Daniel Cormier, Ariel Helwani Debate DC’s Top Fighters List - MMA Fighting
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- Daniel Cormier and Helwani got into a friendly debate over their top 5 fighters of all time when DC appeared in studio on The MMA Hour.
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DC not having Jon jones on his list is wild but not surprising 😂😂
if you get caught using steroids, our of the question period.
did you even watch the video?
@@johnconor5485to you!
@@P0L021 to everyone who knows what is real
@@P0L021 to everyone 😂
It would be farfetched to have Amanda even on a list of the top 20
Nah Amanda places around 10-15
@@ben_mcgac For all-time MMA? I can agree with that. Including boxing? No way.
@@LA7777777777 I forgot this was boxing aswell yeah that’s fair
I disagree
DC is trippin HAAAARD 😂😂😂
I think even DC doesn't believe in his list
Yes a strange list Amanda has losses. He said he reserves the top two for not having any losses but it's only five people on the list. And he made an integrated list of male and females. As good as Amanda is she couldn't be any of the men on the top 100 fighters list. For example Amanda couldn't be John Jones and he's not even on the damn list.
Hate. Amanda she is the GREATEST * GOAT * and she only one STUTUS GOAT
@@tinaruzol7256 I love her as a fighter she's got a truly inspirational story. But could she beat the top 100 male fighters of all time I don't think so. Saying that she's number five out of all the people that have ever boxed or done MMA that's ridiculous. Saying that she's on a level with Muhammad Ali come on now..... for real!!!?
Amanda Nunes she is the GREATEST * GOAT * and AMAZING. She only one STUTUS GOAT.
@@ernestclayboniii656 Do you know what P4P means? Any top 100 MMA fighter, Amanda included, would floor Ali, Tyson, and Mayweather in a real fight. On the same night. And it wouldn't even be close.
Okay DC keeps showing how biased he is, Khabib is great, greater than great. But he’s talking about best fighters ever with 29 fights? Sugar Ray Robinson went like 40-0 before he lost and then went on a 89 fight win streak. But yeah Khabib fight 29 times…
I agree, not long enough in the game to be considered. But great fighter.
and over half of em were cans.
No one could ever beat Khabib. That's as objective as you can get. He never made any mistakes
@@Triggercut92 false.
@@Triggercut92 nobody could ever beat Tyson Fury, Rocky Marciano, Jimmy Barry, Andre Ward, Joe Calzaghe. All undefeated and had more fights than khabib. So objectively they’re all better?
DC eating a chicken sandwich and 5 cupcakes is crazy 😂
Daniel doesn’t eat the food
2:03 Amanda Nunes and Mohammed Ali on the same list 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
lol yea thats a good way to look at it and see how bad and ridiculous this list is
Amanda nunes she is the GREATEST. *. GOAT * and AMAZING. She only one STUTUS GOAT
If you get choked out by Juliana Peña you shouldn't be anywhere near this list.
Amanda BEAT and Knocked down Julianna 3 times by Punching and wrestling. Julianna got a wound on FOREHEAD that's why Surgical stitches was made (. Missing Chuck.). Julianna is BLOODY MESS. AMANDA IS DOMINATED JULIANNA
Julianna FOREHEAD IS BLEEDING MANY BLOOD ON THE FLOOR. AMANDA is dominated Julianna
Love Ariel calling him out
Jones` head kick really messed with DC`s brain
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Lmao
I said the same thing😹😹😹
@@sanjutamang4622 no
I think it was the excessive PEDs and eye poking and cheating he got away with more then the head kick.
baaad list dc. Amanda being on the same list as gsp and Ali is insane.
noone had anything to say about the matt sera knockout or the fact that Johny Hendricks beat him like a red headed step child
@@Danfromthenorth84 flukes like the serra thing happen to the best, and he avenged it with a vengeance and beat serra down, and if you go by score with how fights were being scored, he beat hendrix. Sure GSPs face was beat up, but he did what he needed to to win the war. Plus, scoring by rounds, they both had 2 clear rounds they won anyway, so it was basically just decided on a round. Casuals going around acting like Hendricks dominated GSP is laughable.
Amanda she is the GREATEST. *. GOAT *. and AMAZING. She only one STUTUS GOAT
Miss watching this duo every week
Metoo
best mma show ever imo. made me smile so consistently
2:05
Loved how he called him out for being a company man 😂😂😂😂
1:05 the way he couldn’t remember what her name was hilarious
To be fair to DC, making a list of only 5 for both boxing and UFC is very tough. But having no Bones on there is pure salt 😂.
he's failed like 4 drug tests. They don't have bonds in the hall of fame. Same reason
@@drewdrewson1384 True that would dissuade some people from putting him top 5. The Hall of Fame especially MLB is a very prestigious thing so I can see politically why you wouldn’t want a person with steroid problems in there. But for a personal top 5 list I think it’s a little different. With what Jones has done in the sport I’m willing to still have him in my top 5 even with his tainted past.
if you get caught using steroids, our of the question period.
call it salt but its very consistent, he didn't put silva there either because he also popped, and if you actually listened he calls him an all time great but he doesnt have to put ped users in his own list if he doesnt want to. See you people need to understand what a subjective "greatest fighter list" is he can disqualify anyone he wants with his subjective thoughts just like people will disqualify khabib for not having enough title defenses despite his accomplishments.
He has khabib but not srr that is a far worse crime
DC’s list is crazy 😂 but I appreciate the loyalty he has for his friend Khabib.
dc not having jbj is just obvius, I think personally that jbj is the best mma fighter ever and probably also the best fighter ever
Khabib should not even be on this list.
Is that you Salty Conor?
@@slicvm he never even mentioned mcgregor lmao
@@cuckadoodledoo Swoosh
@@slicvm 🤓
Rocky M. fought guys bigger than himself -- he had a chin, Heart, hit hard and hit longer.
Flyod is certainly great. Mike T. made a good point, great isn't fearing the people, it's when you're loved by the people. Mike says Floyd needs body guards to take his kids to school.
What the hell does that have to do with Floyd's record in the ring?
@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights great isn't the record, it's who the fighter is, how the fighter fights, and who they fight and what adversity they've overcome in the fight.
Flyod is the best defensive fighter, not the greatest of all time.
Rocky M's boxing style was made for fighting bigger fighters lol
90% of the guys Floyd fought were bigger than him
Oh please rocky would get smash vs any legend og heavyweight, rocky is too small.. george foreman would ate rocky for a breakfast snack!!
Having any MMA fighter that isn’t GSP or JBJ on a list with the goat boxers is comedy
fpr real lol
demetrius johnson?
can count on 1 hand how many rounds khabib has lost. he has every right to be on the list. i think jbj should’ve been on it before gsp tho
Add DJ to the list and spot on
@@kingwild772 khabib is an amazing fighter but do you think he could have been as dominating in the WW division. GSP and Khabib are almost identical in size and walkaround weight. So that being said Khabib's stats at LW can not be compared with GSP.'s at WW.
UFC 'S WW division is a tidal wave of wrestlers and grapplers that can hit harder than LW. It is not a fair comparison. There is more padding to Khabib's record than GSP
Having Khabib and Amanda is insane
0:31 “bro listen to me” absurd dad energy
“No Jones” DC continuing to talk like he didn’t say it
At least he gave Jones his respect
I like his logic of reserving the top two spots for only undefeated fighters and i can definitely see how people make a case for Rocky Marciano but at the end of the day it is just one man's list and personal choice is a thing.
LMAOOOO Ariel such a hater he put out the Popeyes chicken sandwich and cupcakes for DC 😂😂
hey man, if you give DC Popeye's and cupcakes, I don't think he'd call you a hater 😂
it'd have been cool if they brought up uncle Mike, pretty sure DC would change his mind as soon as he hits him with a "listen"
How can an expert be so delusional
I agree with Floyd. Clarissa shields is better than Amanda but but Floyd is the best combat sport fighter ever.
Not really
In my opinion
@@billcipher3946 yeah, your opinion is not smart. Lol. At all. Do some research.
The food in front of DC 😂
I’ve never disagreed with a list as much as this one. Still love DC though, champ champ always makes me laugh 😂
It's hard to have a list of only 5 .
Boxing has a history of 100 years+ ....so boxers will capture the whole list. And there is 30 years of MMA history. So it's unfair to have a ccommon list.
Watch DC put Islam into this list after two title defences
Pacquiao has to be top 5 based off 8 weight divisions.
My man is the GOAT in eight divisions 😭
DC's list is obviously crazy, but he openly states why he doesn't ever put Anderson or Jones up there, and it's fair if that's part of his criteria for GOAT (esp since he admits Jones would be "up there" on the list if not for failed tests)
Regardless of that I understand that argument it’s just the order of some guys and then also the fact that Khabib and nunes aren’t top 5 in mma. But it’s his teammate so giving him a spot sure but not the 2 spot that’s wild.
Why do they have a picture of Raul Rosas Jr. on the wall?
Could’ve said DJ, Jones, Silva, Fedor, he could’ve said himself, but out of all the goats he has Amanda in the top 5? 😂
Lol dc lowkey didn’t want to say Jon Jones
Crazy list, the only one I agree with is GSP.
DC got that CTE
Lmao @ Floyd. LOST to Castillo and handpicked opponents. Never boxed killers in their prime. And Khabib? Hahaha he defended three times and bounced. 🤦♂️
Thats not a bad list, the disrespect to Nunes is crazy, you can't compare her to male fighters, thats like saying DJ is not GOAT because Jon Jones would smash him. What Nunes have done in the women's division is unprecedented, far exceeding anyone else.
Let a man have his opinions.
1 Rocky Marciano
2 Sugar Ray Leonard
3 GSP
4 Julio Cesar Chavez
5 Mike Tyson
Cap….if we’re saying fighters and only naming mma & boxing. The list is basically a legitimated as watch mojo lol
Glad to see someone else thinking it, personally I'd have to put Samart Payakaroon in there, greatest Muay Thai fighter of all time who also won world titles in boxing. Incredible fighter
@@MrAngryorangutan facts, amazing fighter!
Lol, I absolutely agree that if Khabib were to continue fighting, nobody could beat him, but having him at number 2, after just 3 defences is close to saying, I would have been a successful martial artist, but I never entered any ring nor cage.
jon jones is pretty undefeated too 😂
DC said if he included tainted ped fights Jon Jones would be on it
The fact that he's got Khabib Over Muhammad Ali is a absolute joke
I’m surprised dc didn’t put himself in this trash list
Greatest of all time in this reality. You don't rank them on hypothetical potential.
Khabib was a natural 170 pounder and wasn’t willing to compete there. So he’s not on the list. Everyone else on the list fought at weights where they didn’t need to cut 40 pounds to fight much smaller men.
fair but he was so dominate at 155 he deserves to be on the list. I can count on 1 hand how many rounds he lost. 2 or 3 maybe.
@@kingwild772 the true greats sought to test themselves against men their size. Usman and GSP were there. He didn’t want that smoke. All his big wins were against guys that moved up from featherweight. He doesn’t have wins over great lightweight champions. No one he beat will go down as all time great at 155.
@@mvansb23 it’s not his fault there was no “comp” everyone said tony and olivera were the guys that could’ve beat him but oliveria couldn’t even get past islam and we see what’s happening with tony 😂 khabib is on a completely different level than these guys. And i never new simply changing different weight classes is what determines “greatness” lol
@@mvansb23 also Jones is top 5 greats and he has yet to win a fight at a different weight class.
@@kingwild772 none of us know anything until we see it. He had a chance to prove everything you say. And passed. Just spent his career beating up on glorified featherweights.
The dynamic of this duo is great...
... the list is not.
Khabib should he no where near the goat list. He is definitely the greatest lightweight and the most dominant. The should’ve would’ve could’ve argument is bs
Casual hater
i mean how can you say most dominant and greatest lightweight but say he isn't allowed near the goat list? Those are undeniable "greatest of all time" accolades, can't really deny what's there, none of that is should've would've could've. Just depends on what you define goat as honestly the term is washed just be more specific when describing greatest fighters.
@@ellieswagaye cus that’s 1 division they’re r lots of fighters who were arg as dominate in they’re own divisions and arguebly even more I would argue JBJ, Silva, Cruz and DJ were all even more dominant in they’re divisions
@@Kappa31 who has dominic cruz beat? He was getting decisions after decisions and cant finish anybody
@@Kappa31 also dj? Henry cejudo was his only challenge, and dont say ray borg
Putting Floyd at #1 instead of Sugar Ray Robinson or Muhammad Ali is WILD. Even wilder to say Amanda Nunes is better than Sugar Ray Robinson, Anderson, Fedor, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Demetrious Johnson, Jon Jones, Rocky Marciano, Rodtang, list goes on.
DC is crazy...
GSP is the greatest fighter of all time. Full stop.
Lets be honest, paddy and khabib are ariel enemies
No khabib and paddy figures at his desk😂
Khabib's great highlights:
1. First 13 fights against complete cans with 0-2 records
2. Never fought a great wrestler like Arman or Guram or Demir or Gamrot or anybody.
3. Made a career out of fighting strikers.
4. Only 3 title defenses lol
5. Terrible striker, decision machine.
Love DC but Khabib is not even Top 5 MMA fighters of all time lol
If we talk about "could've" then we say Jones would be the GOAT if he fought without steroids.
Usman and Adesanya have a way better claim to be higher on the list of greatest MMA fighters. Also, neither one of them missed weight or had to nearly kill themselves just to make the cut.
Khabib beat a ranked 12, 3rd option shorter notice fighter for the title, he defended it 3 times, one of those time was against mcgregor who was drunk half the time..then he bounced…he didn’t cement himself, he never fought the other top contenders, didn’t go up a weight class, didn’t win more belts…he’s possibly the best lightweight, but fighter? Absolutely not even close, and he’s not even top 5.
he beat everyone. name someone he didnt beat
@@BOZ_11 ferguson oliveira
@@gungaginga9772 ferguson had his soul taken by justin, and olives was still shaking of his journeyman status when he beat the guy who took tony's soul. We saw happened to olives via islam. cut the bs
@@BOZ_11 those are what if statements though khabib never fought them so we will never know if he didnt chicken out and dominated them he could be the goat but he didnt so too bad
@@gungaginga9772 you pr1cks cant have it both ways. if olives won, everyone was going to call him the 155 GOAT! khabib didnt "chicken out", he retired undefeated undisputed and had cleaned out the division over 13 fights. we know olives was never the best. khabib was the best, and now islam is. islam was in the division when olives had the belt, meaning he was never champ, he never defended it. .its over, go cry
Cormier: who is the GOAT in all aspect
Ariel: the Icon the superstar the.... conor🤣🤣
This dude just didn’t mention manny
Thank you Ariel, he needed to be put in his place for that ungodly list
So killed them with staff better than killed them with kindness?
But invest them with praying... Hear them pray what the positive things... And exchange the negative things to be better place
What a horrible list, he totally lost a plot.
Just unnecessary noise.
But still love him, he's just making fun trying to stir the pot.
How is Demetrius Johnson not mentioned???
Khabib at #2 lamo😂😂
I know 😂😂😂he should’ve been lower with his shallow resume.
He shouldn’t be in the top 5 you’re right
@@akl1054 Greatest MMA fighter of all time has a shallow resume? Just keep up with the Kardashians dude
My list:
Ali
Tyson
Floyd
Jones
GSP
I love how Ariel trolls him nonstop 🤣
Floyd, Ali, Tyson, Jon Jones, Conor McGregor
Fedor?
Honestly, in a top 5 fighters list for boxing and UFC, boxers shouldn't even be allowed in this list, as they are not fighters and would get ragdolled by average MMA fighters (don't get me wrong, they have a punchers chance, ask Tim sylvia😂)
Top 5 should be:
1- Jones (he's undeniable and that's given that he wouldn't even test positive for PED's as per today's standards)
2- Might mouse DJ (ruled flyweight, arguably beat Cejudo in the second fight, doing great things in the sport still in ONE (ONE's flyweight>>>>>>>>UFC's flyweight)
3- GSP (only because in my opinion, he lost to hendricks, but man was GSP amazing. His jab, superman punch, leg kick combo is pure❤)
4- Anderson Silva (ruled MW for 7 straight years, still boxing and winning lol. He's a straight up legend, probably the beat combat athlete ever)
5- Stipe Miocic/Jose Aldo
Tyson isn’t there but Amanda is
No Demetrius Johnson? No Tyson Fury?
Mayweather, Ali, Jones, Tyson, Silva
GSP and Khabib are almost identical in size and walkaround weight. So that being said Khabib's stats at LW can not be compared with GSP.'s at WW.
UFC 'S WW division is a tidal wave of wrestlers and grapplers that can hit harder than LW. It is not a fair comparison. There is more padding to Khabib's record. Khabib is currently the greatest LW fighter of all time
I mean Khabib never lost and never even looked like he was losing nor wounded. GSP had all of that.
I got 1Jones,2 Floyd,3 Mike Tyson, 4 Demetrius Johnson and then GSP
DC so biased
Mine
Rocky Marciano
Buakaw
GSP
Semmy Schilt
Silva
Floyd out for waiting people out. Plus his era of boxing is no where near as savage as Rocky’s era not to mention way better conditions
Jones out for testing negative
Testing positive you mean? Also Anderson tested hot too.
@@isaacbarrock8709 oops yeah my bad. Silva tested hot after an injury. Let’s be real it is not the same.
Wasn't DCs first nickname the black fedor?
The only one on his list i agree with is Khabib.
Khabib although undefeated had only 3 title defenses, and his hardest challenges came at the end of his career, ie. Conor , Justin, Dustin, etc. And while great, not top 5, guys like gsp , Anderson and Jon (although I agree with DC on Jon) had 10+ title defenses....Ali I do love and respect but not top 5 , top 5 cultural influences for sure, but no, Nunes ....just no.....but yes I agree Mayweather is number one or 2 and gsp as well ...but the other 3 become dicey and I don't really have a problem with the top 5 having the 3 be iffy but this list is just horrendous.....
It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to just ignore blatant cheating on the part of people like Jones and Silva. The GOAT list should be reserved for people that did it right and did it fair.
Any of these are 100 times better than Amanda;
Tyson, Jon Jones , Fedor, Ali, Floyd
Amanda is BETTER THAN Valentina and Julianna. Amanda she is the GREATEST. *. GOAT. * and AMAZING. She only one STUTUS GOAT
@@tinaruzol7256 shouldn’t be there, she should be on a female list.
Amanda she is the GREATEST.
*. GOAT. * and AMAZING. She only one STUTUS GOAT.
Btw it's DJ, GSP, JJ, Silva, 5th who ever and not in any order
aldo 5th
@@nunyabizwacks6711 agreed I mean top 5 is almost impossible Hendo, Bisping, BJ Penn, so many bloody legends D Cruz
Ali no. 1 for winning it thrice at different times. And all the number of fights. He's an icon
Could Ali beat khabib in a fight?
Idk man, but my GOAT is Ray Robinson in boxing, and Bones on MMA
@@justinharrison5138 prime vs prime probably
@@justinharrison5138 if the question is only about beating in a fight then Jon Jones probably beats all. But his PED stuff and dqs tarnish his image. Ali has no idea on wrestling or submissions so mma fighters of today have an edge. But the list is about best fighters, which is also why Amanda is there above so many male fighters
TYSON?!?!?!?!
Khabibs “undefeated” record is full of tomato cans who were either debuting in MMA or only had 1 win on their record.
Not single one on that list makes it to the top 5 to be real.
Ali?
No order but Ali, Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Tyson, So many options other than this horrible list
Amanda really doesn’t have much competition - she needs to be tested more before making that list
And yet still has losses
H. Fool yourself. You're fingers go BLUNT but you can't bring Amanda. Amanda she is the GREATEST. *. GOAT * and AMAZING. She only one STUTUS GOAT
Dukestboy96. Amanda she is the GREATEST. *. GOAT. * and AMAZING. She only one STUTUS GOAT.
GSP, Pacquiao, mayweather, anderson silva, Fedor
Starsky and Hutch didn't even have this much chemistry
amanda nunes above fedor 😂😂???
Bones and canelo should be on that list
I love DC, but he is high as a kite ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The can crusher of Dagestan. Connor could have had 20 13 second kos of legends could could blah blah
Bro what?
DC acting like a complete ignorant.
He rides for his guys but this is too much.
Khabib had it in him but a lot of would, could, should involved in his resume as he does not have enough title defence.
Even if he feels the way he feels about failed drug test fighters what about GSP.... The actual goat 🐐
DANIEL * DC * he is LEGEND and GREAT FIGHTER
Glad how DC's exposing him, his biases and lack of knowledge. He's a cool guy but I really don't like him. Very happy Ariel is challenging him.
i mean the top 5 for boxing shouldn’t include floyd and the top 5 for mma shouldn’t include khabib.
There is a lot of woulds, coulds, and shoulds in DCs list. I love bro but this list has to be a troll