What Compact Tractor Owners Need To Know about CHAIN!
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- What size / grade / length log chain or transport chain do you need for your compact tractor?
We show examples of how to lift, pull, etc with our John Deere 1025r, John Deere 2038r. These same techniques apply to Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, Massey Ferguson, and all other brands of compact tractor.
00:00 - Introduction
00:54 - Size & Grade
07:45 - Hooks
09:44 - Usage w/Bucket Hooks
11:22 - Pulling. Proper Connecting Location
14:01 - How To Avoid Unhooking
15:40 - Example Pull
19:40 - Don't Jerk My Chain!!
20:53 - Stretched Chain Story
22:01 - On Tractor Chain Storage
25:05 - Bible Verse
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An old farmer was seen dragging a long length of chain along the sidewalk when a police officer stopped him and asked, "Sir, why are you dragging this chain behind you?" The old farmer wiped the sweat from his brow, looked up at the officer with a somewhat puzzled look on his face and said, "Because...it's a heck of lot easier than trying to push it."
Good info and tips. Thanks Tim, and hope your family had a great thanksgiving
Simple subject, but the reality is you might be saving someones life who has never had a basic education on proper chain use, well done Tim.
Growing up we never had chain except for the tires. Now I have several chains with a 5/8" x 20' the largest. It works great for removing tree stumps but when tied around the waist it is a bit heavy. Much better to use the truck or the small tractor.
I'm here to learn I ain't never had no bad luck but if I can learn enough to prevent it 😜
Great job Tim. Like you said, not everyone grew up on a farm. I'm sure this is hugely helpful to many. I learned a few things. Thanks
Very informative. I learned much about chains and their safe use. Just about no information is too basic to receive for those of us who did not grow up in environments where this information was common. Enjoyed hearing mention of lessons learned from your dad and appreciate you now passing them down to us. Thanks to you and Christy for sharing.
Tim you take a very important subject, often overlooked as commonly understood knowledge; you plainly explain it so that even a novice can proceed safely and properly. Well said; thank you.
Oh yes and never keep bad chain around get rid of it so somebody doesn't accidentally use it. This is an excellent video. Thank you
Heyhey Tim good info. I completely can relate to how we are much more easy going as we get older. It just isn't worth the heartache to get angry over things like that. I appreciate you telling that story. Thanks
I'm glad you showed putting a clevis on the draw bar. My clevis stays on my drawbar and makes for an excellent rear tie down point on rear of tractor
I learned how to use chains pulling out fire wood with our garden tractors from our woods when I was a kid. Very informative video as always! My one buddy didn't believe we could pull out trees with just a cheap agway brand 16hp lawn tractor. It had a standard hi and low transmission, ag tires, my neighbor who was a machinist made a little grab hitch on the frame and we used a short 3/8 chain about 6ft. It was great living next to a machinist. He was old and had a tons of knowledge.
Thank you. The things people know and take for granted are not easy for people with no experience to learn without finding someone willing to explain basics. Videos like this are invaluable. Thanks again.
This video was exactly what I was looking for as a first time tractor owner. Thank you so much for doing this! Very informative and a great resource to get started!!
Tim, thanks for the video. I am a new tractor owner this year and this video was extremely helpful.
Great info!! I was just talking to my neighbor about all this just the other day.
Tim, you are something else! Like you, I grew up on a farm and have been around equipment my whole life. Thought I had a pretty good understanding of chain use... As usual, you provide interesting and useful thoughts and ideas. Even gave an old dog some new ideas to make chain use easier and more productive. Really enjoy your series! Nicely done!
same with me Rick. I learned something new from this video.
Thanks Tim! I ended up buying a couple chains when I was taking a huge tree down in our backyard.
Outside of their intended purpose, best use I've found for them so far? Pulling the posts on our old chain link fence that were sunk in to 40+ inch concrete footers. When you think of a metal chain, one thing you don't think about (or at least I never did) is traction and gripping power. A couple wraps around the base of the post then loop it over the foot of a hi-lift jack and it's insane how well it would grip the pole, even when covered in wet mud that was hard to stand up in. Some of the more stubborn posts crumpled and snapped before the concrete footer broke free. Trees along the fence line had worked their roots tightly around, and in some cases through, the footers. Those ones just got chisled back and cut off about a foot under ground. Best I could do without damaging the tree roots. But for most of the posts, it popped them out with surprisingly little effort.
Thanks again for all the videos!
thanks I just bought some chain to use with my 1025R and I still need hooks for the ends and this was very helpful on what hooks I need
I’ve commented on this video before.
Although TTWT has helped many people with these videos, I’ve shared this chain video more then any other.
So much content explained straightforward, using simple terms.
Thank you Tim and Christy for creating and sharing these helpful videos.
Where I worked the company brought in a chain company to check all the chains, lifting straps and other devices we would use over a years time. I think the biggest chain for lifting like the truck frames were 7/8 which might I say are quite heavy. Each chain or if they were multiple chains on a ring. were taken then to be replaced. On a chain at my place it's 3/8 with grab hook on one end an slip hook on other end x 20 feet. I need to buy some 5/16 and binders for my tractor if I ever transport it. Great video Tim! One time at work we had a mining truck sitting on our triple wide trailer out in the yard, it is attached with the semi tractor, well I got stuck. So maintenance came out with a wheel loader pretty good size. They hooked a chain on the back of the triple wide trailer and started pulling, well the chain broke and we never found all of that chain, don't know where it went!
Very helpful and I can see how this is often overlooked. Good job looking out for those in need!
A good refresher for safe use of chains. Makes you think twice before doing something not so safe. Accidents happen in a split second. Thanks.
Great contribution Tim.☺️Tons of useful information, concisely presented. Big Thanks.
Well done Tim! Very well explained and correct.
Your information is always professional and well detailed. Thanks for sharing.
Good overview of chains even though you cost me some money at Bolt on Hooks. Thanks Tim and Christy and I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
As a new and first time tractor owner, this video was very helpful. I'm having hooks welded to by box in a couple of days. Thanks Tim...sure appreciate your sage advice.
You can get bolt on hooks from boltonhooks.com likely less expensive than weld on. Use code TTWT for 5% discount.
Excellent video! Brings back good memories when my Dad was alive and we logged together. Also, I am amazed how most of your subjects can relate to a Bible verse! Very thoughtful, and I am sure a lot of care goes into that. I appreciate that the most:)
Thanks for the kind words, Tom.
One of the best put together video yet, especially the EXAMPLE PULL part. Really get the feeling that you are very knowledgeable and are not trying to “BS” us. Well done!
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Another fantastic video. Thank you Tim. The guidance/suggestion of a 1/4 inch 10' chain that can meet most lifting needs was great. And several other notes as well.
Great tips. Thanks from a newbie tractor owner. You shed much light on grade and its relationship to usage.
Absolute perfect timing to come across this video. Just getting ready to order a choker chain to drag logs behind my sub compact and of course I was thinking Biggers better and look at a 3/8”. I will now be getting 1/4”. it’s lighter, cheaper, and better for my application. Thanks for the education.
Good info. I was just reviewing my chain collection after upgrading to a bigger and heavier tractor. My marginal tie down strategy is now totally inadequate.
Great presentation. Thank you. Very informative and interesting.
Another use for the tube on the loader bar is to put long handled tools such as shovels, rakes etc. for transport
Very informative, educational, interesting!!!! Like the safety information! Great video!!!!
Great video!!! Even though my dad ran a wrecker service and towing service for 50 years and. I worked for him when I was young, it re-enforced the proper uses, practices, types and applications. I have some chains that have been stretched and abused. (not all by me!!). I am going to replace and upgrade all my smaller over stressed chain with grade 70 chain with the retainer hooks before spring. Thanks for inspiring me to get going and to use the proper chain and use safe practices!!!
I cannot thank you enough for these videos. For people trying to figure out the basics, it can be an ordeal. Most farmers were taught by their dads I will bet. My dad definitely did not know anything about this stuff. Now I am grandma age and trying to do farm things on my property. I was just wondering about chains the other day and - boom, you had a vid on it.
Very well done Time. And I certainly don’t intend to jerk anyone’s chain 😉. Blessings!
Great video for those new to this topic. I believe the reason the chain measurement is not exactly ¼ ½ etc. is they are manufactured using metric measurements and then converted to a nominal size for US markets.
Thanks for all the advice, Tim. If I may add one piece of info; hook to the smooth side of the link as opposed to the welded side. I never really thought of this, but all the Hot Shot guys say it when securing loads, so I suspect they're more than knowledgeable than I. Great tutorial.
What a great video!!!! I wish CZcams had the option of two thumbs up. In addition to the great overall info about chains, thanks for warning me off using the top hook on my quick hitch. I've been doing that since seeing a video expressly encouraging that to lift and tow heavy objects. You may well have saved my life or my tractor. Thank you thank you thank you.
Thank you for another great video. I learned a lot!
Well done Tim. Thanks for keeping it simple.
Very informative and easy to understand. The military teaches jerking chains can become “saws” if breaks occur.
great information for us new tractor owners, thank you TIM
ANOTHER great video of information and tips! Thank you so much!
good overview about chains. a lot of folks dont know how to use them properly. They are an essential tool when logging or doing firewood. i got bolt on hooks years ago based on a review you did. I've used them over and over again. i also have the loop/clevis on the bottom/inside the bucket. absolutely love them. one of the best add ons I've ever bought for the tractor. forgot about heavy hitch. i need a receiver to tow around my little log splitter. i might have to get one of the FEL receivers. dont think i heed the heavy hitch one and its a bit more expensive.
“Don’t jerk anybody’s chain.” I’ve heard that saying many times but never really connected it to an actual chain.... always thought of it as figurative to... don’t make anybody angry.... nice explanation! Some good reminders for those who already know and very valuable info for those who might not!
Thanks for the video. Very informative. I like the depth you go into. Keep up the good work!
Excellent points!
As a former fence installer who used chains for transport,and pulling old posts from the ground.
2# 12ft chains ,each with a slipper and standard hook.
Pulling posts,hook chain down low on tractor and post.
Add the largest wheel (scrap wheel/rim or with tire) as close to the post as possible, and run the chain over top of it.
The wheel becomes a rolling fulcrum.
A 4x4 works better,but needs an experienced holder and tractor driver.
Excellent tutorial. If one has a loader on any size tractor, the bolt on or weld on clevis are worth their weight in gold. Makes a tractor much more versatile.
Thankz good info.only thing i would add is when hooking to chain is make shure to hook away from the weld on the chain.
Good education Tim. You gave me a couple of new ways to look at the task of towing things. God Bless.
Great stuff! This is very useful and practical information. Thank you for making this video and sharing your insight. God Bless.
Glad to see I'm not the only who uses the next size larger hook on chains.
Thanks Tim nobody explained it better.
Great video on a simple but useful tool that has multiple uses...
Haven't seen it in the comments yet, but don't forget to throw something over the top of the chain in the center (coat, blanket, etc) before pulling. That way if it comes loose under tension it won't become a as much of a danger. Think of it as if it were a cable that broke, it is a deadly whip that can cut a person in half. If possible cover at least 5 feet. Don't own a tractor but this information is applicable to many situations. Thanks Tim, keep up the very informative videos.
Thank you for your time!
Another great tutorial by Tim. Thanks!
My local Bi-Mart sells 2-1/2 gallon buckets (as opposed to 5 gal.) that are perfect for storing and transporting chains. Great vid.
Excellent vid, and a lot of good info! Much of what you said some people with call "common sense", but (first of all) common sense is somewhat of an oxymoron nowadays (lol), and (secondly) what they REALLY mean is "common knowledge", and for those of us who are new (or maybe even not THAT new!) to tractors, such knowledge is FAR from common!!! You explain it all so well, never condescend, and never disrespect -- very much appreciated! Again, great stuff as always!!!
This video was very helpful for me. Thanks!
I learned some of this slowly and painfully on my own. Then I got out of tractors for 10 years. I am rusty on chains! Even though I kept my chains, most found or given to me but including a nice gold one I bought. This video was a really helpful refresher. It also helped me decide a couple new chains to get partly as tie downs on my new Artillian pallet frame. Thanks!
Hey Tim another use for that hidden compartment on your 1025R Is to store your shovel and Or digging bar
Thankz for that idea!!
I use mine for a steel pry bar too
Thank you for explaining in detail about chains
Excellent tutorial ! on a very important often over looked on how to use a chain properly tutorial ! thank you !
"Don't jerk someone's chain!" Great stuff, sir. Practical and knowledgeable. I used to teach a rigging class in the oil industry. For farm and yard applications, you are right on. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Really good education. Thank you!
I use a quarter inch 120 grade chain with a grab hook and a slip hook on it. I use it for logging in a small operation I have been made fun of it for a long time but it is some much lighter. Like you said It can be used all day with little exhaustion.
Thank you very much, a big added plus to my knowledge.
Thank you for this video. I am planning on moving to a rural area and never owned a tractor. I've used chains on boats but nothing else. Had no clue there were different chain strengths, or types of hooks.
..Cool Video..My grand paw always said the same thing about hooking up a chain when i was a kid.. & then he just let me learn for my self..lol. & We allways kept a chain on the floo bord of our tractors & when i got older guess where i keep a chain at in my old farm truck ..lol. kinda odd how our habits seam to stick with us as we get older !
This is a very good and informative video here ! Thanks Tim i just like it and now i know now what chain to use !
When i was guetting my tractor like a year ago i was thinking about chains and how i could use them and all the benifict and uses for my tractor uses ! And now i know what to guet and how to use it !
Very good video i repeat !
Continue youre good work and videos !
Btw im 25 and i own a bx2380 !
À t'a santé ! From Québec, Canada !
I like the way you took your video and broke it up into sections.
Great instructions, Tim!
Great video. Lots of info. You can never have enough chains.
Thank you, I learned a lot from this!
Nice job Tim. Love the tips and equipment
Wow This was super helpful. Thanks!
Thank you Tim.. this Vid was very helpful.
Great to see you again Tim! I hope you all had a safe and happy Thanksgiving, lots of Turkey, taters and pumpkin pie but watch that stuffing. Lol!
Hi Tim; Very nice video covering the basics of chains. I wish I had seen it 10 years ago when I first got a tractor and started being an amateur farmer! Over the years I had to learn most of these things via the school of hard knocks... but my tractor survived and I still have all my fingers! I did want to comment on one thing though... You mentioned the WLL of various sizes of chains and commented that a 1/4" size grade 70 chain was sufficient for use with a sub-compact tractor because the tractor could not pull any harder than the WLL of the chain. This is true, but only on a straight pull. If you are using force multiplication with pulleys then all bets are off! I frequently use chains as part of the rig I use to topple trees. I usually prefer to topple a tree if possible rather than fell it with a chainsaw as I know exactly 100% where the tree is going to fall, I can be far away when it falls, and it gets the stump out of the ground as part of the deal. I use 1/4" wire rope (1200 lb WLL) and 10 pulleys which gives a theoretical pulling force of 12,000 pounds (at the load limit of the wire rope) against the anchor point which is provided by the chain, sometimes quite a long chain, over to a big strap looped as low as possible around a big tree. I use 20 foot lengths of 3/8" grade 70 for this (6600 Lb WLL) joined together with double clevises and have never noticed any distress in the chains. The pulls are always done slowly and smoothly, usually with the tractor engine at idle speed. More power just isn't needed. So far this has worked 100% on trees up to about 18" -20" in diameter rooted in heavy clay. Having worked this all out by myself with no expert guidance I am not sure an expert would approve of this procedure and if you have any comments I'd love to hear them! By the way... I store my chains in rubber feed buckets. The rubber buckets don't crack like plastic ones do, they keep the chains organized, and the handle makes them easy to carry around.
How far up the tree do place cable and how do you get up there?
Ditto on the rubber bucket. It’s been my chain storage for decades.
Hi Stuart; Actually to topple a tree I pull on it quite low (where it is stronger) as I want to pull the root ball out of the ground and not take a chance of breaking off the trunk of the tree which could be sudden and uncontrolled. At the tree that is being removed end of the rig I put five 6' foot long double loop straps (Princess Auto part number 8021419) wrapped around the tree as a choke. These straps are typically placed only 5 to 6 feet above the ground. The free loop on each strap is placed in the hook of a 1 ton snatch block (Princess Auto part number 8824922).
At the anchor end of the rig a 30 foot vehicle tow strap (Princess Auto part number 8841561) is wrapped 1 1/2 times around a stout tree as low as I can get it. Wrap it so the 2 looped ends are even and put a shackle in the loops. The shackle connects to 20' lengths of 3/8" grade 70 chain. I use as many 20' lengths of chain as required to get near the tree I am toppling and join them together using double clevis fittings (Princess Auto part number 3804598). At the other end of the chains I put another double loop tow strap connected to the chains by a shackle. This shackle can be moved along the last length of chain to fine tune the gap between the 2 sets of pulleys. At the loop at the free end of the tow strap I put the hook end of 4 more of the 1 ton snatch blocks. This leaves you with 2 sets of pulleys facing each other.
I use a 150 foot length of 1/4" wire rope to lace between the 2 sets of pulleys. (The wire rope is prepared with a loop at each end using a thimble and wire rope clips.) The anchor end of the wire rope is connected to the loop on the tow strap (along with the snatch block hooks) by using a shackle. The free end of the wire rope has a shackle on it which goes over a hook on my tractor. If you work it out this means that there are 10 lengths of wire rope between the pulleys so the rigging should be set so that there is about 15 feet between the 2 sets of pulleys. (150 feet of rope divided by 10.)
I then use the tractor to pull on the wire rope and gently tip the tree over. Keep an eye on how tall the tree is compared to how far away you are from it with the tractor! You don't want it landing on your head! A variation is to add a 5th pulley at the anchor end and pull in the opposite direction. This way the tree is tipping in the direction opposite to the direction the tractor is moving so it is a bit safer but you don't always have room to do this.
I hope this helps but as always, use this information with caution, common sense, and at your own risk....
@@Vincent_Sullivan Super helpful response, especially the URL for the products you referenced. Thank you.
You wouldn't have a video on this by any chance? All those parts you listed are currently available at Princess Auto BTW. Thx.
@@Stu2366593 Hi Stuart; Having the Princess Auto (PA) part numbers only helps much if you are a Canadian living near a PA branch but I figured that anybody anywhere could browse the PA web site and see a photo of what I am talking about so they know what they are looking for when they search for a local source for these items. Yes, all the part numbers are current - I checked on that! I really like these snatch blocks as they have a couple of features that make them particularly suitable for this sort of work. I got mine years ago and PA didn't stock them for a while and I am very glad to see that they are now back on the shelves.
Sorry, I don't currently have a video of the process. That is not a bad idea though! Next time I topple a tree I'll see if I can take a video to post on CZcams.
Thank you so much for making this video! 🥰
great information in this video thanks Tim
Great tips and info.
The one exception to not hooking a chain to 3 point is when pulling out post. As long as the tractor is substantial enough & on flat ground, that's the best way to pull a post.
That's why they make 3 point hitch drawbars, you can adjust up or down to match your pull point ( if possible) if you're furthest pull point is much higher pick a solid pull point on your tractor ( unless your 3point is power up and down) then these drawbars are great.
Be VERY careful with 3 pt drawbars. The 3 pt can and will come up unexpectedly. There is no down pressure.
Great video Tim!
Thanks Tim great video. Gods blessing
thanks tim. when I first started using chains I kept trying to put the hook though the link and that didnt work. thanks for sharing
Hi Tim great video and information thanks for sharing
Good video tim,lowes sells plugs for hole in loader with rubber seal that slides into hole an a wing nut tightens the plug so pvc wont come out,just a thought ..HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Great information as always Good Job
I understand your point about hooking low for safety, but sometimes you need to hook higher to add weight to your tractor. I hook to the three point hitch so that I can lift with the chain. In this case I hook very short. Put some dirt in your bucket for more weight.
Thx Tim. Learned a lot.
the little slots beside the draw bar at 11:50 are attachment points for safety chains when pulling a trailer or implement equipped with safety chains and some free advice - when pulling with a chain lay something over the chain, like a folded tarp or fender cover or even a coat to make the chain go to the ground if it breaks, this is especially important if pulling with a cable or a rope. if a chain has stretched links it should replaced.
hey Tim, Most G70 chain is stamped on the link. I don't know if all G70+ are but the ones Ive seen are.
Thanks for the tips. Good info!
i use my 1/4" and 5/16" chains all the time for lots of things, from moving chicken coops, rocks and trees, to pulling logs out of the woods.
Great info. How about a similar video covering rope? Materials, diameters and load limits? Thanks !
Thank You , a good reminder
Thanks so much Tim! Your videos have helped me a lot!
Thanks for watching!