Optimal Tire Ballast?? How To Add Rim Guard to Compact Tractors
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- Rim Guard Beet Juice is the optimal tire ballast for compact tractors! It overcomes the drawbacks of other options like calcium chloride. Tractor Time with Tim has the rear tires of the Deere 1025R, 2038R and 5075e filled!
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You couldn't have asked for a better tech to come out and do this! He was perfectly at ease in front of camera. Explaining everything so nicely, not all people are at ease, or willing to talk to you as if nobody was recording!!! Good video Tim!
You are right. However, we can usually get folks to relax and not worry about the camera.
I hope you tipped him well for taking the time to be such a good source of info and participant during his busy day
Uh, yea. He was well paid.
Jason is a professional, great job. Thanks for the video, this helped a lot.
Had mine filled when I bought the tractor and I'm glad I did.
Great video. I had RimGuard in my 4 series Deere, and It made a huge difference in the capability of the tractor. As you mentioned, I still liked doing heavy loader work with a rear attachment to offload the front axle.
You always make it so interesting to learn about different aspects of tractor ownership & use so interesting and entertaining!
I've been putting off getting Rim Guard in my tractor tires due to the transportation needs to get it to the dealer. Knowing you can get someone to come to your place is a game changer!
i keep reading about game changers,,,,and no one ever mentions the game,,,,what game are you talking about??
“It’s what works well for us”... I was thinking that this may not work well for me as you said that Tim. Great video as always... always look forward to them! 😊
I am the only person I know of that uses Rim Guard in the front tires of my 1025 R I find that it helps with keeping them properly inflated. Been doing this for 5 years and the front tires never lose pressure. I don't do it for the weight, only the benefit that I worry less about front tire underinflation.
Hey Tim...I just got a air ride seat installed on my 1025r...works great so far. Thanks for sharing...
A good thing to reiterate as he kind of glossed over it is that once Rim Guard in in there, you have to check the pressure with the valve @ 12 o'clock.
Good work and an interesting video. You converted me on one of your earlier videos to Rimguard and I find this ballast solution to be very effective. As you mentioned, the weight is as low as possible. My first go with Rimguard was on a set of HDAP tires used for plowing snow with a loader mounted blade. I filled the fronts to provide as much steering traction as possible. Seemed to help. Now have Versa Turfs with Rimguard in the rears only. We have some gooey clay and they excel in that stuff.
Tim best video we have ever seen good for all tractor owners so much information
God Bless All
PaK
Another great and informative video. Your statements on the use or not, especially between lawn only vice loader,etc has help steer me in a better informed direction. Thank You
Great video Tim. I absolutely love the versa turf tires on my rwd Bolens ht23. Good friend of mine was looking to buy a new compact tractor. He asked me my advise on what to get. I told him easy choice, 1025r, and to check out your videos. He just took delivery of his new johnny. He loves it. I told him to see if he could get the versa turf tires when he was ordering it, but they told him they were not an option.
i put washer fluid in mine myself with a pump. i understand its not as heavy as the beet juice but i got a 55 gallon drum of it for free. it works really good.
Talked to Jason a couple weeks ago and does tire work on our work truck. Great guy!
I had my 3035d filled when I bought it, I like the way it handles loads in the bucket, the only time I’ve drove the tractor without the rim guard was around the lot at the dealership. At around 400 pounds per tire it has to be helpful!!
Have a good day Tractor Time with Tim
When we were tractor pulling, we made a plate that bolted to the lug nuts and a pipe welded to it. We then slid 50lb lead discs onto the pipes. We could make a 300lb mini modified tractor, into a 1500lb tractor. We had to do it that way because there were 4 weight classes, 800, 900, 1200 and 1500lb and had to switch weight classes constantly. Cool video Tim.
Another good informative video. Thanks for sharing Tim.
An excellent video packed withnknowledge and options. Thanks!
What a great idea!!
I never imagined you could rig a sprayer like that
THANKS
Great video Tim really good information. Have a great day
Very informative. This technician was very knowledgable.
I'm still a believer in the front being filled Tim. Next time I mow I'm going to add weights to the front too and see how that goes. I need the front to be planted as much as possible just like the rear. I'm noticing it even more now that I have the Terra Trac tires on.
Hey Tim 🇺🇸 🚜 great information 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Anyone in Ontario, Canada: There is a dealer in Ingersoll that has it. I got mine done there. The fill process was knock the tire off the rim, and pour it in the side. We didn't use the valve stem. This was on a Massey GC-1720.
Very educational video. Thanks Larry
Good informative video. It was good to see Mary at the end.
Nice info on the 3R mowing- that's what I have 3039R
Very informative video and thanks for explaining why you didn't put Rim Guard in Vinnie. All these tips help us make better decisions. Jason did a good job explaining too.
Another commenter mentioned that he uses Rimguard in his Vinny due to extreme slopes.
TY, nice video. I filled up my air pig that I pressurized and was filed with winter washer fluid then transferred that into the rear tires on my mower, it added 62 lbs per tire. This method is best because filled tires and wheel weights don' t add any weight to the wheel bearings load the way rear hanging weights do.
Cool video Tim thanks for sharing buddy
Thanks for responding back I asked tractor Mike the same thing I didn't get a response but I like the way that I asked the question better than the way that I did to you. Maybe that would have gotten the wheels turning in a different direction you might say no pun intended. Sorry for it seeming like I was being a smart tail.
oh wow you got some rearfenders on the 5E, looks really good!:D
Yea, they look nice!
We are lucky here,straight water works. People will say it will rust the rim, but even if it does, it takes forever. My family has had water in the tires for 50-60 years and the rim hasn't rusted.
Yep, thats what I use. No problems. Way cheaper and easy to do yourself just pick up the adapter valve at your local hardware store
WOW over 700 lbs/tire on the first tractor, that tire didn't look all that big. Because of a flat tire a couple years ago I have Rim Gard in one and Ballast Star in other. Good informational video with excellent narration.
As soon as i heard you got a 5 series tractor that saying at the end of the vid is exactly what came to my mind. Lol.
Johnny 5 is alive no dissassemble! Lol.
I had all tires on my Yanmar sc2400 filled with foam 10 years ago never had a flat and enjoy the extra ballast.
On garden tractors filling steer tires helps even if you only add 20lbs per tire every little bit helps with a front snowblower that sits on the ground in operation since they like to go straight when you loose the added steer tire traction from the snowblowers weight as soon as the blower is lowered to the ground (I run tri and quad Rib steer tires on my garden tractors in16x6. 50-8) and my 23x10.50-12 v bar rear tires both front and rear loaded to 80%... My steer tires were factory 2ply on all my machines but I upgraded to 4or 6ply (depending on which tractor tire was installed).
I do have liquid ballasst in all 8 wheels of my Ventrac. No local beet juice, so I used the ever popular winter concentration winshield washer fluid. Super easy to do since the Ventrac rims have 2 valve stems 180 degrees opposed. 7 gallons eash tire. My slopes are severe and this helps and it is a huge help with the boom arm mower. I tried threading the outer tires of the dual pairs as one normally does and what a royal PIA! Then I wised-up and removed the lugs of the outer wheels to make the changes or to check torque of inner -- that is easy!
Good info.
HEY! You jinxed me! I got my "J.D." out this afternoon and its ballisted front tire had this little shiney spot with dampness about it. A bee hive frame nail! So I jack that tire off the ground, pull the little cigar box nail, use a drill to enlarge/freshen the hole and a solvent cement sticky rope plug to save the day. No ballast lost. J.D. is a 1983 650 with the big Pillow Diameter turf tires. Great tractor and runs like new.
I ended up going with -20 degree rated windshield washer fluid from Sam's Club for my 1025r tires. It made a huge difference.
That is much cheaper the RG. Plus you can install it yourself. I have a funny feeling it was not inexpensive.
Back in 2006 when I bought my tractor they wanted to fill my tires with calcium chloride. I told the the dealer no. As I knew it would rot the rims I have gotten by without weight in the tires as it does double duty as a lawn tractor and garden duty. The only time I notice the lack of weight is using the plow. If using the bucket for heavy lifting I will hang the tiller off the back as it is heavy and behind the rear axles like Tim mentioned for weight and taking some load off the front. Besides I have free ballast every time I sit in the seat LOL.
I use it on my 2032R. Good blast that take no extra space. Well worth it.
Asked question to soon saw answer later on in video Thank you
I liked the front tires on my Ford 2000 filled with ballast because the front end was so light when I lifted the bush hog and drove on a bumpy road I had better control. The Ford 5000 had no issues. But all my tractors had the rear tires filled.
Great information
Good video, I still need to find someone to do this same thing to my new Johnny soon
I have my fronts weighted on my small loader 2wd. it helps with front end weight when digging into material. all around feels more stable.
Great video! Thanks for sharing❗❗❗ 🙂🙂🙂 👍👍👍
Did he say grommlet? 🤣 I never considered someone could come to me to put in Rim Guard. I might try to find that. My BX23s could use it.
Several times :-) oh well, he knew what he was doing!!
Grommlet rhymes with omlet which makes me hungry. Other than that it's OK new word!
@@glenbreaks5448 LOVE IT!, for 40 years I have been looking for an excuse!
Yep. It's the same as people that say "chimley" for chimney. Others will say things like "chester drawers" for chest of drawers. "Supposebly" for supposedly, along with the normal "their/there/they're" and "or/are," etc. Drives me nuts.
@@CarrotDugTooDeep ... How bout Brand Clean ? I've used all those words my whole life as our 200+ family members all have. Suppoubly🙄😁
Advantage of living in Florida, we just fill tractor tires up with a garden hose. You just have to keep letting the air out to prevent over-pressurizing the tire. Haven't had time to do my new 1023E.
I recommend greasing the valve stem external threads before putting the cap back on. Otherwise, the Rimguard can sort of glue the cap to the stem.
Never thought to check valve stem caps for rubber grommets.
Cheers.
yup, after all Rim Guard IS made from "Sugar Beets", which is why it doesn't freeze, sticky Sugar..
Sounded like gromlets. I guess that's an Indiana thing. 😆
@@Dan-oz4qb Amazon product info uses different language: Airtight Rubber O-Ring Seal - These cap tire valves provide an enhanced seal to help prevent air leakage and to properly keep out dust, dirt, grime and road debris.
@@Formulabruce If you don't grease, then trying to get the cap off can break the stem. Which creates an expensive puddle in the driveway. Which is why I changed to another product for refill.
@@Dan-oz4qb I heard Grom-let as well lol
Going by my old memory. My manuals with my 2025r say 120lbs wheel weight, filled tires, and 600 or 800lbs rear weight(ALL 3).
All 4 of my 2032r tires are filled. It really has made a big difference. Highly recommended. The only problem is if you drive down the road at a high speed, you can feel it sloshing around and makes it bumpy.
I think you may need more fluid. From what I read, if you are planning to run at higher speeds, you want to fill above the rim (valve stem). This will help prevent sloshing, but will make a rougher ride as liquid doesn't compress like air. Another reason to use R4's rather than radial - you loose the flex a radial would provide. So cheaper and once filled not much different in flex/ride quality. BTW: this is what I'm hearing "on the street", so maybe Tim could chime in?
A good one Great video.
I've heard that this stuff really has an effect on the ride of the tractor. But it has it's purpose.
Positive effect, yes. It rides much better due to reduced ‘bounce’. That vertical hop which hurts one’s back is significantly reduced.
Watching this again, tomorrow morning the tire service is coming out to such out calcium and put a new tube and rim guard in our Oliver 550 tires tomorrow morning. We went to fill them up, they were low, and the tubes broke, on both sides.
💥 I’ve been thinking of those versa turfs. I think they would provide better overall seasonal traction than the new R14’s
*Keep on tractoring!* 👍
I prefer the Versa Turfs to the galaxy garden pros.
Just a FYI... Recommended minimum ballasting requirements for specific tractors/FELs can be pretty astonishing. Ballasting, per Deere's own on-line manuals for the 520M MSL FEL on a 5075E Cab tractor (AKA Johnny 5): Option 1) 3-pt hitch only ballast @ 3,197 lbs(!). Option 2) 3-pt hitch @ 2,756 lbs AND rear axle @ 882 lbs (assuming that’s a total for both tires). The new Rim Guard put 738 lbs per tire on the rear axle (1,476 lbs total), so that is around 2x the recommended minimum axle ballast requirement. Even with the new Rim Guard, you'll still need something really heavy on the 3-pt. I have no idea what kind of 3-pt implement weighs 2,756 lbs, let alone 3,197 lbs. One thing not mentioned in the Deere manual is where that 3-pt hitch weight number is actually located. I'd have to assume its out at the "24-inch behind the balls" distance normally used when specifying the 3-pt hitch lift capacity. In the case of the 5075E, that 24" behind spec is 3192 lbs. Like I said, astonishing!
Yep! Extrapolating from the numbers above, 1500 lb on the axle plus 2000 lb on the 3 point should work. That is what we’ll have.
I use my 2610 koiti for cutting my grass and doing all my other jobs I don't make ruts or tear up my yard with r4 tires but I do wana fill them
RimGuard and IsoTunes being represented here in this video.
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Interesting, I heard of people around here putting wind shield antifreeze fluid in their rear tires for weight but never a specific use product. Check your tractor with the forks attached at 20:10 of this video. Looks like your radiator is packed with debris. Best Regards, Jay
Front Grille sure does have debris !
we have brush guard on the back of our tractor and no FEL so we need to put all the weight we can on the front of the tractor. Wheel weights, front weight bar, and ballast the front tires
That giant claw on the truck is insane
The rimguard solution is a great product in and of itself. The Rimguard company itself: They suck! They won't sell you the liquid itself, no you have to go to a dealer and pay to have installed. Which means you have to either take the tractor or the tire/wheels to get them loaded. Secondly, their so-called "Dealer Locator" on their website - isn't. To find a dealer you have to e-mail them, and then they only send you one dealer instead of choices. Hey RG: How about putting a real "Dealer Locator" on your web site like Kroger, Walmart, McDonalds, AutoZone, O'Reillys etc. etc. etc. like virtually every other American company does. You know, for the convenience of your customers.
Thanks for the comment, we are happy to hear you like our product. Also, thanks for the feedback, we are currently revamping our website, set to launch this summer. We are taking your comments about our dealer locator into consideration for the new site. We should suck less with the new site launch!
My dad put calcium chloride in the rears of our Oliver 66 back in the early fifties. Still going today with no rusting of the rims.
i bet those tires had tubes in them??
Well done info on the Rim Guard, and the alternative installation of it on site, instead of taking the tractor to dealer. Just curious as if tire pressure changes more in extreme (summer vs. winter) temperatures? Nice job Tim and Christie, and blessings to you.
I don’t know, Kenton.
I'd assume the pressure would change less since there's much less air in the tire. Or maybe the smaller volume of air makes it more sensitive to temperature change? Great question!
Yes this is what an expert said in response to another same question.
I had my tires foam filled. It was worth the money.
Ugh. THAT would ride rough!
I like your new video today you did a good jop
Did Jason come from Greencastle? Fun fact the Greencastle shop is in an old John Deere dealership.
Yep. Cool.
Considered this but the additional weight in the upper level of my barn where I store my hay made this a less appealing option compared to a ballast box on the back that I can remove when I need to work in the barn.
what is the info on that jack, like cost and availability?
How wound
the rim guard in John five is going to effect the transport
of the tractor on the trailer. Are you still going to be under that 26000 pound.
Let’s hope.
Instead of a flow volume meter; do it by weight. Put a couple of load cells on the tank frame; and knowing the density of the rim guard; you can extrapolate how many gallons you’ve pumped.
weight isnt a problem,,,tractor frame and axle dont carry the weight, only the rubber at the bottom of the tire
@@bill45colt That’s not what the comment was about. It was about dispensing a specific amount of fluid; and how to measure it reliably.
@@darkwinter6028 i comment as i please,,,,
Sparks tire are great people. They do a lot of work for our dealership.
I feel like I read in the manual not to load front tires with liquid balast. I just loaded my rears with ww fluid and it cost about $45 to get it done for me. I used the jack method to get it done. What do they charge to fill the 1025 tire?
Haven’t got the bill yet :-)
I have been using rim guard since 2003 when we got our 4710, we have it in all our tractors, great product, the only bad thing I can say is on the smaller garden tractor tires without air water valve stems I have had issues with the brass insert separating from the rubber valve stem after around 5-7 years, when checking the air pressure the brass insert will twist out of the rubber body taking off the stem cap, the rim guard seems to deteriorate those style valve stems, I just lay the tire flat on the ground and break the bead and sneak a new stem in it without losing all the rim guard
Unlike other dealer locators, RimGuard website doesn't have a map with closest dealer,only a "contacts us form" I plan on calling the tractor dealer i bought my Kioti from and see if they did load my tire already, and if not, if they can it, or know who can. I don't understand why rimguard can't do a dealer map like everyone else pn the web.
Right, that's what I did just call my locals to find which one uses RimGuard. Turns out that they all do and their pricing is Very close to same. My JD 2305 now has all 4 tires filled 👍YAY maybe it'll save what life I've left at 72 👦😎🙄
At 75% the cost of rear weights, I'd use wheel weights. The weight does not have to be purchased again if you have a tire damaged. You loose some or most liquid depending puncture. I guess if you call the right tire guy, he can salvage some to complete them repair but not all.
For the subcompact tractors, I recommend BOTH. We need all the rear weight we can get!
I went with -50 RV Antifreeze. It was the same price as window washing fluid at Walmart, weighs more per gallon, and is non-toxic. WWF cannot be made non-toxic, no thank you. I would have used Rim Guard, but it is not available in my area, and shipping 98 gallons would cost a fortune!
I'd love to know where to get that pump and fancy valve stem tool. Hmm....
Did u endup getting versa turf tires on 1025r I guess I should watch the whole video I see u put them on
No fancy stuff needed.
Pull tire and wheel, break bead on one side, pour in cocktail of choice. Air up & reinstall.
I prefer RV anti freeze for the tractor and Bourbon and Coke anti freeze for me.
I use the same in my tractor n me. No problem with tractor but I must have a leak. Constantly having to refill my antifreeze.
Hi Tim so he did not replace valve stems on your 1025 just kept the rubber ones?
Discussed later in the video.
Fun fact I’m in the uk and the toat is called an IBC and holds 1000 litres of liquids
How much does the rim guard expand or contract with temperature? I know air will, and it will do a lot. Does the rim guard help prevent the tires airing down when it gets cold?
Good question. I do not know.
@@TractorTimewithTim fluids are much less susceptible to volume & pressure fluctuation due to temperature than gasses are. Rimguard also has a much lower freeze point (-35) than water due to the sugar solution dissolved in it, but, because it is water-based, when it does freeze, it will expand like water does and can cause issues. lots of physics involved, but, with the smaller air volume left in the tire and the majority of the fluid being less dynamic, you will not notice much difference between a 110 degree day and a -30 degree day.
this is why I am getting agri-lim in mine, winters can be pretty bad here, will support -50 celcius (agri-lim.com/en/product/)
I used to work at a shop and I enjoyed working on tractor tires we used Calcium I don't think rim guard was a thing then though it was 11 years ago I sure miss working on tractor tires
I never use rim guard. I always use wheel weights or a three point linkage one. I can take them off if working in the field so less compaction.
We just had the rims replaced on my dads Ford 4600 they had the calcium and the rims were shot it took 2.5 months to get them in and they filled them with windshield washer fluid. Have you ever used that I heard that the Rimgiard/beet juice stinks something awful.
Tim the only place near me for RimGuard is in Memphis. That’s about 2 hours away. I had already been considering it, but sure hate to haul Little John that far...
Ugh! Maybe lobby your local tire dealer to become a Rimguard dealer?
Couldn’t you just take the wheels off and just haul them? I thought I’d do that and I have a dealer pretty close.
RVJimD I could do that but I just don’t know if I could then handle them back home with so much weight.
Good Works tractor just did a comparison between a 1025 R and a Kubota B2601. While this wasn’t a apple to apple comparison it was very useful; as, it gave a good comparison of what you gat with a slightly larger tractor. You previously did a comparison between a 1025 and a BX. You and Good Works by doing the comparisons have set the 1025 up as the base tractor. Personally I think this is great. Good Works couldn’t fo a comparison between a b2601 and a 2 series JD, because he didn’t have a 2 series to compare. However, you do. When a person goes to buy a tractor the dealership seems to use their subcompact as the first goto item; as, it is the lowest price. Since you two have basically set the 1025 as the comparison base it would be nice to see you do a comparison between the 1025 and your 2 series or even your 5 series This would not be a comparison to see what machine wins but to give viewers the opportunity to better see the capabilities of each machine. This would give viewers to see what the differences are rather than just reading a specification chart.
As always a very good video.
Check out our recent 1025r VS 2038r comparison.
Tractor Time with Tim thanks Tim.
Thank you again for reminding me of that video. I had watched it previously snd thought it was quite well thought out and very well presented. However it didn’t really stay with me because you used a lot of references to the spec sheets. I remember how the specs some time just don’t play out. For example the specs for the BX and 1025r 3 point hitch and tractor turn radius showed the two to be virtually the same, but when you did the actual tests your results were quite different. The 1025r turned in a far less area than the BX, while the BX’s 3 point hitch fid a little better than the 1025 R. You even went farther and test the hydraulic pressure. The 1025 R was producing more pressure that the BX. I know that loading heavy weights on a tractor for testing purposes is a lot of work. But, those real lift test and comparisons where the operation is shown is what sticks in ones mind. I was thinking that Good Works tractor snd you might be able to get together and compare the 2 series to the B2601 if he still has the machine. If that is not possible than maybe you doing real lifts and turning radius test might be possible. As always you always do a very good video.
How you replace the tires do you drain it or just go for it and let go every where
They can ‘reclaim’ the fluid by pumping it back into a tote.
Did y’all have any derecho damage?
Closest dealer to Cedar Point, NC (28584) appears to be 2hrs 20mins away. Bummer.
Did you happen to weight one of Johnny 1's tires to do a comparison and see the real weight. It would be interesting to see if the chart is close or not.
I’m a bit concerned about the accuracy of the fill. I did not weigh a tire.
Hey Tim got a question. I’ve been told that filling tractor tires with fluid can rob some power from your tractor is this true? I got a 1949 farmall cub I’m thinking of filling with fluid on the rear but unsure if I should seeing it’s only a 10 hp tractor on a good day and don’t want to rob to much power. Thanks.
No, it will not affect hp. Our Farmall cub when I was a kid had filled tires.
My quick question is, what’s the shelf (inner tire Life) of the beet juice? Due to heat it has to expand, even if by a little bit, and since it was an actual product of a living 🌱 which means it will eventually decompose. I think I saw a previous video you did that the tech said it smells really bad.
I have never heard of a ‘shelf life’. I doubt it can decompose much since it is not exposed to ‘fresh air’.
Is that the beet juice?