Shawn Porter, Paulie and Chris Make Their #1 Pick
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- Shawn Porter, Paulie Malignaggi, and Chris Algieri as they reveal their top pick in the world of boxing. In this captivating discussion, these renowned figures in the sport dive into their choice, analyzing the fighter's skills, achievements, and potential in the ring. Their insights offer a unique perspective on who stands out in today's competitive boxing landscape. This video is a must-watch for boxing fans eager to hear from some of the sport's most knowledgeable and respected voices.
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0:00 Intro to "Deep Waters" on ProBox TV
0:20 Discussion topic: Light Heavyweights
3:00 Fan base intelligence and how big wins influence rankings
5:01 Divisional Dynamics
7:00 Beterbiev and Antonio Tarver.
12:55 Impact of popularity and career phase on perception
14:50 Matchup analysis: Michael Spinx vs Better Bev
18:17 Past light heavyweights and the excitement for future matchups - Sport
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Tarver to beat Beterbiev ? Hell no . He would get stopped under 8 rds
There bias
TARVER VS BETERBIEV IS A DRAW.
Tarver crushes and sleeps beiterbieb is 4 rounds.
@@ftldontquit4 Your drunk
Lmao laughable to think garbage tarver would beat betebiev
Shawn Porter has the brightest front facing light I've ever seen
😂
They crazy as hell 😂 I got Bertibev by KO no way in hell you avoiding them bombs 💣 for 12 rounds
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@@IncognitoJohnDoeIf a smaller Canelo made him timid just Imagine how much more Bertibiev will make him hesitate
its god
If the beterbiev that’s been showing up is in the ring against Bivol … beterbiev smokes Bivol by the 8 th … tarvar wouldn’t last 5 with beterbiev
I agree I had Bivol winning all day before But Beterbiev is a killer,I'm not sure Bivol could take those shots for 12 rounds ?
@@Lennox032 The question is: will he be forced to take those shots for 12 rounds? I don't know the answer, and I don't think anyone else does either, no matter what they say.
@@shakes.dontknowwhatyergettin no he can’t take that punishment but here the answer.. if your getting hit continuously the ref steps in .. doesn’t have to be a knockout to be a tko is also a ko loss … ref stoppage is a ko loss .. not saying that im a guru and that beterbiev is going to win but based on the recent fight beterviev is deadly in all ranges and knows how to counter just as good as bivol .. you can’t sleep on either fighter but I give bivol the edge only on foot work and range all the other attributes I think personally beterbiev nullifies or is equal to bivol .. may the best man win.. my money is going on beterbiev he actually collected more belts that means he fought the better opponents .. canelo was just a famous name on bivols resume .. the dude is a tiny man .. I even think canelo is small for 168 but that’s a topic I don’t wanna get into just saying he’s not at the level bivol and beterviev are on… I really think if canelo would have fought beterviev being canelo is a prideful fighter and has a chin.. he would have gotten seriously hurt .. seriously hurt !!! I like bivol and beterviev the same but I made my choice .. can’t wait for the fight im sure you’re as hyped for it as I am blessings let’s pray for a barn burner 👊🏻👊🏻💯💯🙏🏻
Porter left the blinds open or summm, dawg is bright as hell 😭
It seems people forget the Zurdo Ramirez, Joe Smith, Jean Pascal
Exactly, they’re talking about Beterbiev’s record like it’s light years ahead of Bivol’s. It’s a toss up who’s fought the better competition at best.
I believe Beterbiev destroys Bivol.
Your belief is well warranted I too believe Beterbiev corners and destroys Bivol 🥊🥊
@@falconesports1581 your Probably right hopefully we get to see that fight this year!
I love both Bivol and Beterbiev. I discovered Beterbiev first and forget which fights I watched early in his career but he was and is so strong, patient and relentless with pressure. Bivol doesn’t have the power Beterbiev has, but his footwork and hand speed is amazing. They are both greats with different styles.
Usually I favour the faster boxer. If Bivol can punch and move and never allow Beterbiev to plant his feet he could dominate. I am just not sure that it will play out this way in the ring. This is what makes boxing so interesting. You never know until they get in the ring. Can’t wait to see them fight!
That fight would look like the Marcus Browne fight
Who? Prime Roy?
@@Superwavy Tarver
@@SOSC
Agreed 💯
Chris Bivol hadnt fought for 13 months not 2 years lol
Betterbiev beats Roy and Tarver easy in their primes. He has the complete package. The way he wins is really impressive, very different from these guys from the past.
He doesn’t beat Roy Jones in his prime but definitely beats Tarver
His style dismantles these guys
@@Superwavy being a natural light middleweight doesn't help in any way hitting a much bigger elite fighter with a 100% KO ratio against much bigger guys, no matter what your speed is. Its two different sizes and with the bigger man having more power/size ratio than the other one.
Roy is going be too quick, Roy would a UD in a exciting one though
@@xandretuber7030Roy won a heavyweight world title bro, Jones would play with him
Everyne thinks they have a chance until Beterbiev touches them.Then everything changes.Tarver would have gotten slept .Very easy work.
Exactly.
Y'all forgot that Beterbiev whooped Usyk, and his footwork is better than Bivol's😂
Eh Usyk won ¿???
I could've sworn it was the other way around.
Beterbiev beat usyk twice and dropped him (got robbed once)
@brendanmcghee5893 they fought 3 times. Beterbiev won the first. Second was close, and Beterbiev knocked him down but Usyk ended up winning, same happened in last fight. Close, and Beterbiev dropped him.
@@tanjianforevereither the second or third fight was a robbery, cant remember which one.
Who wears sunglasses in the closet? 😂😂😂
A guy sitting directly in front of a bright front-facing camera ring light
I mean you can clearly see the sun is hitting him directly thru that window lol
@@petercruz537 bro he's a millionaire I'm sure he has drapes or curtains he can use
@@petercruz537 why not just close the curtains?
@lamart3857 why close the curtain if can wear cool sunglasses
Y’all got Roy and Tarver defeating Beterbiev.😂😂 that makes no sense if we break it down…. Beterbiev walks thru anything Tarver sends his way Beterbiev smeshes Tarver and Bivol …
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Prime Roy was a GOD, I don’t think anybody but Roy beats Beterbiev
sure buddy@@Superwavy
@@alihatem8794
Casual
Roy Jones prime not many all time have a shot vs him.
Couldn't it be as simple as this: Beterbiev has more belts so he should be ranked #1?
Nah I think it's who you beat, that's more nb
Beterbiev's got better names and belts
@@yangazilwa1183 Fair enough.
Two great fighters.Cant wait to see them meet up.
I think Bivol is the kind of boxer puncher who could give Beterbeiv all kinds of trouble, but Beterbiev is a very good boxer with great timing and distance qualities adding to his awesome punching power. In the end i just feel Beterbiev will eventually catch him. It just takes one for him. Bivol did beat Canelo, but he is undersized at 175 and against a slick boxer with a light heavy punch, he was out of his element. Beterbiev is a really strong light heavy with very good skills.
I didn't understand why it takes 24 mins to tell us the outcome.
Bivol takes the early rounds, then Beterbiev catches up by about rds 10-12.
Adonis Stevenson George, lets get a show on him. He doesnt get enough love !!
All these guys are great so these fights could possibly go either way. Also, Eastern Europeans never get their just due in the Western media. Beterbieve is 38 and at the end of his career, yet he is still looking better.
How don’t Eastern European get their credit and Usyk, Lomachenko and Bivol won fighter of the year? That’s the highest prestige you can receive
I wouldn't be surprised if prime roy jones jr wipes the floor with both bivol and artur on the same day😂💔
This conversation is why I wish Jones either retired after the first Tarver fight or stayed at Heavyweight and made the Tyson fight. I'm only in my 40s and never got to see Prime Ali, Holmes, Frazier, or Ray Robinson, but I did get to see replays of the last few fights of Ali as they would run on TV, and Holmes actually fought until I was in my 20s. I understand that the Ali and Holmes I saw weren't the same guys that people praised in their primes. As I got deeper into my love of the sport I looked up those old fights and saw what made those guys so great. Prime Ali and Ray Robinson are the best fighters I've ever seen, but Prime Roy is the best I've ever seen with my own eyes. Prime Roy was something different. Roy's chin was never the same after the second Tarver fight. Roy was rocked or dropped in every fight after the Tarver fight win or lose. I stopped watching after the Danny Green fight because it actually hurt my heart. Roy could have finished his career 49 -1 with the 1 being a DQ if he went the Mayweather route, but instead, Roy loved the sport. Respect King.
I agree, I think Roy was the most Gifted Boxer Ever , it was a sad decline , in his prime he schools every fighter 100% 🥊
He shouldn’t never went down to light heavyweight, he should’ve went to cruiserweight and campaigned there instead
Roy ducked every bad style match up his whole career. Refused to unify with ANYONE at 169 because they were all dangerous fights and he always handpicked his opponents. Gullible fans fell for it 100%
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Not many talk about Adonis Stevenson. He was a great older champ that defended his title multiple times.
Had he faced and beaten Kovalev he would most definitely have been better remembered(and I say that as a Montrealer). It's a crime they never fought when they were both at the top, whatever the reasons and excuses were on either side.
Remember that The Ring striped him of the Ring belt because he fought no one in the top ten ratings for years (of course the WBC didn't because Stevenson was a Hayman fighter, think Charlo, Wilder). The man had skills but completely blew his championship reign with nobodies.
How paulie see the matrix and not john wick? 😂😂😂
I'm thinking of Toney- Beterbiev fantasy.
Who ever has more belts is the best but skills is different category
I'll take resume over belts any day, every day, ALL DAY.
Paulie cannot hide his hate on Saul. (Poor guy)
Count Bivol out of this match up at your own peril...Beterbiev is a monster but Bivol is also a special guy. This fight is 50/50.
@ 19:08
This is what they actually believe about Beterbiev vs Roy & Tarver matchups.
the question is can bivol take beterbiev punches for 12 pounds, i see beterbiev tko bivol
Paulie sometimes really shows his brains when he explains other guys are haters and bias alot
At moment no one can survive 12rds with arthur
Man please 😂 We all know Beterbiev would obliterate all of those dudes😂 Beterbiev is the very reason why they all retired 😂
Bivol is waiting for beterbiev to get old
Damn straight.
Picture Paulie against Porter as a preview of Betebiev vs Bivol. The power can be overwhelming at times. Paulie gave it a helluva shot, but Shawn was too strong
The way i see... Its like arguing who would win between Batman(Bivol) vs Beterbiev(Superman). Strategy vs Strength.
Technically, the lineal champion is the number 1 fighter in the division, Beterbiev until Bivol beats him, then he can consider himself the best at 175.
Artur has the best jab in Boxing, he will jab and touch Bivol like no other fighter. Bivol gets KTFO like the rest of em # victim 21💪
James Toney vs Beterbiev would be a hellava fantasy fight.
How do you see Spinks-Tarver?
I do think Bivol will beat Beterbiev but, that body shot that Lyndon Arthur landed on Bivol that gave him pause, Beterbiev would be a fool to not look at that and fancy some body work
Beterbiev and Bivol used to sparr back in russia, people who been there said Beterbiev used destroy Bivol
Paulie's not alone; not only do we all have blue balls wanting to to see dream matches of the past, but we have blue balls wanting to see current active fighters fight that will never happen 😢
so much of this depends on how big the ring is when they fight.
I am not a fan of fantasy fights however, if Artur Beterbiev beats Bivol, Opitia, and Usyk Beterbiev will go down as the greatest fighter of all time and I truly believe he could do it. Unfortunately, Arthur's age is not on his side but with Saudia's money, it is possible to make this fights. Thanks .
Michael Spinks is one of the greatest light heavies ever, remember he took shots from Larry home and gave Larry his first defeat. I think Larry won the second fight.
In the amateurs talk would pick Antonio? Do some research into arturs career and his body of work as an amateur. He was the gold medalist of 08 who was robbed in China. And he has several Olympic medalists, even gold medalists, on his resume.
I had to scroll for this comment. I don't think he got gold at Olympics, but yes, he was a world champion at amateur. His resume at amateurs is elite, Paulie on a pointless rant. I agree with middleweight Roy being untouchable, however, light heavyweight Roy different ball game, especially coming down from heavyweight.
@@Em-nf3nt I’m aware he didn’t officially get the gold. What I meant was: he got robbed against the gold medalist in China. And he was the fav to win that gold. He dropped dude 2 times and dominated. It was one of the worst robberies in amateur boxing like the Time with Roy. So me, that’s an uncrowned Olympic medalist. He was a very dominant internationally known amateur who had beaten several Olympic gold medalists, several future medalist and some of the best amatuers of his era. Paulie is doing his usual shit lien you mentioned. And Roy would’ve been an interesting fight. But tbh, Artur has much superior fundamentals and it would be a 50/50 prime for prime I think.
@ghost8726 I don't think I've seen a fighter as well rounded and scary as Artur. I have bias towards Roy, 90s was his era. I totally get 50:50 fight because from what they say, if he wore Roy down and connected, that would've been a wrap.
First their needs to be blood testing for one year for steroids for both that would make it a even playing field then once that over may the best man win.
None of them have even come close to failing a test. We’re not waiting another damn year for this fight
Yall praising Beterbiev and rightly so but the man is 39.. imagine how good he was in his physical prime when he was 5 years younger but didn't get the promotional push he deserved
Don't remember Roy in his prime - hmmmmm- "Ya'll musta forgot!"
Beterbiev annihilates Bivol whenever they fight 💨🥊🥊
Paulie got beat up by artum lobov😂
Someone smokes a little bit Ganja here! Tony just lost 6 fights & spoils two fights; Comparing with 100% knockout artist who has 300 armature fight at highest level who defeated current heavy weight camp Oleksandr Usyk as well. These analysts from the west have no clue; who only fight amongst themselves You will find them no Gold from Olympic very reason!!!
The last guy Beterbiev fought was 6'3 NEVER stoped as PRO & AMATEUR and he finished him
Roy Jones made professionals look silly
Beterbiev is a beast. And he is crafty. Subtle but very methodical. Bivol is also great boxer but the heavy blows of beterbiev takes the win.
Yall should ask can Bivol beat the opponents Beterbiev has went up against please ask the question 🙋♂️
Lol Canelo living rent free in Paulie's head
Bivol will get stoped in the later rounds (9-11)...to beat Arthur you must hurt him, get his respect..!! And to do that you need more then boxing skills. You must have the power as well..!!
George will pronounce Paulie's last name correctly one of these days.
None of the light heavys been this dominant at Arthur’s age. Beterbiev stops all except Roy in his prime.
I think PRIME Roy would give Beterbiev enormous problems, he was too powerful and too fast and explosive. I don’t see Beterbiev beating PRIME Roy
Рой застаивался у канатов часто, этот момент мог бы использовать Бетербиев.
Paulie thank you for Roy seg. On point Roy Jones #Unmatched
James Toney vs Beterbiev
LETS GOOOO
Bivol vs Beterbiev could be our modern day Hagler vs Sugar Ray !
Shawn looking like R.Kelly..
Tough one I say bivol
For now as he is more versatile but can’t overlook artur power
Beterbiev s nick name s King Arthur. I m from Montreal which is where he lives.
Tarver vs Beterbiev would go the same way as Browne vs Beterbiev. Another tall, strong fighter that got wilted by Beterbiev's relentless pressure.
When did Callum Smith become the measuring stick? The guy that, despite the obvious size difference, that the hype train Canelo walked through. After Bivol walked through him. After comprehensively beating Rocky Smith Jr. Who rates when mentioned with Beterbiev but suddenly becomes not rated when mentioned with Bivol? And of course if only we could replay the Canelo like hype surrounding the invincible ‘Zurdo’, and the supposedly inevitable danger to Bivol, due to the Beterbiev like heavy hands, skillset and huge size difference. Bivol schooled him. All the things that the invincible Beterbiev is ‘so amazing for now learning’, Bivol learned ages ago. He must be more amazing then.
Bivol got caught by Joe Smith Jr against the ropes, and was only saved by the bell. So, using that as precedent, I expect Artur B will do the same. Bivol will do well - until he gets caught. He'll only do the fight for the bigger pay, after assessing the higher risk of permanent damage. I feel sorry for him as he is classy.
Just had a thought after hearing Paulie. Beterbiev V Canelo. That would be a barn burner. Too bad the weight difference would favour Artur too much
The envy that Paulie has towards canelo is out of the stratosphere
Beterbiev is a hard hitter, but it’s not an explosion. He breaks things, he’s heavy handed. Bivol’s movements will be needed, feet and body. Antonio beating roy was questionable only because roy went heavywt just prior, where the world is slower. Roy lost his speed advantage as a result and speed was his forte.
If the WBC doesn't want sanction the fight and strip Betervieb, I'll be more than thrilled to still watch. If Suliman doesn't want a piece of that pie, who cares. We will still know who the real top dog in the division even without that belt.
Mark my words, Bivol will do a number on Beterbiev, and unlike most of the casuals spouting on here, I will tell you why.
AB is a decent boxer but not a great one…
In the Gvosdyk and Yarde fights he was behind on the cards when he got the stoppages.
People seem to overlook that AB does not seem to have one punch knockout power, and his knockouts were more from an accumulation of punches.
He also squares up often , when coming in.
He has a good hard jab. And a 1” reach advantage over Bivol
AB best work is at mid to close range, and he throws a lot of hooks and cuffing punches.
He is very strong physically.
Now turn to Bivol.
Bivols first advantage is his footwork.
He makes people miss with a terrific pendulum motion, and counters in an instant any mistake, while his opponent thinks he is safe and out of range.
This leads in to the next advantage, speed.
He is much faster and technically his jab is one of the best in all of pro boxing.
He is also statistically the least boxer in all the professional boxing at 13% connects.
Underestimate a great jab at your peril..
I think he will land consistently first .
This allows him to disrupt his opponents rhythm, and, unlike most opponents, he will not stand in front of Beterbiev and let him dictate the distance or pace.
Bivol does hit quite hard as David Benavidez stated (a lot harder then Gvosdyk he said), remember he was 11 of 14 wins.
He stated himself that he likes to box an opponent if he feels comfortable , rather than going for a knockout which while not as entertaining for the fans, makes sense, and could suggest why he has not had a knock out in nearly 6 years, but consider this he hasn’t had a remotely competitive fight on the score cards during that time either.
The final point is that beterbiev has never gone 12 rounds and certainly never has had to chase a guy the way he will with Bivol.
Chasing and punching thin air is very tiring.
We know Bivol has a terrific gas tank, and can move for 12 full rounds without slowing up. (Joe Smith Jr and Ramirez)
It remains to be seen whether AB can do the same ..
I think this will be similar to Spence/Crawford in that power is only useful if you can land it, and in this case, land, it consistently.
The odd shot here and there will not be enough, and I suspect Bivol will make him pay for every mistake, and the longer the fight goes on, the more he will be dominant in it.
This is just my opinion, but I see so many advantages for Bivol which many people simply ignore, because they believe AB has knocked everybody out so far.
For the perfect example, look no further than Ali versus Foreman, where people were concerned for Ali safety before the fight, and look what happened there…
Porter looking like a killer lol
Bivol will out box him, Bivol has better footwork can control the centre of the ring and has a better work rate, Bivol on points.
Where would people consider RJJ as prime? Many great top names around when RJJ was going through weights that he didn’t face, then he got slept at 175…
The hate that paulie has for canelo is laughable, lives rent free in his head 😂😂
Artur had over 200 amateur fights, I think you underestimate him especially in his youth.
Shawn high as hell
Bivol's jab is amazing, it will cause problems. I don't see Beterbiev getting inside.
Andre Ward could have moved up to light heavy and spanked Artur
Tarver definitely gets stopped , beterbiev showed some Rea patcience and timed his shots his last fight gonna be hard to beat if he fight mike that
It is going to be a good fight. This is a fight that I have no idea who wins. They are both in my top 5 pound for pound list. Bivol moves in and out so good. Beterbiev beats the fight out of everyone. Can Bivol move in and out flawlessly through the fight? If there is one fighter who can his name is Bivol. Can Beterbiev beat the fight out of Bivol? I can not wait to find out.
When Smith threw punches Beterbiev stopped coming in. He got killed becuase he stopped punching.
Joey Maxim would’ve gave them all work in a 15 round old school light heavyweight fight he wins some of them too for the record… 🥊🥊
I think Bivol is good enough to defeat the beast. That being said, nobody would be surprised to see it go the other way.
It amazes Me how Paulie takes every chance he gets to have his KingNelo hate rant..he must wish he could hit as hard as him 🤔😅
I’m glad to see Paulie taking his commentary career very serious😃and he’s funny😂more than his 💩 boxing career🤦🏻♂️Hey George don’t get him started or he’s going to start blaming his lack of commentary skills on the judges🤦🏻♂️
Beterbiev vs. Tarver, you have to lean towards bs Beterbiev because Tarver was up and down. A motivated Tarver was tough to deal with. But, Tarver was not always motivated, that was his struggle.
11 title defenses is alot
Not one of them pronounced Beterbiev right lol
Bivol beat CANela, Beterbiev would've ended CANela
Those Russians are the kings of 175
And there gonna be the only one king soon
I like both of em though, it's hard to pick one
May the best man wins
I think Beterbiev beats anyone at 175... from any time period. I'm nearly 50 and have been watching boxing my entire life.
After the Canelo fight it was revealed that of all the usual pound 4 pound suspects Bivol got hit the least of all of them. He is not going to be standing right in front of Artur & he has seriously fast hands. And he can fight like that for 12 rounds easy. And as good as he looked against Smith, Artur is still 39 yrs old.
Wrt to Tarver, at one point his record was 27/6. Which version of him would show up? Beterbiev, on the other hand, is a model of consistency.
Paulie got a lot to say about canelo in all of his shows don't get that slap he gave plant