So I have been using no soak no simmer Tek for a while now and i dont use jars i use 10 T Unicorn brand grain bags based on a video by the humble fungus and in my experience when using the grain bags they do not require a hot shake just thought i would point out some differences on how i use this method! thank you mush love y'all!
I use semicen oats. Triple washed. Rinse them 2 times. Then follow pgt process. I sterilize in an oven dry. I can do about 30qt at a time. 1 hour 300f then 1.5 hour 250. A lot of ppl talk badly on oven tek but if you do it right you will never need a PC. I may get a couple jars contam out of 100. It works
For WBS: if you constantly get burst grains towards the bottom, elevate them out of the water completely. Use a stainless circular 12" drying/steamer rack with at least 2in legs; will give enough clearance so that you can add enough water for the cook (including initial off-vent) and the jars won't be submerged
Wow, thank you! I couldn’t figure why I had gotten burst grains on my first ever run and it was really bugging me because I followers the tek down to the gram on another video, plus I know I couldn’t have been more than 1-2 psi over 15 at any given point. I’m about to order an aluminum drying rack rn. Much appreciated brother!
I have done this tek with WBS. Works well, and there is a trick to get rid of the clumping at the bottom of the jar. First, you need some good quality oven mits with the heat guard where you won't feel how hot the jar is when it is time to shake. Tilt the jar gently upside down with one hand and gently knock the bottom of the jar so the clumped grains can drop, then shake from the sides and it will redistribute the moisture and everything! After the jars are fully cooled down you can then innoculate all on the same day!
I love the no soak no summer tek. I do however rinse my grains first as well as periodically shaking during the cooling process on top of the hot shake. If you don't hot snake then they may not come completely apart later. Rinsing does help lower the clumping some.
@@wesleymyers8205 It does. Just a quarter teaspoon per quart jar/liter of grains. Sorry this is soooo late. I no longer use this tek myself tho. I dish and some now with better results(less contam and/or soggy). And I use the water after the summer for agar and it works great. Plus the grains are used to feeding on the nutrient by the time it goes to grain and they just take off. agar is 50/50 bottle water/grain water.
@@longfeatherlong8228 I tried simmering and it caused way more popped grains. maybe I did it for too long whats your technique steps? how long do you simmer milo
@@wesleymyers8205 I rinse the grains 3 or 4 times, until the waste comes out clear. I remove all of the "floaters". Then I soak it with calcium for 24 hrs. Then I put that on the stove and heat it up until just before it boils or simmers(when little bubbles start to rise and it's steaming well. Then I pour out the water(saving it for agar late) and put the grains onto a screen or towels. I mix them around every 15 mins or so until they're dry on the outside. Then I jar them up and pc for 2 hrs. Shake when cooked enough to take out of pc.
Dirty jars dont have to be an issue. The dry/wet weight ratio is the only thing that matters so you can just quickly rinse off the grain / birdseed before putting them in jars and weighing out the rest of the water My recipe for WBS has been: - 300g dry bird seed / 1qt jar (I look for millet heavy feed with no cracked grain or corn) - Rinse all the grain in a strainer or bowl until the water is no longer too cloudy to see the bottom easily - 450g wet weight. Split grain between all jars and add water so that they each weigh out to 450g
wait wait wait so i can just simply rinse my grain thoroughly and then NSNS and it should be less or not cloudy at all? might mess around with a popcorn no soak no simmer if you think thatd work in my favor please drop a comment lmao
Great information, man! I did this method the other day with WBS. My ratio was different from yours (230g WBS to approx 120ml gypsum water). I prepped 14 jars that with good success. And thank you so much for all the knowledge. You are helping heal the world.
yeah this is a better route I only no soak no simmer millet, but you actually get a better product soaking for a day and quick simmering before drying the outsides...
Perfect timing!!! I've been procrastinating on preparing my next batch of grains even tho it's just soaking. It's because whenever I'm like imma sterilize some grains I have to soak and do other stuff first. Now when I'm inspired to sterilize and can just go right to that in essence now
Same here! I wanted to switch grains up for cost effectiveness and Wild Bird Seed seems to be the way to go! Also like the idea that it is easy to shake, colonized well when innoculated and then easy to spawn to sub. Looking forward to trying this on my next grain run!
Couldn’t have come at a better time! Just got my first PC a few days ago and have been eying some grain to get started! Thanks for all that you do brother!!!
can you do a tour of your lab, and maybe your grow tent setup? I'd like to see how you manage humidity/temperature. I'm also curious how you protect your home from constant high humidity, AND ALSO how you manage spores being EVERYWHERE in your fruiting room when accessing the tent. thanks for all the great videos!!
I don't do a soak, but I do like to give my grains a rinse and a simmer. I like to get rid of residue and any garbage on the outside of the grain and then boil for 30 to hydrate.
Gave up on WBS. Just did some unicorn bags with millet and some with rye. I found the millet colonised quicker. Overnight soak, no simmer, then PC for 3hrs. Sorted!
Great video as always. I let mine soak over night in the jars, shake them wenever I walk past them. Shake them again before PC. 200g red sorgum, 100g wheat with 150ml water.
@@modeob88 hey sorry I totally forgot to respond. I’m going over my notes at the moment, and I have written out 1oz oats to .75oz of water by weight. For jars, I do 7oz oats to 5.25oz of water. Bags I have written 35oz oats to 26.25oz water. I know I tried a slightly higher amount of oats and water this run, but I like to have my grains a bit dry just to make sure they aren’t goop. best to try a few different ratios to find your favorite! Hope this helped!
I just made some popcorn grain jars with the drippy corn tek. I was nervous i had too much moisture as i could see moisture on the inside no puddling just moisture where the corn sitting so i’m glad you showed us the close up of the grain jars. I’m so ocd and want to succeed on this so i wanted to make sure im on the right track before i use the rest of my PE lc. I need to buy agar plates and liquid culture mix to save some genetics so i don’t have to wait for genetics to show up in the mail plus save money.
I’ve never had a problem with placing the additional three jars on the top layer with the NSNS method, and have done so many many hundreds of times. Just ensure the lid is oriented with the air exchange port toward the top so the water level is safely below the filter.
Contamination is an issue with your process. If your not mindful enough to try and understand every step your taking then and its consequences i recommend to not get in to the hobby again.
@@redditman3701 that sounds a little too accusative. If there's a particular problem with the particular environment, and, for example a lack of access to a "flow hood" or something similar, then that's not a problem with understanding. I think it's a little strange how quickly RSN agreed with you and gave up. Surely that's not the result you are looking for?
I have had ups an downs first time no agar work 25% was good second time i did good from agar work while i also made lc from ms that was bad so went from 90% success to 0% success now im at 90% an counting down but realised i dont vent my pc so not sterilizng properly lol fcking love this hobby
Glad to see you again. You and Hamilton Morris are the only two people who show and say it how it is. Everyone else likes to obscure this info or hype it.
Awesome video I think all shroom heads think alike I got some bird seed today and I didn't think they needed to be soak I just rinsed mine out and let them set and air dry now about to pressure cook good luck to all of us
Awesome thanks I’m going with this method the only issue is I’ve been using a big tea pot to sterilize so I gotta get a pressure cooker soon! Cheaper and time consuming so my wife don’t get mad when making my medications lol!
I prefer mine to be on the drier side. No soak, no simmer is pretty much foolproof in my opinion. Traditional method actually requires to many things to go right or one ends up with soggy grains. It makes sense too because you're pressure cooking grains.
It seems to me that a hybrid of NSNS and traditional soak/simmer would be best. Why not still wash the grains before jarring them for the NSNS? Seems like you'd get the best of both, cleaner less sticky grain with the ease of sterilizing/cooking the jars at the same time. Also, with the traditional soak/simmer it seems very easy to overcook the grain if you're boiling it and then also steaming them for 90 mins
Plain brown rice you don't need to soak, a quick 10 minute simmer then drain rinse and pc works a treat and is only about 20 minutes more active time than nsns with more consistent results
Great to see you back PGT! Just got done taking a clone from a bomber fruit thanks to all your lessons. If my notes from your other videos are correct, I noticed you decreased the millet in your ratio to a 1.77:1 from a 2:1. Did something specific change or did you just tweak it over time? Appreciate all your efforts!
@@kraigthirty4991 3 bags of the 2lb yellow popcorn fits in my stock pot which makes 7 quart jars, put the corn in the pot and add water about 2-1/2" above the corn. Get it to a high boil at first then bump it down to a medium low boil for about 35-40 minutes. Then ur all good chief, let it air dry of course then sterilize
@@yjontheway that’s correct. I also believe that because the bags form a vacuum while cooling it seems like the moisture distributes itself pretty well without shaking. That could be totally anecdotal, but that is how it plays out for me.
@@aitordotco to close the bags I use zip ties after I introduce spores, LC or agar. To introduce spore or culture via syringe, I use a microppose self healing injection port and when I add agar to grain I drop it from the top. I don’t seal the bags until after they are inoculated.
I did ``no soak no simmer" method a few times. Here is what you didn't mention as a con -- with this method the moisture will not be distributed uniformly in the jar while cooking. This will make some grains to be overly moist and some overly dry (top vs bottom typically). After cooking it is too late to shake -- the dry grains will never get sufficiently hydrated. In my experience this method only works for fast colonizing beginner-friendly mushrooms like oysters or chestnuts. It did not work for Pioppinos or Lion's Mane or Wine caps.
He did mention that some would retain more moisture than others. Hence the "hot shake" to redistribute the moisture and continue cooking in jar, with a more even distribution of moisture. I believe he said it 3 times. Not trying to be a dick, just gotta pay closer attention, and rewatch one or 2 x b4 attempting so u know you got everything.
for those who wanna fill a the jars 3/4ths full once done use 300g millet to 169.8g of water. 265 g / 150 ml = 300 g / X ml To solve for X (the amount of water needed in milliliters), we can cross-multiply and solve for X: 265 g * X ml = 150 ml * 300 g X ≈ (150 ml * 300 g) / 265 g X ≈ 169.81 ml
I tried this in 2lb filter patch bags with longer PC time, it comes out a little dry so I added an extra 40 ml H2O & all works out. guessing the bags lose more water than jars in the PC for 2 hours to 2.5 hours (90 mins never works for me personally)
Hi :) I just discovered your channel and I'm fascinated. In less than an hour I learned a huge number of things, so thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, I'm very grateful. I have been using brown rice to grow psilocybe mushrooms mycelium, and I would like to know if you recommend this same technique with rice or recommend me more than use oats, millet or bird food. If so, which is more recommended? From already thank you very much. Greetings from Argentina!
I am using oats - trying for 45-50% moisture. Nominal moisture content for the dry oats is 10% so basically adding an equivalent amount of water minus 10-15% - 500g oats 425-450g water. Is you water addition based on the moisture content of the substrate or is there another issue to keep in mind w WBS etc. I am doing various oyster mushroom species.
Hey PGT! Thanks for another great video. What are your thoughts (if any) on NSNS for WBS and contamination from heat resistant endospores? I’ve found so much conflicting info on the topic and I’d love to hear your thoughts!
glad your back sir . i need your help in something .. ( so in this time my coco coir suplly didnt get me some ) so i decide to grow magic on sawdust . i know that magic are secondery consmateur so i add Bran and oats and milled wheat . sawdust is just for humidity and keeping water . and the others for some nutients Ps : i sterilze them . So now i am seeing a litlle mycelium that coming on top . so it s an good idea or just a bad one !
These amounts have worked PERFECT every time for Red/White oats and Rye grain... Ratio by weight: 65%water : 100%grain Half gallon (64oz) 460g oats 300g water Pressure cook 90min at 15psi Quart Jar (32oz) 230g oats 150g water Pressure cook 90min at 15psi Pint jar (16oz) 115g oats 75g water Pressure cook 90min at 15psi
@@modeob88 - I just double checked my notes. Yup, those measurements are accurate. If your grain is SUPER dry you may need to add a little more water. But, that can be injected into the jar later if needed using bacteriostatic water. Philly has a habit of not giving correct amounts in his videos....Such as his video on Coir substrate. The amounts provided are dead wrong. I dont understand why his measurements are so off 🤷♂️. Water:oats = 65%:100% ratio. Whatever your oats weigh, your water should weigh 65% of what the oats weigh. The finished product will increase in volume by about 30%. For example if you use 1L of oats by volume, after adding water and pressure canning, the volume will now be roughly 1.3L inside your jar or bag.
@@__-pl3jg But that is not what are you saying on the previous comment: For example (16oz jar) 115g oats ----> 115g * 0.533 = 61,29 g water -> and you say 75g water. Sorry for being so picky, I've been failing in relation to humidity and I'm looking to standardize the process
@@modeob88 Thanks for pointing out my mistake. It looks like I was misreading my calculator app. I inputted "from 75 to 115" which outputted 53.3%. But now I realize its telling me the difference between the 2 numbers is 40 which hapoens to be 53.3% of 75, lol. Thats my bad. For clarification.....The original quantities are correct but the percentage ratio I shared is incorrect. I've personally confirmed the weights are correct with my last batch. The only problem I had was with my rye grain which came out a little dryer than needed but I simply injected some extra water a few days after pressure cooking which seemed to work well. It's possible the rye grain had lower humidity than the red and white wheat berries when beginning. Keep in mind also that these ratios may be different if using bags instead of jars. I've seen a lot of people use 75%water:100%grain when using grow bags. I haven't used those before so I have to assume they're telling the truth and some of the moisture is escaping the bag during the heating process.
@@__-pl3jg Great thanks for the fast response, in summary we can say the correct ratio is -> 1,53:1 (oats:water) (grams) Im goint to use Oats by the way ,I'll tell you how it works when I finish the process.
I've been using coir/vermiculite with powdered oyster shell and bat guano mixed in. I'm running a batch with some added food grade cellulose right now that's out performing anything else I've ran to date.
how are the results of this vs broke boi tek? I'm just getting started and don't have a pressure cooker, so I was wondering what you think the comparison/contrast of these two methods is.
I am using oats, you say fill the jar with 185gr oats and 215ml water. Assuming that I use jars of different sizes, we can say that it is correct to use a ratio of 215:185, that is -> 1.15 : 1 (water:oats) (gr:ml) ? Thanks
Hey senpai i just wanted to tell you, you're awesome! I've learned so much in your videos and I'm working on my first grow now from spores to finish :)
So I have been using no soak no simmer Tek for a while now and i dont use jars i use 10 T Unicorn brand grain bags based on a video by the humble fungus and in my experience when using the grain bags they do not require a hot shake just thought i would point out some differences on how i use this method! thank you mush love y'all!
What's your millet to H20 ratio on the 10T bags?
I use semicen oats. Triple washed. Rinse them 2 times. Then follow pgt process. I sterilize in an oven dry. I can do about 30qt at a time. 1 hour 300f then 1.5 hour 250. A lot of ppl talk badly on oven tek but if you do it right you will never need a PC. I may get a couple jars contam out of 100. It works
For WBS: if you constantly get burst grains towards the bottom, elevate them out of the water completely. Use a stainless circular 12" drying/steamer rack with at least 2in legs; will give enough clearance so that you can add enough water for the cook (including initial off-vent) and the jars won't be submerged
yeah def raise up above the water or useless fucking grains...good point!
Or 5-6 empty aluminum cans on the bottom.
On their side
Wow, thank you! I couldn’t figure why I had gotten burst grains on my first ever run and it was really bugging me because I followers the tek down to the gram on another video, plus I know I couldn’t have been more than 1-2 psi over 15 at any given point. I’m about to order an aluminum drying rack rn. Much appreciated brother!
Where can I find one of these racks?
I have done this tek with WBS. Works well, and there is a trick to get rid of the clumping at the bottom of the jar. First, you need some good quality oven mits with the heat guard where you won't feel how hot the jar is when it is time to shake. Tilt the jar gently upside down with one hand and gently knock the bottom of the jar so the clumped grains can drop, then shake from the sides and it will redistribute the moisture and everything! After the jars are fully cooled down you can then innoculate all on the same day!
Aaaaaand he’s back….
I just started again in over a year and this video couldn't of came at a better time
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Aaaaaaaaaand I'm gay
I love the no soak no summer tek. I do however rinse my grains first as well as periodically shaking during the cooling process on top of the hot shake. If you don't hot snake then they may not come completely apart later. Rinsing does help lower the clumping some.
I'm thinking of adding a tiny bit of gypsum to see if that helps with clumping
@@wesleymyers8205 It does. Just a quarter teaspoon per quart jar/liter of grains. Sorry this is soooo late. I no longer use this tek myself tho. I dish and some now with better results(less contam and/or soggy). And I use the water after the summer for agar and it works great. Plus the grains are used to feeding on the nutrient by the time it goes to grain and they just take off. agar is 50/50 bottle water/grain water.
@@longfeatherlong8228 I tried simmering and it caused way more popped grains. maybe I did it for too long whats your technique steps? how long do you simmer milo
@@wesleymyers8205 I rinse the grains 3 or 4 times, until the waste comes out clear. I remove all of the "floaters". Then I soak it with calcium for 24 hrs. Then I put that on the stove and heat it up until just before it boils or simmers(when little bubbles start to rise and it's steaming well. Then I pour out the water(saving it for agar late) and put the grains onto a screen or towels. I mix them around every 15 mins or so until they're dry on the outside. Then I jar them up and pc for 2 hrs. Shake when cooked enough to take out of pc.
Dirty jars dont have to be an issue. The dry/wet weight ratio is the only thing that matters so you can just quickly rinse off the grain / birdseed before putting them in jars and weighing out the rest of the water
My recipe for WBS has been:
- 300g dry bird seed / 1qt jar (I look for millet heavy feed with no cracked grain or corn)
- Rinse all the grain in a strainer or bowl until the water is no longer too cloudy to see the bottom easily
- 450g wet weight. Split grain between all jars and add water so that they each weigh out to 450g
thats what I was just thinking too! thanks for your recipe and exact weights
Brett your bird seed grain jars are SOOOO PRETTTYYYY....
Love this, thanks! Any suggestions on weights with JUST millet?
@@scoop3 I haven't tried just millet by itself but I'd start at the same 2/1 ratio and test varying the water from there if it's off
wait wait wait so i can just simply rinse my grain thoroughly and then NSNS and it should be less or not cloudy at all?
might mess around with a popcorn no soak no simmer if you think thatd work in my favor please drop a comment lmao
Great information, man! I did this method the other day with WBS. My ratio was different from yours (230g WBS to approx 120ml gypsum water). I prepped 14 jars that with good success.
And thank you so much for all the knowledge. You are helping heal the world.
Personally I favor a good simmer because the oats I buy aren't the cleanest and it helps clear out a lot of the junk
yeah this is a better route I only no soak no simmer millet, but you actually get a better product soaking for a day and quick simmering before drying the outsides...
Gonna attempt long brown rice with this method now. CAME TO CLASS ON TIME WELCOME BACK
How’d this work?
When i have to choose one yt guide for mushroom cultivation than it is PTG! Never disaipointing! 👌
PGT returns!! Thank you
Perfect timing!!! I've been procrastinating on preparing my next batch of grains even tho it's just soaking. It's because whenever I'm like imma sterilize some grains I have to soak and do other stuff first. Now when I'm inspired to sterilize and can just go right to that in essence now
lmfao thats me also
Same here! I wanted to switch grains up for cost effectiveness and Wild Bird Seed seems to be the way to go! Also like the idea that it is easy to shake, colonized well when innoculated and then easy to spawn to sub. Looking forward to trying this on my next grain run!
Couldn’t have come at a better time! Just got my first PC a few days ago and have been eying some grain to get started! Thanks for all that you do brother!!!
can you do a tour of your lab, and maybe your grow tent setup? I'd like to see how you manage humidity/temperature. I'm also curious how you protect your home from constant high humidity, AND ALSO how you manage spores being EVERYWHERE in your fruiting room when accessing the tent.
thanks for all the great videos!!
Listening on the speaker. My dog thinks it's meal time when you shake the seed🤣
I don't do a soak, but I do like to give my grains a rinse and a simmer. I like to get rid of residue and any garbage on the outside of the grain and then boil for 30 to hydrate.
PGT, you're the man. Got me started on my cultivation journey. 🙏
I screamed. HELLO PGT
I just set some WBS to soak yesterday afternoon! I’m gonna sterilize tonight, but this video will help me out for next time. Thanks bro
The brown rice is where it’s at, had a textbook first grow
Gave up on WBS.
Just did some unicorn bags with millet and some with rye. I found the millet colonised quicker.
Overnight soak, no simmer, then PC for 3hrs.
Sorted!
This guy never disappoints. Has a method for almost everything
I have tried nsns in the past. I didn't know that you could do it was WBS. I have done it with Millet and Oates . Thank you for sharing.🍄❤️
Wbs usually is 90% millet and Milo (sorghum), so carry over makes sense
Great video as always. I let mine soak over night in the jars, shake them wenever I walk past them. Shake them again before PC. 200g red sorgum, 100g wheat with 150ml water.
Nice! Glad to see you back PGT!
I always show up to class on time
If you didn’t already see this on patreon you’re late to class 😜
Your videos are what convinced me that i could do this Thank You So Much!!!!
I only do NSNS teks with my oats.
Perfect every time.
what kind of ratio are you using ? Normally i use 500cc jars (17oz) (500ml)
@@modeob88 hey sorry I totally forgot to respond.
I’m going over my notes at the moment, and I have written out 1oz oats to .75oz of water by weight.
For jars, I do 7oz oats to 5.25oz of water.
Bags I have written 35oz oats to 26.25oz water. I know I tried a slightly higher amount of oats and water this run, but I like to have my grains a bit dry just to make sure they aren’t goop.
best to try a few different ratios to find your favorite! Hope this helped!
I just made some popcorn grain jars with the drippy corn tek. I was nervous i had too much moisture as i could see moisture on the inside no puddling just moisture where the corn sitting so i’m glad you showed us the close up of the grain jars. I’m so ocd and want to succeed on this so i wanted to make sure im on the right track before i use the rest of my PE lc. I need to buy agar plates and liquid culture mix to save some genetics so i don’t have to wait for genetics to show up in the mail plus save money.
I’ve never had a problem with placing the additional three jars on the top layer with the NSNS method, and have done so many many hundreds of times. Just ensure the lid is oriented with the air exchange port toward the top so the water level is safely below the filter.
Wow! I got out of mycology for a bit because of contam, but this seems easy enough to go right back in! Thank you!
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Contamination is an issue with your process. If your not mindful enough to try and understand every step your taking then and its consequences i recommend to not get in to the hobby again.
@@redditman3701 good point! This does look like a shortcut, and I do have much better ways to spend my time than mycology 😊. Thank you.
@@redditman3701 that sounds a little too accusative. If there's a particular problem with the particular environment, and, for example a lack of access to a "flow hood" or something similar, then that's not a problem with understanding. I think it's a little strange how quickly RSN agreed with you and gave up. Surely that's not the result you are looking for?
I have had ups an downs first time no agar work 25% was good second time i did good from agar work while i also made lc from ms that was bad so went from 90% success to 0% success now im at 90% an counting down but realised i dont vent my pc so not sterilizng properly lol fcking love this hobby
Thanks Teach! Always a pleasure watching
you came back😁
Thanks for doing what you do mate.
Thank you for being a part of this journey together 🙏🍄
Pgt is backk yay
Yes this is exactly what i need i have 5 kgs of millet prepared for this moment :D
Thanks for the video! Always more information then I can afford to pay for! Thank you!
Glad to see you again. You and Hamilton Morris are the only two people who show and say it how it is. Everyone else likes to obscure this info or hype it.
Pgt 💕💕💕💕
Thanks philly
You must read my mind!!😂 I was gunna do a substrate video tomorrow!!! Great video my brotha!!!!
Appreciate you checking it out homie! 😎
Ur the man
Awesome video I think all shroom heads think alike I got some bird seed today and I didn't think they needed to be soak I just rinsed mine out and let them set and air dry now about to pressure cook good luck to all of us
Do you think he upload between long mushroom trips in the woods
Maybe! 😄🍄
Trying it today! I even bought a real pressure cooker. Let the unreasonable anxiety of pressure cooking begin!
That's great. It's awesome to have a pressure cooker! Wish you the best, you got this! 🙏
Way to go. Do update us how things are progressing.
Awesome thanks I’m going with this method the only issue is I’ve been using a big tea pot to sterilize so I gotta get a pressure cooker soon! Cheaper and time consuming so my wife don’t get mad when making my medications lol!
I prefer mine to be on the drier side. No soak, no simmer is pretty much foolproof in my opinion. Traditional method actually requires to many things to go right or one ends up with soggy grains. It makes sense too because you're pressure cooking grains.
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It seems to me that a hybrid of NSNS and traditional soak/simmer would be best. Why not still wash the grains before jarring them for the NSNS? Seems like you'd get the best of both, cleaner less sticky grain with the ease of sterilizing/cooking the jars at the same time. Also, with the traditional soak/simmer it seems very easy to overcook the grain if you're boiling it and then also steaming them for 90 mins
All American 941 can do fifty half pints, with a low heat for five hours and a 90 min cycle . No hot shake
Would NSNS TEK also work with boxed brown rice? Thanks for all the help with theses videos!
Plain brown rice you don't need to soak, a quick 10 minute simmer then drain rinse and pc works a treat and is only about 20 minutes more active time than nsns with more consistent results
Great to see you back PGT! Just got done taking a clone from a bomber fruit thanks to all your lessons. If my notes from your other videos are correct, I noticed you decreased the millet in your ratio to a 1.77:1 from a 2:1. Did something specific change or did you just tweak it over time? Appreciate all your efforts!
Nothing specific, just tweaked it over time.
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher what are those stainless work tables/shelves you use in front of your hood called?
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher at what patreon level do we get access to your tutorials?
@@VMKinnovations the pgt fam tier and anything above it
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher tks...you well deserve the top tier anyways...that was a brain fart from me 😆
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I'm popcorn through an through but I did buy a couple bags from Walmart I can try now thanks to ur vid🔥
if you do nsns popcorn what popcorn to water ratio do you use? thanks
@@kraigthirty4991 3 bags of the 2lb yellow popcorn fits in my stock pot which makes 7 quart jars, put the corn in the pot and add water about 2-1/2" above the corn. Get it to a high boil at first then bump it down to a medium low boil for about 35-40 minutes. Then ur all good chief, let it air dry of course then sterilize
Great tek, PGT. I do the NSNS with WBS in the unicorn bags. I have had much better success in the bags than with the jars.
Is it because you can break the grains apart easier and redistribute the moisture?
@@yjontheway that’s correct. I also believe that because the bags form a vacuum while cooling it seems like the moisture distributes itself pretty well without shaking. That could be totally anecdotal, but that is how it plays out for me.
How you close the bags? And how you introduce the spores inside? Thanks
@@aitordotco to close the bags I use zip ties after I introduce spores, LC or agar. To introduce spore or culture via syringe, I use a microppose self healing injection port and when I add agar to grain I drop it from the top. I don’t seal the bags until after they are inoculated.
I haven't been getting your videos in my feed. Keep up the content tho it's really good
Thank you PGT. You are one super badass dude!
Honestly love the mircophone
Long time no see glad your back.
Spitball's Quick Rye Prep... an even better alternative.
I did ``no soak no simmer" method a few times. Here is what you didn't mention as a con -- with this method the moisture will not be distributed uniformly in the jar while cooking. This will make some grains to be overly moist and some overly dry (top vs bottom typically). After cooking it is too late to shake -- the dry grains will never get sufficiently hydrated. In my experience this method only works for fast colonizing beginner-friendly mushrooms like oysters or chestnuts. It did not work for Pioppinos or Lion's Mane or Wine caps.
Yup i failed on this one using golden mammoth they colonized fast then got wet rot a week after
He did mention that some would retain more moisture than others. Hence the "hot shake" to redistribute the moisture and continue cooking in jar, with a more even distribution of moisture. I believe he said it 3 times. Not trying to be a dick, just gotta pay closer attention, and rewatch one or 2 x b4 attempting so u know you got everything.
PGT in the place to be good to see you my bro
Ive never done nsns but will give it a go🤘
Amazing! Thank you!!
he is back probably not for long but hes back
for those who wanna fill a the jars 3/4ths full once done use 300g millet to 169.8g of water.
265 g / 150 ml = 300 g / X ml
To solve for X (the amount of water needed in milliliters), we can cross-multiply and solve for X:
265 g * X ml = 150 ml * 300 g
X ≈ (150 ml * 300 g) / 265 g
X ≈ 169.81 ml
Rinse the grains before loading them and it won't be gunky or dirty when finished with PCing
I tried this in 2lb filter patch bags with longer PC time, it comes out a little dry so I added an extra 40 ml H2O & all works out.
guessing the bags lose more water than jars in the PC for 2 hours to 2.5 hours (90 mins never works for me personally)
Ok so I see bird seed is a option. I have like bird chicken feed I get by 50lb a bag. I was curious if I could use that.
Hi :) I just discovered your channel and I'm fascinated. In less than an hour I learned a huge number of things, so thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, I'm very grateful.
I have been using brown rice to grow psilocybe mushrooms mycelium, and I would like to know if you recommend this same technique with rice or recommend me more than use oats, millet or bird food. If so, which is more recommended? From already thank you very much. Greetings from Argentina!
PGT has a brown rice prep video as well.
@@TeaTellyWMaria Thanks Maria, I will see it :)
This can be done in grain bags too right?
Is this NSNS method good with bags?
Why not rinse before you don’t soak? Seems like that would clean up the small particle problem
is it possible to wash the bird seed and do everything else the same? could really save me some time
Hey!!!
I am using oats - trying for 45-50% moisture. Nominal moisture content for the dry oats is 10% so basically adding an equivalent amount of water minus 10-15% - 500g oats 425-450g water. Is you water addition based on the moisture content of the substrate or is there another issue to keep in mind w WBS etc. I am doing various oyster mushroom species.
What’s up fam? Hope you’ve been doing great!!! 🙏🏼
I'm doing well! Hope you the same. 😊
Ayeeee 💪
Impossible to get an All American open while it's still hot.
Millet is good for cubensis?
Hey PGT! Thanks for another great video. What are your thoughts (if any) on NSNS for WBS and contamination from heat resistant endospores? I’ve found so much conflicting info on the topic and I’d love to hear your thoughts!
Thx brother 🤗
After shaking them while hot, what is the minimum that should be waited to inoculate?
Time will vary. You just need to wait until it is room temperature. If the outside of the jar is warm, the inside is hotter.
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher Thanks bro! Your youtube channel is the one!
glad your back sir .
i need your help in something .. ( so in this time my coco coir suplly didnt get me some )
so i decide to grow magic on sawdust . i know that magic are secondery consmateur so i add Bran and oats and milled wheat .
sawdust is just for humidity and keeping water . and the others for some nutients
Ps : i sterilze them .
So now i am seeing a litlle mycelium that coming on top .
so it s an good idea or just a bad one !
Thnx Philly
These amounts have worked PERFECT every time for Red/White oats and Rye grain...
Ratio by weight:
65%water : 100%grain
Half gallon (64oz)
460g oats
300g water
Pressure cook 90min at 15psi
Quart Jar (32oz)
230g oats
150g water
Pressure cook 90min at 15psi
Pint jar (16oz)
115g oats
75g water
Pressure cook 90min at 15psi
Its interesting that you are proposing a -> 1,5:1 (oats: water) ratio but Philly recommends 1:1,16 (oats:water) (more water than oats )
@@modeob88 - I just double checked my notes. Yup, those measurements are accurate. If your grain is SUPER dry you may need to add a little more water. But, that can be injected into the jar later if needed using bacteriostatic water. Philly has a habit of not giving correct amounts in his videos....Such as his video on Coir substrate. The amounts provided are dead wrong. I dont understand why his measurements are so off 🤷♂️.
Water:oats = 65%:100% ratio. Whatever your oats weigh, your water should weigh 65% of what the oats weigh. The finished product will increase in volume by about 30%. For example if you use 1L of oats by volume, after adding water and pressure canning, the volume will now be roughly 1.3L inside your jar or bag.
@@__-pl3jg But that is not what are you saying on the previous comment:
For example (16oz jar)
115g oats ----> 115g * 0.533 = 61,29 g water -> and you say 75g water.
Sorry for being so picky, I've been failing in relation to humidity and I'm looking to standardize the process
@@modeob88 Thanks for pointing out my mistake. It looks like I was misreading my calculator app. I inputted "from 75 to 115" which outputted 53.3%. But now I realize its telling me the difference between the 2 numbers is 40 which hapoens to be 53.3% of 75, lol. Thats my bad.
For clarification.....The original quantities are correct but the percentage ratio I shared is incorrect. I've personally confirmed the weights are correct with my last batch. The only problem I had was with my rye grain which came out a little dryer than needed but I simply injected some extra water a few days after pressure cooking which seemed to work well. It's possible the rye grain had lower humidity than the red and white wheat berries when beginning.
Keep in mind also that these ratios may be different if using bags instead of jars. I've seen a lot of people use 75%water:100%grain when using grow bags. I haven't used those before so I have to assume they're telling the truth and some of the moisture is escaping the bag during the heating process.
@@__-pl3jg Great thanks for the fast response, in summary we can say the correct ratio is -> 1,53:1 (oats:water) (grams)
Im goint to use Oats by the way ,I'll tell you how it works when I finish the process.
does anybody have the exact water-to-grain ratio for rye berries, for some reason , yettis seem to like rye berries :)
Hey I send you love brother :)
I've been using coir/vermiculite with powdered oyster shell and bat guano mixed in. I'm running a batch with some added food grade cellulose right now that's out performing anything else I've ran to date.
do you have an ingredient list? portiors? thanks
What would the ratios be for rye and sorghum for this method?
how are the results of this vs broke boi tek? I'm just getting started and don't have a pressure cooker, so I was wondering what you think the comparison/contrast of these two methods is.
@o if i do 50 50 itll be to dry for oats
I am using oats, you say fill the jar with 185gr oats and 215ml water.
Assuming that I use jars of different sizes, we can say that it is correct to use a ratio of 215:185, that is ->
1.15 : 1 (water:oats) (gr:ml) ?
Thanks
bro I was literally just thinking about purchasing some wbs as I've only used oats
Why don't you use a lid modified with an incubation port as well?
Hey senpai i just wanted to tell you, you're awesome! I've learned so much in your videos and I'm working on my first grow now from spores to finish :)
Same
What about rinsing them good before hand but still no soak? I’m trying it like that gonna see how that goes.
Can I do this with popcorn?
Yes, it should be possible, but some of the ratios for water may need adjusting. Worth a few tests to try! 🙏
Can you use metal lid with a ring? Do you still need to drill a hole in the lid? Thanks!😊