@@MrShahussa No one gets a new car for $10K. Any new car can “drive amazing” and most of them have 360 cameras already same with adaptive cruise control. This is Toyota we’re talking about. There’s nothing about the Mirai that’s worth the money.
Yup, hydrogen really seems like the way forward. Batteries are too expensive to replace, have unethical supply chains, and still use coal power sources in the end.
@@zim777these hydrogen tanks have expiry date. Not only that, fuel cell requires platinum, much more exotic and expensive than any battery chemistry. To top it all off, fuel cell vehicle also need batteries.
A 10 min refuel per customer vs just installing a ton of cheap, ez fast chargers that'll only add 5 mins(today! 800volt architecture and beyond is on the way) but can serve more people at once..no chance, no chance. Hydrogen has had plenty of time and has failed for commuter use, Mirai owners can be found begging online for an accident to total their car and get them out of their contracts
Yeah bro this car is totally meant to take u and ur 4 other coworkers from ur regular old 9-5 5 days a week job and not just an experimental vehicle that’s utilizing something completely different in order to be able to run because it’s meant to stand as a precursor to hopefully a new age of more environmentally friendly transportation 😭😭💀💀😭😭💀
Wtf, my motorcycle makes more than that. And that motor is pushing a car🤣🤣 how the heck does it get up to speed fast enough to get onto the highway? (All hypothetical from here) Please tell me you’re not that person who is going 40 mph when you get on the highway because that’s so dangerous a big rig can slam into the back of you. that lane on the side of the highway to get is on is meant to speed up and be close to the speed of traffic.
Calling a 182hp car "slow" is totally out of touch with common people and tbf arrogant. I myself drive a i-6 with over 300hp, but I'd never see a 182hp car as "slow". 99% of people drive a car thats
Buddy a car of this size and weight with 182 hp will BARELY get out of its own way. You have no power to pass or anything. It’s not a 3000 lbs car with an I4 my guy.
@@hotshotxiit’s slow compared to a lot of other new cars but it’s still 9 seconds 0-60 which is comparable to my 1997 V8 Lincoln. The Lincoln has about the same HP and I’ve never felt like it was slow and it can even beat some modern cars 0-30mph because of the gearing lol. The Lincoln definitely isn’t fast but it’s not painfully slow like you guys are making 0-60 in 9 seconds sound. I also figure this was their first major attempt at a hydrogen cell and in the future maybe they can make them more powerful.
@@efekanuyguner6513 Refill in 3-5 minutes while electric cars fastest 30min. On a trip where you can't precharge at home that's 25 more minutes at least with pure electric. On longer trips where you need to refill/charge at least 3 times it's 15min vs 1 hour and 15 min. Hydrogen tanks will also be cheaper to replace if needed vs lithium battery packs.
@@flygod. The problem is how negative he portrayed the brand. Toyotas been getting hit with hit pieces on purposes because they aren't following the global agenda of going full electric and are the only company willing to explore other options. What should be a wise decision not to throw all your eggs in one basket is now fuel for 'cancel culture' AKA the corporation/military overlords to shame the #1 car brand back into rank and file.
@@destroyerofsimps6574 you must not know about hydrogen. hydrogen tanks are literally bombs. we had them in a warehouse I worked in and the tanks were super sophisticated for safety reasons. having them in cars that could crash is terrible idea.
@@destroyerofsimps6574as a chemical engineer I can assure you that hydrogen is the most reactive and explosive element in existence. I don't think it's even safe to smoke in a car like this.
The Mirai first went on sale in 2015.... Since then the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal have become global best sellers and Hydrogen is STILL limited California and select locations in Europe and Asia. It's clear this is a fluke and Toyota risks falling behind if they don't adapt fast.
@@hex1233bro toyota is owns half of the hybrid industry and electric because they make the parts bmw is using there parts too so no they are pretty much just fucking around rn💀
@@josephgarcia4302 Toyota owns half the hybrid industry, which will almost certainly be dead in 10 years. Hybrids are just gas cars with a tiny battery. You should see the EV they make. It is competing for worst car of the year.
@@OhioBahn440 cleaner, but is it still considered air if it has no oxygen? Isn't it just emitting purified nitrogen at that point? It's clean, but it's a stretch to call it air.
Japan went down the hydrogen route as a strategic choice with govt support instead of electricity. They chose wrong, and are trying to switch to electrification now. It's why there are several hydrogen concepts from Japan and very few from anywhere else.
A Tesla has 0% efficiency if it has nothing to power it. The Miria is essentially just a Tesla WITH the power station combined with it. Just it uses Hydrogen.
Let's not forget that Hydrogen availability at volume is near zero. Reality check: as a fuel, it's so expensive that Mirai owners are suing Toyota for dropping the fuel coupons that made ownership affordable. Access to public fueling stations is incredibly rare. Russia, the largest country in the world, has none. China is the world leader with 250 stations at last count, the US has 55, all in California, and Canada (the 2nd largest country in the world) only has 9.
@@ronindebeatrice we can use better materials to build tanks stronger and store at higher BAR. We have to drastically increase in the 700BAR recommended now.
@@mohammedsalimahmed5230 That is not correct. Kerb weight is ~1900kg Max load capacity is ~550kg Which brings us to gross weight of ~2,45t. Please note that kerb weight is the weight of vehicle with all equipment installed and fluids loaded, without passengers or cargo. Also, with over 330nm of torque and 182hp this 1900kg car is perfectly capable piece of machinery. My BMW has kerb weight of 1800kg and with it's 184hp I've never felt slow on the road. Y'all must've grown up driving Porches and Lambos.
It’s hard to perfect hydrogen technologies It’s far better than EVs, for eco friendly people.. But due hardness in developing technology, most manufacturers refrained…. Wish more people could think
Hydrogen-powered vehicles have their place, but consumer vehicles aren’t a good application of the technology. Commercial vehicles, like garbage trucks and public transit buses would be far more forgiving platforms. 1.) These vehicles are large enough to integrate the fuel cells (tanks) without drastically reducing the cabin’s internal space. 2.) The fuel stack (engine) doesn’t need to generate the kind of horsepower a personal vehicle is expected to have. They stop frequently and torque is far more important for hauling the kind of payload a large commercial vehicle is expected to carry. 3.) Commercial vehicles that service a single municipality can refuel at a depot, whereas personal vehicles require a network of refueling stations. As for the environmental impact of hydrogen fuel, it’s not as ecologically friendly as most people think. The two processes that make large-scale fuel production are steam-methane reformation and electrolysis. Steam-methane reformation is a process which uses heat to cause a catalytic reaction to transform methane gas into syngas, a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide. You’re transforming one hydrocarbon into another. Electrolysis is a process in which high-voltage electricity is used to split the molecular bonds of water. Generating that power usually comes through means that aren’t environmentally friendly.
Lol someone probably paid him to make this talk poorly about it. Hydrogen cars are not there yet for everyone. But they can be a valuable piece to the green energy puzzle in the future
For reference, there’s 130,000 public fast chargers in America. As of September 2022, there were 54 publicly accessible hydrogen refueling stations in the US, 53 of which were located in California, with one in Hawaii. 💀💀💀
Don't be a hater.. I rather get a hydrogen then electric.. Hopefully in a few years I will be ready, for now, I am enjoying my gasoline power car 😁😁😁😁😁.
@@SoulKingBKactually when you buy your electric vehicle there is a clause you sign off to in fine print that you could get sent to cobalt mines and life as a slave if you are not using the car correctly: I am the slave master there
@@Richard-dz4pm the difference is the quantity. It was already a know problem before EV’s prevalence, but you need so much more to make a Tesla battery than a Samsung phone battery.
This isn’t new. It’s the second generation and Honda has a second generation hydrogen fuel cell car as well. GM also ran a hydrogen program in the mid 00s. Toyota and Honda are the only manufactures that sell their hydrogen cars to the masses.
This is a rather unappealing first step, I just hope it doesn't fail for same reasons that the original electric cars from the early 20th century failed. We won't get better versions if nobody buys this one or nobody invests in the notoriously finicky hydrogen infrastructure.
he's mocking it going "it's much cleaner for the environment but that's about it" and thus, he has missed the entire point. I'd love one of those knowing it actually helps.
But in this era you honestly have so much resource you really shouldn’t drop anything until is figured out. this is going to take a hit they don’t need.
Hydrogen is a much worse green house gas than CO2. And since hydrogen is so volatile, a huge amount is lost during production, transport and storage. It’s horrible for the environment regarding climate and it’s also not cleaner than an EV since hydrogen production also takes more electricity than an EV uses for the same mile. It’s just nonsense and actually counterproductive.
they will get better remember electric cars in the 90's that GM made. Once Hydrogen infrastructure is in place more R&D will go into those vehicles. If they made one on sequoia platform with bigger/more tanks it would be alot better option.
I like the tech just not the execution. Too much practicality taken away. Makes it significantly less competitive. I love the idea but most consumers could care less if it’s gas, electric, hydrogen, or fart powered. They just want it to make sense & this doesn’t in this current form.
@@forrestsautoreviewsofficial honesty the best policy. They gave you the car to review, not boast about it🤷🏽♂️ Make a better car, and you won’t get shitted on😂
They’re only paying for the first three years because there’s no Hydrogen Stations anywhere 😂😂 unless you live in California, you’re pretty much screwed.
There is zero cobalt being used here. Most batteries are LFP, which is mostly iron and about 3-7% lithium. The only things that still use colbalt are small lithium-ion batteries for smartphones.
Refining gasoline requires cobalt as a catalyst. yet nobody seemed to care about it. it only became a talking point when talking about EV's. And as mentioned battery chemistries exist that don't use cobalt.
@@TheCountess666 ok well when you guys quit buying batteries from China that is using great road initiative to takeover Africa, then I'll believe you. Until then, hydrogen is the preferred non cruel and non Sino dependent solution.
Lol, hydrogen makes perfect sense! The design of the interior space is the bad part, also it doesn't have a normal transmission is a 1 speed like a cvt and what's the point of having a fast car if you go the speed limit anyways?
Electric will win out over hydrogen until electrolysis is essentially a byproduct of another energy source. Humanity is moving into interesting places....
Bought a hydrogen car two years ago for under $2000, it was brand new. after driving it and needing fuel found out why it was so cheap. owner lived near me on the bottom side of SC, and the fuel station is located just under NC and driving back you have about 10 miles before having to drive back to fill up. been sitting in a garage using it as a hot box car for friends in NC.
@@joshbridges8410so where is the infrastructure then? If I'm not mistaken only a few such hydrogen stations are out there in the US might be California, if there would be more stations manufacturers would add smaller tanks. Because right now to get somewhere you need to fill full tank and to go back you need to do the same
@@01iverQueen hydrogen infrastructure is non existent because it cost a LOT of money to put up a hydrogen fuel station and maintain it to serve not a lot of people. Instead of spending $1.5 million to put up a single hydrogen station, why not put 30 level 3 EV fast chargers instead?
Yeah, you can easily road trip between the two states with hydrogen stations. 53 total in the country, with 52 in California and the 53rd in Hawaii. Have fun with that road trip 😂😂😂
@@juliancampelll The fact it costs over 40x as much to install 1 station as it does to install 1 supercharger makes it extremely less practical, you're literally never going to be able to see as many out there as you can find chargers. Going to a remote cabin for a week? Literally plug into a basic 120v. Plus I don't see how you're getting around the cold issue given that these stations have to store hydrogen at -400F, meanwhile EV's still have obvious room to grow with charging speed optimization by upping voltage.
@@xipalips a small price to pay considering all the money we waste anyways. If you can lose 2 trillion dollars in iraq and Afghanistan, i think we can figure this one out
That Mirai is the 2nd generation Mirai. It's not a concept car anymore. No one is buying hydrogen cars since the price per kilo jumped up to $29 from $16 just a few years ago. Imagine paying $145 just for 400 miles in range.
like the electric vehicles did? Don't say that!! im hopeing that one day they will improve the EV with the ability to fully charge from absolute 0 to 100 percent in 3 to 5 minutes and offers a range of atleast 500 miles and for under 50 thousand dollars so i can buy one! For now i have the full size luxurious Jaguar XJl which i fully fuel up (once a month)and takes me 3 to 5 minutes. range 570 miles and i got it used with 18,000 miles on it at 41,000 dollars, paid off. I hope the next generation EV will have these fine qualities and improvements. infact the good people at Tesla in Philadelphia Pennsylvania told me quote, "Have patience because that day is coming." Ok then I'll waite.....
@@carlsmith5545idk man synthetic fuel sounds better cuz EVs pollute more. Digging up the earth with the machinery that consumes more gas than an entire fucking city. Plus, this could be a terrorist's dream because you can have an entire lane of EVs waiting at an intersection and boom! If one explodes the others explode too and there's no way to stop the fire. Synthetic fuel is made by binding carbon and hydrogen atoms in order to make the fuel mixture, and carbon is sourced from CO2. So yeah no digging here.
I do think that hydrogen powered cars do satisfy both fields, they are clean, they don’t have a giant battery full of lithium that one imperfection will fry you like bread in a toaster. This would work well in a body style of a truck where there is more room to implement these hydrogen tanks but I do not think that a car is suitable for the amount they want to fit in, if they wish to make less space on the interior I am sure they can come up with something by reshaping the tanks to be more adaptive to the space needed inside the car. Gas has been our go to for many, many years but if we are to be forced to change I’d rather hydrogen power over an ev in the longrun. Hydrogen power can be improved in cars as a fuel and I am completely on board with not having the car be 2x heavier because of a huge cobalt and lithium battery.
@@theblue_hatter4829yeah, instead they have ultra high pressure tanks all around you. They are also closer to 40-60% efficient in reality. Hydrogen generation is not an efficient process. Storing and transporting it is never going to improve. You can't reshape the tanks. The pressures are so high they can only be spheres or cylinders. FYI the rate of EV fires is lower than that of combustion vehicle fires. Also, Tesla and others are using lithium iron phosphate batteries (no cobalt, and no nickel).
@@theblue_hatter4829Also... Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles... are electric. They use hydrogen to generate electricity. it's actually an electric motor moving the car.... Furthermore, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles ALSO have batteries, albeit smaller than an exclusively electric vehicle, but still contain those scawey elements you're so concerned about.
@@theblue_hatter4829 instead they have ultra high pressure tanks all around you. They are also closer to 60% efficient in reality. Hydrogen generation is not an efficient process. Storing and transporting it is never going to improve. You can't reshape the tanks. The pressures are so high they can only be spheres or cylinders. FYI the rate of EV fires is lower than that of combustion vehicle fires. Also, Tesla and others are using lithium iron phosphate batteries (no cobalt, and no nickel).
That's why limited energy sources are a problem with fuels and batteries. This is why we need an unlimited self-sufficient energy sources that power our vehicles and electronics
@@aviateeditsthat’s true but not a reason to say I don’t buy a hydrogen car If more people buy one, more gas stations will give you hydrogen it’s the same as with the electric cars But hydrogen cars are way more climate friendly, so they should be the option you chose when you buy a car
@@HeinrichDerGrosse1298no they aren't 😂 hydrogen either comes from stripping fossil fuels of hydrogen or electrolysis of water. From the grid to producing hydrogen gas hydrogen is already less efficient than an electric car going from grid to torque, never mind shipping, storing, pumping the hydrogen and converting it into torque.
Are you actually suggesting hydrogen emissions are not clean? Govt pushing EV, which has to be charged at station. The electricity charging it is probably from COAL!
Toyota is trying somthing new because EV vehicles are very impractical. The child labor used to mine resources in Africa are only one reason to not like them. Not to mention they go through tires like they are free and you guessed it tires are made of ... Crude oil . Also whenever your battery does inevitability die it will ve a 7k-10k repair and the battery can not be recycled leading to more pollution from lithium ion batteries sitting in scrap yards that take 1000s of years to degrade. On a normal gas car 99% of it besides its small lead based battery are recyclable and the tires. I get the idea of electrical vehicles being good while they are working. But lets face it our electrical grid cant handle the energy draw now and its like 1\10 vehicles on the road or less . We dont have the infrastructure also dont have a clean way to mine or recycle lithium . Until different battery technology us discovered and scaled up to a cars size EV'S MAKE ZERO SENSE especially if you care about the environment or child labor. Thank you for listening to my rant about EV
• No child labor is necessary to build EVs. Sourcing and material requirements have changed a lot in the recent years. • EVs use tires about ~20% faster on average, but they go through brake parts extremely slowly and do not require regular oil changes. The overall maintenance impact is far smaller. • EV batteries are almost completely recyclable. It's a complete myth that they aren't. Look up lithium battery recycling. • Depending on your country, a full transition only requires about 5% more energy. The US did something similar when transitioning to air conditioners in houses, and it somehow worked out. • There's no clean way to mine for any of the materials used in any car. Cars are obviously not a clean thing to begin with, and the main focus should be on public transport and walkable/cycleable urban design. But many people still need cars, and EVs are easily cleaner than internal combustion engine cars.
@@logitech4873 must be nice believing everything big corporations run by the CCP tell you. Only if I could be so naive. There has been multiple independent journalist cover this topic as well just look up lithium mining in Africa yes they are owned by the Chinese yes they use child slaves this is not something that's super obscure, no this is a massive problem . Why are you trying to defend it either? They don't care about you just your money fool
americans have heavy cars. this is also a heavy car. this 180hp toyota will be about as fast as a 100hp golf. which is fine if you ask me, americans spend all day in traffic anyway, 0-60mph time never matters if your entire daily commute is spent at an average speed of 5mph
the thing is it has alot of weight from the h2 cell, tanks, battery, motor, and electrical 😅 h2 cells are the worst hybrid possible for being expensive, inefficient, unreliable, complex. and I'm sure any measure of failure 😂
I guarantee you an old golf that only makes 100hp or less is a much more fun driving experience than this thing. New cars are so heavy, older cars are where it’s at for sure. They often have much lighter chassis and don’t have as many electronics which makes for a very rewarding drive.
@@alnoso only Americans in big cities are in traffic. I regularly travel state to state, the highways are empty and very well made (for the most part), you can go fast as hell lol
@@kevinb7551 How do you even know that? BEVs are heavy and expensive, too. The rest are just bold claims about an emerging technology called hydrogen EVs. If you see the big picture, you see affordable electricity in a fair competition between EVs and normals cars.
Same with the first EVs. The only difference is they are taking care in making them look good and functional. Instead of just functional. Another 10 years and these cars will replace EVs.
its a CALI thing. its not gonna take off. i like to think of it as a pilot program for alternative energy. 1) regular gas ... ironically no longer as common, Ethanol Free 2) the actual common gas E10, it has around10% corn ethanol 3) E85, 85% ethanol 4) battery vehicle 4a) plug in hybrid (PHEV) 4b) non plug hybrid (HEV) 4c) full batter (BEV) 5) hydrogen now with all these options its just part of the greater trend to lower fossil fuels. charging stations for hydrogen is only in cali, so apparently its not taking for a reason. (i dont know much cuz i only saw this clip and did minimal research on Hydrogen) battery power is cool but has limitations. most of which are improving like distance and more electricty with less weight but they gotta do other stuff which i gotta read more on before commenting. like shifting from Lithium mixes to some other mixes. personally i like non plug hyrbids cuz GAS IS KING in my opinion yet for certain parts of the drive, battery would be king. 1) slow driving, 2) inner city driving 3) fast food lanes 4) curbing other points in a the gas drive where gas is less efficient to me Gas is better for LONG distance like freight vehicles and towing but just commuter vehicles and passenger cars battery can better shine. so for the common man, non plug hybrids would be best since they dont have to pay for charging stations in addition to the higher cost of battery powertrains. once charging stations are more common and battery vehicles get cheaper then id say Plug in Hybrids and full battery vehicles would be better. but maybe for inner cities, make the battery a LOT cheaper for them. i know there was a bill passed by biden so we'll see.where it goes from here. long story short, hydrogen is just another option of powering a car that if cheaper could make fleet taxis work in New York, maybe.... i guess. we just need cheaper batteries and a way to recycle them. until then Gas is king. but i still support going green.. just be sensible about it.
It's adequate for more than the average driver. I've owned cars with two digit HP numbers ans people everywhere worh V8 trucks ans SUV's holding me up. Most just drove around lkke mindless zombines, usually on their phone. They're better off worh less than 150hp.
Most car people like the combustion engine, this is a way to save the engine, you know like the V8's, V10's and V12's we all love. This is the way if you want real car sounds and not that fake emulation rubbish.
Fuel cell makes total sense. Currently the Japanese government and Toyota are working hand-in-hand to build a hydrogen infrastructure in Japan. They are also lobbying the UN to slow the forced adoption of electric vehicles because they believe hydrogen is and will be the future. I agree with Toyota completely and I will adopt a hydrogen vehicle before I ever invest into an EV.
@@maquindesign9158 that might’ve been the case years ago, but Toyota has reinforced the hydrogen tanks to prevent such events. It’s the same story with tankers one crash and kaboom. It’s not unique to hydrogen or fuel. Any contents under pressure have the same effect.
no signs of an hydrogen infrastructure being built in the rest of the world though...EV has a big headstart in chargg'ing infrastructure vs hydrogen infrastructure 50k charging stations vs 50 hydrogen pumps in the US. Bev also almost twice as efficient from the grid to the wheels (making hydrogen takes energy) and hydrogen ev such as the Mirai are vastly inferior to Bev like model 3 doesn't look good for hydrogen only advantage is fueling in 5 minutes vs 20mn for quickest charging EVs but even that is changing and EVs can charge at home unlike hydrogen cars
Same dude. EV's are overhyped. Until they can mass produce long life batteries and we stop burning fossil fuels to power the grid that charges the EV's, I really don't see a compelling value proposition.
Yeah, why buy an EV when you can drive hydrogen that takes 4 times the amount of installed solar and wind to go the same distance. Japan is doing it because they currently import 100% of their transportation fuel. They plan on switching most of that to importing liquid hydrogen shipped from Australia.
Actually seems like a smarter play than our current stance of EV being the future. You have the allow the tech to catch up. It takes 3-5 minutes to defrost and an addition 3-5 to fill up. It takes EV’s 30 minutes + to charge and in the cold you lose range…. Pick a struggle. Nor can our power grid accept a mass adoption of EV’s. Ask California
It don't randomly catch on fire like EV's!! Building a body that accually fits the system would have made better sense. No real thought put into hydrogen after failing so miserably with electric power.
The problem with hydrogen is volumetric density, which is 20% of diesel. On the other hand, gravimetric density is 3 times higher, making it much lighter than petrol or batteries.
Besides the lack of infrastructure, hydrogen fuel cells make a lot more sense for things like trucks and heavy equipment. The fuel weighs less, the refueling is just as fast as ICE and it's probably quite durable
@@cameronbartlett856 Power is easily scalable with current fuel-cell technology And they can have some power behind them, I mean, is really bad to have a mid-size sedan which has ~180hp and 300NM of torque?
Hydrogen hybrids could make sense for heavy vehicles, like a fuel cell for steady state loads and a hydrogen fired ICE for peak power demands, but you just trade very heavy batteries for very large hydrogen tanks so I don't think it's ideal. Plus, hydrogen takes a lot of electricity to make, so why not just use that electricity directly instead of converting it to Hydrogen and then back to electricity. Hydrogen is also notoriously hard to store and move around on account of how tiny the molecule is. Diesel-battery-electric is likely to be the future of heavy equipment.
@@logitech4873 The only recharge stations in the us is in california. I would only have one tank of fuel since I do not live there. Not a very practical purchase.
@@TheStickCollector You said there was nothing outside of California. I see plenty in Europe. In my opinion, Europe is outside of California. Maybe you should have checked.
@@logitech4873 Apparently my implication wasn't good enough. Since I am in in the us that still means I would have to go there unless I visit abroad and rent one.
We can, however if you’re paying $30K and more for a car then you’re gonna wanna get all you can with it. Imagine spending $50K on a Toyota that has low acceleration and isn’t fun to drive
Toyota has been trying to make Hydrogen cars thing for LONG time ( in car world terms ) , i believe even before Tesla motors was a thing so of the haven't figured out packaging yet ( they are the literal kings of lean manufacturing) they never will. DOA
BMW is making a X5 hydrogen. It's almost finished. But as long as there are almost no fuel stations for hydrogen, this doesn't make sense. otherwise I would directly buy one
Agreed on all fronts
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I'd still buy one before I'd buy a Prius or any BMW lol
The one time he convinces me to not buy a car
Unless of course, you get a new car for 10K
Drives amazing, 360 camera is insane and adaptive cruise is second only to Tesla
But with the whole idea to but electric to be clean. Isn’t this worth it. Honestly. Look into it.
But hydrogen over electric is worth it. To be clean, green and efficient.
@@Trinidadsotello88 use that hydrogen to generate energy outside the car for the cars (electric) to use
@@MrShahussa No one gets a new car for $10K. Any new car can “drive amazing” and most of them have 360 cameras already same with adaptive cruise control. This is Toyota we’re talking about. There’s nothing about the Mirai that’s worth the money.
“So it’s slow” *drives away faster than most compact cars*
yeah how is 185hp slow lol
cause the car weighs almost as much as a f150 @electrifieddev
@electrifieddev yanks live in a different world when it comes to cars, to them 5L engines are normal
@@brainloop99 my European mind cannot comprehend this
@@electrifieddev the weight of the car... it is underpowered
Also a typical hydrogen fillup is between $70-$100 for about the same general range as a modern EV.
Costs ~$200 to fill this car completely.
Not true at all
Keep in mind the infrastructure isn't there yet
Due to a pack of infrastructure. It needs more backing
@@charliehughes1051you know how hard you have to convince a company to make HYDROGEN pump station ?
Can't expect new technology to be above par. I give Toyota an A+ for effort. They'll eventually get it right.
Yup, hydrogen really seems like the way forward. Batteries are too expensive to replace, have unethical supply chains, and still use coal power sources in the end.
@@zim777these hydrogen tanks have expiry date. Not only that, fuel cell requires platinum, much more exotic and expensive than any battery chemistry. To top it all off, fuel cell vehicle also need batteries.
@@bltzcstrnxwhat's in a catalytic converter again?
@@bltzcstrnxpetrol cars need batteries
This is anything but new technology….
Toyota gonna be like..... yeah no more cars for you🤣🤣🤣
Right😂
I said the same thing😮🙄🫣
Hopefully they can deal with 9 out of 10 good videos. 😅
@@forrestsautoreviewsofficial facts🤣🤣🤣 and can accept some criticism
Honesty hurts
3-5 mins to thaw is nothing, the real thing is you would find no hydrogen station
Exactly
A 10 min refuel per customer vs just installing a ton of cheap, ez fast chargers that'll only add 5 mins(today! 800volt architecture and beyond is on the way) but can serve more people at once..no chance, no chance. Hydrogen has had plenty of time and has failed for commuter use, Mirai owners can be found begging online for an accident to total their car and get them out of their contracts
You can literally make it from batteries and water or aluminum and drain cleaner
You can literally make it from batteries and water or aluminum and drain cleaner
You expect me to sit in a preborn baby position on this road trip? 😂 That car not selling.
Yeah bro this car is totally meant to take u and ur 4 other coworkers from ur regular old 9-5 5 days a week job and not just an experimental vehicle that’s utilizing something completely different in order to be able to run because it’s meant to stand as a precursor to hopefully a new age of more environmentally friendly transportation 😭😭💀💀😭😭💀
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"182 hp so it's slow"
Me crying in my 45hp Ibiza
Well, own fault, you didnt need to buy a cucumber of a car
@@champroyale5018 cucumber car= chad
@@darthjarjar2742 i dont have an porsche either, but 45hp? It loses speed when driving down a hill
Wtf, my motorcycle makes more than that. And that motor is pushing a car🤣🤣 how the heck does it get up to speed fast enough to get onto the highway? (All hypothetical from here) Please tell me you’re not that person who is going 40 mph when you get on the highway because that’s so dangerous a big rig can slam into the back of you. that lane on the side of the highway to get is on is meant to speed up and be close to the speed of traffic.
SDI gang😎🤙
I hurt my back just watching him crawl up at the backseat😂
Calling a 182hp car "slow" is totally out of touch with common people and tbf arrogant.
I myself drive a i-6 with over 300hp, but I'd never see a 182hp car as "slow".
99% of people drive a car thats
But for 50-70k 182hp it is kinda slow...
Even the Camry has at least 225hp (starting at 28k) and even the Prius has 10hp more
It’s 4,300 pounds man. A 1991 Miata has a better power to weight ratio
Buddy a car of this size and weight with 182 hp will BARELY get out of its own way. You have no power to pass or anything. It’s not a 3000 lbs car with an I4 my guy.
There are EVs pushing 1000hp. 182 is slow these days
@@hotshotxiit’s slow compared to a lot of other new cars but it’s still 9 seconds 0-60 which is comparable to my 1997 V8 Lincoln. The Lincoln has about the same HP and I’ve never felt like it was slow and it can even beat some modern cars 0-30mph because of the gearing lol. The Lincoln definitely isn’t fast but it’s not painfully slow like you guys are making 0-60 in 9 seconds sound. I also figure this was their first major attempt at a hydrogen cell and in the future maybe they can make them more powerful.
That awkward moment when your car makes 95 horse power and Forrest calls 185 HP slow
That's three more than mine...
keep in mind this car weights over 2.5 tons
My '84 Dacia 1310 makes 56 hp 🤣
Mine makes 70 💀
My Ford ranger gets 207 HP lol
Bro said yall ain't paid me enough for a good review
that's all this clown is. A paid actor.
Bro car is straight up unpractical
@@efekanuyguner6513 Refill in 3-5 minutes while electric cars fastest 30min. On a trip where you can't precharge at home that's 25 more minutes at least with pure electric. On longer trips where you need to refill/charge at least 3 times it's 15min vs 1 hour and 15 min. Hydrogen tanks will also be cheaper to replace if needed vs lithium battery packs.
@@davidgutierrez8297fam there's no mass chargers for it💀
@@flygod. The problem is how negative he portrayed the brand. Toyotas been getting hit with hit pieces on purposes because they aren't following the global agenda of going full electric and are the only company willing to explore other options. What should be a wise decision not to throw all your eggs in one basket is now fuel for 'cancel culture' AKA the corporation/military overlords to shame the #1 car brand back into rank and file.
They are cleaner, until they blow up half a block.
When has that happened? But you can point to a lot of EV fires which are extremely hard to put out.
@@destroyerofsimps6574 you must not know about hydrogen. hydrogen tanks are literally bombs. we had them in a warehouse I worked in and the tanks were super sophisticated for safety reasons. having them in cars that could crash is terrible idea.
They aren't ever cleaner...
@@destroyerofsimps6574as a chemical engineer I can assure you that hydrogen is the most reactive and explosive element in existence. I don't think it's even safe to smoke in a car like this.
@@icy1007 Fuel cells are actually a lot cleaner than EV's, and it cleans the air going through the fuel cell aswell
Sitting over the hydrogen tank... One crash and u get sent to the moon 😂
Hydrogen tanks are made significantly tougher than regular fuel tanks in cars and you don't see petrol or diesel cars exploding after crashes
@@kovs-gg8wtwhat about the Ford pinto?
@@parkerraines216 Yes a car that was designed 50 years ago
Man have you seen the people getting insinarated by electric car batteries ? I wonder how many lives hydrogen cars have claimed vs electric cars.
@kovs-gg8wt the difference is those are liquids at regular atmospheric pressure while hydrogen is a gas and under extreme pressure in those tanks.
“182 hp, so it’s slow”… me crying in my civic with less than 60
I think people don't really know what slow is. 😂
But when you vtec kicks in..you get 62😂
That car likely weighs a lot more than the civic
I think a lot of people underestimate power-to-weight and gearing ratio.
on the bright side, your Civic probably doesn't weigh 2 tons
Toyota after this video dropped : *I sense…a disturbance*
BMW Hydrogen 7:
*Totally undisturbed*
@@FifyKaqiqiPain weve had hydrogen cars
as if dozens of sales suddenly seized yo become.
😅😅
More like I sense foul play (whoever else is backing this guy, some ev)
Imagine your sitting in the seat and car caught on fire
I would get up from the seat. But that's just my opinion, I might be wrong here.
“182 hp so it’s slow” bruh my Hyundai makes like 128HP and it gets the job done just fine😂😂
Is it a 2011 elantra?
@@OmerKing916 13’ veloster
@@robertcalifornia3267 Ah, I see.
Yeah, but people forget that this is basicly a driveable prototype... You gotta start somewhere...
The Mirai first went on sale in 2015.... Since then the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal have become global best sellers and Hydrogen is STILL limited California and select locations in Europe and Asia. It's clear this is a fluke and Toyota risks falling behind if they don't adapt fast.
@@hex1233bro toyota is owns half of the hybrid industry and electric because they make the parts bmw is using there parts too so no they are pretty much just fucking around rn💀
its not a prototype. the Mirai has had versions out for YEARS
@@josephgarcia4302 Toyota owns half the hybrid industry, which will almost certainly be dead in 10 years. Hybrids are just gas cars with a tiny battery. You should see the EV they make. It is competing for worst car of the year.
@@treelizard99i don't know why are we talking about hybrid car when this is a hydrogen car not the same
Still props to Toyota for developing in multiple directions - you never know where the next breakthrough in technology is going to happen.
Yeah, for sure, pretty sure he would say the same thing; technology just isn’t there quite yet
Surprised he didn’t mention the air it puts off is cleaner than the air it draws in
Respect to toyota for not just sipping the BEV koolaid
@@OhioBahn440 cleaner, but is it still considered air if it has no oxygen? Isn't it just emitting purified nitrogen at that point? It's clean, but it's a stretch to call it air.
Japan went down the hydrogen route as a strategic choice with govt support instead of electricity. They chose wrong, and are trying to switch to electrification now. It's why there are several hydrogen concepts from Japan and very few from anywhere else.
Hydrogen is better don't whine about details. Interior can be upgraded and be more luxury. Main point is that hydrogen is better
Better at what
Hydrogen has a maximum efficiency of 75%, a Tesla can reach over 90%
A Tesla has 0% efficiency if it has nothing to power it. The Miria is essentially just a Tesla WITH the power station combined with it. Just it uses Hydrogen.
@@Icessassin ????
How much of the KWs produced to charge your tesla is clean energy?? Ok then
@@jcherestal In my country around 60% of the power generated is clean, soon it will be much more
@@LeonardoMeireles05 what country
0-60: 3-5 business days
You're crazy 🤪
Yoo 😂😂
Made me literally LOL and I don’t do that much 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Looks like Amazon made this car
Ain't getting no head with that center console 💀💀
mans asking the real questions here
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Your priorities 😅
I spat out my coffee you bastard 😂
comments like this are why i cum to youtube.
Let's not forget that Hydrogen availability at volume is near zero. Reality check: as a fuel, it's so expensive that Mirai owners are suing Toyota for dropping the fuel coupons that made ownership affordable. Access to public fueling stations is incredibly rare. Russia, the largest country in the world, has none. China is the world leader with 250 stations at last count, the US has 55, all in California, and Canada (the 2nd largest country in the world) only has 9.
I refuse to buy an EV and I would definitely not buy this.
10 years later we'd probably be laughing at the size of this tank
Frl he’s acting like electric cars where logical when they came out oh wait they still aren’t lol
Damn right. You have to think the other way around. 10 years in the past we‘ve laughed about hydrogen cars ever happening
It's not like we're going to redefine hydrogen. It has an low density. We cannot build tanks any smaller, or the cars will have no range.
In 10 years I'm hoping they're a distant memory!
@@ronindebeatrice we can use better materials to build tanks stronger and store at higher BAR. We have to drastically increase in the 700BAR recommended now.
182hp is more than enough for 99% of people.
Not at that weight. It apparently weighs 2.5 ton
99.999999%, I totally agree.
@@mohammedsalimahmed5230 That is not correct.
Kerb weight is ~1900kg
Max load capacity is ~550kg
Which brings us to gross weight of ~2,45t.
Please note that kerb weight is the weight of vehicle with all equipment installed and fluids loaded, without passengers or cargo.
Also, with over 330nm of torque and 182hp this 1900kg car is perfectly capable piece of machinery. My BMW has kerb weight of 1800kg and with it's 184hp I've never felt slow on the road.
Y'all must've grown up driving Porches and Lambos.
Me cussing out at my truck because it only has 445HP. LOL
@@mohammedsalimahmed5230 it is enough. Nobody needs more power in a car.
It’s hard to perfect hydrogen technologies
It’s far better than EVs, for eco friendly people..
But due hardness in developing technology, most manufacturers refrained….
Wish more people could think
Hydrogen-powered vehicles have their place, but consumer vehicles aren’t a good application of the technology. Commercial vehicles, like garbage trucks and public transit buses would be far more forgiving platforms.
1.) These vehicles are large enough to integrate the fuel cells (tanks) without drastically reducing the cabin’s internal space.
2.) The fuel stack (engine) doesn’t need to generate the kind of horsepower a personal vehicle is expected to have. They stop frequently and torque is far more important for hauling the kind of payload a large commercial vehicle is expected to carry.
3.) Commercial vehicles that service a single municipality can refuel at a depot, whereas personal vehicles require a network of refueling stations.
As for the environmental impact of hydrogen fuel, it’s not as ecologically friendly as most people think. The two processes that make large-scale fuel production are steam-methane reformation and electrolysis.
Steam-methane reformation is a process which uses heat to cause a catalytic reaction to transform methane gas into syngas, a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide. You’re transforming one hydrocarbon into another.
Electrolysis is a process in which high-voltage electricity is used to split the molecular bonds of water. Generating that power usually comes through means that aren’t environmentally friendly.
“Hey can you promote our car”
Say no more 💀
Oh I’ll promote it alright…promote it as being absolute Trashh! “ 😅😂😂💀
Lol someone probably paid him to make this talk poorly about it.
Hydrogen cars are not there yet for everyone. But they can be a valuable piece to the green energy puzzle in the future
@@jhtv5757 agreed and if the car need more space just make it larger that's all
@@krebituruthat’s…not how it works. 🤣
If you make it larger, then it’ll use more fuel therefore needing bigger tanks and then taking up more space.
Or diss our competitors car
For reference, there’s 130,000 public fast chargers in America. As of September 2022, there were 54 publicly accessible hydrogen refueling stations in the US, 53 of which were located in California, with one in Hawaii. 💀💀💀
convenient
Damn 💀
And on top of that, hydrogen is expensive and made with oil.
Give me a car please
Don't be a hater.. I rather get a hydrogen then electric.. Hopefully in a few years I will be ready, for now, I am enjoying my gasoline power car 😁😁😁😁😁.
Id probably buy a hydrogen car over an EV 😂
When he sat down the back seat, I started believed every word he said..
Needs more development
Its far a better clean option than EVs
And doesn't need child slave labor for cobalt and lithium
Sry that’s a deal breaker I’m pro child labor
@@SoulKingBK lmfaoo
@@SoulKingBKactually when you buy your electric vehicle there is a clause you sign off to in fine print that you could get sent to cobalt mines and life as a slave if you are not using the car correctly: I am the slave master there
No one tell him about phones laptops other normal car batteries double AA batteries and anything in between.
@@Richard-dz4pm the difference is the quantity. It was already a know problem before EV’s prevalence, but you need so much more to make a Tesla battery than a Samsung phone battery.
That's like mocking the first cellphone for being the size of a briefcase. It's awesome that we're exploring alternative fuels
People did mock them tho lol. It's ok not to like the early versions of a product.
This isn’t new. It’s the second generation and Honda has a second generation hydrogen fuel cell car as well. GM also ran a hydrogen program in the mid 00s. Toyota and Honda are the only manufactures that sell their hydrogen cars to the masses.
This is a rather unappealing first step, I just hope it doesn't fail for same reasons that the original electric cars from the early 20th century failed. We won't get better versions if nobody buys this one or nobody invests in the notoriously finicky hydrogen infrastructure.
he's mocking it going "it's much cleaner for the environment but that's about it" and thus, he has missed the entire point. I'd love one of those knowing it actually helps.
But in this era you honestly have so much resource you really shouldn’t drop anything until is figured out. this is going to take a hit they don’t need.
Hydrogen is a much worse green house gas than CO2. And since hydrogen is so volatile, a huge amount is lost during production, transport and storage. It’s horrible for the environment regarding climate and it’s also not cleaner than an EV since hydrogen production also takes more electricity than an EV uses for the same mile. It’s just nonsense and actually counterproductive.
Batteries are not saving the planet!!! Hello Mcfly!
'It makes a 182 horsepower, so its slow!'
*me on my way to work in 68 horsepower*
Aygo family, lesgoooo 😊
At least it's not a Trabant.
It can always be worse!
will 68 is differently better then the 43 HP that i got
68 hp in 2023 ? Plz tell me your ride is a motorcycle
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"Hydrogen powered c-"
**gets assassinated by CIA**
💀💀
Naw bro don’t worry. A huge corporation made it this time. They’ll be fine.
considering it's a rolling time bomb.
nah this would be a car powered by water
No, that would be the fossil fuel industry, considering that's where most hydrogen comes from (natural gas).
they will get better remember electric cars in the 90's that GM made. Once Hydrogen infrastructure is in place more R&D will go into those vehicles. If they made one on sequoia platform with bigger/more tanks it would be alot better option.
Bro was paid to kill the sales I see 😂.
Bro just ripped apart this car.
I like the tech just not the execution. Too much practicality taken away. Makes it significantly less competitive. I love the idea but most consumers could care less if it’s gas, electric, hydrogen, or fart powered. They just want it to make sense & this doesn’t in this current form.
@@forrestsautoreviewsofficial honesty the best policy. They gave you the car to review, not boast about it🤷🏽♂️ Make a better car, and you won’t get shitted on😂
@@forrestsautoreviewsofficial hydrogen is water right?? Btw love your stuff❤️
Nah... He jus told the TRUTH!!
@@forrestsautoreviewsofficial Same. I saw that you could barely fit in the car. I
Damn the back seats would make a 4' 11" person look like they're 6'9"
LOL
I’m 6’9”
@@Jerrwashh nice
@@Jerrwashh Me too😂
@@kid5042 nah I actually am tho
This vehicle should be mandatory for every environmentalist in America
Yeah it's useless now, but in 10 years you'll be like " yeah it's useless."
Benefits: zero emissions, more economic, and Toyota is offering the first 3 years fuel paid.
Cleans the air as you drive it. Electric cars don't do that
3 years?! The more your drive, the better it is then...
@@OM-bs7of as long as the government keeps burning coal for electricity. And Lithum mining is very harmful to humans and the environment
@@YansenHaryanto4547 I worked with a gal who had one. She loved it. Crazy to see how little room there is. But the free fuel thing is legit.
They’re only paying for the first three years because there’s no Hydrogen Stations anywhere 😂😂 unless you live in California, you’re pretty much screwed.
Yo this is a sign we are going the right way. Can't wait for that hydro-hellcat, fill it up with Fiji only
It spits out fiji
fiji is garbage you were sold propaganda
it would be better to run a car on CO2.
Tbh, I would rather them make cars like these than electric cars
@@DrDeuteron well, that's not possible, so hydrogen's still pretty good
Hydrogen is the next phase in the environmental market.
182 hp is enough to safely go on a highway. They are not trying to break speed records here, they are trying out alternative fuels.
“182hp, so it’s slow”
Me: **cries in 141hp V6 Firebird**
*takes own life in 110 HP 2019 Dodge Neon
Me wishing my 505 horsepower Quadrifoglio has the upgraded turbos to make 600
@@ANDREWSAMY562 LMAO
@@ANDREWSAMY562 wish my 1.1L 73hp Renault Clio had more power
My car is so slow the reading is in kilowatts
0 kids were killed mining cobalt for this car.
but the cruelty makes them faster
Facts
There is zero cobalt being used here. Most batteries are LFP, which is mostly iron and about 3-7% lithium.
The only things that still use colbalt are small lithium-ion batteries for smartphones.
Refining gasoline requires cobalt as a catalyst. yet nobody seemed to care about it. it only became a talking point when talking about EV's.
And as mentioned battery chemistries exist that don't use cobalt.
@@TheCountess666 ok well when you guys quit buying batteries from China that is using great road initiative to takeover Africa, then I'll believe you. Until then, hydrogen is the preferred non cruel and non Sino dependent solution.
Lol, hydrogen makes perfect sense! The design of the interior space is the bad part, also it doesn't have a normal transmission is a 1 speed like a cvt and what's the point of having a fast car if you go the speed limit anyways?
Electric will win out over hydrogen until electrolysis is essentially a byproduct of another energy source. Humanity is moving into interesting places....
He failed to mention you would get 845 miles between each fill. I’ll take one !
hyper miling tho , driving veery slow
You can't take one...don't have the money for it bud😂
@@barobaro1username checks out 🤡
@@xCr0nusyup
Hydrogen cost 7 dollars a gallon 💀
He left out the biggest downside: you have to live near a hydrogen fueling station. Last I checked was in southern California only.
Build your own electrolysis setup
@Mark would take too much time and won't be cost effective. Also, pressurizing hydrogen is difficult.
Bought a hydrogen car two years ago for under $2000, it was brand new. after driving it and needing fuel found out why it was so cheap. owner lived near me on the bottom side of SC, and the fuel station is located just under NC and driving back you have about 10 miles before having to drive back to fill up. been sitting in a garage using it as a hot box car for friends in NC.
Last I checked the US was only 4% of the world. Look at a modern country for a modern car instead.
@@Dahoon 🥱
I did a science project on hydrogen cars in 5th grade. Insane that they are taking the first steps to make it a consumer reality
I love hydrogen cars, I support them being the future
Hydrogen is still in its infancy, so I’m not expecting high quality super fast stuff yet.
Fuel cells were invented in the 1800's.
Those tanks cannot get smaller, they are already at 10,000 psi and only contain 5 kg of hydrogen.
Hydrogen cars have been studied since the 1970s
@@joshbridges8410 the money and time that gas and electric have had to advance has not been put into hydrogen yet.
@@joshbridges8410so where is the infrastructure then? If I'm not mistaken only a few such hydrogen stations are out there in the US might be California, if there would be more stations manufacturers would add smaller tanks. Because right now to get somewhere you need to fill full tank and to go back you need to do the same
@@01iverQueen hydrogen infrastructure is non existent because it cost a LOT of money to put up a hydrogen fuel station and maintain it to serve not a lot of people. Instead of spending $1.5 million to put up a single hydrogen station, why not put 30 level 3 EV fast chargers instead?
It's a start in the right direction. I'm down with it.
Watch all the videos of these type of cars exploding at the "pump", while driving down the road and tell me you still want one.
Exactly.. at first electric was dumb. Technology evolves
This technology is very promising, it just needs work. I don't imagine the comparison with the first gen of EV was very favorable either.
still makes more sense than EV for road trips
How? There are like a few dozen hydrogen gas stations and they're all in California.
Yeah, you can easily road trip between the two states with hydrogen stations. 53 total in the country, with 52 in California and the 53rd in Hawaii. Have fun with that road trip 😂😂😂
@@xipalips does it make more sense to you if i replace “sense” with “practical. You’re arguing semantics
@@juliancampelll The fact it costs over 40x as much to install 1 station as it does to install 1 supercharger makes it extremely less practical, you're literally never going to be able to see as many out there as you can find chargers. Going to a remote cabin for a week? Literally plug into a basic 120v. Plus I don't see how you're getting around the cold issue given that these stations have to store hydrogen at -400F, meanwhile EV's still have obvious room to grow with charging speed optimization by upping voltage.
@@xipalips a small price to pay considering all the money we waste anyways. If you can lose 2 trillion dollars in iraq and Afghanistan, i think we can figure this one out
It’s an experimental model. Early adopters will pay the price and get all the cons.
It will evolve, as hybrid and electric vehicles did.
That Mirai is the 2nd generation Mirai. It's not a concept car anymore. No one is buying hydrogen cars since the price per kilo jumped up to $29 from $16 just a few years ago. Imagine paying $145 just for 400 miles in range.
like the electric vehicles did? Don't say that!! im hopeing that one day they will improve the EV with the ability to fully charge from absolute 0 to 100 percent in 3 to 5 minutes and offers a range of atleast 500 miles and for under 50 thousand dollars so i can buy one! For now i have the full size luxurious Jaguar XJl which i fully fuel up (once a month)and takes me 3 to 5 minutes. range 570 miles and i got it used with 18,000 miles on it at 41,000 dollars, paid off. I hope the next generation EV will have these fine qualities and improvements. infact the good people at Tesla in Philadelphia Pennsylvania told me quote, "Have patience because that day is coming." Ok then I'll waite.....
@@carlsmith5545idk man synthetic fuel sounds better cuz EVs pollute more. Digging up the earth with the machinery that consumes more gas than an entire fucking city. Plus, this could be a terrorist's dream because you can have an entire lane of EVs waiting at an intersection and boom! If one explodes the others explode too and there's no way to stop the fire. Synthetic fuel is made by binding carbon and hydrogen atoms in order to make the fuel mixture, and carbon is sourced from CO2. So yeah no digging here.
It should evolve into a hummer type vehicle, because it needs room to store those tanks and room for more power.
@@carlsmith5545My car takes 30 seconds a day to charge when I get home from work and range is not a concern for 95% of real world use
The problem is people will see this and just give up on the idea rather than trying to improve it.
Agreed
I do think that hydrogen powered cars do satisfy both fields, they are clean, they don’t have a giant battery full of lithium that one imperfection will fry you like bread in a toaster. This would work well in a body style of a truck where there is more room to implement these hydrogen tanks but I do not think that a car is suitable for the amount they want to fit in, if they wish to make less space on the interior I am sure they can come up with something by reshaping the tanks to be more adaptive to the space needed inside the car. Gas has been our go to for many, many years but if we are to be forced to change I’d rather hydrogen power over an ev in the longrun. Hydrogen power can be improved in cars as a fuel and I am completely on board with not having the car be 2x heavier because of a huge cobalt and lithium battery.
@@theblue_hatter4829yeah, instead they have ultra high pressure tanks all around you.
They are also closer to 40-60% efficient in reality. Hydrogen generation is not an efficient process. Storing and transporting it is never going to improve. You can't reshape the tanks. The pressures are so high they can only be spheres or cylinders.
FYI the rate of EV fires is lower than that of combustion vehicle fires.
Also, Tesla and others are using lithium iron phosphate batteries (no cobalt, and no nickel).
@@theblue_hatter4829Also... Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles... are electric. They use hydrogen to generate electricity. it's actually an electric motor moving the car.... Furthermore, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles ALSO have batteries, albeit smaller than an exclusively electric vehicle, but still contain those scawey elements you're so concerned about.
@@theblue_hatter4829 instead they have ultra high pressure tanks all around you.
They are also closer to 60% efficient in reality. Hydrogen generation is not an efficient process. Storing and transporting it is never going to improve. You can't reshape the tanks. The pressures are so high they can only be spheres or cylinders.
FYI the rate of EV fires is lower than that of combustion vehicle fires.
Also, Tesla and others are using lithium iron phosphate batteries (no cobalt, and no nickel).
These are the same arguments we got for EV. If green hydrogen is indeed sustainable, we need more research on them.
That's why limited energy sources are a problem with fuels and batteries. This is why we need an unlimited self-sufficient energy sources that power our vehicles and electronics
You get like 800-1000 miles in between fill-ups. I think I'd wait 3-5 minutes for that ...................
if you can find a fill-up lmao
@@aviateeditsthat’s true but not a reason to say I don’t buy a hydrogen car
If more people buy one, more gas stations will give you hydrogen it’s the same as with the electric cars
But hydrogen cars are way more climate friendly, so they should be the option you chose when you buy a car
@@HeinrichDerGrosse1298no they aren't 😂 hydrogen either comes from stripping fossil fuels of hydrogen or electrolysis of water. From the grid to producing hydrogen gas hydrogen is already less efficient than an electric car going from grid to torque, never mind shipping, storing, pumping the hydrogen and converting it into torque.
@aviateedits The fill up stations are coming... You cam trust that
What are you smoking it's EPA rated 402 miles with a real world range of 300ish miles
Dude was hired by the govt to deter people from actual clean emissions
Are you actually suggesting hydrogen emissions are not clean?
Govt pushing EV, which has to be charged at station. The electricity charging it is probably from COAL!
All the criticism is valid tho, and they could make the car better
@@kplayzxp2376 exactly they could make the car better with time to improve but that guy just shat on the car like it will stay that way forever
@@kplayzxp2376 lol its the first one.. I'm sure they will
@@ogkennyp2393 my comment to me when you are agreeing with me
Toyota is trying somthing new because EV vehicles are very impractical. The child labor used to mine resources in Africa are only one reason to not like them. Not to mention they go through tires like they are free and you guessed it tires are made of ... Crude oil . Also whenever your battery does inevitability die it will ve a 7k-10k repair and the battery can not be recycled leading to more pollution from lithium ion batteries sitting in scrap yards that take 1000s of years to degrade. On a normal gas car 99% of it besides its small lead based battery are recyclable and the tires. I get the idea of electrical vehicles being good while they are working. But lets face it our electrical grid cant handle the energy draw now and its like 1\10 vehicles on the road or less . We dont have the infrastructure also dont have a clean way to mine or recycle lithium . Until different battery technology us discovered and scaled up to a cars size EV'S MAKE ZERO SENSE especially if you care about the environment or child labor. Thank you for listening to my rant about EV
• No child labor is necessary to build EVs. Sourcing and material requirements have changed a lot in the recent years.
• EVs use tires about ~20% faster on average, but they go through brake parts extremely slowly and do not require regular oil changes. The overall maintenance impact is far smaller.
• EV batteries are almost completely recyclable. It's a complete myth that they aren't. Look up lithium battery recycling.
• Depending on your country, a full transition only requires about 5% more energy. The US did something similar when transitioning to air conditioners in houses, and it somehow worked out.
• There's no clean way to mine for any of the materials used in any car. Cars are obviously not a clean thing to begin with, and the main focus should be on public transport and walkable/cycleable urban design. But many people still need cars, and EVs are easily cleaner than internal combustion engine cars.
@@logitech4873 must be nice believing everything big corporations run by the CCP tell you. Only if I could be so naive. There has been multiple independent journalist cover this topic as well just look up lithium mining in Africa yes they are owned by the Chinese yes they use child slaves this is not something that's super obscure, no this is a massive problem . Why are you trying to defend it either? They don't care about you just your money fool
It's actually not cleaner thsn an EV, it takes more electricity to extract the hydrogen than it does to charge a battery lmao
I hope my country reaches such a living standard that we can say "Pff, only 180hp? That's slow." You'd be lucky to have a Golf with 100hp
americans have heavy cars. this is also a heavy car. this 180hp toyota will be about as fast as a 100hp golf.
which is fine if you ask me, americans spend all day in traffic anyway, 0-60mph time never matters if your entire daily commute is spent at an average speed of 5mph
the thing is it has alot of weight from the h2 cell, tanks, battery, motor, and electrical 😅
h2 cells are the worst hybrid possible for being expensive, inefficient, unreliable, complex. and I'm sure any measure of failure 😂
I guarantee you an old golf that only makes 100hp or less is a much more fun driving experience than this thing. New cars are so heavy, older cars are where it’s at for sure. They often have much lighter chassis and don’t have as many electronics which makes for a very rewarding drive.
@@alnoso only Americans in big cities are in traffic. I regularly travel state to state, the highways are empty and very well made (for the most part), you can go fast as hell lol
@@kevinb7551 How do you even know that? BEVs are heavy and expensive, too. The rest are just bold claims about an emerging technology called hydrogen EVs. If you see the big picture, you see affordable electricity in a fair competition between EVs and normals cars.
"182 so it's slow" me with 155 hp 😢
Yea fr ,I think its pretty decent
More than my accord
Does your 155 hp car weigh 4,300 lbs? Because the Mirai does.
Me being happy with my 72hp
@@urielchami4556 mirage?
I agree on all counts. But in 50 years "It's cleaner" will hit different.
Same with the first EVs.
The only difference is they are taking care in making them look good and functional. Instead of just functional.
Another 10 years and these cars will replace EVs.
No it wont. In 10 years, battery tech will replace ice. Cant change hydrogen chemistry.
Y’all I have to stop at a hydrogen station real quick, my car is out of air
unless ya have a big hydrolyzer / hydrogen gas machine in the garage,
and/ or back yard, there's nowhere to
fill up.
If we fill the tanks woth air it might be more efficient
We only got like 5 hydrogen stations in the whole of USA good luck 😂
@@driver4011used to be the same for electric cars
its a CALI thing.
its not gonna take off.
i like to think of it as a pilot program for alternative energy.
1) regular gas ... ironically no longer as common, Ethanol Free
2) the actual common gas E10, it has around10% corn ethanol
3) E85, 85% ethanol
4) battery vehicle
4a) plug in hybrid (PHEV)
4b) non plug hybrid (HEV)
4c) full batter (BEV)
5) hydrogen
now with all these options its just part of the greater trend to lower fossil fuels.
charging stations for hydrogen is only in cali, so apparently its not taking for a reason. (i dont know much cuz i only saw this clip and did minimal research on Hydrogen)
battery power is cool but has limitations.
most of which are improving like distance and more electricty with less weight but they gotta do other stuff which i gotta read more on before commenting. like shifting from Lithium mixes to some other mixes.
personally i like non plug hyrbids
cuz GAS IS KING in my opinion yet for certain parts of the drive, battery would be king.
1) slow driving,
2) inner city driving
3) fast food lanes
4) curbing other points in a the gas drive where gas is less efficient
to me Gas is better for LONG distance like freight vehicles and towing but just commuter vehicles and passenger cars battery can better shine.
so for the common man, non plug hybrids would be best since they dont have to pay for charging stations in addition to the higher cost of battery powertrains.
once charging stations are more common and battery vehicles get cheaper then id say Plug in Hybrids and full battery vehicles would be better.
but maybe for inner cities, make the battery a LOT cheaper for them.
i know there was a bill passed by biden so we'll see.where it goes from here.
long story short, hydrogen is just another option of powering a car that if cheaper could make fleet taxis work in New York, maybe.... i guess.
we just need cheaper batteries and a way to recycle them. until then Gas is king.
but i still support going green.. just be sensible about it.
Give em a few years. 182hp is adequate for the average driver.
It's adequate for more than the average driver. I've owned cars with two digit HP numbers ans people everywhere worh V8 trucks ans SUV's holding me up. Most just drove around lkke mindless zombines, usually on their phone. They're better off worh less than 150hp.
Good luck entering the freeway on a short ramp
@@yruhatin100 I've seen people with more than adequate HP ruin the flow of traffic. It's their driving habits. Not the car 9 times out of 10.
@@yruhatin100 downshift much?
TOTALLY!! Reviewer is a fast flowing fountain of douche dribble
Yo just so you know electric cars started off almost the same give it a solid 10, 15 years we could get lighter and more powerful hydrogen cars
Most car people like the combustion engine, this is a way to save the engine, you know like the V8's, V10's and V12's we all love.
This is the way if you want real car sounds and not that fake emulation rubbish.
That back seat head room was horrendous. What are they thinking smh
They're Japanese bro, Japanese people aren't big people like a lot of us Americans. Both height (I got) and width (I don't got 😂)
Umm... Mostly cuz he is huge. We Asians ain't huge lol 😆.
@@kunjupulla not all 🙂
@@daMillenialTrucker its not right hand drive, this is obviously not made for the japanese market.
@@jtjoemamma you calling me a liar?
Fuel cell makes total sense. Currently the Japanese government and Toyota are working hand-in-hand to build a hydrogen infrastructure in Japan. They are also lobbying the UN to slow the forced adoption of electric vehicles because they believe hydrogen is and will be the future. I agree with Toyota completely and I will adopt a hydrogen vehicle before I ever invest into an EV.
Imagine a car crash.. Kaboooom..
@@maquindesign9158 that might’ve been the case years ago, but Toyota has reinforced the hydrogen tanks to prevent such events. It’s the same story with tankers one crash and kaboom. It’s not unique to hydrogen or fuel. Any contents under pressure have the same effect.
no signs of an hydrogen infrastructure being built in the rest of the world though...EV has a big headstart in chargg'ing infrastructure vs hydrogen infrastructure 50k charging stations vs 50 hydrogen pumps in the US. Bev also almost twice as efficient from the grid to the wheels (making hydrogen takes energy) and hydrogen ev such as the Mirai are vastly inferior to Bev like model 3
doesn't look good for hydrogen only advantage is fueling in 5 minutes vs 20mn for quickest charging EVs but even that is changing and EVs can charge at home unlike hydrogen cars
Same dude. EV's are overhyped. Until they can mass produce long life batteries and we stop burning fossil fuels to power the grid that charges the EV's, I really don't see a compelling value proposition.
Yeah, why buy an EV when you can drive hydrogen that takes 4 times the amount of installed solar and wind to go the same distance. Japan is doing it because they currently import 100% of their transportation fuel. They plan on switching most of that to importing liquid hydrogen shipped from Australia.
Actually seems like a smarter play than our current stance of EV being the future. You have the allow the tech to catch up. It takes 3-5 minutes to defrost and an addition 3-5 to fill up. It takes EV’s 30 minutes + to charge and in the cold you lose range…. Pick a struggle. Nor can our power grid accept a mass adoption of EV’s. Ask California
I wouldn't consider one right now as there's no hydrogen stations in Austin, TX.
Extra points for keeping the same energy, even though the car is suspect..
Nah I’m sure they thought of some way to prevent the hydrogen from cooking off like a t64 tank after a major accident
How is the 180hp a downside?! It's a zero emissions vehicle, not a performance supercar.
For a 2+ ton car that’s not much
You can even see how slow it is on that pathetic launch
TOYOTAPRIUS red 0 1$💵🤑💵💵
It’s like the engineers took inspiration from the Hindenburg
It don't randomly catch on fire like EV's!!
Building a body that accually fits the system would have made better sense. No real thought put into hydrogen after failing so miserably with electric power.
It’s the 1st gen my boy, give them some time to workout the kinks I am sure they will get better with time
no. Launched 9 years ago.
Tbh I'd say fk it and either remove the trunk or back seat.
@@maxsolo2652 yeah and fuel cars were made a hundred years ago. Same with electric.
The problem with hydrogen is volumetric density, which is 20% of diesel. On the other hand, gravimetric density is 3 times higher, making it much lighter than petrol or batteries.
@@maxsolo2652 and to my knowledge there hasnt been another gen since lol
Besides the lack of infrastructure, hydrogen fuel cells make a lot more sense for things like trucks and heavy equipment. The fuel weighs less, the refueling is just as fast as ICE and it's probably quite durable
The weight of the fuel won't matter if it doesn't have the power.
@@cameronbartlett856 Power shmower long as it can move. Ever heard of a train?
@@cameronbartlett856 Power is easily scalable with current fuel-cell technology
And they can have some power behind them, I mean, is really bad to have a mid-size sedan which has ~180hp and 300NM of torque?
@@Sebastian-yl7nq my point exactly, this is an economy car not a sports sedan.
Hydrogen hybrids could make sense for heavy vehicles, like a fuel cell for steady state loads and a hydrogen fired ICE for peak power demands, but you just trade very heavy batteries for very large hydrogen tanks so I don't think it's ideal. Plus, hydrogen takes a lot of electricity to make, so why not just use that electricity directly instead of converting it to Hydrogen and then back to electricity. Hydrogen is also notoriously hard to store and move around on account of how tiny the molecule is. Diesel-battery-electric is likely to be the future of heavy equipment.
how did I go from watching the og "eww brutha" to this
Plus it literally cannot be refueled outside of California and 2 other states at best, meaning that no one outside of that can operate it.
Yes it can. Look up a map of hydrogen filling stations.
@@logitech4873 The only recharge stations in the us is in california. I would only have one tank of fuel since I do not live there. Not a very practical purchase.
@@TheStickCollector You said there was nothing outside of California. I see plenty in Europe. In my opinion, Europe is outside of California.
Maybe you should have checked.
@@logitech4873 Apparently my implication wasn't good enough. Since I am in in the us that still means I would have to go there unless I visit abroad and rent one.
Americans just can't live without a 300hp car
Got places to go man.
We can, however if you’re paying $30K and more for a car then you’re gonna wanna get all you can with it. Imagine spending $50K on a Toyota that has low acceleration and isn’t fun to drive
maybe yes but spending 50 grand on a car that doesnt even push out that much is outrageous
They need a 300hp car to drive 5 miles in 3 hours of bumper to bumper traffic LOL
@V8 Diva still don't need 300hp go every place.
This is the way to go honestly. That’s a HUGE positive
Toyota has been working on this tech for decades and only have this to show for.
@@jpizel1070rome wasn’t built in a day
@@jpizel1070could’ve taken a century it’s still a checkpoint they’ve reached in the auto world
@@jpizel107020 years ago electric cars weren't anything special. It's not ready yet but it's getting there.
huge negative. its like a long prius 🤣
I love gas/diesel powered vehicles! If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!!
Toyota has been trying to make Hydrogen cars thing for LONG time ( in car world terms ) , i believe even before Tesla motors was a thing so of the haven't figured out packaging yet ( they are the literal kings of lean manufacturing) they never will. DOA
Just make it into an SUV. Problem solved
For the money you would charge for it, you could get a BMW or an Audi for a similar price.
BMW is making a X5 hydrogen. It's almost finished.
But as long as there are almost no fuel stations for hydrogen, this doesn't make sense. otherwise I would directly buy one
@@baustronaut1390 hey you should check out engineering explained's videos about hydrogen cars before buying
If you turn it into an a suv it’ll require more thank 3 tanks of hydrogen fuel
@@Koeteg
There are SUVs with Sedan Chassis and hp
182 hp is nice.
Yeah, my S10 has 120.
Lmao. Was about to say the same thing.
I think we'll have nuclear batteries for our EVs in the future. Never have to charge.
They said in the beginning, “the aeroplane is no sense” but we are laughing when someone tell it now 😂