People got insanely strong before barbells were even invented!
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- People got insanely strong before barbells were even invented! Barbell is a great tool but there are many ways the ancient cultures got amazingly strong with other means. Many of these methods we cover in Iron King Method.
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People got insanely strong before barbells were even invented! Barbell is a great tool but there are many ways the ancient cultures got amazingly strong with other means. Many of these methods we cover in Iron King Method.
'Deadlift' refers to how the Romans would lift their dead into carts. People have been doing it for longer than 1860
Except people were never as strong as today because steroids and modern fertilizer weren't invented yet. What's fertilizer got to do with it? Quite simply, for most of human historyist of the population was malnourished.
@@gaddiusgaddium9082that is interesting- I dont notice the term 'deadlift' in the post you are replying to.
It seems that the original post is specifically referencing the invention of the 'barbell' as a tool to develop strength as opposed to the origin of the the term 'deadlift' being coined.
But if we really want to get technical,
I am pretty sure that the Romans were not the first people to bend over and lift an object off the ground 😂
Nope humans have been doing that move every since we became erect
@@Oshianis Fair point, except before the invention of the barbell it was extremely difficult to bend over and pick up something exactly as heavy as you wanted it to be using only your hands. Most of the stuff that weighed 500 kg back in the day could not be grabbed, at best it would be some large boulder or tree trunk which would be almost impossible to grip. The barbell is an invaluable tool for strength training and I wouldn't ignore it no matter what program I'm following. Oh and a lot of the classic strongmen used tricks and lied to make their lifts more impressive, you know, as entertainers or circus acts tend to do, and the main reason they got as big as they did was genetics. They used to be called 'freaks' but since the invention of barbell sports they became athletes.
@@retardno002 while what you say is valid, I would like to point out that I never declared the barbell to be an ineffective tool in developing strength. My post had nothing to do with the effectiveness of the barbell in developing strength 💪
Dude talks about thor and strongman like they aren’t doing stone lifts, bag toss, yolks, and highland games. Like this is the one group who actually keeps those pre-barbell lifts alive
Yeah I thunk he is just saying that many people who watch these strongman focus on the more prestigious movements like deadlift, and not others (like those you mentioned)... like deadlift has replaced those others in common thought. Which is true, and probably for good reason.
I agree, it sounded like he was saying that strongmen are doing these generic lifts. But they focus on pre-barbell more than any other branch of strength sports.
Ya agreed
Yeah exactly modern strongmen are the strongest people who have lived
Yoke
Oh cool yeah don't bother mentioning what those pre barbell exercises are or anything.
Long hours, hard work at a manual job 16 hours a day since you were 9
Power clean 200lb hay bale for 1 set of 2 reps then repeat from 4 am to 2pm every day for an entire summer. Your diet is 100% milk, corn, the best eggs you have ever eaten, and pure clean meat
@@NikkeelsYeah the manual labor is accurate but you’re not going to be eating shit depending on your race and what time in America we are talking about or perhaps any continent
Build a pyramid and see your results after
@@v12demonz2bold to assume they’re talking about the US. even if he is
Yo my dude is talking about manual labor like its some lost art form.
HAHAHAHAHHA
It is though. People don't use heavy manual hammers for black smithing for instance much anymore
@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 push till your tired then do some more when you can't get power or gas operated tools on site bust out ya purse girls cause we swinging a hammer like John Henry laying track. Blacksmithing go look at concrete site swinging 10 to 15 lbs head slegdes picks spud bars all day just for prep of ya cant get a cat or skid in, that's just one trade go touch grass my guy. Work in machine shop for bit depending on what you're making you will be throwing some steel around all day.
@@FilthyAmerican i work in the trades man. I'm simply saying black smithing mining wtc is not done the same way. Yes I'm trying to get back to that
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846interesting that you have found the time to meet every blacksmith in the world
Stone lifiting which was done all over the world from Spain to Japan simulates both a deadlift, and a squat.
But you can't gradually load a stone.
@@MachoMaamRandallSandwich you can gradually lift larger stones as you get strongee.
@RampageRich A bit impractical to squat and bench press a stone. The awkwardness of its shape limits your ability to produce force. Sometimes with a barbell, grip becomes a limiting factor and one utilises straps to overcome the grip problem. This isn't possible with a stone and a lifter will be limited by the awkwardness of its shape before he has reached his strength potential, far sooner than that of a barbell.
@MachoMaamRandallSandwich I'm not saying stone lifting is as optimal for training as modern strength equipment but a numerous cultures throughout history people used stones to test feats of strengths. Stone lifting is still done in modern strong man and standalone stone lifting competions.
@@MachoMaamRandallSandwichand trust me there were men 100s of years ago that had more functional strength than anyone alive today
Before it was called “dead lift” people called it: “picking up heavy stuff off the floor”.
We have to buy his programs to understand what those are.
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Dude's whole pitch is just: "Imagine how much stronger you'd be if you pretended it was the 1800s!"
We also had ways of keeping food cool before the refrigerator. We still use the fridge because its more efficient at performing the required task.
But people back then were naturally stronger
@@abdulbari-_- please elaborate.
@@jamescollinge9082 search t8 australian aborgine, he was running 37 kph bare foot and, and irs not like he was trying, studies say today he could reach 45 kph whichh is faster the usain. Our ancestors had thicker bones and better conditioned bodies
@@jamescollinge9082They had triple the T levels of men today.
@@MarkWongMD it's a good job we've invented the barbell to help us accurately increase the load to get stronger then.
Anyone on the other side of that table?
No, welcome to the new age of manufactured content
Nopeeeee
Hahaha for real this is getting more and more popular, people faking being on a "podcast" in order to seem more important than they are... smh.
😂😂😂
HAHA I thought to myself at the end of the video: is this nigga just talking to himsel or what
Bro’s just yapping
Unsubbed from that statement personally😂
Just like you
Indians used weighted clubs? Several different cultures had weighted clubs or they lifted stones(Northern European I think).
@@trvst5938they did both. But barbells are overall better
He's the kind of guy to bring a sword to a gun fight
Yeah, sure. But there's a reason why we do the modern deadlifts now... You don't tell people with 4K TVs that they've forgotten about 144p Tube TVs
I see what you are saying. I think the average person should stick with barbell and dumbbell workouts. However, if you want TRUE strength and want to be a psychopath, you need to do irregular lifts with stones, oddly shaped objects, etc. Barbell deadlifts will make a man outta you, but they have their limitations.
Just go wrestle or something.
@@CeannadachThose irregular lifts are decent once you’ve built up a good base. The issue with them is that it’s difficult to teach good form on an irregular lift and there’s no template for progressive overload. They’re good accessory exercises, but I don’t see them replacing barbells anytime soon.
@@Ceannadachbarbell lifts will help you get strong enough to do the rest anyways. I guess if you have a job where you can go lift off objects all day then you can make it work
@@frozencloudzzfulhonestly. Everyone’s talking about ancient fitness like the primary mode of fitness wasn’t sports with wrestling being essential worldwide for military’s
Idk if he understands the strength gap between people from 200 years vs now.
Yep. Strongmen now are the strongest most powerful humans that have ever lived.
@@ChefofWar33Wonder why 😏💉
Milo was carrying around a full grown steer and least not forget the strongest of them all Samson that pulled a whole temple down.
@killacommieformommie and Paul Bunyan, John Henry, superman, etc. Don't leave out the other fictional characters, bro.
@@jonasjorgensen8759 Obviously. But they are peak.
Source: trust me bro
I mean the best those guys had was “I can’t pick up this big stone so I’ll pick up this smaller one over and over again, and then I’ll rest and come back and try the big stone” repeat until you lift the biggest stone. Of course like others have mentioned, hard labour every day also added to that strength. I still think modern gym equipment really is just the newer version of the stone, just that it’s a lot more precise.
Its also denser and not as obtuse to lift. A 50 lb rock is significantly larger than a 50 lb dumbell. Also something you can curl with one hand
*Friends, I did 14 one arm pull ups, please support me* *.*
"Other means which we forgotten", like digging, cutting wood, carrying stuff for miles, boat rowing, walking and fighting with a 10kg sword. Dont make it sound fancy. I'm hearing ancient apocalypse vibes here 😂
Ever work hard labor?
Its literally just doing all those exercises. People just had to work harder because no technology. Also just constantly doing combat training will make a person stronger
Also no forever chemicals or estrogens coming out of the plastic they didn't have yet. Studies already show kids on an organic diet grow up stronger and healthier
bro everything you just said is 100% true. filthy microplastics
Pretty much
Facts
MEAT, VEGGIES, MILK, FRUITS, AND WATER
Organic means fucking nothing anymore lol
That we have completely forgotten.
Yeah, because the barbell is the king for getting strong. This is not up for discussion.
You can load massive amounts of weight and also micro load them. You can perform a VAST array of movements with the barbell.
It is also incredibly standardised and offers all these benefits for a relatively low price on the grand scheme of things.
Thank you
Stone lifting is a thing. Also barbells made training safer and sustainable. A lot of modern invention doesnt even aim to make something better or more efficient in results, but rather make it more accessible and safe and maybe even more importantly scalable.
The strongest men of the past were farmers and tradesmen. If your job requires you to work your body hard, most if not every day, you will get strong. This still stands true today. Modern gym equipment makes it easier for everyone to get strong. It is also an easy way to compare your strength to others since the conditions are basically the same.
Strongest people was loggers.
Bingo
My family were all roofers (before pneumatic nail guns). My tiny 140lb grandfather could crush every bone in my hand with his grip. It was insane.
What about soldiers?
@@stephenhughes5156 What about them? Only the Romans were notably strong when forced to carry their own kit, which is significantly lighter than soldiers have to carry today. Medieval era knights were very thin and athletic, we know because we have many examples of their fitted armour.
Because its the most efficient and consistent way to train. Just because people rode horses 200 years ago, it doesnt mean driving cars didnt far more effective.
Actually they used to do heavy work on regular basis with intervals.
This was same like mike mentzers technique.
Proper weight with more reps.
Plowing or digging earth for many days.
Loading and unloading logs.
Cutting trees with ridiculous axe.
Safety of family and self with the same axe sword or stick. Everytime fear of wild animals or wild people or any attack or war or something like that. Sleeping with a weapon near them or carrying a weapon in every travel.
Handling animals and picking their dirt whole day.
Their whole day was full of workouts.
And they used to eat huge amount of meat but no sugar.
Yes, its almost like strongmen should start considering exercises like stone lifts, log press, loaded carrying and pulling heavy objects like trucks and aeroplanes 🤡
How about we gather a bunch of strongmen and test them in all of these exercises to see who the strongest man is without purely looking at barbell lifts? I think i discovered a new sport here guys🧐
Stone lifting was a common test of strength in the old days
I read a long time ago and can’t remember where, probably a bodybuilding magazine, that back in the 19th century, some US cavalry soldiers had a strength contest with Native American men. I don’t think they had barbells (maybe they lifted sacks of grain or flour), but compared pure lifting strength between themselves and the native men were capable of deadlifting several hundred pounds and well more than the cavalry soldiers. They were that strong, no training, no equipment.
people were smaller and weaker in the past, better nutrition and equipment has lead to constant new records, is there even one world record from the time period he is talking about? we can learn lessons from the past but lets not pretend they we're doing things "better" than we are today
OLD THING GOOD
MODERN THING BAD
Good luck with that ideology if you need antibiotics or surgery, lmao.
Or a car, or clothing or any kind of medicine, or some electricity or heat or housing or....
Dont change the narrative with facts dude. He’s trying to make livin over here. 😂😂
@@Fran-or3lt never let facts or common sense get in the way of a good TikTok I guess
They were indeed doing better than today . People are lifting more today not without " aid " and in bargain loosing their life .The fitness influencers dying in their young age is so common now.None of the lifting records today is without the aid of needle 💉
I was a meathead stuck on the barbell for close to 15 years and regret it. Loss of mobility, body beat to shit, middling cardiovascular capacity and the lifts themselves (With some exceptions) have low carryover into everyday function. Bodybuilding, powerlifting and strongman have grown miles since the days of greats like Louis Simmons in terms of training for the long run but overall I can’t said I’d repeat my choices where barbell is “king”.
Now comes the heresy, the pitchfork and torches moment where I say I would’ve stuck to things like calisthenics and rock climbing instead. Let’s be honest before the stoning though, most guys in the gym want to lift heavy shit but primarily look and feel good for the opposite sex and we don’t think calisthenics can do that? Look at Olympic gymnasts alone and that’ll prove the point.
“Yee bruh, I just squatted 600lbs!” Yeah well your back hurts so bad it’s tough reaching down to put on shoes and you don’t want to run because you’re saving your energy for a bench session tomorrow. Meanwhile, the guy who can do 20 pull ups, 40 weighted dips and can run 2 miles without breaking a sweat looks far more jacked and agile than you. Plus his nervous system isn’t fried half the time which frees up more energy for the day.
Really the only detraction from calisthenics is (Insert “gaaaay!” yelling gif) progress is gauged by reps which is fine but it’s not nearly as testosterone infusing as hearing all your 45s jingling like a it’s barbell Christmas. That being said, I’ll take the body weight shit any day.
Yeh you just did it wrong lol.
@@stephenhughes5156 Dave Tate and Jim Wendler did it right their entire careers and wound up with hip, knee and back issues including replacements or the inability to even do a simple vertical jump without injury. They were professionals with mint technique yet still wound up broken. Joe Defranco has issues, Ronnie Coleman, it’s not worth it.
@@sulla1537 Well I'm not sure I would say they did it right their entire careers. I mean, Wendler's whole point of creating 531 is because he didn't like what Westside was doing to his body. Pretty sure Wenning has remained completely injury free though. In any case, these extreme examples you give in no way prove that barbells are bad for you- it just shows that you probably cant expect to put 800lbs or whatever on your back for years and years and expect to be fine. But most of us don't have to worry about lifting that much lol.
@@stephenhughes5156 Wendler developed 5/3/1 because it was an efficient system and he still incorporated high rep, RTF methods himself. Wendler didn’t remain injury free, the example of not being able to tie his shoes came directly from his testimony and he’s drastically reduced his intensity of the years. Defranco’s the middle ground I’ve thrown in there since despite being a meathead initially and with great insight into better rounded version of lifting, he’s still experienced and experience a variety of injuries (His shoulder being the newest, persistent barrier). Add to that my own anecdotal testimonies of family and friends who enjoyed high resistances training for years yet the injuries continue to climb. 800 or 400lbs, a barbell across your back and pressing causes damage regardless.
It’s just not worth it for bragging rights when there’s plenty of better, healthier options to achieve aesthetics while maintaining mobility and overall joint health.
Different goals. No one way is superior.
I find your discussions very interesting, and i really enjoy thinking of new and old concepts. Thank you
“People nowadays drive cars. But they were invented in XVIII century, and people got around before that. There are means of transportation that are forgotten”
Pick up a 100 pound sack of flour and carry it to the cart in the street up the stairs
The more modern version of the Barbell has massive advantages for strength development - it is a lot easier gradually increase the load on the Barbell, which means it is way easier to apply the principles of progression and overload. In practice, it makes strength training a lot more accessible to just about everyone. Practical and efficient.
He's forgetting that the main source of exercise for men back in the day was manual labour which is and 8-12 hour every day work out...
Croton lifted bulls as an everyday workout routine
People were stronger because back then people actually had to WORK for a living. Nowadays most people sit behind a desk
Nothing wrong with working behind a desk as long as you balance your work/life relationship and exercise regularly
@@andygarcia7784that wasn't the point tho
some people sit behind a desk to make the job easier for people who doesn't, sometimes. Think about mech engineers who design tools
btw as a blue ocllar I've seen a few engineers using a standing desk
Looks like Mark Rippetoe's crew has entered the chat😂
The strongest people on earth who don’t get their strength from the gym are iron workers, and its been like that for over a hundred years.
My father was one, and the stories he’d tell me makes it pretty clear they’re some of the craziest, strongest men on earth.
I’m 6ft 230, and my bench is on par with many NFL players.
Thing is, you don’t realize just how weak you really are until you shake hands with an iron worker.
Some of them are huge, one of my father’s best friends was actually a body builder back in the 80s, but even the small guys are insanely strong.
Most people don’t realize size doesn’t always coincide with strength, and I know all too well after my father’s old friends (who were half my size) almost broke my hand, with a smile and everything.
Hardest men you’ll ever meet, and some are crazier than a sh•thouse mouse.
so the people in your profession are the strongest and most bad ass. what a coincidence.
@@bobadler3097
Nobody said that Bob.
Passive aggressive jealousy will get you nowhere.
The 2 strongest people i ever met never worked on one worked construction swinging a sledge hammer and a farmer
There’s only so many compound movement patterns a person can do. We’ve been able to do pretty much all of them forever
One thing is that people who were “strong as a bull” are compared to how strong people were back then, being the only man to lift 10kg in a world where everyone can only lift 1kg makes you “strong as a bull” there but not somewhere where people can lift 100kg easily
People weren't doing office work back then, they used to work on a construction site 12hrs a day
Working the field your entire life makes you really strong.
Tell me you're weak without saying you're weak.
Dude looks like he could use some barbell training
What’s so strange to me is there we’re not people as strong as these guys are now. It’s almost like we optimized lifting weights and made the most effective ways to do it. We don’t need new products or some “profound” or “old” way to do things. Sure there’s other ways to get strong, but this is by far the best way. It wouldn’t have replaced most other forms of strength training if it wasn’t.
You don't hear much about the history of bodybuilding like this. Cool video
Bro has a degree in yapology
The log weight has been around for even longer, before the barbell people were pressing and lifting logs with railroad ties for handles
Doing physical work generally made you strong.
Important to distinguish between movement patterns and equipment-specific movements that incorporate these movement patterns
For e.g., while the barbell squat may be a relatively recent invention, squatting with a weight of some kind on you has been around for a whild
Yeah this guy is going to teach us something.
People did really hard manual labour and that made all the difference
I was a granite marble Mason for 18 years, lifting rock every day will give you some strength.
I went to high school with dudes that were strong as hell and never did anything let alone lift weights
Am I only noticing Thor scraping his shins like an animal to lift that Barbell, Damn.
People always have different way of measuring performance, but something like the axle clean and press, has to be one of the most accurate measures of strength... from grip to deadlift to squat to press
Walking long distances while carrying heavy objects, no processed food, more quality rest, mating with a lot of women. I think that was the key
Mating with women?Can you explain that please?
@@akg1301It means that many girls would be your mates(friends),playing golf,going to beach and listening music
They were probably lifting pianos
"people used horse and carriage WAYYY before cars...I think we have forgotten about those other means"
The speaker just figured out for the first time in his life that people actually had to do labor in the past. They couldnt just work as a starbucks barista like him and never move a muscle
My ancestors were deadlifting big rocks out of their farm fields (and then using them to build stone fences).
They were lifting rocks, stones, logs in the old days.
As if Hafthor doesn't also have the husafel stone world record which is a ancient feat of strength lmao
Ten reps per day Isshinryu Karate basics, and 1 hour Cardio Kickboxing on a heavy water bag per day.
Iron Sheik (and if anyone saw him in the 70’s you’d understand why I use him as an example) did a bunch of barbell exercises I’ve never seen before. And he was literally from Persia…probably some of that lost stuff
It was kettle bell like, but the amount of grip strength required looked nuts because barbels are so relatively unstable. Anyway, it looked like it would build solid strength across as many conceivable angles as possible. Something modern training doesn’t do so well.
Gladiators apparently did train with early forms of dumbbells.
Hercules picked up the Earth one time.
He wears wooden beads so you know he goes to yoga class every now and then
The Indian Gadda is an clear example of this
Time to go lift hay bales, big boulders, and trees.
Look at the trainers of the Roman Empire’s gladiator trainers. They mentioned the deadlift or some other variant of it. It is a very old exercise.
It’s why I promote the old ways on my channel
Clubs, rings, kettle bells
Barbells make programming progressive overload much easier and more repeatable and controlled. Which is why strongmen use them to build strength that they can use to perform other, more lifelike lifts.
We progressed by like 500lbs in deadlift world records in the last 50 years, sure people back then were strong, but it is not even close to the same level.
They did the same movements more or less but probably in a more functional way, like picking up sand bags from the floors or rocks
Weight lifting is consistent. You get real strong while lifting uneven weights.
Calisthenics applied through manual labor and physical combat. Anyone want to start a food fight?? Ill bring watermelons for endurance 😂
Chop wood, carry water, pick up heavy rocks. The old ways.
Lmao this dude is preaching to the choir
This is one of the most inane points I have ever heard. People have been picking up and putting down heavy things since we evolved to walk on hind legs.
Grappling grappling and more grappling. Every culture on earth has a grappling style and when you are looking at Greek sculptures and wondering how they got so jacked it was grappling. Daily manual labouring also. Orwell wrote an entire book about how jacked Miners were. I’ve been around Highland Games competitors, weightlifters, powerlifters and bodybuilders for most of my adult life. I’ve watched a guy bend a horseshoe right in front of me and seen many feats of strength but sheer animal strength and a realisation this person could tear me apart is something I’ve only encountered in Judokas and Samboists.
Deadlifts are incredibly accessible and safe.
If you look at bodies even just 100 years ago, they weren’t impressive at all compared to today’s standards. This reminds me of when people think the way people used to eat was better, then realizing people used to die in their 30s or 40s.
I too toss sheep to get buff. I have a variety of sheep at consecutively larger sizes to make sure I get good variation in my workout.
This guy wants the look how smart i am award for the day .
If bullshido could be applied to lifting, this is what it would look/sound like.
It’s not so much forgotten as it is just phased out in most modern societies. People used to have to hunt, fish, gather, chop their own firewood, build and repair their own homes, farm, fetch your own water. I mean, all of that adds up.
Have you tried Hollywood style Kettlebells!
What are examples of what they did? How do we measure the strength of these people back then?
This is why I don’t drive, I walk like people back in the day cuz people went places for a long time before cars were invented
Dig wet dirt all day, lift wall frames by hand, cut and lay stone, etc. Then increase productivity day in and out for a few years and the physique will be epic.
Back in the day before car jacks, people were the car jacks. Except for Jacques, the Frenchman. He used a lever, strangely enough. So Jacques was not jacked like the other jacks. And people would just stand around looking at this frenchman do his thing, completing my obviously weak-ass joke with something something jack-stands.
In Peterman's world, everyone is an idelogue except him.
I’m not against any modality of fitness and strength that keeps people strong and healthy. People like different things.
I’ve been interested in and participated in several modalities.
I agree with this man that people had ways to get strong before.
But let’s face it, barbells are efficient and superior. If people would have invented them much earlier that would have been the modality that people chose for fast and efficient strength.
It is the gold standard for strength training among all high level and professional sports.
I guess, but modern excercises and weights are just plainly more effective. Thats why its forgotten
Apple needs new screen effects. These have been around for awhile, and are a good start, but it's time for new additional effects.
Thor is a bad example because he literally said on camera once that they lifted big rocks as kids xD
Before cars people used to get around in methods we have completely forgotten. Which means those old ways of travel must have been better!
Yes people also drove horses and buggies, didn't have AC, didn't knew nothing about resistance training.
Stick with barbells guys
This guy should use google and actually research how long the deadlift has been around for