NOTICE that he only mounts to one side of the mounting plate on the stud side (3 screws) so that the all threw screws will be catching meat...he doesn't mention this, but this IS KEY!
We watched several CZcamss for safety grab bar installation. Steve Johnson seems to do it the right way and because he seems to do high-end installations, he is thoughtful (having a bag to collect the drilling debris.) I would go one step further and put a cloth in the tub in case something drops - it won't chip the tub. He also showed how to install one side in the stud and one side using anchors. (no stud available)
Nice little tips about using painter's tape to immobilize the flange covers temporarily, taping up bags beneath where you're drilling to catch the tile dust and debris, and leaving a little silicone-less gap under each flange to provide a drain path for any moisture that might get behind it. Excellent tips!!
I did a grab bar installation today for my brother-in-law using the same method in the video. The toggle bolts are really great. And they are just as easy to install as depicted in the video. Bought the toggle bolts at Home Depot.
Very Helpful and detailed. I had a good idea of what to do but watching this video was reassuring. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the world!
If the wall is an outside wall, which is cinder block or concrete, is there studs as well in there ? And if I miss the stud, will there be space to put a toggle bolt, or should I use a plastic wall anchor ?
I'm looking at a Sircon HD70 stud finder. I need to go thru 1/4" ceramic tile, 1/2" cement board and green board. Do you think this, or another model, might work?
If you can't find the stud, you have to use wall anchors. These videos are good, but not one has addressed the problem of when the wall behind it is an outside concrete wall. I had to find out the hard way on my own. When your wall behind you tile is an outside wall, it will not be a hollow wall, which all these spread apart anchors / toggles are made for. No matter how deep you drill, you will not be able to hook up any anchor that has to spread out behind the wall. You have to use anchor plugs, plastic or metal.
how are toggle bolts in cement board providing any structural support? typically heavy gauge studs and / or marine grade plywood backer helps - especially since a person's weight can easily pull a wall apart.
One question, Do you have a secret helper? How are you supporting/holding up bar while you work on the first side? Is toggle bolt end just hanging down? I guess that would be ok but a lot of little movements. Single handy mom with a can do attitude! ThankYou
Someone I know had worked for the US border services, and he showed me his scanner for finding drugs inside cars. I was amazed at the deptht his thing could go through walls.
Just curious on how your stud finder actually finds studs behind tile walls? I've tried many stud finders and most are next to useless when working with tile.
I agree! it can be really tricky to find the studs sometimes even with a really good stud finder. I have two stud finders one finds the center of the stud the other finds the edges. I will use them both on a job just to double check stud location. If the tile is not to the ceiling you can check above the tile. If you have access to the other side of the wall you can check stud locations their and take that measurement to the tile side. If you are not sure, drill in a grout line if you can, that way if you are wrong it's an easy fix with a little grout patch. Good luck and sorry for the late response!
Also if you noticed his stud finder showed 2 studs damn near next to eachother so I’m not so sure if one was a stud lol but a trick I seen was a small magnet to find where they put the screws for the concrete board and that’s your studs
@@FeelGood_Films And actually, if you use something like a Moen grab bar, which allows you to use three anchors at each end, you don't need to hit a stud in a properly built tile wall... just use Toggler brand alligator anchors. I too use a high strength neodymium magnet (from an old hard drive) on a string to sweep walls for screw heads - and it often works well. Cheers!
When meeting with the home owner I help to determine what is the best height and overall placement of the grab bars. The rule for residential placement is what works the best for the person needing the grab bars I hope this helps.
For fiberglass surrounds installed in "new construction", i.e. 3-1/2" between the surround and the adjacent or outside wall, consider using either Moen Secure Mounts or Wingits. Fiberglass panels installed over existing old walls (i.e. walls not gutted) are perhaps one of the biggest challenges as there will never be enough gap room for installing their mounting devices. In these cases, it causes one to McGyver solutions like breaking through the old wall behind the panels, fishing a Moen anchor by hand or other techniques learned over the years.
NOTICE that he only mounts to one side of the mounting plate on the stud side (3 screws) so that the all threw screws will be catching meat...he doesn't mention this, but this IS KEY!
We watched several CZcamss for safety grab bar installation. Steve Johnson seems to do it the right way and because he seems to do high-end installations, he is thoughtful (having a bag to collect the drilling debris.) I would go one step further and put a cloth in the tub in case something drops - it won't chip the tub. He also showed how to install one side in the stud and one side using anchors. (no stud available)
Nice little tips about using painter's tape to immobilize the flange covers temporarily, taping up bags beneath where you're drilling to catch the tile dust and debris, and leaving a little silicone-less gap under each flange to provide a drain path for any moisture that might get behind it. Excellent tips!!
The man is a pro! All the details, stainless steel screws, dust bag and silicon, a nice way to go.
what a bloody legend. Cheers Steve for helping a young fella out in the land down under
I did a grab bar installation today for my brother-in-law using the same method in the video. The toggle bolts are really great. And they are just as easy to install as depicted in the video. Bought the toggle bolts at Home Depot.
Went thru 4 videos before watching yours and it was enjoying to watch a pro.
Steve, your video was excellent: informative and easy to follow. You communicated well with your instructions.
Best grab bar video I have seen so far. Thank you.
Thank you so much for such a great step by step video. Your professionalism is top notch.
After the installation the Gilf walked into the shower undressed and Steven was in there
One of the better instructional videos I've seen. Thanks much.
Very Helpful and detailed. I had a good idea of what to do but watching this video was reassuring. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the world!
I really like your tutorials!
Very professional. Very well done Sir.
thanks for professionally done work/video
that was an excellent video. I learned a lot.
If the wall is an outside wall, which is cinder block or concrete, is there studs as well in there ? And if I miss the stud, will there be space to put a toggle bolt, or should I use a plastic wall anchor ?
Is it a good idea to not only calk the screws & holes & outside of the flanges but to also calk the covers as well ?
I'm looking at a Sircon HD70 stud finder. I need to go thru 1/4" ceramic tile, 1/2" cement board and green board. Do you think this, or another model, might work?
Very helpful video.
Excellent video
Steve ; what 1/2" drill bit do you recommend for porcelain tile. Thank you sir.
If you can't find the stud, you have to use wall anchors. These videos are good, but not one has addressed the problem of when the wall behind it is an outside concrete wall. I had to find out the hard way on my own. When your wall behind you tile is an outside wall, it will not be a hollow wall, which all these spread apart anchors / toggles are made for. No matter how deep you drill, you will not be able to hook up any anchor that has to spread out behind the wall. You have to use anchor plugs, plastic or metal.
tapcon screws will hold in cinderblock.
Toggle bolts are outlawed in some States.
wow Steve...you made that look easy! ha ha we will see if i "can do It" well done
Is there a difference between a tile bit and a masonry bit? Thanks, Harry
yes, in a private residence it is placed where it best suits the user.
I hope the video helped! Let me know if you have any more questions
Steve Johns
Nice Job!
But, they didn't want to match the other fixtures?
😐
does the same toggler used n this video work on fiberglass shower stall?
how are toggle bolts in cement board providing any structural support? typically heavy gauge studs and / or marine grade plywood backer helps - especially since a person's weight can easily pull a wall apart.
Steve, great video. Did you put 2 or 3 screws in the stud?
good looking job but we would like to have saw the whole job, we only saw you do one side or half of one side be safe god bless
One question, Do you have a secret helper? How are you supporting/holding up bar while you work on the first side? Is toggle bolt end just hanging down? I guess that would be ok but a lot of little movements. Single handy mom with a can do attitude! ThankYou
What if you have metal studs?
Nice. Thanks! I suppose there is no mandatory height for the bar. Ya just place it where it feels best right?
Yes, In a residential setting you place the bar wherever the user finds it most helpful.
Sorry for such a late response I just saw these comments!
Someone I know had worked for the US border services, and he showed me his scanner for finding drugs inside cars. I was amazed at the deptht his thing could go through walls.
Just curious on how your stud finder actually finds studs behind tile walls? I've tried many stud finders and most are next to useless when working with tile.
I agree! it can be really tricky to find the studs sometimes even with a really good stud finder. I have two stud finders one finds the center of the stud the other finds the edges. I will use them both on a job just to double check stud location.
If the tile is not to the ceiling you can check above the tile. If you have access to the other side of the wall you can check stud locations their and take that measurement to the tile side. If you are not sure, drill in a grout line if you can, that way if you are wrong it's an easy fix with a little grout patch.
Good luck and sorry for the late response!
Also in older walks with lathe the stud finder gets confused - may not work.
Also if you noticed his stud finder showed 2 studs damn near next to eachother so I’m not so sure if one was a stud lol but a trick I seen was a small magnet to find where they put the screws for the concrete board and that’s your studs
@@FeelGood_Films And actually, if you use something like a Moen grab bar, which allows you to use three anchors at each end, you don't need to hit a stud in a properly built tile wall... just use Toggler brand alligator anchors. I too use a high strength neodymium magnet (from an old hard drive) on a string to sweep walls for screw heads - and it often works well. Cheers!
Thank you!
How did you determine the distance between the bar and the tub?
When meeting with the home owner I help to determine what is the best height and overall placement of the grab bars. The rule for residential placement is what works the best for the person needing the grab bars
I hope this helps.
Is it my imagination, but did I see while watching this video that the shower valve was sometimes on your left and other times on your right?
What about ..fiberglass one unit shower ? need help
For fiberglass surrounds installed in "new construction", i.e. 3-1/2" between the surround and the adjacent or outside wall, consider using either Moen Secure Mounts or Wingits. Fiberglass panels installed over existing old walls (i.e. walls not gutted) are perhaps one of the biggest challenges as there will never be enough gap room for installing their mounting devices. In these cases, it causes one to McGyver solutions like breaking through the old wall behind the panels, fishing a Moen anchor by hand or other techniques learned over the years.
Did U Ever Inquire where the "Using" Disabled Client Want's Such Devices !? YYZ , Mohawk-Planker !
Stud finder doesn't work thru tile.
tru pro
Thank you!