experiMENTAL 2023 Ibis DV9 with Bamboo Bars, a 1 Gallon Water Bottle, and Affordable Carbon Rims
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2023
- Today we get experiMENTAL on the 2023 Ibis DV9 and feature four new products for review: Passchier bamboo bars, Crank Tank 1 Gal water tank, Elite Carbon wheels, and Wahoo's new Elemnt Roam 2 computer. My main riding buddy Cody and I have a goal to ride all 800 miles of the Arizona Trail. In order to get ready for a 110 mile section, I decided to get experiMENTAL on this bike and add some cool parts I have in for review. For more info on each, click the corresponding link:
Passchier Gump 760 Bamboo Bars: bit.ly/3E0MPsh
Crank Tank 4 and 3L Water Storage Tanks - 12% off using code "hardtailparty": bit.ly/45bd0YA
Elite Wheels Carbon Gnar Trail 29 (use coupon code "HARDTAILPARTY" for 15% off) here: bit.ly/3ODlm5P
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The crank tank needs a baffle on the inside to keep the sloshing down. If you think about a tanker on the freeway, those huge tanks have multiple baffles that help reduce liquids ability to slosh around and cause instability. Ill definitely be picking one of those up for my own bike packing trips. What a game changer!
I was just about to write a comment about that. I just thought how much noise a half tank will make just splooshing around.
@@a8f235 Interesting idea about the baffle. Using it, the sloshing didn't make enough noise for me to notice it. A lot of people worry about sloshing before they use it, so I tried to pay special attention to the sloshing. For 95% of the ride I couldn't tell. I can't hear sloshing with regular water bottles either. Granted, I don't have amazing hearing anymore.
I wonder if a baffle would significantly raise the cost or make it tough to clean. Really interesting idea though. It surprised me how it didn't feel like a gallon of water when I was riding. I think the triangle shape and non parallel walls made it slosh less than if it were a cylinder or cube.
that would make it harder to clean
@@harrie205 if they designed it this well to begin with, im sure they could find an easy way to let us take it apart to clean it if they added a baffle.
@@MTB_CRZY there is simply no need for baffles. its not a truck, its not a combustibal fuid, its not a large enough mass percentage regarding the whole system and the intended use isnt that rowdy.
plus it would add complexety cost ...
just because theres a phenomenon that causes problems in some use cases(like semi trailer tankers) does not mean that its a problemfor every use cases(like oversized waterbottles)
ps if its about the noise, they sell a neoprene cover which would hep with that
Bamboo bars.. Steve, you party animal.
For bikepacking I too like to protect my frame with old inner tubes. However, I cut mine into strips, and wrap it tight around the frame, and then secure it with black electrical tape. The key is to just wrap the tape around the rubber inner tube. That way you get no residue on the frame.
Would you consider the corner bars for bike packing?
Loving the earth tones on this build
I love these kind of bikepacking/experimental content, I found all the recommendations you give on these kind of videos to be golden 💪👌
Awesome, thank you!
That hub. Five seconds of test spin and it drove me nutz.
Definitely MENTAL with this one 😅bamboo bars? Very cool! And that Crank Tank is wild... makes the bike look very "moto." I am surprised to hear those bars didn't smooth out the trail chatter as much as you'd like.
Very good review. Thanks
Those bamboo handlebars are amazing looking!
Hello Steve,
I’m from Germany. I really like your videos 😊
Can you in any chance, test out the Radon Cragger? It’s a aggressive hardtail with some thin seat stays, which look like they can absorb some vibration! Would be really nice if you could do it 😊❤
Ergon GA3 (large) user here - they definitely made a big difference reducing my wrist pain. I can see how the wings could get in the way, but they haven't been a problem for me so far; I'd say I'm at an advanced beginner to intermediate skill level though, so maybe that will change as I progress and tackle bigger features.
As a side note, I hate those bar plugs all of the Ergon grips ship with; they might be functional but they get scraped, dirty, and just generally ratty very quickly. Turns out the Wolftooth bar plugs fit in the ergon grip ends pretty much perfectly though, and look much better.
I wonder if the soft bars make you subconsciously grip harder. I've found that staying loose on the bike is important for comfort.
Have you tried riding the Dv9 with 2.8 tires?
Ok hear me out. I rode a banchee amp on hole in the Fence in San Clemente and it was honestly super fun. But I could feel the steep head tube on a lot of sections. But what if I ran a mullet… 27.5 front and a angle head set… slacked it up. What do you think just for the ultimate fun bike
Have you tried the Ritchey Kyote bar? I loved it on my singlespeed. 35mm rise, 27.5 degree sweep, 800mm wide. The forward sweep was pronounced enough that you were on nearly the same steering plane as a standard bar. Fair warning… they’re ugly, but super comfortable.
Does that chain lube leave a film that gets all over your skin if you touch the chain later? That was my problem with the Wolftooth lube-worked great, lasted a long time for bikepacking trips. But, would get on anything that touched he chain-and doesn't wash off easily.
Nice video Steve! You could just use a little tube on that CrankTank with the straw cap and as long as it is primed, use it to siphon water out to fill your bottles. Cheers!
Would love one of those cranktanks, but shipping from down under is so expensive! Hopefully they get a US distributor soon!
The sore wrists could have been from the constant micro-movements of your wrists moving inward and outward as the bar was flexing up and down. These bars are most likely better suited for a more level and less rocky terrain.
i hear those cicadas loud and clear. makes me miss AZ summers (for some crazy reason)
Got elite wheels on my gravel bike. They are an amazing value.
I've tried running egg beaters or derivatives several times in lieu of SPD's. I keep trying because the mechanism looks so much simpler and durable. I like simple.
But the thing that gets me every time (and I can't be the only one because I have 11.5 feet - not crazy big), is that I run my cleat all the way back and inboard, and my back foot toe hits the crank arm at the 3 or 9 o'clock positions before I reach enough rotation to release. This is with their "easier to release" cleats. I've had a couple wipes that were way more mangy than they needed to be because I couldn't get out. Running cleat more outboard helps a little. Moving cleat forward is off the table because if that's what I have to do to run Crank Bros, I'll run a different brand instead.
MY clip pedal criteria list in order of importance:
1. Release: must be fast and intuitive - dependable - consistent (winner- SPD)
2. Entry: Quick, "no look" positioning, haptic feedback that you're "in" (Tie)
3. Retention and cleat re-centering on big hits rough conditions - (winner - Egg B's)
4. Comfort: Support, stability while retaining some float - knee issues like float (Tie)
Your results will vary. This is me, only.
I still prefer clips over flats on challenging trails. I never think, "Where is my foot?!?" when riding clipped, and freeing up limited brain capacity is something appreciated when things are getting rowdy. The wide platform of my Saint SPD's and a more skate oriented (read: wide) shoe is as stable as any Crank Bros system. Although I think Saints are heavier.
All this being said, I think I'll give Eggs another chance at some point. I just have too much appreciation for the elegantly simple design. That, and I ride in PNW, and EB's are good in the slop.
What water bottle cage does this bike have at the beginning of the video?
Just subscribing today so am sure this is after your ride already: Nice out-of-the-box thinking about protecting the frame from that H2O tank. I didn't see how you drink from that tank; do you have to take it off every time or can you insert a tube that you can pull up to drink from?
For those that prefer Camelback-type packs for water: Most ppl don't know how to wear backpacks properly. You bend over at the waist - cinch the waist band tight around your hips then stand up - your center, the hips, carry the weight. Now, tighten the shoulder straps to where you need them; tight for sketchy technical sections or cold weather for warmth and loose so that the pack leans completely off the body for maximum ventilation. Shoulder straps work best for smaller lightweight packs. The larger the pack able to carry more weight is the thicker add more comfortable waistband you want. Cheers.
You can use plastic tubing and siphon water into a water bottle.
The extra flex changes your wrist position making your hands/joints sore on rough trails. if youre bike packing on smoothish fire roads they are ok.
I actually put extra back sweep on my flat aluminum bar with a conduit bender to experiment and worked really well in comfort and control
Did the same thing. I was surprised how hard it was to bend Spank Spoon bars and very thankful that they came out symmetrical.
@@JustSnowglow very hard . I was surprised to . I guess they are built strong .
i would really appreciate it if you could make a review of the rose pdq. i think it fits your channel perfectly. and big thanks 4 your great reviews - love them! :-)
I've reached out to rose, but I haven't heard back from them. It's been several months.
Hey Steve, do you think the crank tank will fit in hardtails that have external dropper post cable that enters the seat tube, like for instance the paradox? Thanks!!
Great question. I can't guarantee it, but I'm betting it will.
Yeah bikepacking is tough on carbon seemingly no matter what you do. My cutthroat is looking pretty rough despite trying to cover it in helicopter tape
A lot of people in the UK think duct tape and gaffer tape are the same thing but you're completely right. Gaffer tape is designed for use on film sets where you don't want to have to re-paint the set every time you change angle.
Gaffer tape is incredible. I use it for so many things.
what about kona unit review?? will appriciate it
Still waiting for your review of the DaBomb Sentinel. 😊
Haven’t had much luck with Elite Wheels. First ride stripped the hub, and about a month later I cracked the rear wheel.
Sad to hear that. I ended up cracking this wheel too on another ride..it's too bad, cuz they have some great specs on paper.
@@hardtailparty Loved the video. Any update on the elite wheels? I’ve been eying these for a while and was curious if they took care of you after cracking a rim.
I’ve been looking at these bars. Traditional shapes kill my wrists, all my bikes have between 11 and 20 degrees sweep.
Hardtail party.
Passchier do a less backsweep and more mtb bike bar that they call the Scout which comes in 760mm it has about a 10mm rise from memory.
It solves the funny steering issue you have with the backsweep coming back so far.
I absolutely love how it absorbs the large hits when riding over chunk.
But your totally right. Tires are your first and best place to address hand fatiguing vibration
I'll have to check those out sometime.
What do you think about RevGrips? I ride a Banshee Paradox with Carbon One up handle bars, a pretty compliant setup. Hand fatigue was still a problem until I got the RevGrips.
I don't have the bike control I need with rev grips.. bunnyhops and manuals aren't as easy with the way they twist. Maybe I need to try them again...
A valve at the bottom would be a huge improvement in the tank. I would never want a straw. If I wanted a straw id use a camelback
7 months later, curious how much more you've gotten to ride this? Have your initial thoughts only gotten more positive on this bike? Being a pretty low BB curious if you have experimented with crank lengths?
It's funny I had the opposite feeling than you switching from crankbrother mallet-e to Shimano. The issue I have with CB is not spring adjustment so once you're pedal are break in a lot (2 season) the loose feeling is so bad.
Also I had Elitewheel for 1 season and the bladed spoke started creaking like crazy. Elitewheels only suggested to me to put grease in between the cross section of the spoke which is not a real fix... bad service in my opinion
The brass cleats in crank bros need to be replaced far more often than an SPD cleat. That's definitely a downside. When they stop holding in, you need new cleats. For most people this is once a season. While SPD cleats last me 3+ seasons.
Love those bars! Water tank.....eh👍
I wonder if some carbon fiber reinforcement might allow for a modern bar shape for more aggressive riders... Like Celilo?
Good question! They essentially make plywood out of bamboo for these, so they're not just straight bamboo. I sure hope there's a way to make the shape more modern because I see a lot of potential
Are these bars strong enough to ride easy trails with a few step downs?
I feel those bars might suit better on a commuter bike, and not really for anything heavier than light gravel roads. Would make more sense if they had the exact same shape as normal MTB bars so that it would simply be a swop without any modifications.
That's what a lot of people feel before trying them, but I was surprised how well they worked on the 150 miles of trails I've had them on. Only big issue was the shape for me.
Handlebar companies should
use the hammer anti vibration technology,
it’s a tuning fork that takes the vibration,
instead of passing it to the hands.
Imagine a tuning fork inside the handle bars.😮
Sounds like a very cool idea.
How are ya liking the wicked will? Will we see more tire videos talking about the newer stuff you have tested?
The wicked will is ok, but I much prefer the specialized ground control. After 200 miles on this tire, the knobs started chunking off.
Don’t care for it, it seems to lack traction compared to tires with less knobs. Switched out for a Rekon and I’m never going back
Steve. If you don't have a video on it already.. I would love to see you experiment with a range of handlebars on the same set up. For example if you compared the SQLab 12 and 16 degree (carbon and AL) backsweep bars to the Passchier, and the One up carbon bars. The baseline standard could be the M6. All claim dampening and compliance to aid in fatigue, specifically for us older riders that enjoy the long day in the saddle of a hardtail. I've always wanted to try longer backsweep bars but it gets costly real quick to just "try something".
I've reached out to sqlabs many times for this exact concept. Sadly I haven't been able to get any in. It's definitely a video that's on my radar though.
I think a problem with taking anything from this experiment-a lot of people will have completely different experience on different backsweeps. WE all have different angles that will feel good to us. I like the sqlabs 16 degree bar on my full suspension and a 25 degree sweep mone bar on my rigid bikepacking. While friends I let borrow, hate the sweep. It's uncomfortable to them.
I’m using the Sq lab 16° carbon fl-x bar and Steve is correct about the stem length. I’m using a 75mm stem with Sq Lab whereas on my other bikes having normal straight bars (low backsweep) use a 35mm stem. The Sq Lab is great for long, hard xc riding with constant pedaling, mile muncher rides, big efforts. The hand position is especially helpful if you ever get numbness or tingling fingers when you ride. I even think high speed and rough cornering is improved a bit with the 16° backsweep because you get so much less fatigue in you wrists and forearms as the bar’s really straighten you out here. However, If lower speed, tricky rock gardens and tech climbs or bike trials type rides are your thing stick to a normal backsweep. Normal bars seem to give a slightly quicker steering and balance when the terrain gets super technical and scary.
@hardtailparty been running a set of the 12 degree bars in my bike for the past year to try and combat some severe elbow pain, I think they helped but I kinda wish I’d gone more extreme and ordered the 16 degree. They do help on the long grinds and I have not really noticed anything detrimental on the tech or aggressive bits. Let me know if you want to try them out and we can figure something out.
Very interesting! Not for me , the bar or “ water tank “ but still a very cool experiment video.
i have to say i love my crankbrothers candy pedals. no float, plenty light just 50 bucks, and bright pink because why not
Bright pink is only for safety reasons, of course, safety first 👍
I switched years ago from Crank Bros eggbeater to candy now riding HT T1. I think the candy might still be my all time favorite. Would love to try the mallet.
@@LaurentiusTriarius crashed yesterday and twisted a shifter so i had to replace my bar tape with extra safe, extra visible pink tape
Great video, that crank tank is so sick. Not sure if you know but your microphone is peaking alot.
Thanks, I know. I've got a messed up mic and I didn't realize which one it was till months after I filmed a few videos.
What’s a comparable bike to the DV9 that is not carbon?
Bamboo bars? Forget that. That’s insane.
They're not intended for freeride or big air, but for gravel, xc, and touring, I think they make a lot of sense.
The soft handlebars are like the stuff I had in the 1990's but today they come back to their original shape 😅
Butter bars!
Please Review Trek Marlin 6 Gen 3.
I'm really only interested in reviewing bikes with thru axles.
elite carbon wheels for $800??? Is that for both wheels built up?
Yes. Insane value.
Coming from motorcycles... If the goal is to dampen as much of the fatiguing bzzz-bzzz-bzz as is possible, you need bar end weights.
Has anyone tried that before?
Here’s a novel idea for the bike tire industry… Offer a trial period with the option to return for a different style (in your brand) if they didn’t work out.
Or at least they could have demo events where you can swap wheels back and forth on the same track to see how each one feels.
Please tell me lifting a Mazda Miata was just an example and isn't really a thing!?
In this day and age, everything is a thing.
Uhm... Cannondale Habit??? Just asking...
These things take time, I don't want to rush them.