Ray posted pictures on Facebook, that blow actually bent the spinner bar. That, plus the frame flexing. 1" thick aluminum bar with steel teeth hitting a 1" thick hardox plow... something's gotta give!
Elisha Barkley it seems like Ray focuses more on Tombstone for battlebots than he does on Last Rites for his international affairs. Ray's got it so that only one bot has ever managed to defeat him in modern battlebots and that's Biteforce. The American bot has the same weapon but spins at 237mph
Well, yeah. RoboGames' rules don't require an "active weapon" so it's a perfectly viable strategy to put all your weight into a big scoop/shield, big drive motors, and huge batteries. See also: Original Sin, Prometheus, etc.
TheInflicted I know, i feel that people should appreciated more about this types of bots and strategies. Bite force got a lot of backlash when it won the 1st season with its plow (which probably led to the bullshit primary weapon rule)
I actually don't mind the rule for purposes of entering the robots into the competition, because weapon-on-weapon matches usually tend to make for better television, but I agree that it was endlessly frustrating for the judging to also factor in having a functioning weapon so heavily. There were so many matches in the last season where a robot entered the match with an earnest, functioning weapon, had the weapon break, continued to fight and dominate the match through other means, but then was judged to have "lost" the match solely because its weapon broke.
I find it funny how people with a destruction fetish say wedges and blocks are boring but the second it has a small degree of movement its completely ok and exciting as hell. And thats only with sparks
dat guy: i only think wedges and blocks are boring if they a: are driven badly b:don't work or are slow as heck or c:have a mirror match But there are also wedges and blocks i really like for example Duck!, Captain Doom or WeeWoo
WOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE AWESOME FIGHT ON FRIDAY, TOMBSTONE WILL NEED TO TAKE OUT BOTH WHEELS ON ONE SIDE OF DUCK IF HE IS GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE, THAT TITANIUM OF DUCK IS CRAZY STRONG!
I am surprised about one thing : these horizontal spinners are really hard to beat, and when they are beaten the damages to the armor are still huge (usually the spinner just self destroy itself, just like here). Nobody ever had an idea of making a bot armored with a loose net that would easily get stuck on any rotating part. I mean I already ruined a powerful lawn mower by running on a very thin bird net. Such a defensive armor would set the spinner design near to obsolete.
Last Rites, not Tombstone, but the difference is really just 30lbs of armor and frame. But yeah... this is what happens when you ram a spinning blade into 1" thick military-grade steel armor.
What's he running then? Eyeballing the dimensions, AR500 wouldn't weigh that much, only around 50lbs which is reasonable armor weight for a 220lber. Whatever it is it's certainly hardened, as lastrites&toromax couldn't ever bite into it, It doesn't spark like titanium (which would be silly expensive at that scale), and I can't think of any other hardened material that combat robots like to use.
+Jackson Gray If you're eyeballing the dimensions, you're not going to be very accurate. There's not a very good reference point in the arena and these bots are pretty big. Anyway, Whoops' plow is indeed AR500. The rest of the bot, though, is milled from a single block of aluminum - I don't know the specific alloy, though. This is what we refer to as a "billet-bot", as the frame is all one piece. It's a wasteful technique, but it results in a frame that doesn't have any weak points when engineered correctly. It probably also has some very big motors in there too - it's a pushbot, after all.
"Put the fattest hunk of metal on the front of your robot and wait for your enemy to disable themselves." And that, my friends, is what killed the original run of battlebots because when enough people figured that out, 90% of the fights were weaponless tanks bumping each other slightly. A thick hunk of titanium doesn't care how much creativity or engineering went into your interesting and beautiful creation. You might as well drive it into the wall. It's why I was happy when the new battlebots had a requirement for a powered weapon capable of disabling your opponent, but also why I'm sad to even see something like Duck to make it in for season 3. Only time will tell, though.
Nothing but the endless spinners we’ve been seeing in the recent season is every single bit as uninteresting and dull as endless wedges. Defensive bots like DUCK! are a _necessity_ to keep the meta from becoming an endlessly stagnant mess of Tombstone, SoW, and End Game copycats with a side of Bronco.
Kathy Lopez actually no, last rites is tombstone, or should i say tombstone is last rites, everything is mechanically the same, but, tombstones frame is signifigantly heavier and uses titanium platings instead of lexan.
dat guy I was under the impression Tombstone was originally Ray's SuperHeavyweight, and when the weight class got cancelled he had the name resurrected for Battlebots to keep Last Rites running the international circuit.
Derby Racer Maybe. Look at the weight classes. Old Tombstone (old materials you need more of, heavy lead acid batteries) was a SuperHeavyWeight, up to 350 lbs. Last Rites is a Modern HeavyWeight at 220 lbs. Current Tombstone is also a HeavyWeight, but Battlebots define Heavyweight up to 250 lbs. So it has the extra weight, but I think Ray puts it into armor. The weapon might not hit harder, but perhaps the frame can better support the weapon.
Yeah no active weapon on Whoops! Just fucking lame. Good thing that Battlebots requires the bots to have active weapons instead of these ridiculous bots with just a plow in the front.
Man, the terrible driving is painful to watch- how many times did Whoops! have to turn it's back to Last rites before Ray actually decided to stop spinning around like an idiot and actually attack?
It's not like Ray could really control it. The gyroscopic forces in Last Rites' blade are insane and can easily overcome the bot's drive system and traction.
The spinning was no accident. Ray realized that attacking the front was a waste so the spinning was an attempt to get to the wheels. It worked at 1:00.
Yep- some of it was spinning to get to the wheels, some of it was just wild spinning when he was no where near the other bot, or when the bot had it's back to him but he just didn't even attempt to turn and aim...
SuicideNeil how much do you aim with a blade almost as big as your bot?(spinning horizontally not vertically) Like when you cant out manuever the other bot to any degree and youre trying to hit the wheels spinning is kind of all you have. Also whats even better is that hal hucker is abusing the use of this strategy, constantly, you saying that its bad driving is unobservant.
That's called control and counter. It's like jiu jutsu or judo, using an aggressive opponent's force against itself. The more powerful Last Rite's attack was, the more damage it was going to do to itself.
The point of this fight is that these two robots were drawn against each other and they have to win the fight to progress in the tournament. Not sure what you were fucking expecting...
I think the problem here is one side is aggressively attack, another side is totally defense without much attacking ability. Imagine what would happen if two "Whoops" in the fight? they just push each other. I think it will be boring. Of course, I don't want to say it is not fair, but in my opinion they are not in the same class. If they are in the REAL war, that's fine. But this fight is just a game, for entertaining purpose. So I think it would be more exciting if both fighting robots have attacking ability.
Braed There is kind of a rock paper scissors thing going on. Spinners will beat flippers and grabbers, grabbers will beat control bots, control bots will beat spinners. It doesn't always happen that way, but that is a general idea of how it goes down.
Nah you got to love the pushers. They're very effective counters to spinners. Ram those fancy bots into the arena edge and break their weapons, then just keep ramming them over and over until they rip themselves apart. Endurance is power.
morgan lefevre Pushers have way more stratgies then spinners. All a spinner does is fire up its weapon and drive forward until it hits something. Pushers meanwhile have to use driving skill and tactics to win. They need to get around the back and sides of robots with powerful weapons and use their driving to their full potential. Way more strategy and tactics invloved. Hell most roboteers will tell you thst driving skill is the most important thing in Robot Combat and this battle proves it. Whoops had better driving, which allowed it to get out of trouble quickly and contantly slam its opponent into submission.
Spinners can have just as many tactics, especially given that l0ots of them have wedges and butt shields too. Even in this very match you can see that Last Rites isn't just driving forwards. It is driving backwards to do a 180 turn, etc.
DUCK! vs. Tombstone: The Prequel.
Best robot fight I've seen. Love how the smaller bot uses the others weapon against him.👍
1:05 Last Rites activated Robot Arena 2 Physics
YES HAHAHA so true
2:27 robot arena 2 cornfirmed :D
So basically this is Tombstone vs Duck (slightly different mounting for front plate) and with different names outside of Battlebots.
And both 30 pounds lighter
Also they are 30 pounds lighter and last rites loses
You can see Last Rites' weapon hitting it self. Look for sparks at 2:38 when it's in the air.
Ray posted pictures on Facebook, that blow actually bent the spinner bar. That, plus the frame flexing. 1" thick aluminum bar with steel teeth hitting a 1" thick hardox plow... something's gotta give!
Why are you hitting yourself?
That armour plate is pretty strong!
Rennie Ash whoops plate is about an inch thick
An unstoppable force vs an immovable object.
Whoops did what bronco could never do
Bronco is the reason tombstone lost season 1
The last hit fucked tombstones batteries
Never a boring fight with Team Hardcore in the box.
I feel like this is how tombstone vs duck is going to go, except tombstone's blade will probably snap.
Elisha Barkley it seems like Ray focuses more on Tombstone for battlebots than he does on Last Rites for his international affairs. Ray's got it so that only one bot has ever managed to defeat him in modern battlebots and that's Biteforce. The American bot has the same weapon but spins at 237mph
not sure about that since tombstones new bar is so much thicker
i guess we will see^^
cant wait for that fight tho this is awesome already xD
It's actually coming on tomorrow's battlebots episode as the main event. I'm excited.
I've got a wager with my mom going on who will win. I chose duck, and I hope he doesn't let me down.
Tombstone won but duck almost got him
Just wondering who wants to see son of whyachi and tombstone smash each other?
shrapnel would be everywhere coming from whyachi. tombstone would crush them.
I wanted to see this match ever since SoW came out of retirement
I’ve always wanted to see Tombstone he Nightmare but SOW would be awesome too
I do....been waiting for that fight for years!!!
I would love that Though i think Millions would be dead in the crossfire.
More power is dangerous
Is that the DUCK! Robot? but like a different version?
Duck! and Whoops! are very similar and were built by the same team. The main difference is that Duck! has a lifting front end and Whoops! does not.
Evan B Actually these were Tombstone and Duck just differently named for another program they're having a rematch tomorrow on Discovery Channel
@@doritosbag1054 Its a different build as there is a 30-pound weight difference between the two.
Before Tombstone The King Of Kinetic Energy And The Mighty DUCK!, There's Last Rites And Whoops!
Who looks better?
Last Rites or Tombstone
Duck! or Whoops!
I'd say Tombstone and Duck!
Whoops plow was able to hold itself better than brutus' armor
Well, yeah. RoboGames' rules don't require an "active weapon" so it's a perfectly viable strategy to put all your weight into a big scoop/shield, big drive motors, and huge batteries. See also: Original Sin, Prometheus, etc.
TheInflicted I know, i feel that people should appreciated more about this types of bots and strategies. Bite force got a lot of backlash when it won the 1st season with its plow (which probably led to the bullshit primary weapon rule)
I actually don't mind the rule for purposes of entering the robots into the competition, because weapon-on-weapon matches usually tend to make for better television, but I agree that it was endlessly frustrating for the judging to also factor in having a functioning weapon so heavily. There were so many matches in the last season where a robot entered the match with an earnest, functioning weapon, had the weapon break, continued to fight and dominate the match through other means, but then was judged to have "lost" the match solely because its weapon broke.
+TheInflicted
Sawblaze vs Razorback, BETA vs Tombstone, etc...
VestedUTuber stinger vs mega tento, lockjaw vs Brutus, disc o inferno vs chomp, yeti vs lockjaw, bite force vs chomp
I find it funny how people with a destruction fetish say wedges and blocks are boring but the second it has a small degree of movement its completely ok and exciting as hell. And thats only with sparks
They are unless they are fighting something with a lot of power: large spinners
dat guy: i only think wedges and blocks are boring if they
a: are driven badly
b:don't work or are slow as heck or
c:have a mirror match
But there are also wedges and blocks i really like for example Duck!, Captain Doom or WeeWoo
Where is DUCK! vs Tombstone?
Was it never aired???
I mean this is awesome for sure, but the camera angle's gotta be above for better action view
It aired in Episode 14 on August 24th, 2018.
@@TeamVelocity
I see...
Just can't find it unfortunately. Feels bad :(
I've heard it was close to a certain point. Just want to see how true that is
Episodes can be purchased from iTunes and Amazon if you don’t have cable.
@@TeamVelocity
No internet where I'm at. I go to Taco Bell 4 internet
Tombstone Vs. DUCK! In BATTLEBOTS FIGHT NIGHT 2018!
Tombstone vs. Duck?
Whoops! Was made by the same team that made duck, the only main difference between the two is that duck has a lifter and Whoops! Doesn’t
Best offense is a good defense
WOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE AWESOME FIGHT ON FRIDAY, TOMBSTONE WILL NEED TO TAKE OUT BOTH WHEELS ON ONE SIDE OF DUCK IF HE IS GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE, THAT TITANIUM OF DUCK IS CRAZY STRONG!
Whopps
Duck vs tombstone
I am surprised about one thing : these horizontal spinners are really hard to beat, and when they are beaten the damages to the armor are still huge (usually the spinner just self destroy itself, just like here). Nobody ever had an idea of making a bot armored with a loose net that would easily get stuck on any rotating part. I mean I already ruined a powerful lawn mower by running on a very thin bird net. Such a defensive armor would set the spinner design near to obsolete.
Entanglement devices are against the rules.
@@TeamVelocity oh ok, that explains it then. :/
Has anyone came up with a star design with at each end a thicker oblic plate than the spinner ?
Is woops DUCK!
😂ha! This fight is exactly like tombstone vs DUCK!
No its not. Duck got ripped apart
wait what. tombstone got his ass kicked??!?!
Last Rites, not Tombstone, but the difference is really just 30lbs of armor and frame. But yeah... this is what happens when you ram a spinning blade into 1" thick military-grade steel armor.
what was whoops running, just AR500?
+Jackson Gray
1" of AR500 is a LOT of armor even on a 220lber - most HWs run half that at most if they run AR500.
What's he running then? Eyeballing the dimensions, AR500 wouldn't weigh that much, only around 50lbs which is reasonable armor weight for a 220lber. Whatever it is it's certainly hardened, as lastrites&toromax couldn't ever bite into it, It doesn't spark like titanium (which would be silly expensive at that scale), and I can't think of any other hardened material that combat robots like to use.
+Jackson Gray
If you're eyeballing the dimensions, you're not going to be very accurate. There's not a very good reference point in the arena and these bots are pretty big.
Anyway, Whoops' plow is indeed AR500. The rest of the bot, though, is milled from a single block of aluminum - I don't know the specific alloy, though. This is what we refer to as a "billet-bot", as the frame is all one piece. It's a wasteful technique, but it results in a frame that doesn't have any weak points when engineered correctly. It probably also has some very big motors in there too - it's a pushbot, after all.
Who mad whoops
Hal Rucker made Whoops! if that’s what you’re asking.
TeamVelocity thanks for answering i was wondering because it look like a bot in battle bots one called duck
Both bots are made by the same guy. Duck! is a similar design but it has the lifting front end.
TeamVelocity 😅😅😅 ooh thanks for letting me know
"Put the fattest hunk of metal on the front of your robot and wait for your enemy to disable themselves."
And that, my friends, is what killed the original run of battlebots because when enough people figured that out, 90% of the fights were weaponless tanks bumping each other slightly. A thick hunk of titanium doesn't care how much creativity or engineering went into your interesting and beautiful creation. You might as well drive it into the wall. It's why I was happy when the new battlebots had a requirement for a powered weapon capable of disabling your opponent, but also why I'm sad to even see something like Duck to make it in for season 3. Only time will tell, though.
Nothing but the endless spinners we’ve been seeing in the recent season is every single bit as uninteresting and dull as endless wedges. Defensive bots like DUCK! are a _necessity_ to keep the meta from becoming an endlessly stagnant mess of Tombstone, SoW, and End Game copycats with a side of Bronco.
Jeremiah Gottwald im with timmy here, plus youre being over dramatic as hell.
DUCK! Is the best bot ever.
Duck! vs Tombstone
Tombstone vs. Duck!
Whoops won
Tombstone Vs Duck
Last rites is a old version of tombstone
Kathy Lopez actually no, last rites is tombstone, or should i say tombstone is last rites, everything is mechanically the same, but, tombstones frame is signifigantly heavier and uses titanium platings instead of lexan.
dat guy I was under the impression Tombstone was originally Ray's SuperHeavyweight, and when the weight class got cancelled he had the name resurrected for Battlebots to keep Last Rites running the international circuit.
dat guy I thought Tombstone's weapon was more powerful and faster
Derby Racer
Maybe. Look at the weight classes. Old Tombstone (old materials you need more of, heavy lead acid batteries) was a SuperHeavyWeight, up to 350 lbs. Last Rites is a Modern HeavyWeight at 220 lbs. Current Tombstone is also a HeavyWeight, but Battlebots define Heavyweight up to 250 lbs.
So it has the extra weight, but I think Ray puts it into armor. The weapon might not hit harder, but perhaps the frame can better support the weapon.
Yeah no active weapon on Whoops! Just fucking lame. Good thing that Battlebots requires the bots to have active weapons instead of these ridiculous bots with just a plow in the front.
Last Rites did more damage to himself. The idea is great but the design just bad.
Last rites has tons of wins. It's an amazing design. Probably the most interesting bot to watch due to the destruction it causes.
Man, the terrible driving is painful to watch- how many times did Whoops! have to turn it's back to Last rites before Ray actually decided to stop spinning around like an idiot and actually attack?
It's not like Ray could really control it. The gyroscopic forces in Last Rites' blade are insane and can easily overcome the bot's drive system and traction.
The spinning was no accident. Ray realized that attacking the front was a waste so the spinning was an attempt to get to the wheels. It worked at 1:00.
+TeamVelocity
Well, part of it was that, but not when he was doing full 360s.
Yep- some of it was spinning to get to the wheels, some of it was just wild spinning when he was no where near the other bot, or when the bot had it's back to him but he just didn't even attempt to turn and aim...
SuicideNeil how much do you aim with a blade almost as big as your bot?(spinning horizontally not vertically) Like when you cant out manuever the other bot to any degree and youre trying to hit the wheels spinning is kind of all you have. Also whats even better is that hal hucker is abusing the use of this strategy, constantly, you saying that its bad driving is unobservant.
BAD DRIVING BBY
the spinning was an attempt to get around the wedge to hit the wheels. It worked somewhat.
What was the point of this fight? The one bot literally just destroyed itself while the other did nothing...
That's called control and counter. It's like jiu jutsu or judo, using an aggressive opponent's force against itself. The more powerful Last Rite's attack was, the more damage it was going to do to itself.
The point of this fight is that these two robots were drawn against each other and they have to win the fight to progress in the tournament. Not sure what you were fucking expecting...
LMAO.
Couldn't have said it better.
I think the problem here is one side is aggressively attack, another side is totally defense without much attacking ability. Imagine what would happen if two "Whoops" in the fight? they just push each other. I think it will be boring. Of course, I don't want to say it is not fair, but in my opinion they are not in the same class. If they are in the REAL war, that's fine. But this fight is just a game, for entertaining purpose. So I think it would be more exciting if both fighting robots have attacking ability.
Braed There is kind of a rock paper scissors thing going on. Spinners will beat flippers and grabbers, grabbers will beat control bots, control bots will beat spinners. It doesn't always happen that way, but that is a general idea of how it goes down.
that should be not legal to make no offensive bot, pushing bot are very boring and break real strategies
morgan lefevre
As if ultra destructive spinners like Last Rites have any strategy themselves besides “spin my weapon up and win.”
Nah you got to love the pushers. They're very effective counters to spinners. Ram those fancy bots into the arena edge and break their weapons, then just keep ramming them over and over until they rip themselves apart. Endurance is power.
Timmy Reobed Duck! Has a lifting beak, so now it's a lifter.
morgan lefevre Pushers have way more stratgies then spinners. All a spinner does is fire up its weapon and drive forward until it hits something. Pushers meanwhile have to use driving skill and tactics to win. They need to get around the back and sides of robots with powerful weapons and use their driving to their full potential. Way more strategy and tactics invloved. Hell most roboteers will tell you thst driving skill is the most important thing in Robot Combat and this battle proves it. Whoops had better driving, which allowed it to get out of trouble quickly and contantly slam its opponent into submission.
Spinners can have just as many tactics, especially given that l0ots of them have wedges and butt shields too. Even in this very match you can see that Last Rites isn't just driving forwards. It is driving backwards to do a 180 turn, etc.
wedge bots are stupid period
You are. Also it's a full stop, not a period.
Duck vs tombstone