"Cinematic" lighting for 2 person 3 camera interview set-up.
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- čas přidán 8. 02. 2024
- Meet The Gaffer #336. Working with LA based DP Liz Charky, using some of my favorite tools for soft, directed light in an intimate setting: Kinoflo Freestyle Air and Tube units. A very simple set-up, but also very clean and segmented so that each fixture has a specific role, giving your DP the control they want.
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Great breakdown! Looks even better in 1:1!
Ha, ha! Kinda different🙂
It's nice that you had a grid to work with here. I think it would be interesting to replace the cross keys with a single lantern skirted to keep it off the back wall and compare the results. Pulling cross keys on location, we usually have to limit the amount of standage. A single lantern would help with that.
It was considered, but then you have less ability to change the output if reflectance of either subject is different. You can add diffusion on one side or whatever, but in a tiny space with top level execs in the chair it is far better to have individual units that you can control off set while they settle in and you make last tweaks. But to your point, it would be a way to minimize the forest of stands.
Every client that has asked me for "cinematic" lighting has been below the age of 40. I smile and say...."you bet."
I really missed the opportunity to have someone grab an image of the 3-up on the monitor while we were sitting in. The request to do a quick episode was from the hip and the camera folks were already breaking down. I try to shoot this kind of thing at lunch rather than at wrap exactly for this reason. That I get anything at all is often a miracle.
All this to say that the result actually was a more nuanced set of frames than the way most internal corporate sets are lit. Internal crews are often between a rock and a hard place because they get last minute requests and need to be ready to go at the drop of a hat, hence often have a ring of fire that will provide general and acceptable illumination whether it’s a single person stand up, one to four person interview, or product demo. We had some time to shape the light and we had fun doing it in the time and space allotted.🙂
@@meetthegaffer If you all had fun lighting, then it was a great day indeed.
Yup, always try to have the goal of having a good day😀
Very nice.
Looks great, the two units that re being cross keyed - are they both kinoflow freestyle air maxes? I can't find that soft box and grid set up for them
Yes. They are DoP Choice brand box and grid.
wow - crazy "round" space - also acoustically (flattering sound?). I wonder if the scratch lights being non-directional anymore by putting the diffusion over the grid - probably not very high level?
I also see the some kinos (select 31`) hanging on the edge of a c-stand arm (tipping-wise?)...
For that size of job, what was your transport vehicle for that?
The diffusion on the outside was a silly last minute tweak to help add a layer of something soft rather than just dim. Thankfully it did what we wanted, even though not ideal. The old housing back lights with Freestyle tubes are offset on bagged c-stands. Those units are very light.
I brought everything in my normal 2-ton grip truck. It’s easier to bring the whole truck rather than guess what will be needed. As it was, even though there was a grid, I needed to add a section of 8 ft speed rail so that I could hang the two Air Max Mats exactly where I wanted them. If I had thrown a few lights in a car I would not have had the rail available. Also, the location was about 10 minutes from my house and parking was ample😉
nice :)
For the short 2s with the old housing and feestyle bulbs, how hard is it to revamp that housing and put the fresh bulbs in? I just got some selects, but I was completely unaware that youre able to reuse them and put those LED lamps in :o
They pop right in. The housings are not necessarily optimized for these kinds of tunes, but they certainly work.
You'd have to get the new wires for the LED tubes and switch them out for the florescent cabling right? I imagine they'd need a new ballast too, can't reuse the Select ballast?
That is correct. You strip everything out and only use the housing and backing plate. They make new housings for their LED tubes, but if you have old ones sitting around it’s a great way to reuse them.
A little tip about the Freestyle tubes is that they have a handy slot in the back for pins that Kino sells which slot in at any point on the back of the tube. The tubes are also extremely light and great for rigging if you have a way to hide the cable. And you get illumination from each end of the tube that most other tubes don’t give you.
There are square and rectangle shaped control boxes which are interchangeable between tubes, freestyle 21, 31, and 41, as well as the Air series mats.
I would love try this same look on a 0 budget.
Maybe something like those mat lights???
It could certainly be done with Nanlite Pavoslims or Amaran flex units, but the faces of the fixtures would be smaller and more specular. It would not be $0, but it would be cheaper. You could fly an Amaran F22c in a lantern in the middle, between talent and somewhat farther back skirting off the background, but then you wouldn’t have as much control if you need to attenuate the light for either talent.
Square video is interesting... But i did enjoy the video and discussion with the DP
Yes, that was an oops that I didn’t catch during the quick decision to capture an episode at the end of our day when everyone was itching to wrap. I just handed the Osmo to Andrew and he pressed play🤦🏼♂️
Doesn't diffusion outside the grid negate the grid?
That’s why it’s goofy😂 I couldn’t add larger diffusion either because it would have entered the frame of the side cameras. It was a last minute attempt to slightly augment the lighting and luckily it worked🤪
Was it as flat looking as the BST footage ? any screen grabs ..
No, the Osmo, even with exposure brought down in post gives it a higher key look. Plus we didn’t tweak for our skin tone.
@@meetthegaffer ah thought so . Any chance of an actual frame grab to see how it looked in camera . Looks a good and relatively simple set up.
Sorry, no, I missed that opportunity because the cameras were already being broken down and the actual footage is NDA.
One of the problems with the Osmo 3 (and wide angle lenses in general) is the "Giant Hands Syndrome" at 4:26
Ha, ha! I actually love that😀 There is nothing more simple than whipping out that Osmo and rolling. Not perfect, but I’m looking forward to getting to know its optimum use case. Being able to hand it to almost anyone on the crew is a big plus. That said, I do need to set it up better ahead of time.
I’m very interested in the Kino Flo Air products, but their marketing and distribution is very weak. Its hard to find videos or even ordering info for the panels. It makes me concerned about product support.
What area of the world are you in? I go through a local area reseller, JCX Expendables, they support the product should it need repair, updates, or new accessories. If you don’t have a reseller in your area, maybe give JCX a try?
jcxex.com/
Kino Flo (or JCX) don’t pay me to say nice things about them; I just really like their products, people, and commitment to detail, while pushing the technology forward… perhaps not always at the breakneck speed we want it to go🤣
@@meetthegaffer Thank you for the recommendation. I’m in the Boston area. I suppose I could order the light through B&H, but I would like a better idea of it’s use and setup. You are the only one with any videos that I have seen on the fixture. I have Kino LED’s and these look like a nice option for upgrading from the Selects, but it seems like this line is almost DOA based on the very limited coverage since they were announced.
@CaseyPreston This is the kind of feedback Kino Flo should be hearing. I’ll find you an East Coast contact.
For more Kino Flo info you could contact Stephen:
Kaye Lites
attn. Stephen Kaye
781.932.0005
info@kayelites.com
Someone needs to watch “Meet the Soundman.” Wtf
It’s true! I hadn’t used the mini DJI mics with their internal recording mode before, but just added lavs and pressed record. They recorded very low. The main audio comes from the actual Osmo, so it gets louder as you get closer 🤣 I’m always trying something new and often too quickly because I’m trying squeeze things in where no one has allotted time. Imagine having a dedicated crew for your BTS!
@@meetthegaffer thats when crew for BTS is bigger that the crew for the actual customer ;-)
@morsmediatv-undfilmprodukt3958 Exactly. I was the only one in G&E.
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