Topical dutasteride. Does it work?
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Great video man. I just filmed a topical dutasteride video last night lol, funny coincidence seeing this pop up.
Nice to see you Derek
The Hairloss extended universe is expanding
if you cant save our hair, you can be damn sure to avenge it
Thanks homie! Looking forward to seeing it. My subscribers are fans of your channel and so am I so It is great knowing you've seen some of my content. Thank you kindly for the positive feedback.
@@haircafekevin i thought the interaction between you two when you face each other for the first time would be like . One of you guys saying . If you are not with me then you are my enemy . Then you both pull out your finsteride and dutasteride light sabers and begin to duel . I was very mistaken . Lol
@@theexperimentasd904 that is so funny 😂 you should be a director
The Man(n), the Myth, the Legend!
Thanks a lot for providing us with your content sir! I hope you are doing well. Im reaching the 1-year-Finasteride mark and already gained so much positivity about how my hair looks prior to taking fin. My hair pretty much stabilized and my once balding crown made a nearly full recovery. I just want to thank you somehow Kevin. I wish you a happy and hairy new year and may the hairgod be with you my friend!
Thanks man, the fact that I am reaching out helping fine people like yourself build up the confidence and knowledge to tackle this problem is thanks enough.
Appreciate your feedback.
1mg a day?
I’ve been taking topical dutasteride but I don’t think it’s working. The last few weeks I’ve noticed my hair is worse. I might just take finasteride.
@@ForzaTerra89 that means it’s working
I really like these videos man, keep em coming!
Good to hear!
Agree with the assessment that we could probably stop hair loss for 90% if everyone got on finasteride before it begins, but most people don't start researching and accepting they need chemical intervention until the loss is significant. So the majority of people looking for answers aren't just looking to hold onto what they currently have, but to find a way to recover what they've lost.
truer words have never been spoken.
I just turned 18, should I start when I’m 19? I have good hair genes and my dad had good hair till his mid early 30’s, he just had a widows peak
Collab with MorePlatesMoreDates!!! The meetup of the century!
I agree, I have to see how my bench press compares to his.
@@haircafekevin Collap fitness + hairloss wise ASAP
OK, I'll contact him and tell him that whomever deadlifts less weight has to "JuST ShAve It Br0!"
@@haircafekevin Why would the loser have to shave it? I mean afterthat you look like Jason Statham, the winner should shave it! JUST SHAVEI T BORROROOR
+ just grow a beard and build muscle ahhahahahahaha
Hey dude, absolutely love your vids. Bringing a bunch after randomly coming across your channel. Love your work!
Just commenting for the algo . Keep up the great work you are doing Kevin , you are saving many men from years of indecision by providing just the facts not fear mongering .
I truly needed this video.
Hey Kevin. You and The Hair Loss Show really inspired me to start taking Oral finasteride backing in March. I started combining that with Minoxidil topically in May. I'm really starting to see results beyond my imagination. Just wanted to say thanks my man and keep up the great work 💪
What kind of changes did you see
I love your passion in these videos
Thanks Kevin, I had some nacebo effects, especially since I incountered balls pain side effects, it's around 99% gone right now, I reckon is a week or two more(been using like 8 days), I was afraid it won't go away and began developing nacebo effects.
After watching your videos most of it gone.
Also had HT done, so a fin is a very smart idea, even though dermologist told they don't see any current balding.
Cheers!
@Pep genetically very high hairline.
Nw2-2.5 from childhood, with puberty recession it advanced to nw3
Love your honesty and all. Yes I am playing CyberPunk 2077 on PS4 and designing my character was the most interesting part. The game is actually good to me, but time will tell as you said. My message was endorsed by Finasteride. Lol. Hope ya 2021 is better than 2020.
we meet again Mr. Finasteride
I wanna say thanks to this man because I use to watch hair guard alot and did natural hair loss treatments and was nervous of minoxidil and fin but I’m 17 and I went to the dermatologist and I’m getting blood work and one year supply of fin when I’m 18 Thank you !! I was scared before I watched your videos
And you got me caring about my skin more from your skin care video and I’m on a routine as well for my hair and skin
Great to hear that!
"Good Korea"
Got a kick out of that
aahha
Hi Kevin! Happy New Year! Been following you for a long time especially for the content about hair loss prevention. I have seen your video about your skin care routine as well and I am curious about tretinoin. Do you think it can have negative effects such as triggering hair loss? I know it's also used in combination with Minoxidil to actually increase hair growth. I think you did or are still doing this as well? Just came across a few articles that mentioned hair loss due to tretinoin. Maybe you have more insight on whether it is safe to use. Keep up the great content and have a wonderful New Year!
Hey Kev, would you ever consider looking into oral minoxidil again? It seems to be growing in popularity; especially with the hair loss show guys in AU consistently recommending it to many of their patients, but at a dosage of 0.625mg. A quarter of the dosage I seem to remember you saying you tried in the past but got bad sides on. Do you think this dramatically lower dosage could be far safer but still very effective?
Not worth it man
Hey Kevin great video as always! I have a question. I started taking 1mg fin 2 weeks ago 3 times a week. Is it a big deal if I change my dose to 0.5 mg 3x a week? I'm not sure because I'm kind of scared of the side affects (if they occur). Or should I just keep going with the pace I do now?
Second this question
Any opinion on these guys thinking of doing the same
Hey Kevin, i've been on Fin and then upgraded to dut for over a year now, and i've noticed that i've developed a bit of enlargement in the breast area, i'm wondering if I should go get a blood test or mammogram before I end up looking like Nikocado Avocado?
Don't think it is possible to look as bad as that avocado turd dumpling...but yes, check estradiol levels and if they are elevated maybe go back to a reduced dosage of fin or look into asking your doctor about tamoxifen or an aromatase inhibitor.
@@haircafekevinAvcocado turd dumpling 😂😂😂
Hey Kevin I was wandering how effective minoxidil would be in restoration of the temple points. Would the results be good enough to fade?
Starting finesteride tomorrow offically! Sadly i’m only 18 with a bit of a messed hairline but i’m hoping for the best! Thanks for your straight forward and unbiased videos
Fantastic to hear! Hoping you have a lifetime of glorious hair.
@@haircafekevin Thanks Kevin! I just got my prescription here in Canada and it costs $60 for 30 1mg tablets! Would it be ok to take 0.5 MG of fin so I could double the amount I get from a supply or should I stick with 1mg?
@@Lamb02 Did you get sides?
Update?
@@runokati3668 No still haven’t.
Hi Kevin, you are the reason I'm taking finasteride for over a year. Having amazing results. Thank you very much for that. What shampoo would you recommend for daily use? I'm also vegan. Thanks in advance!!
That is great to hear, I just use a pyrthione zinc shampoo to keep my scalp healthy.
Kevin, thanks for all the great content. Been on fin 1 mg ed for 6 months. Noticing my hairline is thinned out a bit more, but I don’t see any noticeable ‘shedding’ per se. any thoughts?
6 months is a bit soon but maybe throw in minoxidil too if things don't improve.
I'm going to start finasteride in 2021 along with rogaine. I'm going to need an RX for it. From a dermatologist. Thanks, Kevin I learn a lot from the channel.
Thanks! Good luck!
@FearlessRevolution minoxidil alone won’t save hair
Why start with both at the same time? Why not just start with fin and see the result. Then you know if it works and also if you need to add minoxidil.
Five finasteride a year and then decide regarding minoxidil
@FearlessRevolution minox can’t bring a hair back. If that was the case why even use fin? Only thing it can do is to maybe thickening them a bit and extend the growth cycle making it appear to be more hair on the head.
That is the danger with only using minox. People think they save or get hair back when in really they just got overlapping growth cycles. And as more and more hair in each cycle dies and thins out in the end you will still be balder and balder.
Best is to start early with fin and keep the hair you have. Then if you already lost a bit yes then you can add minox to thicken and have longer growth periods. But just minox only help for so long.
Also fin bring back hair of course. Depending on how far each folicle has miniaturized it will for sure bring back some. I had plenty regrowth over my first 3 years on finasteride. But finasteride do not affect the growth cycle.
@@litjellyfish because I'm losing my hair
Have you heard of or are you aware of any Minoxidil shortages currently? The prices are going up pretty rapidly I’ve noticed on Amazon and Walmart. I’m referring to the generic Minoxidil as well, not Rogaine. Thank you for all that you do for us guys and the hair battle :)
Kevin, do you think you could make a video on retrograde alopecia? Apparently a lot of people have it but it seems like there's not as much info on it.
I would be very interested too
Thanks man! Fantastic video as always! What are your thoughts on mesotherapy with dutasteride? It is becoming kind of a trend... Do you think it is worth it?
Hey Kevin , i finally got a prescription for finasteride thanks to you. I have global thinning but i still have my hairline, although it is noticeably thinning at my temples. Question, I’ve been using minoxidil for 6 months, with no noticeable improvements, maybe just reduced thinning. Should i stop taking minoxidil now that i have finasteride?
That is great. If you are sure you have had no results from minox then yes you can stop.
Definitely give fin a shot.
Any results from fin?
For the algorithm, love the videos Kevin keep em coming
The fact that I fired up witcher 3 today of all days and you’re wearing that shirt, great video man 👍🏼
Was hoping someone would notice! Played a bit of Switcher today...so amazing.
Just subbed, great channel and info. What is your current hair loss regime? Just started fin 1.25mg EOD for NW4 and after a year will see where I stand and get a hair transplant to fill in any areas that haven't filled in.
Damn lipid coated dutasteride sounds pretty promising, but why no further studies?
Hey Kevin in terms of side effects, would you recommend stop taking/flushing finasteride out of your system for a week or month before lowering your dose?
No, no need. Fin has a short half life, it will be out of your system in a few hours although it keeps DHT suppressed on the scalp much longer.
Hey Kevin thanks for your content. I have been using Finasteride and minoxidil for 11 months now, my hair loss has been stabilized ever since with little bit of improvement, but i am still seeing lots of hair everyday (20-30) while taking shower. Do you think there are other causes for the shedding ? Or it's just normal shedding ?
20-30 hairs is totally normal.
@@litjellyfish even if i shed every day?
@@HaMaNezam yeas more or less. How do you shed? So they fall by themselves and you scout them floor? If so that might be an issue but if they are on the pulling from pulling the hair, combing or washing no worries.
@@litjellyfish no i have never seen or noticed any hair shedding unless i comb it or wash it.
Hey Kevin what was ur shed like for finasteride, because I know u said u started noticing results after 10 months, but at what time did the hairs stop falling? I’m on my 7th week and they are shedding a lot still, the hairs that fall I notice are curled, which I didn’t have before and it doesn’t seem like the rate of hair fall has slowed down either about ten hairs come out every time I run my fingers through my hair, what was ur experience like
Hey Kevin, good stuff again! You mentioned that fin sides subside in most cases, i've been taking 0.25mg 3 times weekly and first 6 weeks I had increase in libido and then it started gradually getting lower and lower, it was even hard to get an erection at one point, I feel like things are slowly going to normal but too early to tell yet. Do you think it is just because fluctuations in hormones the first few months? Are there any studies that go more in detail regarding the topic?
How is it going now? Did you continue taking it, still having sides?
@@adria9663 Hey, I take 1.25 mg daily now. To be honest, i don't feel any side effects, except maybe a small decrease in libido but nothing serious. I have noticed some baby hairs growing, but I still lose lots of hairs some days, I guess you go through phases of shedding by increasing the dosage
I am a young guy and sometimes even before i took finasteride i had periods where i had stronger erections and sometimes weaker (softer) erections.
In any case it might be in how frequently you masturbate, maybe it is normal to have periods where this happens, maybe there are other outside factors.
Maybe this is all in your head, who knows, could be a placebo.
Just don't panic, that will make everything worse
Can you clarify if the extent of 5AR inhibition of both Fin and Dut is dose dependent? As in, if a small amount of either of these used topically hits the bloodstream does it deactivate the enzyme/hinder neurosteroid production until the drug has cleared or does 5AR recover faster after using 0.1mg fin vs 1mg? I know DHT tends to recover faster, but can we assume that 5AR has been restored by that measure alone?
This biochemistry gets pretty complicated. The amount of 5AR inhibition is dose-dependent up until all the 5AR sites are saturated. After that increasing the dose further shouldn't make a difference. The recovery time seems to be pretty long after the 5AR sites are bound. Thus the effects don't correlate that well with the serum half-lives of the drugs. All this is hard to measure and it's easier just to look at serum DHT for the effect of topical 5AR inhibitors.
Dear Kevin, please can you write a little about the effects of using finesteride for those who are prediabetic or already have type 2 diabetes? Thanks!
What do you think of using Avodart + Alfatradiol? Since Avodart reduces DHT, is it possible that the increased male hormones are converted to female hormones due to Alfatradiol?
Kevin, glad your back and enjoying your holidays! Just wondering I’m currently using rogaine and want to start using fin sooner rather than later. However me and partner are currently trying for a baby. Would you wait before starting fin? I get mixed messages online. Thanks man!
Thank you! Fin can lower ejaculate volume so yes it can slightly affect fertility but it is not like it is birth control.
If you are worried about having reduced semen volume then maybe try a lower dose, like 0.5 or 0.25 mg every other day and see how that works.
Better have a baby then start the fin. A few months wont gonna make a lot of difference
The premise of topical dutasteride is that the applied dose goes systemic to a smaller degree and when you tune the dose enough the systemic dose's half-life will be significantly shorter on serum while the full effects can be visible on the scalp. If you can tune the dose that can yield to 0.1 mg systemic absorption, -according to Gisleskog- your DHT levels will return to normal one week after the application. And if you apply it once a week, you can get the scalp built up with the dutasteride while the serum DHT shows very little fluctuation. To add, liposomal dutasteride is available for everyone to get via a prescription (ofc) however we still see some amount of systemic absorption even though the frequency helps with preventing build-up. As someone who cannot tolerate finasteride, topical dutasteride worked extremely well and I have nothing to complain about as of now. Some of us cannot take finasteride, this is the reality. Wish you went deeper into the subject as it can aid a lot of people like me, who cannot use finasteride.
I'm glad topical dutasteride is working for you. I am just trying to review the research that is available, not to discount anyone's positive experiences.
I can't wholeheartedly endorse something because people tell me they like it or else I'll have to start taking crap like the Growband seriously because there are people who say that has worked well for them too. When more research is available on topical dutasteride I'll be happy to review the subject again.
I can only work with what I am given and like many areas of research in hair loss the data tends to be incomplete.
@@haircafekevin There is a Discord server with some anectodes and DHT tests in it. discord.gg/2fRxHk2 We would like to have you there as it's very interesting and possibly the only way for some of us to stop or slow down hair loss. Happy new year
Awesome video Kevin! If you were going to impregnate a woman, would you stop taking finasteride while working on conception, or has it been shown that males on finasteride at conception, don’t have any negative outcomes of baby’s health? Thanks
Thanks, It is safe, just don't let your partner touch the fin. Doesn't matter if you take it.
Sometimes fin can reduce ejaculatory volume but it isn't birth control, you can still knock your partner up if you get the nasty on with her but if you are having issues, lower the dose maybe under a doctor's supervision.
Hey kevin i’m using 0.5mg 3 days per week (1.5g total) do you think that’s ok? I’m going low dose because i only suffer from hair loss on the temples and it’s not that much. Thanks man!
Yes, 0.5 mg of fin suppresses only 8 percent or so less DHT. Still a very effective treatment.
Can you make a video how to compound CB-03-01? which can already be obtained for reasearch purposes. Also, any way in which we can support your channel??
hey Kevin, unrelated, but where do you get your Stemoxydine from? It's hard to get in the US, and with the long shipping from EU and small bottles, it almost seems like I have to order in bulk to even use it consistently. What do you do?
I usually order in bulk. Have you checked ebay and Amazon?
Hey Kev, I saw in a comment on another channel some asking about a rumour 'that fin can cause facial changes because of low DHT' have you heard of this? sounds absurd.
another question: do you think that gene editing technology like Crispr could one day allow us to simply 'turn off' the baldness gene?
HNY from Aus!
It will have effects like that if you take it during puberty but after it won’t
Kevin what do you think of using topical fin with my oral fin. Is that beneficial or efficient?
Do u think if finasteride isn’t strong enough that hoping on minoxidil would bump ur hair into a state of good enough blood flow to keep ur hair and stop shedding?
What to do then if the gold standard of fin + minox does not cut it for stopping hair loss? Trying ru currently without any effect so far either.
It probably is working? You may not be getting regrowth but at the very least it is slowing the damage down.
Dutasteride, clascoterone, fluridil may all help.
@@haircafekevin Thank you for taking the time to answer. I am somewhat scared of the neurochemical effects of dutasteride, as well as its increase of test in the scalp. If clascoterone would actually get on the market at a reasonably high dosage I'd jump on that asap but for now, I can't afford it. Am also way too young for a transplant. Guess I'll have to 'just shave it, bro' sooner rather than later.
Hey Kevin!
Is it okay to mix stemoxydine and minoxidil together as a topical? I noticed your hairloss routine you don't mix them but rather use them separately. What are your thoughts of mixing them together?
Im thinking of making a 1 in all soultion with finasteride and minoxidil and stemoxydine
Yep, no issues whatsoever. Texture is a bit different but no negative interactions.
Rise and shine, Mister Mann- rise and... shine
Kevin, I have some RU but ordered it in the KB solution .. wanted to try that first before I made my own with the powder.. Can I mix that with liquid minoxidil without issues ?
Yes, put the minox in the freezer, it mixed the RU better.
when you apply topical dutasteride do you just apply it to the top of the scalp or do you have to apply it to the entire head? I just dont want to over use it and start to have it obsorbe systemically by applying it to the sides and back of the head. thanks Kevin
Nah, just apply it to the problem area. 5AR activity is local so you shouldn't need to saturate your scalp.
Hey Kevin, I have been on finasteride for 10 months now, in the early months of treatment it seemed effective however now it seems that my vertex is continuing to thin? Could this mean there may be another underlying cause for my hair loss or finasteride is not enough. Thanks for another great video, all the best in the new year!!!
I might consider uptitrating, depending on your dose and whether you are having any sides. You probably should consult with your hair doc. Happy new year to you too and thanks for watching.
Hey Mike I suggest you see a dermatologist and get a scalp biopsy. They can uncover other issues that may be exacerbating your male pattern loss
What did you go with ?
Hey Kevin, really appreciate all the info you put out! I've been on 1mg Fin pour 6 months, and the balding is not slowing down and I feel at this point I would be past any "shed" period. What would you suggest could be my next option?
if you have done it longer than 3 months, try adding 1 pill of dutasteride a week with your finasteride regimen for another 3 months and see if it changes anything
also use minoxidil
have you gotten your COVID-19 vaccine yet?
Hey Kevin I was wondering is there any truth behind the link to hair loss and a chemical found in a lot of shampoos DMDM hydantoin?
That is an interesting question. Frankly I don't know but I will do some research on it.
Had been on fin for about 4-5 years. Switched from fin to dut as I felt my hairline receding harder. Serious shedding at 1 month in. Not looking better. Should I give the dut the full 3 months or switch back to fin at a higher dose (1.25mg a day already)? Thanks Kevin.
I'd just stay on dut. You switched treatment so it isn't unusual you'd get a shed. Just tough it out and give it a few months.
After it stabilizes if you notice no improvements beyond fin might as well switch back.
Also make sure you are using brand name Avodart. Lots of bunk generics on the market.
@@haircafekevin really appreciate. You’re a godsend.
@@alexbell8865 any updates? Hope it's working for you!
@@MarkusGebhard continued the dut without fin for another 3 weeks and the “itch” was getting insane. I got back on 1mg fin and left .5mg dut once a week. I had slowed down on RU but got serious again with twice a day applications. Been working to stay more consistent with needling now. I get in 3 sessions a month at 1.5mm. Really make my scalp red and I can feel the nizoral burning the itch away. It feels thereputic. The “itch” is gone and in my experience, that’s a good signal treatment is working. Thinning has slowed down noticeably. Hard to tell if I’ve gotten any regrowth as I have long hair already. I’ve been battling hair loss for a long time and at first fin alone did the job, however as I enter my 30’s, and I continue to spend more on treatments, at what point is the transplant the better route? Already take fin+min daily. Been doing a lot of research and that’s probably what I will do. My daily treatments along with future options really calm my insecurities. Channels like this literally help improve the quality of my life.
@@alexbell8865any further update about your hair?
Going to the derm to try and get my prescription for finasteride on the 6th, I've noticed my hair in the early stages of recession for the past 3ish months, your channel has been incredibly informative and lowered my anxiety about the medicine. Excited! Do you think that it's possible to have irreversible recession in the span of 3 months?
Thanks and sadly yes. When you lose ground there is no guarantee you will regain it with drugs. That is why it is best to take action before losing ground.
@@haircafekevin well if that's the case no big deal it's not bad yet
Hey Kevin , quick minoxidil question! I am taking minoxidil Foam for almost 7 months now . It Works great, density improved a lot.
But unfortunatly i have side effects from day one Till now. Even when i Stretch out the dose Intervall to 48 Hours i have the side Effects like dark circles, bloated Face and the Wohle Time. It Looks that it works although i take it Every 48 hours. The Side effects only go away After Nearly 72 Hours .
I am using 200 mg of Foam Every 48 Hours because i am a diffuse thinner. But have the Same effects at lower doses. My question : is it possible that it works that way since the half live in the Skin is 22 Hours or am i shitting myself and Can stop with minoxidil ? Also i am Nearly 20 Years on Finasteride with good results.
Thank you and greetings from Germany😉
Does results from RU58841 gains stay after you stop using it with oral dutasteride ?
Yeah, possibly since they both target DHT.
@@haircafekevin Could you elaborate?
Kevin Celine, can you tell us some more about some people saing they have very dry skin afther taking Fin? And about dermaeoling procedure ?
Thanks for all this useful info. I am going to go full vegan soon, are you planning on making some more video recipes? I'd really appreciate it.
The vegan videos aren't my most popular, for obvious reasons, but I would like to mix it up with more non-hair loss content.
Hey Kevin, you just wrote lot of bonk generics on the market. I'm in Germany getting Dutasteride Generics from Sweden. Should i switch to Avodart?
If they are from legit pharmacies they are probably fine. Avoid online sketchy pharmacies though.
@@haircafekevin thanks Kevin, appreciate your help. i was lucky enough to have a chilled family doctor who is prescribing me dutasteride.
My hair lord Kevin . Im using fin once every other day in combinaton with foam minox( everyday) for the past 4 months , and got pretty good results in first 2 months , and recently , liike 1 months ago , i started using dermaroller , and my progress got stale .II wouuld like to try using dutestaride , but im thinking taking the pill like fin , every other day , because its pretty expensive for a year supply.What you think?
Ha, "lord" is certainly a nicer title than asshole which is what my co workers sometimes call me.
Anyways 4 months is too soon, give it 6 to 10 months and if you really feel like you are losing ground go ahead and add dut, every other day is fine but don't do so thinking you will for sure get regrowth. Maintenance might be the best you can hope for.
Nuking androgens doesn't always cause regrowth. Even bald castrates don't regrow much hair (i.e. Jason Blaha)
Hey Kevin I am taking 001.dutasterite with 7 percent minoxidil and tretonin and biotin and also taking a finasteride pill in the morning it seems to be working pretty good got from a dermatologist what do u think about that formula
Hi, love the videos, I was wondering if I was forced to stop taking finasteride as result of sides would my androgen receptors have had become more sensitive to DHT and consequently my rate of hair loss would increase once a stop taking it as a result ?
No, very very unlikely. Reflex hyperandrogencitiy can happen to some people theoretically but it is temporary and extremely rare.
Dunno if you've discussed this but have you personally experienced side effects from finasteride?
There are studies and a guy who says 20% azelaic acid is good idea to mix in with alfatradiol, would hurt right? How about Tretinoin,Retinol or Hylauronic acid for hairloss what would help even a tiny bit?
won't help against hairloss but will stop your face skin to age for atleast a decade lol
Hey man, great video as always. I would like to hear what you think about this: i let my hairline recede and the top of my head diffuse and now i am using finasteride, and just started RU58841. I started RU cause i want to gain back my thickness, and hopefully some of my hairline. Do you think that i am able to stop using RU58841,and just stick to finasteride (1mg/day) or do i have to keep using the RU to keep what i potentially gain with it (similarly to minoxidil)?
You just started RU? You can stop it. It might help a little bit but you'd be better off adding a growth stimulant. Minoxidil works really well, especially for diffuse thinners.
Just massage it in really well.
@@haircafekevin the thing is, i really dont want to use a growth stimulant like minoxidil, the reason being that i do not like the idea of making my hair dependant on a growth stimulant. I am hopeful over a ”cure” for baldness in the future or at least a wonder remedy, so i do not like the fact that my hair gets dependant on growth stimulants. I would like to halt the hair loss using anti-androgens cause as ive understood, as long as you switch out an anti-androgen with something equal, you will maintain your hair, because it is not the substance itself that your hair gets dependant on when using something like RU, its the anti androgenic effect thats stopping it. Hence why I’m asking if I am able to stop using RU after gaining anything with it and just sticking to finasteride to maintain the gains from RU. But now that I think about it, I”ll probably have to stick to RU58841 to maintain what I get with it, (my problem seems not only to be DHT but Testosterone also, which needs to be locally supressed) or maybe switch later on to something like breezula (when it is available), right?
@@ray01015 Yeah, all anti androgens have similar outcomes even if the mechanism is different between say RU and Breezula VS fin and dut.
I wouldn't expect much regrowth nuking your DHT without a growth stimulant though. You'll get some regrowth and definitely stop further hair loss but keep in mind even castrates don't regrow much hair.
@@haircafekevin ok boss, i’ll keep on going for probably 2-3 months and just see what happens. Im hopeful that I may be a hyper responder. In the meantime I hope to see some more great videos from you and keep up the hairguard bludflow jokes they are fucking hilarious.
@@haircafekevin and thanks for the feedback
Hey brah I'm glad that i can talk to you
I've been taking finasteride from 2.5 years and minoxidil from 8 months my hairline still receding any hope to prevent it 😔
Maybe add a topical AA like fluridil or alfatradiol mixed with 20 mg of RU (for research).
@@haircafekevin thanks brother
Maybe finasteride is gold standart but I kindly welcome any alternative that doesnt seem to affect serum hormone levels as much yet still yeld significiant effects.
Hey Kevinmann also how long do I have to wait after applying alfatrodiol to apply minoxidil to get the effectiveness of both medications?
Thanks
Alfatradiol dries very quickly, 30 minutes, 60 minutes tops. You can apply minoxidil very quickly afterwards.
Hi, i want to start taking topical fin cause with oral i experience sides libido and anxiety and the doctor told me to apply 0.025% fin and 5% minox what do you think about that dossage of fin?
There is a study that used 0.025% in a solution similar to minoxidil and it showed some effectiveness with no systemic absorption. Another study using a different vehicle on the other hand caused full serum suppression like oral fin.
what do you think about using dut once per week combined with fin daily, as an upgrade?
It will work.
Is there a difference between RU and finastride ? is there any point in stacking them or do they have the same effect?
Thanks Mann no pun intended 😉
RU is a direct anti androgen and fin is a 5a reductase inhibitor which blocks dht.
There are potential uses for stacking them like for steroid users or people who are very sensitive to hair loss but fin should be enough.
Kevin, you said that you experienced your finasteride shed pretty Late I think you mentioned month 7 or something like that, do you remember how much hairs did you lose befor you too it when you too it the first 1-7months and then After month 10 or so? I am currently losing 30hairs a shower. I am 19years old 6months on fin 0.5mg and a Norward 1.5-2. Would appreciate an answer
30 hairs isn't even a shed. Normal healthy scalps lose 50 to 100 hairs per day. I wasn't counting but I was clogging the sink initially on fin. Stopped at 6 months and I saw noticeable improvements at 10 months
@@haircafekevin is there a hair Count in the shower where you would conclude: I am stabil in my Hairloss or does it depend on the individual
Any side effect topical dutasteride? My english not good enough, I couldnt understand, please summery answer.
Hey kevin great video. Im on topical finasteride diluted in with some stemoxydine. I take 0.5mg a day and it works great and it reduces my shedding straight away (I think its bcoz im a diffuse thinner). The only problem is that after a while (maybe 2 weeks), I noticed massive drop in libido and felt very numb (for like 2 days at least). But when I stop taking it for 3 days or so, my libido comes back. I just had a few queries:
1. What's the best option to mitigate side effects? Perhaps cycle finasteride (so use it and then stop for a few days)?
2. Can this treatment (finasteride with stemoxydine) used as a stand alone treatment?
Thank you.
1. I'd use it every other day at the same dose and failing that lower the dose by half. Side effects will usually go away on their own though so it might be better just to tough it out.
2. Probably for most people but some people may need an adjunct like minoxidil. Stemoxydine is an OK growth stimulant but not as powerful as minoxidil. It works differently though so it can be stacked.
@@haircafekevin Thanks Kevin. I really appreciate the reply. I reckon reducing body fat percentage will also help bcoz body fat percentage is on the higher end which doesn't help.
Hi bro, if we apply topical dutasteride on a specific area for a particular bald spot will it affect that particular area or the entire scalp ??
Hey, Kevin, I hear this weird thing about getting a vasectomy can stop or slow down hair loss. Any backings to this? Maybe could be a video idea for you to do?
V nice video , bro can I take dutasteride 0.5 mg twice in a week for better results n without any side effects please reply
Where can I get topical dutasteride or oral dutasteride?
Does it make a difference if someone takes the generic version of Finasteride/Propecia or should they get the brand name?
They are the same.
Amazing content man! Are you some sorts of pharmacist or work within the medical field? Keep going !
Hey Kevin, great video! By chance, what do you think of HairLossTalk forum?
Thanks, I used to post there. Was a good community of like minded people just looking for answers. Twas good times.
I hate minoxidil. Having to put it on every day pisses me off and seems like it’s better when applied twice a day for me. It’s expensive af here in Australia and is a bitch when camping with mates and having to apply it before I go to bed in a tent or not at all bring it. Idk if it’s just me but I feel like where I apply minoxidil fluctuates and some times goes real thick to a short period to sometimes noticeably a little thin.
what's your view on melatonin for hair loss?
I have baby face due to my small chin, recently I started losing hair. So I want to save my hair. Can I use finasteride? What should I expect?
Are you still on RU? And do u think it could give heart problems from as low as a dose as 20 mg
Probably not for a dose as low as 20mg, but people who use 75-100mg likely will.
So it makes more sense if your a bodybuilder and cycle (blast and cruise) testosterone) then dutastaride would be more effective as 500mg per week of test would convert higher than a normal natural test levels. So dutastaride and RU would be most effective for a testosterone user? Does anyone know a reliable source I can purchase dutastaride?
Is there any DHT blocking supplements whether topical or oral that you think have ANY efficacy? My Dr is saying fin is not for me and I shouldnt mess with it. (Something with my medical history) He says he prescribes it regularly but he doesnt think I should (he is a general doc not a hair dr) - I know theres a lot of snake oil out there, but is there anything worth taking?
You mean natural shit? No.
Get an opinion from another doctor. Finasteride is safe.
If you really cannot use it then look into fluridil and alfatradiol.
@@haircafekevin Ive had a history of some health stuff so yes I was wondering about natural stuff. Im def not a snake-oil buyer in general, whats why I was wondering if anything even had 25-50% of the benefits of Finasteride but was natural. Not surprised that they dont but would have been nice to at least get whatever gains I get. Like I said, the Dr isnt against it, he prescribes it regularly, but hes saying for me specifically (he knows my health history well) he would advise against it. He even sells Minox at his office so its not like hes anti drugs or anything
Just curious about your opinion, been on fin for about a month now everything was fine until I saw a propecia help forum than had a bit of a shut down lol, do you think its all in the head or should I stop?
I would stop looking at the propecia help forums.
Definitely do not stop .. just take it and forget it .. I’ve been on fin for 5 months now and I have 0 side effects .. hair fall has finally started to slow down .. usually takes 10-12 months to finally see benefits beyond baseline .. bottom line, do not let that forum scare you .. stay on the fin, monitor your results and ensure you exercise and eat healthy and you will be fine 🙂
Currently on Monday .05 mg dut, Wednesday 1 mg fin, Friday 1mg fin, Sun 1 mg fin. And Tuesday 0.05 mg dut and so on. What do you think should I up my dut to 1 mg a week?
How are your results so far
Kevin, Have you seen the new topical Dut from Xyon? (Dr Hasson) It’s a gel that uses nano delivery technology to help the larger Dut molecule penetrate but also stay in the scalp and not release systemically as much as other delivery methods.
I haven't but I'd be skeptical. Dutasteride even when injected directly into the scalp via mesotherapy is still much less effective than oral.
Kevin I have been on oral Dutasteride since January ,I was thinking of adding topical Dutasteride ,will it make any difference and improvements? PLEASE I would like to know your opinion.
No, oral dutasteride is good enough. Topical is redundant, especially on top of oral.
14:50 lmfao I can't stop hearing the word "bludflow" in my head😂
Having much greater success on Dutasteride than the 9 years that I was using Finasteride. I'm 65, so it's helping my BPH as well.
great result then..btw..how many dose do you take on dutas..? tq.
@@ArifImran156 I take the daily standard dose of 0.5 mg.
@@petermusto3704 Hi does this femininize???
@@kushyisrael1652 - No. It also helps with Prostate issues as mentioned earlier.
I have been taking 1mg finasteride a day for 2years with no side effects. I hoped on dutasteride 2months ago and I recently started suffering decreased libido and loss of morning wood. Did you suffer from any of these side effects?
Hey Kevin, Merry Christmas!
In your opinion can increasing finasteride dose cause an increase in shedding?
I upped my dose to 1mg daily about 2 months ago and feel like my hair has gotten so much thinner since
Merry Christmas to you as well.
Honestly I don't know for sure but I doubt it. 1 mg of fin only suppresses 8 percent more dht than 0.5 mg so it is pretty negligible.
@@haircafekevin might be time to add dutasteride once a week then! I was thinking of taking it 1x a week and fin the other days
I should add i was previously on 1mg 3 x a week, not 0.5mg fin daily
I personally believe I experienced a shed as well moving from 0.5mg to 1mg, very slight one however.
@@zivkodanicic4221 yeah i think that might be the same for me, thanks a lot!
Long term effects of RU 58841?
What about using oral fin combined with topical fin? Since you still have DHT on scalp after oral could using topical clean up the access like RU?
I talked about this in my oral vs topical fin video. Fin has diminishing returns and topical fin absorbs systemically so the results are likely just further reduced systemic DHT, not further suppressed scalp dht.
@@haircafekevin that makes sense thank you. What's your current go to topical antiandrogen? Been loving Cyberpunk btw!