much appreciated.
Good work thanks again I will start from back to the front
Just a quick question. I pretty much have a full bolt on RT (except for intake manifold) with a custom tune. I was considering adding a Stage 2 master Comp Cam kit from HHP, but going back to what you said, do you consider that I would need an upgraded fuel system? It runs really great now with all the power adders and being catless
Technology has definitely come a looong way! You can drop a bunch of money building a very fast car but there's always gonna be somebody faster than you reguardless of how much money you have in your car
You are absolutely right Jack 👍.. no question
I know I'm late to the party, but the 1 thing I hate is when a guy dumps a bunch of money into the power of their car but neglects the suspension and brakes. I love going fast, but I also love being able to stop as well as I can go. Subbed; owner of a '12 Challenger R/T
Another great and informative video. Looking forward to that Durango video. ;-).
Thanks Greg.. hopefully a DFW dealer in DRW will get one soon.. Grapevine Dodge has 4 and literally no one else has one. Won’t be going there though lol
Nice. Can't wait 2c the 2020 widebody shaker come out.
How's it going? I came across you're channel and do far I really enjoy it and your cars are badass. I have a 2014 100th anniversary R/T that I adore and was wondering what if anything I should do to it? It's stock except for a K&N cold air intake and I have a put a lot of miles on her. 231,652 to be exact. 85 to 90% of that is highway mileage and overall my car is in great shape. I'm just leery about putting money/parts into it and breaking more than one weak spot. Any thoughts you'd care to share would be awesome. Thanks
Thank you for that advice 👍👊
Great and informative video!!!
I think you are referring to ring END gap. Ring lands are the flat surfaces in between the ring grooves. You need larger ring end gaps if you want to use power adders because the heat causes the ring gap to close completely, and push upwards causing a ring or piston failure. The top ring on the 392 sits pretty high, not leaving much material there once the ring end gap closes. For nitrous or turbo/supercharging a 392, ring end gap should be around .025-.028". .006 per inch of bore for nitrous/supercharger.
Hope this helps so people keep em together.
Racer X - do you have any knowledge and recommendations regarding the Scat Pack 2 & Scat Pack 3 Performance packages from Mopar, for the 6.4 L?
I was thinking of adding them to my 50th Anniversary Commemorative Edition. The packages seem to come with everything needed to make the upgrade, but I can't find anything on reliability of the packages or what else on the car I might need to change to make it just as reliable as stock.
Maybe there's a similar set up that cost a lot less? The Mopar performance packages together with cost me around 6 grand. Thanks. 😁
Love the Racer X videos. I would appreciate getting feedback on upgrading the manual shifter in the 392 manual six speed.
Hurst is better then stock, Barton is better than Hurst. This is an upgrade that will make you grin every day you drive.
Good video, I say if you replace a drive shaft, replace the differential. Add a blower then you add fuel injectors. Can't just do one and forget the other. I'm fine with stock. I love it
Serious question. I’m looking both at the Hellcat or the Mustang GT500. I’ve owned a scat pack before but sold it because I wanted to save for something more. Which would you get?
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What size tires are you running for everyday driving? I’m wanting to go wider on our scatpack.
Excellent points
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Could i add a procharger to my stock Challnger R/T? if not, what do you recommend upgrading first?
Scatpack doesn’t need much done to it to be faster . I have a jay Greene tune , stainless works mid pipes and hellcat air box on my 19 scat charger . Making a lot more power than people think . 11.6 1/4 mile , 0-60 3.3 seconds .. does extremely well roll racing also . Modding the car is risky cause of the locked PCM , I broke my transmission after 200 passes , luckily kept my stock pcm .. denied all of dodges accusations (that my car was modded) and afternoon 1 month I walked out with a brand new transmission .
Good video 🤟🏽
welp...
there GOES my blueprint to add cam, CAI, headers,tuner, rear end gears, stall converter..
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Good video and Good advice.
Thank you James
" That's not how this works.
It's not how Any of this works "😭😭😂😂
Excellent video
So adding a Ripp supercharger to a V6 Pentastar to get Scat-Pack power is better, safer, more reliable than adding power for an RT 5.7 to get Scat-Pack power?
Thanks for the tips and info on 5.7 and 6.4.
My local dyno shop says the 5.7 holds boost a lot better than the 6.4. I was a little surprised by that. They do all the various kits, but prefer the Whipple kit due to its better cooling.
Great insight!
Can you explain how the cold intake tube works with the existing running lights on the challenger scat pack?
hey racer x! i want a drag pack for my '19 charger scat but was having trouble finding the wheels. could you link some?
I own a 2015 Charger R/T....What is the HP threshold to add more power? I would love to top out around 500hp....any suggestions on upgrading?
Well I've seen people put whipples on 5.7, I want to do the same with the Durango what do you think?
The 8hp70 is good for max 700lbft of torque. Found this on wikipedia. Not sure i would want to push more than 550 to 600lbft to it and keep it somewhat reliable. I am shooting for at least 100 more hp/torque for my ddsrt. Its going to be a pricey 100 though 😔 i did find the hp95 parts will, for the most part, be interchangable.. great vid as usual!!!!!
Man you're 100% right why even bother. Modding your engine isn't easy you have to cover all the weak points. I kept it simple. I just added a K&N intake some new headers a new throttle body and a tune for my 2014 R/T. These are minor mods I'm completely happy with.
Lol I know I'm a year late but I feel the same way about my RT til this day it doesn't take much to have fun the 5.7s already come solid...
What about headers? I was looking to add long tube headers on my 2015 R/T is there something I should do before I add the headers? I put on the Borla ATAK exhaust a few months back.
Another great video, X. I've been wondering, since you spoke of upgrading the fueling system, what you thought of the gas/oil companies adjusting the price of the different gas levels. In the 80s and 90s, and possibly the 2000s, the gas could be purchased at about a 10 cent difference between the grades. 87 octane may have been at 3 dollars a gallon and you'd see 89 at 3.10 and 92/93 at 3.20. Now, there seems to be about a 30+ cent difference between the grades. Could you examine whether that is due to a difference in cost/production or whether that's because these high horsepower monsters have become such a large part of everyday driving? My thought is the latter.
Keep up the great work, X.
Horsepower=Happiness
Well put.
The neighbor rolling in 😁
I got a builder/tuner he’s originally from texas but he stays in VA and goes back and forth to Texas. He has done a lot of hemi builds most or all of his 392 builds make 500-525 whp with cam heads ported intake and manifolds with headers. He also does his own tuning. He does all that work for around 6-8k 500 whp is enough to run 10s all n/a. His ig is mackbuilt
Solid info!
Is there a lopey cam / tune set up that will add around 50 HP to a 392, that doesn't require me to upgrade anything else in the car? Thanks.
Well hopefully I'll be good with my RT. Swapped over a bunch of stuff from the 392. Differential, intake manifold, cam, headers, and midpipes. From stock it's probably about a 70 to 80 HP difference all together. The RT had a lot of restrictions. Technically the 392 is a built up 5.7.
However I'll be careful if I do a blower, however I may just opt out of that as that could be used for a down payment. I'll admit, when I upgrade to a 392 or a Hellcat, I may just leave it stock (I said the same thing when I got my RT, so I'm probably lying when I say that). I imagine that the next generation Chargers will be improved, not just in performance, but also build quality and technology.